if this was the final product from big company it would have been a bit disappointment but as a prototype by a small team this absolutely deserves praise
Good question. He has a 5 furrow plough on that so he has only 32hp per furrow. There is no way he would be ripping along at anything like that speed if he was ploughing a typical soggy English field.
Not so easy when you can't charge them, why you say. Because the Hydro grid can't supply that much power... Lets use Solar or Wind, sorry to tell you there's been no Wind for a week. Almost forgot Solar needs Sun it's been Dull and Overcast the last week, also as 6 months of the year you have less that 8 hours of low sunlight. Do I need to say anymore....
multi ton interchangeable batteries? and WHERE are you putting them? under the cab? centrally for weight distribution? JCB already did the maths, all-day battery would be over 10 ton by itself its a non-starter , unless you can shrink and lighten batteries , by several orders of magnitude
We are thinking and we are thinking .that when there's bad weather on the way an the 50 acres that needs sowing before it gets here, ISN'T GOING TO GET DONE BY A TRACTOR THAT CANNT WORK ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT ON ONE CHARGE EV tractors are for hobby farmers, we aren't going to feed people with these things
@@mithall4198 exactly, think Dewalt times 1k. These are already made by CAT and Volvo and will be great for using most of all that rooftop PV in stationary mode. Too much "nah, if it ain't 1:1 what my Diesel monster can do the whole electrification is never gonna work. I'll bet even non corp family farmers will adapt their work flows if there is money to be saved on fuel and maintenance. Sadly the whole" we got a moral obligation in the US to stop using fossile fuels within the next 20yrs to mitigate man made climate change" is a big no-no, so other nations have and had to come up with the subsidies bringing green tech up to scale, only then is the US and Australia willing to do it : /
@@velotillno they should be expanding Diesel and Gas ICE engineering and development! Proven reliable inexpensive abundant natural energy resources, EV is 100x more expensive, dangerous, destructive and unreliable energy sources and has zero to do with the environment.
sure it might require a bit of charging time to go all in. however given the radically lower tco it leave quite a bit of room for things to adjust schedules and tunke4 with new processes.
Re-plowing is often done on fallow land for weed and disease control and as part of final prep for seeding that may have been originally plowed months before. And it is certainly easier to do. This proto type would be useless on any normal agricultural development I know of! ?.......
@@ColinMill1 And it's got 1/4th of the power, is only 2WD, doesn't even do rear wheel steering, doesn't have all the modern controls and pollutes like hell. Put the same size plow on it and it's not going to move.
Great stuff! Keep up the good work. For work such as loading silage wagons and feeding stock I'm sure your next tractor will be able to work all day without charging. Electric is the future!
It would be useful to have an aframe towbar close by in case the battery runs out of power and the tractor needs to be towed back to the farm using another tractor.
@@robertsmith9810 don't forget if it catches fire, firefighters have to be trained to fight such a type of fire. This is just a dumb idea trying to go EV, just too expensive
Awesome! If you want farmers to like it make it durable, easy to repair and if the software is open source it would be fantastic! Open source is the future
Yes sure, they aren't even disclosing how many traction motors are in the machine and you think this is going to be open source? Are you out of your mind?
@@looserkuka I am allowed to comment my point of view right? On my farm we are currently running tractors older than year 2000 because we want our equipment to be easily maintained at the farm. We have all the modern stuff like GPS driving and so on, but with a more DIY install in the tractors. So why buy something new when it is worse and more costly than the old?
It is a start but nope, what will the battery lifespan be in working hours , and only 6 hours without battery degrading accounted for,then 2 hours charging time plus weather events in between ? the last factor is where will the electricity be generated from if hundreds of thousands oftrucks,tractors and ships all need electricity
This will be the future. Battery technology is advancing rapidly. Without a driver (I'm that option will be available one day - as with cars) they will be able to work around the clock and link up to a charger themselves.
In Australia a trucking company realised that they had forklift trucks and they could add or remove a large battery from a lorry in a few minutes just like they could a pallet.. Because they already had the forklift it was dead easy. Large farms tend to have some sort of forklift so having two large batteries and swapping one out with fully charged one would not be an absurd idea. Then that could charge and repeat so with two batteries for one appliance a farmer could work 18hours. I realise in farming some days it is all hands on deck. I realise that farmers could have a lot of money tied up in batteries. If those swap in and out batteries were a standard in the construction industry that could help keep the costs down by sharing the use. If you search on RUclips for "This GIANT Electric Semi Can Swap Out Its Batteries!" you can see the video for yourself.
Remove able battery packs and solar on the farm would make sense - it also depends on how many acres are being farmed - maintenance cost will lower with electric . Inevitably when battery tech becomes cheaper and better.
That tractor is a joke. 6 hours is also a joke. Going to have to have a charging station at each field. Might work if people are willing to pay at least 4 times as much for food.
Great idea but in my eyes technology isnt quite there yet. You'd have to own 2 of these tractors in order to keep working whilst one of them is on charge. Then their is the travelling to and from the field.....swapping implements😅 farmers are struggling for time as it is..... I know i spent 20 years in the industry.
Its a costly toy, the tractor needs over 80% of its nominal power on heavy duty. 3 hours of hard-plowing would need a battery of at least 300kwh (150.000 Euro??). Thats total ridiculous, refueling in comparison to a diesel takes over 200 times longer and so on, electrical energy is more expensive and the lifeime of the battery is much lower than the lifetime of a diesel engine .....insane misallocation of money....
@@davepermen Hard to believe, maybe in china, but not here in Germany or Europe. The battery is by far the most expensive part of an e-car, not to mention a tractor. This crap is produced at dumping prices in China and the energetical footprint of a batterie is huge - produced with coal energy in china and with vast destruction of the environment to get the rare materials. i have a battery in my house, 5 kwh and paid 2022 5000 Euros for it, but i have to admit, prices have halved since then, but only due to chinese business war tactics. Over here in Germany, we are deindustrializing our economy and we currently even dont have the energy for this E-Crap.
It's a costly toy because it's a prototype. You are comparing it with technologies that have been refined over many years by huge manufacturing corporations.
@@christopherfairs9095 its just plain physics/chemical - you can much more easily save energy in chemical form than in electrical form, by far! One Liter of Diesel has about 11kwh and the new engines have a efficency of over 50% (in development). And the rest of the energy is in form of heat available. No chance that battery powered vehicles can replace a diesel in the near future, except in special edge cases. moreover, its a economic simple thing - its not worth the efforts.
@@beowolfgang I know that but diesel fuel needs to pass through an internal combustion engine, which is inefficient when compared with an electric motor. It also produces a lot of noise, waste heat and CO2. That is why this research into improving battery technology is going on.
My take on this topic is that company's like this (especially small startups) should focus on developing small tractors (for small farmers) that run a few hours a day and preform light duty tasks like pulling, mowing, transporting or short sessions of field work etc. Going into a market for industrial type field work (very energy intensive) is to my eyes a complete nonsense. And there is millions of small very inefficient tractors that need replacing trough EU. If they could offer a decently priced small electric tractor (equivalent HP ranging from 50-80) I bet it would be a hit. But of-course the profit margin on each machine would have to be way lower and in today's market profit margin is all that counts 🤑.
I'm farmer and in a season our tractor running 24 hour with 2 drivers running it day and night so battery is good but it lacks the ability to to work over time
they need like batteries that attach on thr front weight vracket that can be charging while your running like a dewalt drill so 1 tractor w 2 battereis
6 hours. Max. Theoretically. I drive 1/2 hour to the paddock, work for 20 hours, there’s no power there, then 1/2 hour back. A tractor will do many thousands of hours. How many years does that battery last? More expensive to buy? Tractors are already insanely expensive. Cheaper to run? How about when power prices increase? And what happens when they get covered in cow dung and mud, going through wet bogs, all good?
Minneapolis moline had a fuel cell tractor in the 50’s if I recall correctly its fuel cell used propane the tractor was a beast with power here in the states during planting season minutes in the field can almost make or break a season six hours wouldn’t cut it
We have ran tractors up to 48 hrs with only stopping for ten minutes for fuel and check oil. You've got a long way too go to become practical. Other farmers I know have ran multiple shifts for over 10 days to get the work done. This won't work very well
While using battery power of that machine why can’t add charger to keep battery up while working long hours but got to becareful of what size battery are and charger to feed battery?
160 horsepower = 120 kw * 6 hours = 720 kw-hours + spare capacity for transporting the tractor. The battery must be at least 1,000 kWh, and it costs more than $100,000 - and where is there any economic feasibility in this tractor? Who will guarantee that the battery will serve at least 2 seasons and not have to buy a new one?
6 hours ploughing... not great but not terrible.. this would be great for second tractor in farm who is dealing with smaller jobs like raking, transport, work with frontloader.. stuff that needs high power for short bursts but most of the time runs light on power demand so the battery capacity wouldn't be such a big problem for tractor.
Charge two hours plow 1.5 hours. Only use it in ground that's broke up good with no weeds. You did a couple acres and it's already screaming charge me. It's cheaper to run but you need 8 to do the same acres as one diesel tractor. Maybe some day but not in 2026.
the battery technology need to improve if it can't handle the life cycle of the tractor it'll be a ruin to own you save the diesel and part of maintenance but if the battery need to be changed or the residual value of the tractor is null as EV are starting to show it doesn't make a difference and what about future electricity prices? the goal of 6h work 2h charge and 6 more work hours is in short asking for a 14h day to get just get 12h of work, road time counted out 8h00-22h00 plus road time, anyone would fit 12h day within 8h00and 20h00 with a driver switch at noon or eating behind the wheel. repeating 8h00-20h00 is sustainable over a period of time 8h-22h is not. having the tractor sit 2 hours in the middle of the day is a big problem for field work not so much in cattle farms.
JCB might do a hydrogen version. Battery technology needs a revolution to keep same working time, similar price & speedy charge or quick battery change. PTO removal replaced by high power delivery to motor driven implements that used PTO power trains
Come on guys, imagine that u have a similar tractor middle off harvesting season and swapping 3 4 times batterys a day and than all the time checking how much power left... to much thing
It's great that people are prototyping these applications. Once the machine exists, let's put them in real world trials and get legitimate data on which are better.
Plowing disturbs the microbes which inhabit various levels. It reduces the fertility. The most productive farm in the world was developed by Masanobu Fukuoka who kept growth in the ground year round, never plowed, never fertilized with chemicals. He let geese glean his un-flooded, harvested rice field. Their droppings broke down the residue. It's cheaper, better to let nature work for you. Your soil should retain or increase in fertility, IF you are a farmer, NOT a miner who produces by reducing the fertility.
Made From a JCB Fast track ,But JCB are Not Going EV They are Going Hydrogen as they Stated they Looked at EV for There Machines and Said The Battery would Be Too Heavy and Limit Working Time etc. There is No Point Messing around With Trying to Make Everything in to an EV at Silly Prices,Just Stop People Flying around on Aircraft all over the World and The Savings Made on all the Jet Fuel Can Be used in Farming.
@@hughmarcus1 Best I can find is adding diesel to hydrogen to make that even remotely possible. Retrofitting a lot of engines, yet to be seen. Long-term effects on those engines? Yet to be seen. Last but not least: who's making the hydrogen and how will you get it? The few hydrogen cars that were made showed issues with storage, loss of fuel when parked and fuel availability. It's unlikely to be a realistic future.
Well, this shows exactly why going electric with agriculture is going to be a hell of a job. 160hp (120kW) is fairly small by agricultural machinery standards - a small combine starts at 200kW (270hp), large ones run to 500kW and over. If this was able to work at the full 160hp for 1.5hrs it would need a 180kWh battery - that is going to be 680kg of cells even if you thrash it from 100% to zero which isn't going to be a good idea for battery lifetime so closer to 1000kg plus thermal management, balancer electronics, protective casework etc. For the 6hr version we are looking at 720kWh so more like 4 tonnes of cells. Do the sums for a mid-sized combine and consider how these things are going to get charged in all the fields in the World where they are going to be needed.
@@Rockall57 The problem is significantly worse with combines as they operate at full power all the time unlike road vehicles that operate at full power climbing hills and accelerating but cruise at much less than full power. Of course the Tesla semi does nothing to solve the infrastructure problem of farming. That needs to have the capacity to fast charge batteries as big or bigger than a semi in every grain field in the world.
@@ColinMill1 passenger cars need vast infrastructure that spans the entire country. A tractor only requires operation on the farm it’s working. The easiest answer to this “problem” already exists. You can just swap out the batteries. I don’t wait 3 hours for my dewalt to charge I just grab a spare and go back.
@@Neoprenesiren So in a field miles from anywhere you are going to swap out a battery of at least 200kwh usable capacity every hour even for a small combine and transport it to a charging point where exactly?
The heavier the machine is and the more high steady load the usecase is, the less sense it makes to make something battery electric. Overhead wires are something else and hybrid vehicles when the use is very dynamic. But on a tractor there is nothing gained by regenerative braking and at the high load a combustion engine will easily exceed 40% efficiency.
This doesn't even seem half bad, but the two hour charging is a dealbreaker in agriculture. You have work peaks where the tractor has to run the whole day. They need a way to switch the battery fast (10-20 minutes max).
Farmer you heard that for double of what you paid for a combustion tractors you would have maybe 6 hours of work then plug for 18 hours so you get back to work your crops and weather would wait I pinky promised I swear,,,
Just a crack pipe dream. For one thing, notice they cleverly put plow shares in a vertical line to reduce drag. The horizontal path that the machine plows is half of a diesel plow. So it takes more than twice the time to plow a field than the diesel plow. And if the farmer has a field 25 miles away from the charger, how will he get it charged? A diesel tractor can just be fueled by a mobile fuel truck. You can bet this guy is getting a government grant from your tax dollars to "develop" this. And all down the toilet.
Congratulations to you! This is not the future, it is today. Already in the mines, gigantic trucks are electric: Komatsu, Caterpillar, Volvo and also Chinese. On the road, electric semi-trailers can drive for hours without stopping: Tesla, Man, Volvo, Renault, Mercedes Benz etc... Companies do it in public works: JCB. In agriculture: Fendt, John Deere. In the automobile industry, there are countless manufacturers of electric cars. Think about putting an additional battery pack on the front lift. You are writing the present, there will be eraser marks on the paper but the final copy will be perfect for those who can read.
This is the truth if this ever becomes the only option for tractors im selling off my farm here in Indiana , Looks like throwing good money after bad just my opinion and way to much down time !
There is absolutely no way this would have been of any use even on a 6 hour shift because it would not be recharged in time for the next day........lol that is if your local farm power supply was capable, without browning out the district. Just imagine how many you would need on our 20,000 acre farm,where at peak times we are operating 24 hour days playing, harrowing reworking for weed kill spraying the list goes on! Not to mention thenpower station needed that would have to be coal, Gas or nuclear because the sun doesn't shine at night nor the wind blow 24 hours. About time the Woke woke up.
This project is set up for failure. The tractor's high purchase cost restricts its market to large agricultural operations and contractors only. Even if it could operate for 6-8 hours (which I'm skeptical about) it would need to be charged at least once daily, potentially even twice, totaling up to four hours of downtime daily. This necessitates having multiple tractors on standby for continuous operation, an expense that potential customers are unlikely to justify.
Have nothing against technology but, this is NOT going to be cheaper to run/operate plus the fact that, electronics biggest enemies is moisture and dust/dirt. Components will not last long and then you have the issue that no country has the infrastructure to handle all electric vehicles. Now, add the fact that for farming, majority of farming is 16hrs to 24hrs pending on conditions, 6hrs won't cut it period, wasting time because you have to cut short field work to charge the battery, not efficient at all, sorry, this won't work well. Perhaps on small farms but not large farms. Also, who's paying for the charging station which is also a specialized unit needed to recharge the battery????
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To all you doubters being negative, this is a PROTOTYPE made by a very small team in a few years. What they've managed to achieve is very impressive.
Amen..
Agree
if this was the final product from big company it would have been a bit disappointment but as a prototype by a small team this absolutely deserves praise
This model will plough 1.5 hrs in sand, I wonder what it will do when it's in a heavy clay soil. ?
Pre cultivated sand at that.
Good question. He has a 5 furrow plough on that so he has only 32hp per furrow. There is no way he would be ripping along at anything like that speed if he was ploughing a typical soggy English field.
Nope
Makes the batteries interchangable and awaay we go!
Not so easy when you can't charge them, why you say. Because the Hydro grid can't supply that much power... Lets use Solar or Wind, sorry to tell you there's been no Wind for a week. Almost forgot Solar needs Sun it's been Dull and Overcast the last week, also as 6 months of the year you have less that 8 hours of low sunlight. Do I need to say anymore....
multi ton interchangeable batteries?
and WHERE are you putting them?
under the cab?
centrally for weight distribution?
JCB already did the maths, all-day battery would be over 10 ton by itself
its a non-starter , unless you can shrink and lighten batteries , by several orders of magnitude
@@brucescott9814
Solar?
umm.....
we NEED the tractor working when the sun shines
and (AFAIK )battery to battery charging is very inefficient
Well done! Not many Future (thinking) Farmers commenting tho!
We are thinking
and we are thinking .that when there's bad weather on the way an the 50 acres that needs sowing before it gets here,
ISN'T GOING TO GET DONE BY A TRACTOR THAT CANNT WORK ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT ON ONE CHARGE
EV tractors are for hobby farmers,
we aren't going to feed people with these things
Nice thought, but most farmers that run a 160 hp tractor, need 16 hours with no stopping...
And 10 minute refuels not 2 hour charging stops.
InB4: get another tractor, the other tractors are probably busy.
They should be developing a removable battery pack system. Three battery packs would keep 2 tractors operating for that 16 hours.
@@mithall4198 exactly, think Dewalt times 1k. These are already made by CAT and Volvo and will be great for using most of all that rooftop PV in stationary mode. Too much "nah, if it ain't 1:1 what my Diesel monster can do the whole electrification is never gonna work.
I'll bet even non corp family farmers will adapt their work flows if there is money to be saved on fuel and maintenance. Sadly the whole" we got a moral obligation in the US to stop using fossile fuels within the next 20yrs to mitigate man made climate change" is a big no-no, so other nations have and had to come up with the subsidies bringing green tech up to scale, only then is the US and Australia willing to do it : /
@@velotillno they should be expanding Diesel and Gas ICE engineering and development! Proven reliable inexpensive abundant natural energy resources, EV is 100x more expensive, dangerous, destructive and unreliable energy sources and has zero to do with the environment.
sure it might require a bit of charging time to go all in. however given the radically lower tco it leave quite a bit of room for things to adjust schedules and tunke4 with new processes.
The counterweight can be batteries too.
This is interesting.
Why are you replowing an already prep'd field ?? Let's see this breaking new ground ...
Re-plowing is often done on fallow land for weed and disease control and as part of final prep for seeding that may have been originally plowed months before. And it is certainly easier to do. This proto type would be useless on any normal agricultural development I know of! ?.......
@@downtoearth1950try use the harrow instead. Destroys much less biology
@@downtoearth1950To nie ogór, tam nie ma chwastów
Fascinating.. surely the future is here.. we have very small land and solar,wind and hydro electric production so long for TOTALelectic equipment..😊
The projected run time is beaten by tractors from the 60s, and a decent amount of those tractors are still running today.
Yes, my 1963 Massey Feruson 35x is still doing a solid days work and the inside of the Perkins engine hasn't seen the light of day since it was build.
@@ColinMill1 And it's got 1/4th of the power, is only 2WD, doesn't even do rear wheel steering, doesn't have all the modern controls and pollutes like hell. Put the same size plow on it and it's not going to move.
Thank you for making the video. I will get my fendt e107 in September. Hope to get this tractor in the future as well
Once you have some experience with it, I would be happy to visit your farm and record your experience to share with the other farmers in the world !
Is it with a lease or you bought it ?
@@its_making_sense you will be welcome😊 I will also make a lot of content on it here👌 great to show what’s possible, things are happening fast now😀
@@FlavienRoussel leased
They say dinosaurs are extinct, but I think they are still alive among today's farmers
Great stuff! Keep up the good work. For work such as loading silage wagons and feeding stock I'm sure your next tractor will be able to work all day without charging. Electric is the future!
It would be useful to have an aframe towbar close by in case the battery runs out of power and the tractor needs to be towed back to the farm using another tractor.
With the ability to disengage the drive train. Dead battery, drive train is locked, remember, electric motors only.
@@Ham68229 need to be a special trained fitter to be allowed to work on or recover EVs
@@robertsmith9810 don't forget if it catches fire, firefighters have to be trained to fight such a type of fire. This is just a dumb idea trying to go EV, just too expensive
I would like to operate this tractor, loads of tea breaks. Nice!!!
And get nothing done
@@MOSSFEEN I shouldn't worry m8. Uk is gonna be covered in houses soon. Lol
Awesome! If you want farmers to like it make it durable, easy to repair and if the software is open source it would be fantastic! Open source is the future
Yes sure, they aren't even disclosing how many traction motors are in the machine and you think this is going to be open source? Are you out of your mind?
@@looserkuka I am allowed to comment my point of view right? On my farm we are currently running tractors older than year 2000 because we want our equipment to be easily maintained at the farm.
We have all the modern stuff like GPS driving and so on, but with a more DIY install in the tractors.
So why buy something new when it is worse and more costly than the old?
And where are you going to charge it out in the middle of a field, and how long is it going to sit idle while it charges?
Yes be careful what end of field you stop in or you might not get home to the charger 😂
It is a start but nope, what will the battery lifespan be in working hours , and only 6 hours without battery degrading accounted for,then 2 hours charging time plus weather events in between ? the last factor is where will the electricity be generated from if hundreds of thousands oftrucks,tractors and ships all need electricity
i have a salt and pepper battery powered grinder in all honesty it is pretty useless piece of kit
This will be the future. Battery technology is advancing rapidly. Without a driver (I'm that option will be available one day - as with cars) they will be able to work around the clock and link up to a charger themselves.
In Australia a trucking company realised that they had forklift trucks and they could add or remove a large battery from a lorry in a few minutes just like they could a pallet.. Because they already had the forklift it was dead easy. Large farms tend to have some sort of forklift so having two large batteries and swapping one out with fully charged one would not be an absurd idea. Then that could charge and repeat so with two batteries for one appliance a farmer could work 18hours. I realise in farming some days it is all hands on deck. I realise that farmers could have a lot of money tied up in batteries. If those swap in and out batteries were a standard in the construction industry that could help keep the costs down by sharing the use. If you search on RUclips for "This GIANT Electric Semi Can Swap Out Its Batteries!" you can see the video for yourself.
Remove able battery packs and solar on the farm would make sense - it also depends on how many acres are being farmed - maintenance cost will lower with electric . Inevitably when battery tech becomes cheaper and better.
That tractor is a joke. 6 hours is also a joke. Going to have to have a charging station at each field. Might work if people are willing to pay at least 4 times as much for food.
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Great idea but in my eyes technology isnt quite there yet. You'd have to own 2 of these tractors in order to keep working whilst one of them is on charge. Then their is the travelling to and from the field.....swapping implements😅 farmers are struggling for time as it is..... I know i spent 20 years in the industry.
Maybe is not there bcs some people expect shit to evolve without starting somewhere, idk, maybe im just crazy
Its a costly toy, the tractor needs over 80% of its nominal power on heavy duty. 3 hours of hard-plowing would need a battery of at least 300kwh (150.000 Euro??). Thats total ridiculous, refueling in comparison to a diesel takes over 200 times longer and so on, electrical energy is more expensive and the lifeime of the battery is much lower than the lifetime of a diesel engine .....insane misallocation of money....
Actual battery cost of 300kWh are btw approaching the 15000$ this year. So no, you're off by a factor of 10.
@@davepermen Hard to believe, maybe in china, but not here in Germany or Europe. The battery is by far the most expensive part of an e-car, not to mention a tractor. This crap is produced at dumping prices in China and the energetical footprint of a batterie is huge - produced with coal energy in china and with vast destruction of the environment to get the rare materials. i have a battery in my house, 5 kwh and paid 2022 5000 Euros for it, but i have to admit, prices have halved since then, but only due to chinese business war tactics. Over here in Germany, we are deindustrializing our economy and we currently even dont have the energy for this E-Crap.
It's a costly toy because it's a prototype. You are comparing it with technologies that have been refined over many years by huge manufacturing corporations.
@@christopherfairs9095 its just plain physics/chemical - you can much more easily save energy in chemical form than in electrical form, by far! One Liter of Diesel has about 11kwh and the new engines have a efficency of over 50% (in development). And the rest of the energy is in form of heat available. No chance that battery powered vehicles can replace a diesel in the near future, except in special edge cases. moreover, its a economic simple thing - its not worth the efforts.
@@beowolfgang I know that but diesel fuel needs to pass through an internal combustion engine, which is inefficient when compared with an electric motor. It also produces a lot of noise, waste heat and CO2. That is why this research into improving battery technology is going on.
Whats the diference between fully electric and electric?
You should consider to use the Tatra Backbone Chassis.Go to Dvorak in Tabor Czech Republic..he has huge experience in building this sort of tractor..
Do you have any numbers on power usage vs diesel consumption? my RAW numbers is about 3x usage over diesel meaning 10l/hr equals 30kw/hr.
kWh per hour
@@Simon-dm8zv exactly the same
@@agronorth2640 It doesn’t make sense to say power per hour. It should be energy per hour, just like you say liters of fuel per hour.
How far is the nearest charge point on most farms? Or do they drag a cable to the field??
Battery packs on a trailer with fast charger on it is what I will do
Six hours .... Took me an hour each way to get to the last 18 hrs of ploughing i did. 😂
Sounds like a you problem
Jestem ciekaw jaki jest system przekladni czy CVT coś Ala dyna shift lub vario???
My take on this topic is that company's like this (especially small startups) should focus on developing small tractors (for small farmers) that run a few hours a day and preform light duty tasks like pulling, mowing, transporting or short sessions of field work etc. Going into a market for industrial type field work (very energy intensive) is to my eyes a complete nonsense. And there is millions of small very inefficient tractors that need replacing trough EU. If they could offer a decently priced small electric tractor (equivalent HP ranging from 50-80) I bet it would be a hit. But of-course the profit margin on each machine would have to be way lower and in today's market profit margin is all that counts 🤑.
I'm farmer and in a season our tractor running 24 hour with 2 drivers running it day and night so battery is good but it lacks the ability to to work over time
Looks extremely promising. I wouldn't mind a break every 6 hours. The tech is coming and when it does, it will be a game changer.
they need like batteries that attach on thr front weight vracket that can be charging while your running like a dewalt drill so 1 tractor w 2 battereis
6 hours. Max. Theoretically. I drive 1/2 hour to the paddock, work for 20 hours, there’s no power there, then 1/2 hour back. A tractor will do many thousands of hours. How many years does that battery last? More expensive to buy? Tractors are already insanely expensive. Cheaper to run? How about when power prices increase? And what happens when they get covered in cow dung and mud, going through wet bogs, all good?
so 1 hour a day driving and 20 hours in the field
Do you do that every day?
@@thinfourth yes of course 365 days a year. What do you think?
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Minneapolis moline had a fuel cell tractor in the 50’s if I recall correctly its fuel cell used propane the tractor was a beast with power here in the states during planting season minutes in the field can almost make or break a season six hours wouldn’t cut it
Looks great, will you extend the battery so it doesn't need the weights?
Didnt they mention it in the video, that they would in future use batteries as extra weigh ballast?
Is that six real working hours or............. 6 hours promised by the manufacturer
Is that built off a JCB?
There's no reason to reinvent everything at 1st.
Run and charge time will be big points to cover
We have ran tractors up to 48 hrs with only stopping for ten minutes for fuel and check oil. You've got a long way too go to become practical. Other farmers I know have ran multiple shifts for over 10 days to get the work done. This won't work very well
Different tools for different jobs. Go huff gas.
Make it articulated so it can cultivate row crops easy
While using battery power of that machine why can’t add charger to keep battery up while working long hours but got to becareful of what size battery are and charger to feed battery?
160 horsepower = 120 kw * 6 hours = 720 kw-hours + spare capacity for transporting the tractor. The battery must be at least 1,000 kWh, and it costs more than $100,000 - and where is there any economic feasibility in this tractor? Who will guarantee that the battery will serve at least 2 seasons and not have to buy a new one?
6 hours ploughing... not great but not terrible.. this would be great for second tractor in farm who is dealing with smaller jobs like raking, transport, work with frontloader.. stuff that needs high power for short bursts but most of the time runs light on power demand so the battery capacity wouldn't be such a big problem for tractor.
Will it come with a new pair of shoes so when the battery takes a shit out in the field you can walk home
Like trying to market a Stanley Steamer against the Model T.
Keep the EVs on the Golf Corse and on the RC racing track 🙂
No
Charge two hours plow 1.5 hours. Only use it in ground that's broke up good with no weeds. You did a couple acres and it's already screaming charge me. It's cheaper to run but you need 8 to do the same acres as one diesel tractor. Maybe some day but not in 2026.
the battery technology need to improve if it can't handle the life cycle of the tractor it'll be a ruin to own you save the diesel and part of maintenance but if the battery need to be changed or the residual value of the tractor is null as EV are starting to show it doesn't make a difference and what about future electricity prices? the goal of 6h work 2h charge and 6 more work hours is in short asking for a 14h day to get just get 12h of work, road time counted out 8h00-22h00 plus road time, anyone would fit 12h day within 8h00and 20h00 with a driver switch at noon or eating behind the wheel. repeating 8h00-20h00 is sustainable over a period of time 8h-22h is not. having the tractor sit 2 hours in the middle of the day is a big problem for field work not so much in cattle farms.
Where is the cobalt in your batteries from? Your rare metals? Children suffer and die for this,
But caterpillar is happy and so is the oil companies.
You know the oil industry uses massive amounts of cobalt? By the way, look up lithium iron phosphate batteries. They don’t contain cobalt.
Where does your oil come from? Where do the emissions go to? Children suffer and die for this.
JCB might do a hydrogen version.
Battery technology needs a revolution to keep same working time, similar price & speedy charge or quick battery change. PTO removal replaced by high power delivery to motor driven implements that used PTO power trains
I know they what us to buy 4-6 of them for the farm work , when the battery runs down time to switch to a other tractor
People generally don't like change but they are powerless at stopping it. Change has always happened and will continue. If you don't like it tough.
Farmers invest big money on tractors.They want to see real world conditions not a proof of concept idea before investing.
dayum ,after 2 hours i go charge 18 hours😂😂😂
Cheaper to build a pylon in each field and run a mains, electricity cable direct to tractor.
Why the fuck do farmers plough dead ground?
Ground isn’t dead. Called making a seed bed dork
Come on guys, imagine that u have a similar tractor middle off harvesting season and swapping 3 4 times batterys a day and than all the time checking how much power left... to much thing
U cant compare that electric toy with a fendt tractor for sure.
It's great that people are prototyping these applications. Once the machine exists, let's put them in real world trials and get legitimate data on which are better.
Plowing disturbs the microbes which inhabit various levels. It reduces the fertility. The most productive farm in the world was developed by Masanobu Fukuoka who kept growth in the ground year round, never plowed, never fertilized with chemicals. He let geese glean his un-flooded, harvested rice field. Their droppings broke down the residue. It's cheaper, better to let nature work for you. Your soil should retain or increase in fertility, IF you are a farmer, NOT a miner who produces by reducing the fertility.
Nobody wants to sit on a cancer causing machine for hours,excavator drivers are refusing to operate battery ones because of this .
Just imagine how much extra your food will cost because someone will have to pay for it !
Because existing tractors are so cheap. In fact, modern tractors are software locked by the manufacturer and can hardly be worked on by the owner.
I think you’re still a long way from a practical prototype that farmers would buy.
They should be working on battery technology before anything... I prefer the sound of the Fendt
Made From a JCB Fast track ,But JCB are Not Going EV They are Going Hydrogen as they Stated they Looked at EV for There Machines and Said The Battery would Be Too Heavy and Limit Working Time etc.
There is No Point Messing around With Trying to Make Everything in to an EV at Silly Prices,Just Stop People Flying around on Aircraft all over the World and The Savings Made on all the Jet Fuel Can Be used in Farming.
I think JCB already have a hydrogen version of this tractor running. They’re able to modify their existing turbo diesel engines to run on hydrogen
@@hughmarcus1 can they produce enough hydrogen and at what price
@@hughmarcus1 Best I can find is adding diesel to hydrogen to make that even remotely possible. Retrofitting a lot of engines, yet to be seen. Long-term effects on those engines? Yet to be seen. Last but not least: who's making the hydrogen and how will you get it? The few hydrogen cars that were made showed issues with storage, loss of fuel when parked and fuel availability. It's unlikely to be a realistic future.
Nobody mentions, fuel the expected expensive commodity
6 hours claimed which means 2 if you're lucky judging by EVs performance.
And is big promises any different to diesels? I can think of a few million models that were all the hype before they came out.
Well, this shows exactly why going electric with agriculture is going to be a hell of a job. 160hp (120kW) is fairly small by agricultural machinery standards - a small combine starts at 200kW (270hp), large ones run to 500kW and over. If this was able to work at the full 160hp for 1.5hrs it would need a 180kWh battery - that is going to be 680kg of cells even if you thrash it from 100% to zero which isn't going to be a good idea for battery lifetime so closer to 1000kg plus thermal management, balancer electronics, protective casework etc. For the 6hr version we are looking at 720kWh so more like 4 tonnes of cells.
Do the sums for a mid-sized combine and consider how these things are going to get charged in all the fields in the World where they are going to be needed.
@@ColinMill1 Tesla's semi seems to of solved the issues..
@@Rockall57 The problem is significantly worse with combines as they operate at full power all the time unlike road vehicles that operate at full power climbing hills and accelerating but cruise at much less than full power.
Of course the Tesla semi does nothing to solve the infrastructure problem of farming. That needs to have the capacity to fast charge batteries as big or bigger than a semi in every grain field in the world.
@@ColinMill1 passenger cars need vast infrastructure that spans the entire country. A tractor only requires operation on the farm it’s working. The easiest answer to this “problem” already exists. You can just swap out the batteries. I don’t wait 3 hours for my dewalt to charge I just grab a spare and go back.
@@Neoprenesiren So in a field miles from anywhere you are going to swap out a battery of at least 200kwh usable capacity every hour even for a small combine and transport it to a charging point where exactly?
120kw is fairly small? Yeah, and ferraris are very cheap cars 😁
If petrol will finish tomorrow
In one month we're 99% dead
The heavier the machine is and the more high steady load the usecase is, the less sense it makes to make something battery electric. Overhead wires are something else and hybrid vehicles when the use is very dynamic.
But on a tractor there is nothing gained by regenerative braking and at the high load a combustion engine will easily exceed 40% efficiency.
This doesn't even seem half bad, but the two hour charging is a dealbreaker in agriculture. You have work peaks where the tractor has to run the whole day. They need a way to switch the battery fast (10-20 minutes max).
And that's not counting on bad days where you might get bogged in the middle of the field with low battery.
Farmer you heard that for double of what you paid for a combustion tractors you would have maybe 6 hours of work then plug for 18 hours so you get back to work your crops and weather would wait I pinky promised I swear,,,
Why would you show it plowing, the worst job. For moving bauer rainstar and hosespools or maybe fertilizer this could work i geuss.
Better add a cord to it (not a new idea either)
Nifty gadget. Completely useless and financially absurd on mass. Absurd.
No one plows because of climate !
Just a crack pipe dream. For one thing, notice they cleverly put plow shares in a vertical line to reduce drag. The horizontal path that the machine plows is half of a diesel plow. So it takes more than twice the time to plow a field than the diesel plow. And if the farmer has a field 25 miles away from the charger, how will he get it charged? A diesel tractor can just be fueled by a mobile fuel truck. You can bet this guy is getting a government grant from your tax dollars to "develop" this. And all down the toilet.
Congratulations to you!
This is not the future, it is today.
Already in the mines, gigantic trucks are electric: Komatsu, Caterpillar, Volvo and also Chinese.
On the road, electric semi-trailers can drive for hours without stopping: Tesla, Man, Volvo, Renault, Mercedes Benz etc...
Companies do it in public works: JCB. In agriculture: Fendt, John Deere.
In the automobile industry, there are countless manufacturers of electric cars.
Think about putting an additional battery pack on the front lift.
You are writing the present, there will be eraser marks on the paper but the final copy will be perfect for those who can read.
Make it autonomous
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It would be even better environmentally if you stopped ploughing altogether.
This is the truth if this ever becomes the only option for tractors im selling off my farm here in Indiana , Looks like throwing good money after bad just my opinion and way to much down time !
dreamers 😞
There is absolutely no way this would have been of any use even on a 6 hour shift because it would not be recharged in time for the next day........lol that is if your local farm power supply was capable, without browning out the district. Just imagine how many you would need on our 20,000 acre farm,where at peak times we are operating 24 hour days playing, harrowing reworking for weed kill spraying the list goes on! Not to mention thenpower station needed that would have to be coal, Gas or nuclear because the sun doesn't shine at night nor the wind blow 24 hours. About time the Woke woke up.
Yeah. NO!
This project is set up for failure. The tractor's high purchase cost restricts its market to large agricultural operations and contractors only. Even if it could operate for 6-8 hours (which I'm skeptical about) it would need to be charged at least once daily, potentially even twice, totaling up to four hours of downtime daily. This necessitates having multiple tractors on standby for continuous operation, an expense that potential customers are unlikely to justify.
Don't think so. No thanks. Old school works.
Greem JCB
Field jobs is hard,need more power,i think diesel engines best for farming. There is no need to look for excitemen.
If you plough sand, this toy is for you.
Your mom is the toy for people who want to easily plow.
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😂😂😂😂 6 hours then you add another battery 🤣 What a joke. No wonder farmers are dumping manure in the streets
Maybe in 5 yrs but there not even close to being a viable alternative.
You could really innovate if you just used peasants like they did 100 years ago. Talk about renewable energy.
Have nothing against technology but, this is NOT going to be cheaper to run/operate plus the fact that, electronics biggest enemies is moisture and dust/dirt. Components will not last long and then you have the issue that no country has the infrastructure to handle all electric vehicles. Now, add the fact that for farming, majority of farming is 16hrs to 24hrs pending on conditions, 6hrs won't cut it period, wasting time because you have to cut short field work to charge the battery, not efficient at all, sorry, this won't work well. Perhaps on small farms but not large farms. Also, who's paying for the charging station which is also a specialized unit needed to recharge the battery????
Very sad that they are complying with this net zero bollocks
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JCB
Terrible idea, doomed to failure, guaranteed. This is quite pathetic...virtuous nonsense.