The Shadow - Caravan of Garbage
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2023
- Before the genesis of Batman there was The Shadow. But after the movie Batman 1989 there was The Shadow 1994. Aiming to capatalise on a comic book trend kicked off by Warner Brothers and Tim Burton it sees Alec Baldwin, a contender for the role of Bruce Wayne, manifesting the ghostly presence of Lamont Cranston. By day, good time millionaire playboy. By night, a guy with a hat and a bandana and a prosthetic nose with vague mystical powers which he uses to fight crime. Anyways it bombed. Thanks for watching our Caravan Of Garbage review!
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Showing a picture of Steve Ditko while giving credit to Bill Finger is like a beautiful tapestry of a joke from the editors.
What’s the joke behind that?
'Nuff said.
@@NeyebureturnsSteve Ditko was responsible for creating so many marvel characters and creating the iconic art for them but often Stan Lee gets all the credit since he was Editor in Chief at marvel. He was the big ideas man and then Ditko would flesh it all out and make it work
@@NateArchibaldWithTheFroAnd the second half of the joke is that Bill Finger got screwed out of credit for essentially inventing everything about Batman that people recognize while Bob Kane got credit as the sole creator for many many decades.
@@TheKyleMarkYes thank you
“Here’s the thing” is by far my favourite running gag from caravan of garbage
Was gonna comment the same thing. The Same Thing.
So, to everyone else, Here's the Here's The Thing thing.
Benjamin J. Grimm, as his watch alarm goes off: Goodness gracious me, would you look at the time?
@@Mitsuragait’s clobberin’ time
My boss introduces way too many sentences with those words
Can Big Sandwich just be James arguing with the cranky knife?
I assumed it has been this whole time
I will need my $9 back if that happens.
@@Jllyrol311 I'll pay an extra $9 if it happens.
No
Shame that he already left
"I'm just here to stab and shatter dreams"
Oh Cranky Knife. Always with the iconic lines delivered in perfect crankiness.
“Oh that knife”
sometimes they’ll have a bit that just goes really off the rails, and James arguing with The Cranky Knife is one of the best
"What evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows." I remember hearing the radio series on cassette tapes found the character voice fascinating.
Yes
I bought one of those cassettes a few years ago at a yard sale. Great series
Where you born in 1879?
And it was probably Orson Welles doing the voice, too!
I adore those old radio shows, pulp heroes are great. There are a ton of them on internet archive, and even RUclips. The sci fi stuff from that Era is a lot of fun too
I love the segments with James and the knife. Brave of Maso to introduce James to his own future replacement.
I kept expecting one of them to say "oh that knife"
Yeah fr really pulled the rug out on that one. Also like yeah James used to be a teacher bruh must’ve been like 6 years ago by now he’s still like “this is my job now I guess” 😩😅😅
i wouldnt mind if the knife was a frequently reoccurring guest 😅
When i was a kid, I made a comic strip based off this movie called "The Shadow's Nose" starring the prosthetic nose in a cape. "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow's Nose!"
I really enjoyed watching Alec Baldwin semi-struggle to explain how The Shadow works in interviews.
Alec: "He can cloud men's minds" (please don't ask any follow up)
Conan: "So what does that mean exactly?!" (damnit!)
I love Maso’s pseudo history of 1930’s radio drama history. Can we get a full video of this?
One of my favorite jokes in film is in this movie. As a man is falling from Empire State Building, Cranston says "it's all falling into place." And I laugh like a maniac every time.
Only one that tops it for me is in the Lego Batman. When Robin tells Bruce "My name is Richard but, everyone calls me Dick." And Bruce replies, "Well kids can be cruel."
Everyone laughed in the cinema when i saw it lol
14:30 this is why I like this channel. Mason starts a bit that sounds like it’s a nostalgia critic skit but instead James just starts talking like he is a 50yo ex-office worker at a bar
As someone younger than 30, it's great to see the guy from The Boss Baby delivering lines with the exact same cadence as he does in 30 Rock.
And handling firearms for an entire film production without killing anybody.
"The weed of crime bears bitter fruit" was a line I'd say all the time as a kid.
"Hey, that's catchy"
Another great video! I saw The Shadow in the theater with my dad and little did I know that years later I would be a writer on the Teen Wolf tv series that Russell Mulcahy directed. He's a great guy and filled with stories about The Shadow and directing music videos in the 80s. Keep up the great work!
Fun piece of “Triva-dow” the Cranky Knife prop was also in the Eddie Murphey movie “The Golden Child.” So I think the boys need to do a Caravan of Garbage for that movie, so the Cranky knife can come back for another episode.
So, full disclosure: I did my Masters thesis on The Shadow. When you're talking about his identity as the warlord Ying Ko who needs to be redeemed, that comes almost directly from the 1986 Shadow comic "Blood and Judgement" from DC comics and Howard Chaykin. It's an excellent story, and if you're a fan of the character, I recommend it!
I hope you didn't spell it that way in your thesis
Congrats on the master's degree, that shits impressive as
@@KayleighBourquin Probably. My spelling is atrocious. Luckily, I had a good proof reader! ;)
@@ricconway8719 Nothing more valuable than a good proofreader
I'm sad we were robbed of Margo's response to "I pulled all the skin off my face and there was another face underneath" because she legit says "you have problems" 😂 I love this stupid movie so much
The cranky knife is in its grub era
Missed opportunity not to include Zorro to the Quintology of Films of Heroes Wearing a Neat Hat With an Iconic Silhouette…and also Billy Zane’s The Phantom
Someone's gotta wear a hat in The Phantom. I was thinking the link might be a guy shooting two 45's akimbo style. Definitely in Phantom and Shadow. Probably in Grampa Tracy. Dont know about the Rocketeer.
The Phantom, for sure. Spandex grape hero to the rescue. He can fly but only by plane.
@@TheJesselopez1981 What is a neat helmet if not a neat hat, the Rocketeer has a very neat hat
@@NoahRJitil yeah, but does someone shoot two pistols at the same time?
I like how the common thread of all of these characters is that they are pulp heros from time of the golden age of comics and yet James and Maso have not yet figured how to explain that 2 videos into this series.
I loved this movie when I was a kid. I think it's the perfect balance of pulp and camp. The bit where he dreams about tearing his own face off and tells Margo about it is great.
I loved this growing up as well. I still quite often say “Oh that knife…” when someone gives me a knife.
Agreed!!! I absolutely LOVED this movie when I was a kid. And I thought Baldwin's chest hair was awesome and hoped I'd get as much hair as he had! (Got close, not quite. XD )
Same, I was all about it as a kid. Had the shadow toy with the quick draw action, and it helped form my love of pulp heroes and old radio shows in general later in life.
Cast, score, cinematic was great.
Only the story was a little bit to weird
Like watching a second movie of a trilogy without them ever existing
The slight campiness saves the movie -- it's really so dark that if Baldwin tried to play it straight all the time, it would have been unwatchable. If you've read the comics, you know the Shadow is cold and stern, even in his civilian personas. In a movie, your protagonist has to be relatable and likable to form an emotional connection with the audience so they will root for him.
The editing in these videos and comedian delivery are the reasons I come back every week. Such fun reviews of media, thank you everyone coming together to create such fun videos.
They're so great
Used to love the shadow, the phantom and the rocketeer as a kid. You guys are hitting a nostalgia bone i havent felt in a while.
Dick Tracy was my favorite followed by the rocketeer, the shadow, The Phantom. I actually watched Dick Tracy and the Shadow not long ago and boy that’s some nostalgia. I’ll ask you this, do you remember Meteor Man? It was awesome but I haven’t watched it in probably 30 years
@@solidsnake3962Either you watch Brandon Tenold as well or you just have the most well timed memory around when he released his video on it lol
@@bag-manbaron2547 lol just looked him up and no haven’t watched him but that’s crazy. I’ll have to watch that video.
Jerry Goldsmith was an absolute master when it comes to film composers but one thing that’s often overlooked is his brilliant use of diegetic music, specifically in this movie his inclusion of period accurate Swing, Jazz, and classical pieces, such as George Gershwin’s I Got Rhythm, Rhapsody in Blue, as well as Pierre Boulez’s Spring Harvest Festival.
It was probably because of this that apparently the director at one point jokingly referred his score as “Blue Harvest” which was also coincidentally the working title for the 1977 film Star Wars.
I was freaking obsessed with this movie when it came out!
I played my cassette tape of the score until it warbled and groaned from overplaying it and I would doodle that logo of his eyes and nose on every school book I had.
Between this and Batman Forever, I was in awkward preteen heaven.
This was a childhood classic for me. Honestly, the powers seem consistent to me since they only work if there is someone else around to mesmerize. If he's by himself then he's just a regular dude. He is telepathic though so that can get out of some jams
I'm alright with the Shadow's abilities in every version I have watched/read/seen. The part that is funny to me is comparing the versions to each other and wondering how they decided "Let's make a few 30s/40s movies where his only power is moxie and his day job switches every two films" and also "This guy can use ventriloquism on a macaw one day and sift through someone's memories the next". I love all the versions (except for some of the more unsettling comics) but it would never have occurred to me to try so many things.
I think my favorite Tim Curry moment is when he plays the super-energetic butler in Clue. So perfect! Haha! Run here, now let's go over there, and back here for two seconds!
i used to listen to the original The Shadow radio plays all the time with my mom driving home at night from school. a local AM station played the entire run of The Shadow in order on repeat for one of their time slots, so it was play the same way it originally aired. Its actually really good! Its kind of designed to be listened to while driving somewhere. I couldn't believe they made a movie from the radio show and i was so excited to watch it. obviously the movie was a surreal acid trip, but i still liked it. The dagger coming alive and running around was a mind blowing special effect to me at the time
Fun fact, Walter B Gibson was also a magician. A really talented inventor of illusion.
And he published in his lifetime a guide to Houdini's escape 'secrets' too (I have a copy). So he fed this knowledge into the Shadow's abilities in his stories.
I think the unifying element is that James thought they were all based on 30s pulp heroes when he came up with this list. Whether they are actually based on 30s pulp heroes or not is irrelevant. What matters is that he thought they were at that particular time.
As a kid, I loved The Shadow. It made me crave to see a Batman movie based within the 1930s era with all the retro futuristic gadgets and aesthetics.
I unironically, unashamedly, unabashedly & unapologetically *love* all things _'The Shadow'_ (incl. this awesome movie… Yes, "awesome"… That’s right, I said it)! 🖤
It is a great thing to watch, one of the better big-screen re-imaginings of a story that originated in an episodic format.
I fucking love this movie to death. Just rewatched it this past weekend and even though there are some clunky moments here and there, it's still a fucking trip.
The ending fight is awesome, if a bit strained in the effects department. It's just so cool and I don't give a shit. lmao
This is one of my favorite movies as a teen. It's unapologetic pulp. As for vague mystical powers, he's basically a strong telepath.
The obscure clips of other media that your editors throw in and fit perfectly with what you’re saying is what makes me love this series so much
Best line of the movie was "You Sir, are a barbarian"
ah you mention it
My favorite is when Khan asks Lamont where he gets his suits.
"Is that... midtown?"
Guy knows his shit even though he's been in Mongolia for forever and kept himself in a sarcophagus absorbing Genghis Khan's murderous intent for God knows how long. lmao
The best line is in the cab when the shadow recruits the scientist and he ask "can I ask my wife?" "NO!!!!"
17:23 to 17:30 is perfect. "He's a root rat", Baby James, and the talking knife all in a span of 8 seconds.
I loved this movie. "Who knows what lies in the hearts of men? The shadow knows......THE SHADOW KNOWS!!!!"
I actually saw a replica of that knife when I was younger, at a local gun-shop in my Queensland hometown - the owner, who was a long-term acquaintance of my family took it out of the display case & let me hold it one time- it was so detailed, & so heavy... good times!
It's a real shame you guys didn't talk about how The Shadow on the radio was famously voiced by *Orson Welles* - or in the edit use any images of him in the radio studio from that era.
Orson Welles was inexplicably linked to The Shadow in the minds of the radio listening public. He's a hugely important part of the character's history, and omitting him - even as a picture in the video edit - would have been bizarre to The Shadow's audience.
They were going to bring it up but decided not to
What audience?
Do you mean inextricably or am I dumb
Even with its flaws I'll still love This movie
Same here.
📠
I think about this movie often despite not watching it since the 90s. The weird flooding dome set piece, the smoking billboard, the invisible skyscraper in the middle of the city and *that* knife.
Re: The Shadow Game being cancelled:
No apparently distribution of a game was so costly, it often was deemed better just to jettison almost or fully finished games rather than commit a clunker to cartridge.
This happened to Police Academy: The Animated Series for NES, and they actually printed ads for the thing. I saw them. I grew up wondering how that game was.
The theme for these videos is: Pulp Justice, and Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow should be included too
Yeah
Everything with the knife almost killed me. Great work everyone.
I absolutely LOVE the Shadow, every cod bit of nonsense delivered with total straight-faced Capital-A Acting! Can Cranky Knife be a regular recurring co-host please?
Man this movie is a huge throw back to my childhood and I'd call it a guilty pleasure.
Petition to make the cranky knife the new running bit like Rodney supercut and Blue Harvest.
The image of Bill Finger @1:51 is actually a picture of Steve Ditko.
It is! I thought i was going crazy for a second
Never not going to laught at "here's the thing" joke. Thank you editors!
At a pace of one novel every two weeks, it’s a miracle ANY Shadow story is worth reading 🤣
Actually it was Rogue Na- oh.
Almost had you.
@@TheJesselopez1981 They bloody got me again.
Here’s the thing…..that legitimately made me laugh out loud at work.
Two suggestions for blanket terms:
'Movies made to be nostalgic/pretend that pulp comics from the 1930s were good (they weren't)'
OR
'Third party comic book movies (that show up in online lists and quizzes but are otherwise literally never spoken of)'
Any movie with tim curry is an automatic masterpeice
Even in small roles he kills it, shout out Nigel St. Nigel
_”Stop EATING my Sesame CAKE!”_
No he tends to turn garbage movies into watchable movies, with him being the best part of them all lol
A great comic crossover of most of these pulp heroes is called Masks by Dynamite Comics. It’s a great period piece crossover of The Shadow, Zorro, Green Hornet and others from the 30s era and it has a great modern sensibility about it while being full of deep DEEP cut pulp heroes and lore . Even so far removed from their debut many of these characters could still work in film to this day if tackled right.
It's not really comic book movie, it's a comic strip movie. That's the connection.
omg THAT'S it! .... except for the Rocketeer. But still!
I loved all these movies growing up (Dick Tracy, The Shadow, The Rocketeer and The Phantom). I really enjoy pulp media of that era. I just don't know why we haven't had a truly amazing movie based on any of those properties. These movies definitely don't hold up, but they're nostalgic treasure to me.
The conversation between James and the Cranky Knife is the best thing I’ve seen ever.
This is un-ironically, one of my favorite superhero films all time, and I would love a darker reboot of the series… the character just has so much potential
Alec Baldwin is genuinely the root of my fear that my head will literally never stop growing
Paul Rudd also. I have the same fear. Not about your head. About mine.
@@angbaldit's fine you can also worry about my head
I really hope their Green Hornet video sees the return of Green Trivia and also that guy that yells Rodney
God I love the editor for this, “so heres the thing” and then it just a picture of the thing, caught me so off guard
16:56 "The villain in this claims he's Ghengis Khan's last living ancestor." Bold claim for a villain, and also quite impossible.
Cranky Knife returns, so all is right with the World.
It's the cinematic universe of VHSs your nan bought you for Christmas instead of Batmam
The actor who played Kahn in this movie... Just amazing. He was absolutely the best part of the movie.
The actor is John Lo who was in The Last Emperor
My gosh these videos are an absolute delight. Keep up the great work guys
The Rocketeer is definitely the best of this bunch
I think the link is the producer(s) being like, ‘I loved this character as a kid, kids these days are gonna love it too, this will be the best thing ever. Also, it’s great because characters, lore, and most popular arcs are already established. Nothing needs changed… but this is my take on it’
Proto-Superhero, that's what I've heard this called
I love this movie so much I have the bally Williams pinball machine 😂
I was thinking, they talk about an unreleased SNES game, but not the Williams pinball?!? Come on guys :D
YA KNOW, at the end of all this, this podcast should cover the show Defenders of The Earth
I think "they tried to duplicate the success of another successful throwback movie" is probably the most succinct connective tissue these movies have.
Who wrote the "living manifestation of destiny" line? Is there an explanation for that line somewhere on this earth?
I think they told Alec Baldwin to improvise and he just started describing Tom Cruise. Pretty sure they had Ving Rhames do the same thing later on in that movie.
Movie is a masterpiece
James arguing with a cranky knife is something I never knew I wanted but I now need more of.
cant believe the line the shadow says after falling on top of a bad guy to crush him to death "next time you can be on top" was not talked about at all.
Tim curry literally played oil in ferngully lol. So second oiliest?
Definitely his oiliest role.
I remember this movie and the phantom being made because Hollywood thought they’d be the next Batman. They failed to realize Batman was continuously pop culturally relevant because he was reinvented with the times while maintaining his original tropes.
Maso: I've got this haunted knife to help you.
James: Oh, that knife.
The connective thread for pulp is 'a rich guy who seems boring but is actually very cool and young and attractive'
Wears his mask like a boomer during the pandemic
Brutal 😆
I cannot tell you how happy I was when Maso said that the Shadow can effect NBs too. 😂
I'm so glad you guys did a video on this movie! One of my favorite things in it (which you didn't mention, but guessing you don't speak Mandarin, so wouldn't necessarily notice - but I was a Mandarin major in my undergrad and lived in China for many years), is when they're at the Chinese restaurant and Alec Baldwin orders food. It's incomprehensible, at least in Mandarin - it's not like he was just trying to read pinyin (the Latin alphabet pronunciation for Mandarin Chinese characters) like it was just English, he was trying something. Then Margo Lane goes "Oh, I didn't know you speak Chinese!" and Cranston goes "Only Mandarin." When I lived in China, I watched the movie with some Chinese friends and paused it right after his order and asked if they could understand what he said (before he said "only Mandarin"; also rewound it a few times to play it again). They were just laughing and had no clue, they thought he was speaking MAYBE Cantonese or another Chinese language they weren't familiar with - then kept playing and everyone was dying laughing when he said it was "Mandarin". Nobody had any clue how he could come to those sounds from what he was trying to do, but guessed that they probably had someone who might have been a Cantonese speaker with no knowledge of Mandarin (such as someone from Hong Kong who never studied Mandarin) trying to guide him in how to pronounce Mandarin pinyin. Probably not as funny for you, but still hysterical for me. Anyway, thanks for doing this video! Brought back a lot of happy memories from across my life :)
I think I know the connection to these films. It’s their connection to the color blue.
1) in an early draft of The Green Hornet, the idea was to center the film on the grandson and granddaughter of The Green Hornet and Kati respectively, leading to the titular character dawning The Blue Hornet name in order to pay homage to what’s come before and carve out their own path.
2) In The Phantom, Billy Zane was attempting to slim down after his time filming Titanic. His workout consisted of heavy weight lifting and intense water aerobics in frigid temperatures. His time spent submerged would eventually lead to Zane developing a cold that progressed into pneumonia and turned his skin and lips a light blue. This caused production to be put on hold in order to allow time for healing.
3) In The Shadow, director Russell Mulcahy, wanted the shadows to be hand drawn with 2D animation, and to be drawn in a dark blue shade. The studio stepped in and mandated that the shadows be done in black without the animation.
4) The Rocketeer was originally supposed to have a blue flame from the jet pack to signify how powerful the rockets would be. Upon getting the character in front of the blue sky, it became too difficult to see the size of the flame, so a traditional orange flame was used in it’s place.
5) Finally, Dick Tracy. Originally, the studio wanted Deborah Ann Gibson to play the role given to Madonna. Gibson was known at the time for her song Out Of The Blue from 1987
These seemingly unrelated and coincidental connections would lead to all five of the films to be given the working Blue Harvest.
@5:26 You haven’t been talkin to cops have you, mate.
-The Shadow
5:49 I love the 30 sec summary for The Shadow
Walter Gibson is my great uncle. I have alot of his drafts, later books he wrote in his life, a draft of his biography from the gentleman who wrote it... I could go on
He was family friends with Harry Houdini and the Blackstones. And he was one of a few court reporters in the room during President Lincoln's assassinator trial, A.k.A John Wilkes Booth's trial
The writing 325 Shadow stories and Gibson writing 282 of them made me think of Hamilton literally a second before the clip came in. You geniuses
Hey guys, while researching the origins of the fallout games, I stumbled across a wikipedia page titled Cyberpunk Derivatives, where it lists below that things like 'The Rocketeer', "Dick Tracy' and 'The Shadow' fall under the sub genre known as Deco-Punk. Not sure how much this tracks but found it interesting to note.
14:12 The oiliest man he’s ever played…. Except from that time he literally played as oil in Fern Gully.
I can’t wait for the team-up between Cranky Knife and Corn of Cobblin. They’ll be undefeatable.
Cranky knife edits was the MVP of the whole video. Top editing again lads!
Also kinda bummed mask of Zorro isn't on the list because that's genuinely great and I'd love to hear you guys talk about it because I know James has referred to it fondly in the past
OMG James having a sudden argument with the Cranky Knife got me so bad lmaooo
Fun bit of trivia for the phantom, as of 2023 Frew has published over 1950 Phantom comics since 1948 and they recently celebrated their 75th year of continuous publishing.
I agree that the tone of The Shadow needed to be more consistent, or just have some connecting points. It went from dark/pulpy to almost cartoonish/goofy to then kind of hopscotched between the two tones.
I’ve been digging this particular series - thanks guys! Loved the Phantom AND the Shadow movies as a kid - still part of my regular repertoire of movie quotes. Maybe another connection is sci-fi/adventure stories that started as audio radio serials and 90s Hollywood production allowed them to reimagine them on the screen
editing here is absolutely incredible - i mean it always is, but this is high water mark! nice work ben and larry