This is great. One thing that was suggested as a drill is to take an old target that shot up and overlay it over a new target. Then score the back side of the new target. This prevents you from seeing your hits on target at closer range.
Yep, I use that as well. Especially when I may not be able to get the distance or when I want to maybe do this drill from a closer distance at a higher rate of speed
@@TimHerronShooting I'm finally learning to call shots. Its funny how its something that eluding me for a while and then I had this "aha" moment and now I can see everything all the time. However, one thing I'm still struggling with is doing something with the information. Especially now that I've shifted from Production to Carry Optics. Now that I don't have to be so round conscious, I'm finding it hard to shift to the mindset that I can afford to send another round at the target if I called a close delta, for example. Any advice you can give to train this or is this just a mind shift that will just happen as I shoot more hi-cap?
@@AlexanderSotelo it’s definitely a mindset issue. Being under a sort of falsehood that “because I have so many extra rounds, I don’t have to be as accountable”. I see many shooters go through this when they make the shift from locap to hicap divisions
"People make the mistake of trying to capture the moment as opposed to record the moment the sights lift." Spot on, brother! Great video! Now, if I can just figure out where I can buy 1.5 scale USPSA targets...
It’s so crazy coming across this video, Tim. I was trying to explain this to my wife a few weeks ago on 6.03.23 when this started happening to me at the Rio grande pistol match at west side range. You probably don’t remember, but I think it was stage 1 there were two tuxedo targets far away (too far to confirm holes) but yet I knew I shot into the hardcover on the target so I took an extra shot. It was exactly as you described what shot calling is. I thought I just had a super power that awakened in me. 😂 Edit: actually that was the same time I first met you and helped setup your 3 stages in one thing. Maybe I got this power from you that day haha.
I was taught to do this on the ROTC High School shooting team. Pay attention to sight picture, shoot, look in the scope, see where the bullet hit the target. Eventually, you can say, 8 ring at 8 o'clock, 7 ring at 9 o'clock etc.
The Mantis setup has really shown me my habits that cause me to miss or be less efficient. It's an expensive price of admission, but consistently seeing feedback from me heeling the gun has been helpful.
Thank you for clearing this up! I hear shot calling mentioned a lot and I totally understood it to be looking over the sights AFTER the shot to see where it went.
Awesome video thank you very much Tim!!!! Sight picture movie makes peeeeerfect sense!!!!! A lot of movement happens between the time of that sight picture and trigger pull sometimes under speed and pressure from that timer! Thank you for taking the time to make this video god bless you brother!
I liked the content and the comments were helpful too! Have been watching some of your vids and am sure I'm going to improve by practicing for precision shooting, I'm a new to the sport and local range mostly about IDPA matches, not something just to start with though. I have gotten involved with bowling pin shoots(alternates weekly with big pins and tops using 22lr at 25 feet) though and seems skills will cross over. Subbed for all your varied content!
Hey Tim, this is Willy CHG from Facebook. You recently commented on my post in the USPSA, IPSC, IDPA… shooting group. Again thanks for the advice and sharing this link. My shot calling abilities aren’t that great. I still go too much by “feel”. I literally just installed a rear BUIS to my CO division gun’s Leupold DPP. At what yardage should I zero my BUIS for my CO gun ? The new back up rear sight has elevation and windage adjustments. Currently I have the red dot zeroed at 15/50 yards for a Sig P320 X5 Legion. What do you recommend I zero the BUIS at ? I tend to pull left on my shots when I miss alphas and hit Charlies or Deltas. The 60/40 grip I implemented for my most recent USPSA match helped correct my pull to the left by a lot. If I missed the alpha, I missed mainly low due to me over compensating with my recoil management. I believe my holds to be good for the 15/50 zero.
I zero all aiming devices (red dots or irons) at 25yds. As for grip pressures. I don’t use a “60/40”. Check out some of my other videos here for info on my thoughts about grip
Hey Tim, do you think dot shooters should be target or dot focused for competition? I train target focused for defense, but I believe Miculek says to be dot focused for competition?
This is great. One thing that was suggested as a drill is to take an old target that shot up and overlay it over a new target. Then score the back side of the new target. This prevents you from seeing your hits on target at closer range.
Yep, I use that as well. Especially when I may not be able to get the distance or when I want to maybe do this drill from a closer distance at a higher rate of speed
@@TimHerronShooting I'm finally learning to call shots. Its funny how its something that eluding me for a while and then I had this "aha" moment and now I can see everything all the time. However, one thing I'm still struggling with is doing something with the information. Especially now that I've shifted from Production to Carry Optics. Now that I don't have to be so round conscious, I'm finding it hard to shift to the mindset that I can afford to send another round at the target if I called a close delta, for example. Any advice you can give to train this or is this just a mind shift that will just happen as I shoot more hi-cap?
@@AlexanderSotelo it’s definitely a mindset issue. Being under a sort of falsehood that “because I have so many extra rounds, I don’t have to be as accountable”. I see many shooters go through this when they make the shift from locap to hicap divisions
"People make the mistake of trying to capture the moment as opposed to record the moment the sights lift."
Spot on, brother! Great video!
Now, if I can just figure out where I can buy 1.5 scale USPSA targets...
Hahahaha!! Thanks!
Haha. That target does look larger than normal size.
Thanks you! I've been working to get better for Practical Pistol.
It’s so crazy coming across this video, Tim. I was trying to explain this to my wife a few weeks ago on 6.03.23 when this started happening to me at the Rio grande pistol match at west side range. You probably don’t remember, but I think it was stage 1 there were two tuxedo targets far away (too far to confirm holes) but yet I knew I shot into the hardcover on the target so I took an extra shot. It was exactly as you described what shot calling is. I thought I just had a super power that awakened in me. 😂
Edit: actually that was the same time I first met you and helped setup your 3 stages in one thing. Maybe I got this power from you that day haha.
Tim, your class was top tier! Thank you!
I was taught to do this on the ROTC High School shooting team. Pay attention to sight picture, shoot, look in the scope, see where the bullet hit the target. Eventually, you can say, 8 ring at 8 o'clock, 7 ring at 9 o'clock etc.
The Mantis setup has really shown me my habits that cause me to miss or be less efficient. It's an expensive price of admission, but consistently seeing feedback from me heeling the gun has been helpful.
Thank you for clearing this up! I hear shot calling mentioned a lot and I totally understood it to be looking over the sights AFTER the shot to see where it went.
This was long, as it should have been. Best video on shot calling bar none 👍
That target is HUGE!
Fantastic way to learn how to call your shots! 💯
Excellent video. I didn't realize I should be witnessing my sights that closely. I will be honing my shot calling with this drill. Thank you sir!
I learned a lot from this video, thanks Tim! See you in March!
Thank you for breaking it down so well, another excellent video resource
Awesome video thank you very much Tim!!!! Sight picture movie makes peeeeerfect sense!!!!! A lot of movement happens between the time of that sight picture and trigger pull sometimes under speed and pressure from that timer! Thank you for taking the time to make this video god bless you brother!
Great video! Thanks Tim for keeping the THINKING in shooting! Especially in this day and age!
I liked the content and the comments were helpful too! Have been watching some of your vids and am sure I'm going to improve by practicing for precision shooting, I'm a new to the sport and local range mostly about IDPA matches, not something just to start with though. I have gotten involved with bowling pin shoots(alternates weekly with big pins and tops using 22lr at 25 feet) though and seems skills will cross over. Subbed for all your varied content!
One of the best videos I've seen on shot calling and truly understanding what our sights are doing.
Wow! Thank you so much!! I encourage everyone to share the link, spread the word...like/subscribe too!
Done!
Good video. The use of a movie instead of a picture was quite good. Also the "blending" was good. Might be useful to do a video with a plate rack.
You’re the best 🙌🏻
Great stuff !
As always, great info. Thanks!
Awesomeness as always my friend!
Excellent video! Thank you for posting this.
Thank you sir, excellent information. I learned!
Thanks for watching!
Awesome video, thank you!
Awesome explanation! Thanks!
Thank you Tim!
Outstanding explanation!
Thank you!
Great vid with awesome info.
Thank you
Thank you for the video! Where can i find those laminated example sights??
www.trainingsights.com/
@@TimHerronShooting Thank you!!!!
Hey Tim, this is Willy CHG from Facebook. You recently commented on my post in the USPSA, IPSC, IDPA… shooting group. Again thanks for the advice and sharing this link. My shot calling abilities aren’t that great. I still go too much by “feel”.
I literally just installed a rear BUIS to my CO division gun’s Leupold DPP. At what yardage should I zero my BUIS for my CO gun ? The new back up rear sight has elevation and windage adjustments. Currently I have the red dot zeroed at 15/50 yards for a Sig P320 X5 Legion.
What do you recommend I zero the BUIS at ? I tend to pull left on my shots when I miss alphas and hit Charlies or Deltas. The 60/40 grip I implemented for my most recent USPSA match helped correct my pull to the left by a lot. If I missed the alpha, I missed mainly low due to me over compensating with my recoil management. I believe my holds to be good for the 15/50 zero.
I zero all aiming devices (red dots or irons) at 25yds.
As for grip pressures. I don’t use a “60/40”. Check out some of my other videos here for info on my thoughts about grip
Hey Tim, do you think dot shooters should be target or dot focused for competition? I train target focused for defense, but I believe Miculek says to be dot focused for competition?
Target focused. It’s where the advantage is with a dot
@@TimHerronShooting Thanks!
What if you shoot 100% target focused?
I shoot primarily target focused. You still call your shots based on peripheral information received from the sights!
that's why red dots are amazing. Hope training is going well for you!
Man I’d love to train with you!
@@Street.Hermit I’d love to have you in a class!
I have good hits with the red dot, just need to get faster.
i searched this a while ago and got nothing. stupid yt