Exactly. How many people lack determination, discipline, focus and the ability to concentrate for long periods? Having that essentially makes you a very talented person. Unironically, it has much more applications than knowing how to play chess really well.
@@josephnewman713 of course but it's not something you either have or don't people have different levels of it. And when you're talking about chess GM's obviously most of them are very disciplined but compared to eachother one can be more disciplined
Some people are talented in chess, just as some can run faster than other naturally. At the top levels you have to be freakishly talented and have to work freakishly hard. Hikaru, Fabi, etc. must be proud to have accomplished what they have and yet they still look up and see Magnus above them must be hard.
People are a bit harsh on Dubov about this. In context he just wishes he could work as hard as Fabi as he thinks he could be as good as Fabi with that work.
It's still inane. It implies Fabi is working harder than everyone around him by a wide margin, which is an insult to the other top players. It just seems like Dubov believes he's seen through Fabi's game and imagines to himself that he could be Fabi if he just worked harder. Like an excuse to justify to Dubov's ego that there's a world where he's a top player instead of stuck on the fringes.
Fabi modulates his inner landscape more towards precision than intuition. You can even see it in his demeanour. In classical, that might be more beneficial.
I don't know how Dubov can know Fabi's level of talent... more likely Dubov has constructed an ideal in his mind that he needs and projects it onto Fabi
Fabiano is VERY sane and rational while being imaginative. That's a spectacular talent, it is hard to satisfy these conditions simultaneously. Fabi could easily be a scientist, which is impossible for other players at the moment. Dubov under appreciates sanity, and over appreciates finding moves over the board.
That's interesting because I would personally find the inverse to be more insulting. I would certainly perceive someone calling me an untalented hard worker as implying that they could be as good as me at anything if they bothered trying.
Obviously I can't contribute to a discussion of what happens with 2700+ players; I can say that Dubov is now communicating in his 2d language. Asking him to define with clarity in English is not quite fair IMHO
Normally, Hard work beats talent, but if you have talent, and you work hard, then you're unstoppable. For example Messi. He is talented but also works incredibly hard
I disagree with your take on Dubov. He clearly says that he admires the hard work that Fabi puts in, which is what makes him able to compete with the top guys, who may have better instincts than him. He doesn't seem salty and doesn't downplay fabis achievements.
There is such a thing as natural chess intuition and having a feel for where the pieces belong in certain positions, but it doesn't really count for very much once you get beyond a certain level. You can develop the same "feel" through years of training, and at the end of the day what really matters in classical chess is how well you calculate, as well as opening preparation. For Blitz and rapid, there probably is a dimension relating to speed of mental processing that gives certain players an edge, in the same way that height in basketball gives certain players a natural advantage, although it's hard to estimate the significance of this factor.
Capablanca was very good at blitz (just have a look at his St. Petersburg 1914 results) and is quite possibly STILL the most talented chess player to have ever played the game, perhaps there's some merit to the argument about blitz requiring more talent than preparation. He also, as far as I know, didn't receive any instruction, nor was he mentored, nor did he spend a lot of time preparing for his opponents. In fact, I've read in the past that he often didn't take his opponents seriously, for whatever that's worth. He was almost 100% purely natural talent. He was dubbed "The Chess Machine" for a reason.
Talented? Capablance was exposed to chess as a 2-3 yo and even before as he grasped the rules at an incredibly early age thanks to adults playing chess around him all the time. So if you equate practice with 'talent', then I'd agree.
@@nonchablunt if you could go from learning by watching your dad play (at the age of 4 he pointed out that his dad was making an illegal move which indicates that his dad wasn't any good at chess) all the way to beating the Cuban national champ in roughly 9 years (just before his 13th birthday) without the aid of books to study or any sort of coaching, everyone would be doing it. Practice only gets you so far. You need talent to compete at the highest levels.
Even in rapid and blitz you can develop intuition by hard work: play through and analyse thousands of games and you will surely develop a intuitive feeling for positions and good moves. Chess talent for me is the ability to calculate well, to be able to work very hard and to memorize many thousands of positions and understand what to do in those positions.
I think there is an objective criteria but very difficult to measure. Strength vs amount of time spent playing chess. Plot each on a graph and see who is above or below the trendline.
The talent of working very hard is everything you really need to thrive at a something. Unless you have some mental or physical disabillity that unables you. Considet what working hard is: Repetition, dedication, studyig, exploring, effort, filing, learning, going above and beyond the typical expectations and excel in something. Apply this to anything like: weight lifting, poker, chess, skateboarding, fighting, parenting, investing, middle level manegement, skiing etc. This is the only way to become good at something.
Hard work always outshines natural talent in most occasions. In chess it's more like a mix nowadays but yes, morphy was legendary. I would say morphy has a strong suit in both hard work ethics and natural talent.
When Dubov says talent, he must mean genius - producing strong moves that can't be produced by knowledge and reason alone. It's clear that a good memory and logical thinking are not part of what Dubov calls talent. He only has respect for what he cannot do himself. Dubov is damning with faint praise of course when he says that he has great respect for Curuana having come so far with so little "talent". He knows its unfair because everyone can only work with what he was given, but Dubov can't help but look down on it.
Guys fabi is number 3 in rapid at the moment and number 5 in blitz in the world ,what on earth is hikaru talking about ,hes behind fabi in rapid and fabiano has probably way more golds than hikaru in top rapid events .obviously live blitz is the most whatever format of the 3 but i see fabi way ahead of dubov in rating there as well so ....
@@ritikhans372 yea not to add that he became grandmaster at 14 and only handful of people were few months earlier at that moment so yea not very talented guy ...
The harder you practice, the more talented you get. - Not Gary Player Pattern recognition and any kind of chess idea can be practiced. Lost against an 11yo OTB yesterday who studies chess, while I just play it.
In football (soccer) the analogy would be comparimg players like Messi or Maradona with other top players. Some few can produce "wtf" moments that no amount of training can get others to produce, and it's this what he means. Of course, it's something that's hard to capture with metrics.
It depends. You would have to be sincere (it would involve our faith in believing in you) to reveal to us whether you really worked hard, studied for hours and hours or simply played and learned quickly. In addition, you would also have to demonstrate where you started from, what rating you had and prove it. In any case, this would have to be proven in face-to-face tournaments, since online, many are brilliant lions.
Hikaru turns the whole argument into Blitz vs classical. But I don't think it is like that if dubov says this he knows that fabi has most of his accomplishments in classical. The problem with Hikaru is always finding something to say that he is better than others. Which is clearly very sad to see. He is laughing when dubov is saying this. I mean what is this. And where does this perception come from that blitz players are more talented than classical. Then why being world champion in classical is more than being in rapid and blitz. And also why hikaru is not playing any classical event since candidates. Is he afraid of losing his rating.
Even Fabi himself knows that Dubov has no bad intention saying those words and Dubov himself said it's rather a kind of a compliment to Fabi. It's funny a lot of people take Dubov's words out of context, interpret it the wrong way, and then cry about it.
There a crazy incredible drummer with millions of subscribers on youtube who has mentioned in the past that he doesn't BELIEVE in talent, and that the only way he can playing as well as he does is relentless hard work. He dismisses the concept of talent out of hand.
Does dubov know exactly how many hours Fabi spent studying? No. Just because he wear glasses and looks nerdy and Dubov looks like a steet Russian gangster that doesn’t mean Fabi had to study more than dubov. True is no one knows shit. Dubov looks salty
Just my opinion. Working hard is a great talent (I'm a hardworker). But with respect to intuition in chess, Magnus and Hikaru are clearly better than Caruana.
I think Nepo is the most talented, he doesn’t like playing chess much, he doesn’t have the winning mentality like Kasparov, Magnus and he has put the least amount of work compare to other super GMs, wasting his time playing Dota
Nepo is the saltiest chess player, that one is for sure. Going around insinuating that Gukesh cheated in the Candidates. Anyone that beats him, he starts blaming that player of cheating.
I think it could have been better if Hikaru based his response to what Dubov means by "natural talent", and not by what Hikaru means by "natural talent". Because I get that Hikaru disagrees with Dubov's use of the word "natural talent", but he gets stuck analyzing what Dubov said according to his own definition of natural talent. But what do you think about the substance of what Dubov said? E.g. Caruanas ability to feel a position and calculate? The Convo seems a little sidetracked.
Dubov goes on to say that he thinks it is inspirational that someone without the best natural feel for position/tactics can ascend like Caruana has. I guess because to him, he can then say to himself that if he works 12 hours a day, he could ascend like Caruana. You can then agree or disagree that Dubov has the free will to be able to do that.
Cool video but really didnt need the background music, it sometimes overshadows hikaru's audio and is quite distracting from the video. Great video otherwise!
Hikaru saying lots of nonsense here. Dubov means natural talent which means natural aptitude to the game when we exclude other factors like hardwork or winner mentality.just like some people are stronger natural while others just train hard to get that strong. Also hikaru said another nonsense about that if we exclude any access to any engines etc then morphy is by far the best because he didn't have access? This is another logical fallacy. No . Murphy could or could not be the best because we don't know if there qre people today who can overcome him if they didn't have any access to engines.
@susbedo9258 wtf are you talking about, the whole subject of discussion involved him separating the two. And even if you can argue that hard work is part of natural talent, the definitions and semantics are irrelevant to the spirit of the point he is making
Dubov's right to be salty. Engine prep has ruined chess. Magnus says this all the time too. The fact that "he can do it too" doesn't remedy this problem.
What line? There are millions of lines, he who has greater positional understanding, calculation and intuition will always win like Magnus does, he has a clear talent in all that. Then Dubov is the most creative player, his game is an art. Caruana is more about memorization and preparation than others, but his calculation and understanding is insane too, he is the most professional chess player in the world. Any that’s why he is the second best after Magnus
@@mr.nobody2515 bro the questioned is about the untalented people. I'm saying that untalented people (which is the people that don't have talent in chess) can win games if they study things like opening and its variation. That's what I meant by line.
Garry Kasparov (who was supremly talented) said this about "hard work vs. talent": "the ability to work hard is itself a talent".
Exactly. How many people lack determination, discipline, focus and the ability to concentrate for long periods? Having that essentially makes you a very talented person. Unironically, it has much more applications than knowing how to play chess really well.
Exceptional self discipline is also a talent. Some people seem to be naturally much better at that than others.
If I could choose any talent in this world to steal, it would be Cristiano Ronaldo's self discipline. With that I can do anything.
Yeah to get better at something you need discipline.
Discipline, work ethic, and determination are talents required to become elite in any field.
@@josephnewman713 of course but it's not something you either have or don't people have different levels of it. And when you're talking about chess GM's obviously most of them are very disciplined but compared to eachother one can be more disciplined
It’s like in school when people would get mad at the student that gets an A on the exam as a “try hard” lol
Yeah yeah indeed lmao 😂😂
He actually meant it as a compliment so I see no problem in that
Lol I never met people like that. Sounds like losers.
Some people are talented in chess, just as some can run faster than other naturally. At the top levels you have to be freakishly talented and have to work freakishly hard. Hikaru, Fabi, etc. must be proud to have accomplished what they have and yet they still look up and see Magnus above them must be hard.
Fabiano's speaking is very eloquent
People are a bit harsh on Dubov about this. In context he just wishes he could work as hard as Fabi as he thinks he could be as good as Fabi with that work.
But he did not say it like that. We cannot know what he really meant.
It's still inane. It implies Fabi is working harder than everyone around him by a wide margin, which is an insult to the other top players.
It just seems like Dubov believes he's seen through Fabi's game and imagines to himself that he could be Fabi if he just worked harder. Like an excuse to justify to Dubov's ego that there's a world where he's a top player instead of stuck on the fringes.
Fabi modulates his inner landscape more towards precision than intuition. You can even see it in his demeanour. In classical, that might be more beneficial.
Natural talent + hard work + dedication is required to become elite in any discipline.
all about confidence and hard work
The way Hikaru and Fabi instantly spot and correct the flaw in Dubov’s argument clearly shows that their intelligence is well above Dubov’s.
The infinite reaction loop
I don't know how Dubov can know Fabi's level of talent... more likely Dubov has constructed an ideal in his mind that he needs and projects it onto Fabi
Fabiano is VERY sane and rational while being imaginative. That's a spectacular talent, it is hard to satisfy these conditions simultaneously. Fabi could easily be a scientist, which is impossible for other players at the moment. Dubov under appreciates sanity, and over appreciates finding moves over the board.
Bro cooked Fabi with that thumbnail 😭
According to Hiakru
Being world champion in
Classical ❌
Blitz ✅
According to hikaru it should be! Wow this is insane.
If you are motivated by the loss that is a winner's mentality
I have always found it borderline insulting when people call me talented at something that I have worked hard to be good at.
That's interesting because I would personally find the inverse to be more insulting. I would certainly perceive someone calling me an untalented hard worker as implying that they could be as good as me at anything if they bothered trying.
Obviously I can't contribute to a discussion of what happens with 2700+ players; I can say that Dubov is now communicating in his 2d language. Asking him to define with clarity in English is not quite fair IMHO
Normally, Hard work beats talent, but if you have talent, and you work hard, then you're unstoppable. For example Messi. He is talented but also works incredibly hard
Diabolical thumbnail
The problem is ego. That some were not mentioned.
Hikaru are you taken?
Not in the past 5 minutes
He is
No, he is Captured
takes takes takes
queen e2
“Like… I cannot do this” is a great compliment
I am proud to anounce i will upload my personal reaction to this reaction of the reaction of that interview!
I disagree with your take on Dubov. He clearly says that he admires the hard work that Fabi puts in, which is what makes him able to compete with the top guys, who may have better instincts than him. He doesn't seem salty and doesn't downplay fabis achievements.
Remember that Dubov is a disciple of Morozevich who is also a "Chess Purist"
There is such a thing as natural chess intuition and having a feel for where the pieces belong in certain positions, but it doesn't really count for very much once you get beyond a certain level. You can develop the same "feel" through years of training, and at the end of the day what really matters in classical chess is how well you calculate, as well as opening preparation. For Blitz and rapid, there probably is a dimension relating to speed of mental processing that gives certain players an edge, in the same way that height in basketball gives certain players a natural advantage, although it's hard to estimate the significance of this factor.
Capablanca was very good at blitz (just have a look at his St. Petersburg 1914 results) and is quite possibly STILL the most talented chess player to have ever played the game, perhaps there's some merit to the argument about blitz requiring more talent than preparation. He also, as far as I know, didn't receive any instruction, nor was he mentored, nor did he spend a lot of time preparing for his opponents. In fact, I've read in the past that he often didn't take his opponents seriously, for whatever that's worth. He was almost 100% purely natural talent. He was dubbed "The Chess Machine" for a reason.
Talented? Capablance was exposed to chess as a 2-3 yo and even before as he grasped the rules at an incredibly early age thanks to adults playing chess around him all the time. So if you equate practice with 'talent', then I'd agree.
@@nonchablunt if you could go from learning by watching your dad play (at the age of 4 he pointed out that his dad was making an illegal move which indicates that his dad wasn't any good at chess) all the way to beating the Cuban national champ in roughly 9 years (just before his 13th birthday) without the aid of books to study or any sort of coaching, everyone would be doing it. Practice only gets you so far. You need talent to compete at the highest levels.
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I can smell beef cooking... Hmm..
You should eat pee😂😂😂
Even in rapid and blitz you can develop intuition by hard work: play through and analyse thousands of games and you will surely develop a intuitive feeling for positions and good moves. Chess talent for me is the ability to calculate well, to be able to work very hard and to memorize many thousands of positions and understand what to do in those positions.
19:14 "Maybe Maybe"😂😂
Would like to see Dubov at the Freestyle 960 tournaments next year.
The "talent" is just memorization and logic.
Dubov is just jealous he's 37 and fabi is 4
4?? he is wold no 2 i think
@@ritikhans372 no
Oct ranking is
Magnus hikaru arjun fabiano
@@lammatt ooh ok live rating he is no 2
I think there is an objective criteria but very difficult to measure. Strength vs amount of time spent playing chess. Plot each on a graph and see who is above or below the trendline.
Fabi is the Rock Lee of chess. He is a genius at working hard.
vishy and fabi the most hard working
The talent of working very hard is everything you really need to thrive at a something. Unless you have some mental or physical disabillity that unables you.
Considet what working hard is: Repetition, dedication, studyig, exploring, effort, filing, learning, going above and beyond the typical expectations and excel in something.
Apply this to anything like: weight lifting, poker, chess, skateboarding, fighting, parenting, investing, middle level manegement, skiing etc. This is the only way to become good at something.
Dubov is right... Fabi and Hikaru should listen carefully, among the 3 only Dubov is world champion!!
Dude blasting Wesley? Oh no no no no no.
That thumb is criminal
Hard work always outshines natural talent in most occasions. In chess it's more like a mix nowadays but yes, morphy was legendary. I would say morphy has a strong suit in both hard work ethics and natural talent.
Somebody tell Hikaru when he is reacting to stuff we will watch the video even if it is 40+ minutes
Hikaru is full of "pick me" energy. In a fairer world, he'd be Hikari.
When Dubov says talent, he must mean genius - producing strong moves that can't be produced by knowledge and reason alone. It's clear that a good memory and logical thinking are not part of what Dubov calls talent. He only has respect for what he cannot do himself. Dubov is damning with faint praise of course when he says that he has great respect for Curuana having come so far with so little "talent". He knows its unfair because everyone can only work with what he was given, but Dubov can't help but look down on it.
Guys fabi is number 3 in rapid at the moment and number 5 in blitz in the world ,what on earth is hikaru talking about ,hes behind fabi in rapid and fabiano has probably way more golds than hikaru in top rapid events .obviously live blitz is the most whatever format of the 3 but i see fabi way ahead of dubov in rating there as well so ....
yaah now fabi is good in all 3 formats
@@ritikhans372 yea not to add that he became grandmaster at 14 and only handful of people were few months earlier at that moment so yea not very talented guy ...
@@alexkontogiannis3520”not to add that” - but you did add that
There’s not a lot of rated rapid tournaments
The harder you practice, the more talented you get. - Not Gary Player
Pattern recognition and any kind of chess idea can be practiced. Lost against an 11yo OTB yesterday who studies chess, while I just play it.
In football (soccer) the analogy would be comparimg players like Messi or Maradona with other top players. Some few can produce "wtf" moments that no amount of training can get others to produce, and it's this what he means. Of course, it's something that's hard to capture with metrics.
Dubov has that Hollywood russian english accent
Oh man this is an inception, reacting to a reaction 🤯
Talent can be measured somewhat by the speed one learns or absorbs the skill in question.
We're getting a cold war in chess.
Oh not the chess nonsense again 😭
Chess 'instincts' are just pattern recognition and the ability to calculate. All of which can be trained.
If I get 2300 online in 8 month it's hard work or what
That’s insane talent. Do you just play a lot or do you study a lot as well??
It depends. You would have to be sincere (it would involve our faith in believing in you) to reveal to us whether you really worked hard, studied for hours and hours or simply played and learned quickly. In addition, you would also have to demonstrate where you started from, what rating you had and prove it. In any case, this would have to be proven in face-to-face tournaments, since online, many are brilliant lions.
@@tristanmcfolley346 Yes I study chess and play every day
I guess Chess960 strength is more related to natural talent than rapid and blitz compared to classical.
If lack of preparation is the key to talent then chess 960 is the best metric.
Hikaru turns the whole argument into Blitz vs classical. But I don't think it is like that if dubov says this he knows that fabi has most of his accomplishments in classical.
The problem with Hikaru is always finding something to say that he is better than others. Which is clearly very sad to see. He is laughing when dubov is saying this. I mean what is this. And where does this perception come from that blitz players are more talented than classical. Then why being world champion in classical is more than being in rapid and blitz.
And also why hikaru is not playing any classical event since candidates. Is he afraid of losing his rating.
Fabi vs Dubov would be an awesome chess boxing match. As ridiculous as chess boxing is…
Do it with less time control and fisher random it will be more fun :v
Fabi top 5 in blitz rating though. I think its just a personality thing. Fabi looks like he works hard and Magnus looks like he does not.
Fast learners vs Hardworkers
Even Fabi himself knows that Dubov has no bad intention saying those words and Dubov himself said it's rather a kind of a compliment to Fabi. It's funny a lot of people take Dubov's words out of context, interpret it the wrong way, and then cry about it.
Ikr
4:04 - he kind of gave up the game when he qualified talent as "moves I don't understand" or that blow him away or whatever
There a crazy incredible drummer with millions of subscribers on youtube who has mentioned in the past that he doesn't BELIEVE in talent, and that the only way he can playing as well as he does is relentless hard work. He dismisses the concept of talent out of hand.
Wouldn’t Fischer random be the best way to determine talent?
Does dubov know exactly how many hours Fabi spent studying? No. Just because he wear glasses and looks nerdy and Dubov looks like a steet Russian gangster that doesn’t mean Fabi had to study more than dubov. True is no one knows shit. Dubov looks salty
You never reach top 4 with hard work alone. NEVER. In top 4 you still must be far more talented than 99,999% on the planet.
Can't wait to see what 5000's AI will bring to the game. =)
Just my opinion. Working hard is a great talent (I'm a hardworker). But with respect to intuition in chess, Magnus and Hikaru are clearly better than Caruana.
Lets not forget that Hikaru does not care at the end of the day - its just a game :)
I think Nepo is the most talented, he doesn’t like playing chess much, he doesn’t have the winning mentality like Kasparov, Magnus and he has put the least amount of work compare to other super GMs, wasting his time playing Dota
Best in crying-this I will agree 😂
Nepo is the saltiest chess player, that one is for sure. Going around insinuating that Gukesh cheated in the Candidates. Anyone that beats him, he starts blaming that player of cheating.
Magnus is the most talented player in history,nepo is not even in top 10
Sam Shankland exists so yeah.
Hikaru, you may not be number one in the world, but you are number one in my heart.
Is Dubov taking about freestyle chess?
Hi Hijaru yoy are my favorite chess player of all time..❤Today is my birthday,hope you have a great day!
You are him 🔥❤
I think it could have been better if Hikaru based his response to what Dubov means by "natural talent", and not by what Hikaru means by "natural talent". Because I get that Hikaru disagrees with Dubov's use of the word "natural talent", but he gets stuck analyzing what Dubov said according to his own definition of natural talent. But what do you think about the substance of what Dubov said? E.g. Caruanas ability to feel a position and calculate? The Convo seems a little sidetracked.
Dubov goes on to say that he thinks it is inspirational that someone without the best natural feel for position/tactics can ascend like Caruana has. I guess because to him, he can then say to himself that if he works 12 hours a day, he could ascend like Caruana. You can then agree or disagree that Dubov has the free will to be able to do that.
Hans is the best
Nakmura the best online player never got gold otb in rapid and blitz
Intresting
You noob Magnus is tye best ever online player and otb player in blitz and bullet both,2 is alireza then comes hikaru,don't utter nonsense
Hikaru can you react to Danya reacting to you reacting to his Kramnik cheating claims.
Please, we need a comment, on the comment, on the comment, this time by magnus, and then dubov answers to all and the loop starts again.
Everything is luck. It's fine.
Cool video but really didnt need the background music, it sometimes overshadows hikaru's audio and is quite distracting from the video.
Great video otherwise!
Hikaru saying lots of nonsense here. Dubov means natural talent which means natural aptitude to the game when we exclude other factors like hardwork or winner mentality.just like some people are stronger natural while others just train hard to get that strong.
Also hikaru said another nonsense about that if we exclude any access to any engines etc then morphy is by far the best because he didn't have access? This is another logical fallacy. No . Murphy could or could not be the best because we don't know if there qre people today who can overcome him if they didn't have any access to engines.
No, hikaru was right.
That's clearly not what Dubov was saying. 😅
@@CheddarChess-ft7hj right about what exactly
@susbedo9258 wtf are you talking about, the whole subject of discussion involved him separating the two. And even if you can argue that hard work is part of natural talent, the definitions and semantics are irrelevant to the spirit of the point he is making
Im self trained I watch gothamchess thats where i learn lol
Dubov's right to be salty. Engine prep has ruined chess. Magnus says this all the time too. The fact that "he can do it too" doesn't remedy this problem.
Is it true that Fabi has 170 IQ or just BS?
anything iq related is bs
Probably
Young Fabi is better than young Dupov so he's just wrong
IM HERE
dubov is unlikeable, yes.
He and Hans are going for the same edgelord vibe
first❤❤, I like your chess skills❤
Nice
Anyone can win at chess. You just gotta keep studying the line. Like what Bobby fischer said, chess (Rapid) is about memorization.
Hello holy beauty
Its not all memorization
Instincts is kind of okay too
What line? There are millions of lines, he who has greater positional understanding, calculation and intuition will always win like Magnus does, he has a clear talent in all that. Then Dubov is the most creative player, his game is an art. Caruana is more about memorization and preparation than others, but his calculation and understanding is insane too, he is the most professional chess player in the world. Any that’s why he is the second best after Magnus
@@mr.nobody2515 bro the questioned is about the untalented people. I'm saying that untalented people (which is the people that don't have talent in chess) can win games if they study things like opening and its variation. That's what I meant by line.
@@mr.nobody2515second best?
Magnus first best?
Bro
I'm at the top
I'm better than magnus bruh frfr
14th
first
@@hthebadman no your not, I am😁
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why do i see this everywhere. explain.
Hes refeering to me.....@@fish-rm6xl