I was totally on board with this project until you busted out the pantorouter, then I was like "oh hell no" and then a link pops up "click here for a more common method" and I was right back on board again and was like "oh hells yes". Great work, this is the best cyclone vid out there.
Based on your video, I built the same device. Works great. I am very happy with it. I do not remember when I had to change the bag in the vacuum cleaner. Thanks !
Very useful, as i'm contemplating something similar, but probably scaled up some. One of these next to each machine would allow a central vacuum to be connected, but with the debris collected local to the machine, instead of being transported back to a central location.
Excellent video with cool and fitting background music. My greatest compliments to a ingenering gifted young man. Thank you for sharing your skills. Now I found the right cyclone dust collector/ Antonio,Thailand.
This is impressive. I have been working on a Thien baffle extractor today, just a rough one, my first. I have an idea which I think might make these extractors more efficient in terms of suction loss. It'll be a bit more difficult to build but I'll have a go and make a video
Thanks for your video, I have made one based on your design using some large mains water pipe and it works great. I have tested mine and it is about 99.8% efficience which I am really pleased with.
For the efficiency, just put the once filtered saw shavings through the seperator a second time, weigh before and after the second run through. Great work btw, excellent standard all round.
Nice work! To improve even further on the efficiency of the cyclone, could you increase the difference in height between the inlet-pipe and the notch in the outlet-pipe? You have built more of these obviously, what have you learned to improve your design even more?
If Carlsberg made cyclones they could not beat that, brilliant Sehr Schone, Having that thickness of plexi is great Ill have to have a go, very instructive video I congratulate you
very well done. I appreciate you method for the efficiency testing. Have seen a bunch that claim 99% efficient but there methods were usually just guesses.
Witam. Jaki jest wymiar wewnętrznego dysku? Może mi pan powiedzieć również, jaka głęboka jest długość rury centralnej, pod pleksi i ile jest również długość części pociętego na centralnej rurze? Dzięki za odpowiedź. Pozdrawiam z Polski
Wow. That is cool the way you put the baffle on the end of the pipe. Mine is ever so ugly, compared to this. I do however have as close to 100% as I can measure, just like yours. I am of he belief that the top needs to be pure cylindrical, and not a bucket (slightly conical).
Grundsätzlich kann ein Zyklonabscheider zwar sehr gut Späne und gröbere Teile aufsaugen, aber was ist mit dem viel unangenehmeren Fein- und Feinststaub?? Für mich muss ein wirklich guter Sauger auch damit fertig werden, ohne zu verstopfen! Die vielen Beispiele von Absaugeinrichtungen haben mich bisher alle nicht überzeugt. Ein wirklicher Test bestünde darin, mal 2-3 Tüten MEHL aufzusaugen und dann den Verstopfungsgrad zu untersuchen.
That was probably the best one I've seen yet. I just wish there was a way to do this inside of the vacuum cleaner itself; so much wasted space inside a normal machine, and it is still the fine dust that eventually clogs the filter. I'm a little hesitant to start building one of these, because I'm afraid to get "sucked in" by the process- I could see spending a lot of time on one of these. Anyhow, awesome work.
pocket83² With a concentric two stage build up it can go inside the cleaner. The tube is set in the center of the cleaner and holds an external baffle. Then the air enters the center tube as second stage but there it does need only a small container for the remaining dust. The bottom of the tube will be enough. The only problem is that there is no 'fine' filter anymore.
Hi. I want to build this but I also have a problem withthe fine dust filtering since I only have a regulare house vacuum, cleaner. do you have any recommendations as to how to go about this matter? perhaps a reccomendation as to what air filter to buy on line and how to install i (maybe as a separate station between the cyclone and the vacuum) Thnx
hey awesome project I have 3 question for you, the green disc sitting in the end off the suction pipe inside the cyclone, what is the diameter of that disk....? And the length of the gray pipe with the green disc in the end, how long is that form the inner side of the plexiglass too green disc....? and the length of the notch made in the gray pipe how long is that....?
Cosmas, I'm in the process of making a separator very similar to your design, which I like very much. Would you be kind enough to answer a couple of questions for me? 1) How close to the top should the intake pipe be? 2) I'm using a 9-inch diameter tube that looks to be similar to your orange pipe and would like to know if the length of this tube matters. In other words, is there any advantage to making the distance to the baffle closer or farther away from the intake? Thanks so much from Arizona.
elton42k Ach... Das mit dem Durchmesser hab ich jetzt erst gesehen. Wo kriegst du das KG-Rohr her? hier in den Baumärkten gibt es die nicht in der Größe, nur kleiner.
Wow ... Das Ding ist echt super geworden ... Seit wann hast du denn einen pantorouter Wo hast du den gekauft? Bekommen wir noch ein Video zu deiner Tischkreissäge ? Da ich selbst überlege eine große stahlplatte für die Oberseite zu verwenden, wäre ich sehr an weiteren Videos interessiert Gruß
Great Work!! Very inspiring!! The black hose has an inner diameter of 32 mm (1 /14 inch)? Seems like you improvise a reduction after the 90 degrees curve, is that right?
No, that would probably lower the performance. You don't want to introduce axial airflow to the system. At least that is what I think. You can try it and see what happens. Maybe I'm wrong.
Can you list the glues you use? Can you tell us what glues to use with different material? Seems you use a lot of the same stuff :) Great build, really, smooth and firm!
Deadly accurate! What I most of all appreciate. I have one question about dust. This system good catches sawdust but I suffer of fine dust. Especially of MDF. How about that? How much fine dust pass through and left on vacuum cleaner filters?
Vladimir Evdokimov Great question. Centrifugal separators have a practical limit of effectiveness somewhere between 10-30 microns. Below that, there's not much mass but there's plenty of surface area to give your lungs trouble. And your vacuum filter will only catch that if it's a good HEPA system. On the plus side, this will keep your HEPA filter in good shape and able to do what it's best at, which is filter the truly fine particles.
A separator like this one is a good first stage. You will still need a good HEPA filter for the super-fine dust which is buoyant and cannot be separated this way.
What is the light brown pipe? I thought it might be sewer pipe but could not find any that size at my local builders merchant. Great job and build by the way
+John Fithian-Franks - They are building a new hotel a mile down the road from me. I spoke nicely to the boss, who gave me a 0.8m long off-cut for nothing. (My version is a bit smaller, using 160mm pipe and a traffic cone).
You will not get that efficiency when dealing with dust from a sander, specially if you do lots of sanding. A filter at the other end will have a powder dust that will be great for making wood filling mixed with glue. It's a awesome use for the separation, premium dust in a bag 😁
I have build this but not much succes, gets about 70% only and the rest goes into my vacuum cleaner... do you have any points that might help me to get better results? Thank you !!!
Hmm maybe you connected it the rong way round. Or maybe you forgot the baffle. I remember when I tried it without the baffle, I got really bad results.
no its connected the right way and the baffle its just a bit lower half way of the 20cm and the outlet pipe is pointing away from the inlet pipe !!!!!!!!!
found the problem my friend there was a second filter in the vacuum that was previously completely clocked and now everything is smooth and clean... thank you for your time and videos... keep it up !!!
Cosmas, congrats for this excellent design. I'm going to replace the cyclone part of my self designed shop vacum and I'm intending to use your design. Could you please tell me what is the diameter of the large PVC tube you have used? Best regards.
Hi +Cosmas B - great build! It really shows that you have a lot of experience with these cyclones after building so many ... I'm thinking of building one too, and this really seems to be a very good design - compact, efficient and easy to build. I was wondering if you have experimented with how far down in the cyclone the best position for the baffle is? It just looks like it's not flush with the bottom (which I would have expected). And just for a size comparison: is that a 60 liter bucket?
Glad to see people are making their cylindrical separators a tad taller rather than fatter. And I'm really impressed with the glass top. I think I'll copy that in my next cyclone. It's enough to let you see in without limiting your choice of materials or construction methods. A baffle can foul if a large clump of dryer lint gets stuck and directs dust toward the exhaust. But at least you'll see if there's a problem! Can you say more about your decision to build a radial (not axial) exhaust? Classically cyclones send air on an outer spin downward and an inner spin up the middle; this forces a different dynamic. Is there analysis out there anywhere?
Absolutely Brilliant Cosmas! you are a superb perfectionist to which I one can aspire too. Having good quality and precise equipment really can do wonders eh? especially that router pantograph jig you made. And as always, a great presentation video. Good choice of music too. A big like from me. Cheers Cosmas :)
Very clever how you cut the inlet hole in the cylinder!
Clever build ! Thanks for sharing.
Hi Matthias. I was just thinking he is a German version of you. :)
This is by far the best cyclone I've seen built. very well done.
Thanks for sharing
+Shop built Thanks! Great you like it!
Wow - loads of massively clever ideas there, especially your template @ 6:46
That is awesome.
I was totally on board with this project until you busted out the pantorouter, then I was like "oh hell no" and then a link pops up "click here for a more common method" and I was right back on board again and was like "oh hells yes". Great work, this is the best cyclone vid out there.
haha, I first thought you were wining about my extensive use of million dollar power tools! :D
Thanks man! Glad you liked it!
Oh Man. Thank you for making a great instructional video about your cyclone project. You are helping mankind to grow and prosper.
haha thanks ;)
Based on your video, I built the same device. Works great. I am very happy with it. I do not remember when I had to change the bag in the vacuum cleaner. Thanks !
Good point. I see the difference and appreciate you punting it out. Seems like a more efficient design as you demonstrated.
Very useful, as i'm contemplating something similar, but probably scaled up some.
One of these next to each machine would allow a central vacuum to be connected, but with the debris collected local to the machine, instead of being transported back to a central location.
Fantastic workmanship and design!
Hi. I have never seen so well done dust collector. Amazing. Congratulations.
Excellent video with cool and fitting background music. My greatest compliments to a ingenering gifted young man. Thank you for sharing your skills. Now I found the right cyclone dust collector/ Antonio,Thailand.
probably one of the best dust collector video. i built mine very easily after seeing your video. Thanks a lot.
7:08 so satisfying to watch...
An excellent video with amazing results! Nice work!
Nicely done Sir. Your efficiency test was brilliant.
I take it that you like festool colours,great video,great design
malcolm oxley I like green not festool.
Love the clear top, its like staring into a camp fire.
More more compliments!!! Special work!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
It looks really good, very well done.
This is impressive. I have been working on a Thien baffle extractor today, just a rough one, my first. I have an idea which I think might make these extractors more efficient in terms of suction loss. It'll be a bit more difficult to build but I'll have a go and make a video
Excellent workmanship! I think that I have found the answer to my 1st stage dust collection, only on a larger scale.
Great job! would like to see the inside of your shop vac and the filter after a more strenuous test.
Thanks for the upload!
Fantastic!Your skills are outstanding.
very good job ! Nice séparator. Salutations from France.
Thanks for your video, I have made one based on your design using some large mains water pipe and it works great.
I have tested mine and it is about 99.8% efficience which I am really pleased with.
Very cool! :)
Well done and a fun little project.
For the efficiency, just put the once filtered saw shavings through the seperator a second time, weigh before and after the second run through. Great work btw, excellent standard all round.
Nice work! To improve even further on the efficiency of the cyclone, could you increase the difference in height between the inlet-pipe and the notch in the outlet-pipe? You have built more of these obviously, what have you learned to improve your design even more?
Great build. I like the way you made the inlet very smart.
Really nice. I like that. That will fit my needs perfectly and all the parts are really easy to get.
If Carlsberg made cyclones they could not beat that, brilliant Sehr Schone, Having that thickness of plexi is great Ill have to have a go, very instructive video I congratulate you
Very nice😃 good job mister Cosmas B. 👍👍
the fits are so satisfying, amazing job !
Wonderful, very clever design. Thanks for video
Outstanding!
very well done. I appreciate you method for the efficiency testing. Have seen a bunch that claim 99% efficient but there methods were usually just guesses.
Also proves you have a really clean shop! :-0) Great job
really good video will save me fortunes on bags for the fein extractor
Thanks for sharing the video, no wonder Germans are so ahead in technology!
Que bien, cuantas herramientas tienes para mostrar.
Witam. Jaki jest wymiar wewnętrznego dysku? Może mi pan powiedzieć również, jaka
głęboka jest długość rury centralnej, pod pleksi i ile jest również
długość części pociętego na centralnej rurze? Dzięki za odpowiedź.
Pozdrawiam z Polski
Wow. That is cool the way you put the baffle on the end of the pipe. Mine is ever so ugly, compared to this. I do however have as close to 100% as I can measure, just like yours. I am of he belief that the top needs to be pure cylindrical, and not a bucket (slightly conical).
A very neat job indeed, great work, hope mine will be half as good,...I doubt it. Thnx
Grundsätzlich kann ein Zyklonabscheider zwar sehr gut Späne und gröbere Teile aufsaugen, aber was ist mit dem viel unangenehmeren Fein- und Feinststaub?? Für mich muss ein wirklich guter Sauger auch damit fertig werden, ohne zu verstopfen! Die vielen Beispiele von Absaugeinrichtungen haben mich bisher alle nicht überzeugt. Ein wirklicher Test bestünde darin, mal 2-3 Tüten MEHL aufzusaugen und dann den Verstopfungsgrad zu untersuchen.
How many inner diameter - lower circle (which is attached to a gray tube), and the distance from it to the Plexiglas? Thanking you in advance.
That was probably the best one I've seen yet. I just wish there was a way to do this inside of the vacuum cleaner itself; so much wasted space inside a normal machine, and it is still the fine dust that eventually clogs the filter. I'm a little hesitant to start building one of these, because I'm afraid to get "sucked in" by the process- I could see spending a lot of time on one of these. Anyhow, awesome work.
pocket83² With a concentric two stage build up it can go inside the cleaner. The tube is set in the center of the cleaner and holds an external baffle. Then the air enters the center tube as second stage but there it does need only a small container for the remaining dust. The bottom of the tube will be enough. The only problem is that there is no 'fine' filter anymore.
Is the hat vac the best you have built ? It seems that downward force is good in keeping the dust down
Hi.
I want to build this but I also have a problem withthe fine dust filtering since I only have a regulare house vacuum, cleaner.
do you have any recommendations as to how to go about this matter?
perhaps a reccomendation as to what air filter to buy on line and how to install i (maybe as a separate station between the cyclone and the vacuum)
Thnx
You are really a genius
Spitze! Sauber gemacht! Aber Deine Werkzeugausstattung ist auch sehr professionell.
Thanks again for your help. Well done.
Great Build!Any chance on an Update Video/Comment on a Large Scale Clean-Up. Would love to see the Efficiency Percentage.
very clever and super Quality Job maintain all the way, What if your Orange Tube is 3 " Longer ,,Is that make Any Different ?
Thanks! making it longer is ok making it shorter seems to be a slight problem.
Thanks for sharing the awesome build!
hey awesome project
I have 3 question for you, the green disc sitting in the end off the suction pipe inside the cyclone, what is the diameter of that disk....?
And the length of the gray pipe with the green disc in the end, how long is that form the inner side of the plexiglass too green disc....? and the length of the notch made in the gray pipe how long is that....?
Great build and explanations! Thanks for sharing!
Alter a few years of use, don’t you think that the green disk held by the knotched pipe inside the cyclon should be lowered ?
Thanks
Sergio
No.
Interesting that you left the baffle opening as a complete circle. Most people have a partial opening of just 240-270 degrees.
Cosmas, I'm in the process of making a separator very similar to your design, which I like very much. Would you be kind enough to answer a couple of questions for me? 1) How close to the top should the intake pipe be? 2) I'm using a 9-inch diameter tube that looks to be similar to your orange pipe and would like to know if the length of this tube matters. In other words, is there any advantage to making the distance to the baffle closer or farther away from the intake? Thanks so much from Arizona.
Hallo Cosmas,
wo bekommst du deine Spuntfässer her? Und welchen Durchmesser hat das orange KG-Rohr?
Gruß, elton
elton42k Ach... Das mit dem Durchmesser hab ich jetzt erst gesehen. Wo kriegst du das KG-Rohr her? hier in den Baumärkten gibt es die nicht in der Größe, nur kleiner.
elton42k Ich besitze glaub ich keine Spuntfräser. Das Rohr ist aus dem baumarkt um die Ecke.
Cosmas B ok. dann heißen die Dinger vielleicht anders... Ich meine die blaue Tonne mit dem Spannverschluß, die du als Auffangbehälter nimmst.
elton42k Ups ich hab mich verlesen! Du meintest ja Fässer nicht Fräser! Die Spuntfässer hab ich aus ebay.
Good day,
very good work!
Do you also produce a separator for sale? I would be interested. Please communicate the price. Thank you.
C'est vraiment très ingénieux. Du très beau travail.
Nice engineering sir.
Don't think you need the extra length pip into the drum (WITH SIDE CUT OUT).. just 0.5 to 1in portending into. Nice work nice Tools too.
Wow ...
Das Ding ist echt super geworden ...
Seit wann hast du denn einen pantorouter
Wo hast du den gekauft?
Bekommen wir noch ein Video zu deiner Tischkreissäge ? Da ich selbst überlege eine große stahlplatte für die Oberseite zu verwenden, wäre ich sehr an weiteren Videos interessiert
Gruß
sunc93 Das Video kommt bald. Der Pantorouter ist von Kuldeep Singh.
Great Work!! Very inspiring!! The black hose has an inner diameter of 32 mm (1 /14 inch)? Seems like you improvise a reduction after the 90 degrees curve, is that right?
Do you suppose somewhat tilting the inlet downward toward the baffle slot would increase the efficiency of a separator I'm building.
No, that would probably lower the performance. You don't want to introduce axial airflow to the system. At least that is what I think. You can try it and see what happens. Maybe I'm wrong.
Thanks.
Yes, slightly tilting down reduces turbulence when the debris comes back around thus improving separation and reduced static pressure loss.
Awesome wood shop....
Can you list the glues you use? Can you tell us what glues to use with different material? Seems you use a lot of the same stuff :) Great build, really, smooth and firm!
Deadly accurate! What I most of all appreciate. I have one question about dust. This system good catches sawdust but I suffer of fine dust. Especially of MDF. How about that? How much fine dust pass through and left on vacuum cleaner filters?
Vladimir Evdokimov Great question. Centrifugal separators have a practical limit of effectiveness somewhere between 10-30 microns. Below that, there's not much mass but there's plenty of surface area to give your lungs trouble. And your vacuum filter will only catch that if it's a good HEPA system. On the plus side, this will keep your HEPA filter in good shape and able to do what it's best at, which is filter the truly fine particles.
I really interested in more fine dust remowing. Now I finished my new homemade saw and router and thinking about dust collection.
A separator like this one is a good first stage. You will still need a good HEPA filter for the super-fine dust which is buoyant and cannot be separated this way.
Very nicely done.
Congrats! Great job
Piu' bello di quelli che si comprano in negozio..
Complimenti... 👏👏👏
What is the light brown pipe? I thought it might be sewer pipe but could not find any that size at my local builders merchant. Great job and build by the way
+John Fithian-Franks - They are building a new hotel a mile down the road from me. I spoke nicely to the boss, who gave me a 0.8m long off-cut for nothing. (My version is a bit smaller, using 160mm pipe and a traffic cone).
nice colors
You will not get that efficiency when dealing with dust from a sander, specially if you do lots of sanding. A filter at the other end will have a powder dust that will be great for making wood filling mixed with glue. It's a awesome use for the separation, premium dust in a bag 😁
Great stuff. Did you build the pantorouter yourself?
grotekleum This is kuldeep singh's metal pantorouter.
grotekleum by
ok I'll ask the question . if your are concerned about efficiency, wouldn't it have been much more efficient just to buy a dust deputy?
+Peter Eller a video about buying a dust debuty wouldn't be very efficient, would it?
Шикардос! Очень грамотный подход.
What kind of brand do you have on the table saw in the video ?
Kristian / Sweden
rednotereso it's homemade.
Cosmas B
It looks like a metal board
It is a metal top
How did you get it ? I have tried to get a top here in Sweden, but I haven´t find one.
rednotereso It is a piece of sheet metal on plywood
hey, cosmas
eiert das Bohrfutter deines Akkuschraubers (dhp453) auch so sehr?
0j0nn Nein , nicht merklich.
Dammit I peed a little when the inlet fits the bucket!
great job
I have build this but not much succes, gets about 70% only and the rest goes into my vacuum cleaner... do you have any points that might help me to get better results? Thank you !!!
Hmm maybe you connected it the rong way round. Or maybe you forgot the baffle. I remember when I tried it without the baffle, I got really bad results.
no its connected the right way and the baffle its just a bit lower half way of the 20cm and the outlet pipe is pointing away from the inlet pipe !!!!!!!!!
found the problem my friend there was a second filter in the vacuum that was previously completely clocked and now everything is smooth and clean... thank you for your time and videos... keep it up !!!
Cool! :)
beautiful work
For camera, get a head band to hold it so you can use both hands :)
Cosmas, congrats for this excellent design. I'm going to replace the cyclone part of my self designed shop vacum and I'm intending to use your design. Could you please tell me what is the diameter of the large PVC tube you have used? Best regards.
200 mm
Excelente desde Cali Colombia Saluditos
Nice work. How many have you already made?
Four
Hi +Cosmas B - great build! It really shows that you have a lot of experience with these cyclones after building so many ...
I'm thinking of building one too, and this really seems to be a very good design - compact, efficient and easy to build. I was wondering if you have experimented with how far down in the cyclone the best position for the baffle is? It just looks like it's not flush with the bottom (which I would have expected). And just for a size comparison: is that a 60 liter bucket?
Thanks! The baffle is about one or two cm above the actual lid but I don't think that it's exact posiotion is too important. Yes, that's a 60l bucket.
Thank you, helps a lot!
Very nice build! Do you share plans / measurements? also, which type of double sided tape did you use? Thanks!
Hey Costas Great project but do you have the dimensions listed somewhere?
Nope.
Glad to see people are making their cylindrical separators a tad taller rather than fatter. And I'm really impressed with the glass top. I think I'll copy that in my next cyclone. It's enough to let you see in without limiting your choice of materials or construction methods. A baffle can foul if a large clump of dryer lint gets stuck and directs dust toward the exhaust. But at least you'll see if there's a problem!
Can you say more about your decision to build a radial (not axial) exhaust? Classically cyclones send air on an outer spin downward and an inner spin up the middle; this forces a different dynamic. Is there analysis out there anywhere?
Do you have any hand eye coordination it’s like you never used a saw
What do You thing about 250mm diameter pipe? I've got some long part ;-)
Cool
;-)
Welche Tischkreissäge benutzt Du?
Ist ein Eigenbau.
Great job!
Absolutely Brilliant Cosmas! you are a superb perfectionist to which I one can aspire too. Having good quality and precise equipment really can do wonders eh? especially that router pantograph jig you made. And as always, a great presentation video. Good choice of music too. A big like from me. Cheers Cosmas :)
Reuben's woodcraft
Super boulot merci.
Thanks for sharing 👍
I llike it, nice and smart done.
thx for sharing/
in sec 20 ff ist ein vierkantprofil auf der Tischdägeplatte wo bekommt man diese und wie heißen die?
Ein Aluminiumprofil. Ebay.