Ah, the USS Wolverine, originally designed (not far from where I live) by the legendary Frank Kirby. Learning to fly from her had still another intrinsic advantage: if you missed the flight deck and crashed in the water, you wouldn't be eaten by shark (as we all know, fresh water sharks are vegetarians)!
Real Aircraft Carriers (with lifts, hangers and float on salt water) have Destroyers acting as plane guards in case a pilot does happen to crash into the water. These two used Coast Guard Patrol Boats.
9:43 I’m fascinated by these two ships. They are horrible at both the carrier and battleship roles. I think where the Ise “might”, emphasis on might, be useful is as a convoy or expeditionary escort. Or even take a leaf out of HMS unicorn and use them as a forward aviation support ship. In real life, the Ise & Hyuga were used mostly for transport and perhaps that’s where they actually have a role. Put enough big guns - maybe just the four in A/B turrets - to scare off most cruisers and surface raiders and provide naval gunfire support, a flight deck and then underneath the flight deck a bunch of of stores, workshops or other things to support whatever operation they’ve been tasked. You put a small air group of 6-8 zeros for limited air defence and call it a day. As you said though, is this the answer to the right question? And, what ships do you convert (because presumably you’re not taking up dock space building one from scratch)? The fun part is that these ships seem only really useful on the offensive, or at least on the edge of a logistics train. So the Japanese would get the most use out of them in ‘42 - well before any needed war conversions. Given the crewing issues mentioned, perhaps they’d have been better off doing the conversions before the war.
just getting in and not getting wet is great progress in a coracle, the boat with a mind of its on. one of the reason i learned to sail was an aversion to rowing. Fight the wind and currents or use them?
So glad to see the K class subs from WWI on the list. British ingenuity sure tried to leapfrog ahead in new innovations but this one just had too many holes to plug before it could dive safely. The crews suffered too, if i recall correctly, because they were rated as sufficient for crews to remain on board when in port. Thanks for a great video.
The Captain to Crew: Attention all sailors we shall be abandoning ship immediately ! Number One: I’m sorry Captain sir did I miss something ? Why are we…..? Captain: Shush Number One I’m making an important announcement and maybe you should pay attention too unless you want to get left behind. Number One: But please Captain there’s no reason to abandon this vessel Captain: Well you see I think there’s no point in denying it, I’m certain that at some point we’ll be stopping at sea in enemy territory…you know engines full stop and all. And I thought it’s almost 100% that we will get torpedoed by a submarine so I just thought what the heck let’s save us all some time and agony and just abandon ship now. Number One: Oh yeah that does make sense I’ll start preparations
58:00 Someone from a telecommunication company - a few years back - when there was some "excitement" in the Middle East said, that whenever warships sail up and down there, a lot of undersee optic cables get cut and they are flooded with error messages and have to reroute a shipload of data.
53:00 Even if one can float an involuntarily semi-submersible into a sub "barge carrier on steroids" 😇 - she can raise them, water flows out, holes can be patched by welding crew, off she goes - even if on on her own power, NOW can be towed. Like arriving into a port with three damage vessels, one repaired, with some luck, she can tow the other "at least floating safely" one and te third one can be carried on the deck to a proper port, with dockspace.
I think that the correct term is not inside loading but dry loading as the gun house was in part a free flood area and the water from submerged would have to be clear of water before loading could commence. Kind regards
A submarine sinking USS Wolverine would be absolutely hilarious lol. The St. Lawrence Seaway wasn't completed until the late 1950s. So it would simply that *somehow* they've not just reached the great lakes, but that they went to the effort of either building a massive series of canals to allow ships passage from the Atlantic to the Great lakes or that they build an entire shipyard capable of building submarines on it.
There were scares and people reporting smuggling mini subs / crewed torpedoes to the great lakes... all twaddle of course, but it did provide interesting fodder for what if history & the FBI + Mounties
Regarding the Novgorod's compound engines - how much of that was also imposed by/taking advantage of the circular hull form? Yes, you could build up the superstructure to accommodate the vertical aspects of the more traditionally arranged expansion engines, but wouldn't that negate some of the advantages in low profile and draft that the circular hull was supposed to give these ships? And I agree with you 100% about Wolverine & Sable - they are wonderfully cool ships. Paddlewheel, coal-fired, aircraft carriers.
Thanks for another great video, good Doctor. As for submarines using raised periscopes on the surface to aim large caliber guns, is not any pitch and roll of the submarine emphasized by the length of the periscope making ranging extraordinarily difficult? Thanks!
just because you want to. I am trying to sell some property in West Virginia, great way to spend the day. Some people took a cram course pass a test and hang out a shingle.
1:00:00 More importantly than not needing to refuel - the Seeadler still had a crowd to blend in. Nowadays - even putting aside the various online and offline databases - there is not a flock of sailships to blend in ... Well, maybe in the "brown and green" waters of the Far East, but those junks are of moderate size.
Dr. Clarke, did that fictional reference for Surcouf happen to be ’Strike from the Sea’ by Douglas Reeman? I remember reading that when I was in middle school.
Regarding cruiser submarines, I would like to complain that neither Surcouf nor the K class are actually good examples. Surcouf because her oversized all-forward guns make her an outlier - 6" guns fore and aft were more common. K class because they were simply designed for a completely different job than any other cruiser sumarine.
All the body and fender work there in when the vessel should be hauled an be repaired to the point they are insurable. Destroyer Drivers can't park, all the navy's in the world destroyers replacing waterline shell plate is an item (work order) on the 4 year inspection.
Yeh I dunno about the Boka Vanguard picking up a Ford class Carrier ......... The seaman in me would certainly use a stronger adjective than "interesting"
Ok, three things. First, Battle Carriers. Did you forget the HMS GLORIOUS, the HMS COURAGEOUS, and most especially the HMS FURIOUS? The FURIOUS in its first incarnation had a flight deck on the stern, and a gun turret near the bow. Now granted, that turret only carried a single gun, but still. Second, this was about Odd Ships designs that actually work. I would strongly argue that the Russian circular ships did not actually work. A lot of the other ships on this video were exceedingly odd, but they did actually work. I would argue that the Russian circular ships did not. Third. USS WOLVERINE and USS SABLE. While everything you stated was correct, you did perhaps miss one of the most unusual things about those ships. Their boiler were fueled by COAL! That make them even more odd in my mind.
How many years has it been? And I'm still wondering what makes carrier--battleships/destroyers/cruisers etc. work in space while they don't work in the sea. Generally. I can see an argument for a space carrier with many other armaments (though perhaps blurring the line between spacecraft carrier and missile carrier) that is the size of an island. In that case your ship is both carrier and airbase, and probably more. Either way, I like knowing your opinions because the subject of space war boggles my mind and breaks all sorts of rules and assumptions.
57:30 Singapore is building a huge stonking solar plant in Australia and are going to run an extension cord all the way to Singapore ........... Australia can't nay correction won't do the same 🤦
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Ah, the USS Wolverine, originally designed (not far from where I live) by the legendary Frank Kirby. Learning to fly from her had still another intrinsic advantage: if you missed the flight deck and crashed in the water, you wouldn't be eaten by shark (as we all know, fresh water sharks are vegetarians)!
What if they run into a particularly angry muskie?
Make certain they count their fingers and toes after being rescued!@@rwaitt14153
Real Aircraft Carriers (with lifts, hangers and float on salt water) have Destroyers acting as plane guards in case a pilot does happen to crash into the water. These two used Coast Guard Patrol Boats.
@@rwaitt14153That's what the depth charges are for.
Great follow up to the live, the ships are interesting.
9:43 I’m fascinated by these two ships. They are horrible at both the carrier and battleship roles.
I think where the Ise “might”, emphasis on might, be useful is as a convoy or expeditionary escort. Or even take a leaf out of HMS unicorn and use them as a forward aviation support ship.
In real life, the Ise & Hyuga were used mostly for transport and perhaps that’s where they actually have a role.
Put enough big guns - maybe just the four in A/B turrets - to scare off most cruisers and surface raiders and provide naval gunfire support, a flight deck and then underneath the flight deck a bunch of of stores, workshops or other things to support whatever operation they’ve been tasked.
You put a small air group of 6-8 zeros for limited air defence and call it a day.
As you said though, is this the answer to the right question? And, what ships do you convert (because presumably you’re not taking up dock space building one from scratch)?
The fun part is that these ships seem only really useful on the offensive, or at least on the edge of a logistics train. So the Japanese would get the most use out of them in ‘42 - well before any needed war conversions. Given the crewing issues mentioned, perhaps they’d have been better off doing the conversions before the war.
just getting in and not getting wet is great progress in a coracle, the boat with a mind of its on. one of the reason i learned to sail was an aversion to rowing. Fight the wind and currents or use them?
So glad to see the K class subs from WWI on the list. British ingenuity sure tried to leapfrog ahead in new innovations but this one just had too many holes to plug before it could dive safely. The crews suffered too, if i recall correctly, because they were rated as sufficient for crews to remain on board when in port. Thanks for a great video.
The Captain to Crew: Attention all sailors we shall be abandoning ship immediately !
Number One: I’m sorry Captain sir did I miss something ? Why are we…..?
Captain: Shush Number One I’m making an important announcement and maybe you should pay attention too unless you want to get left behind.
Number One: But please Captain there’s no reason to abandon this vessel
Captain: Well you see I think there’s no point in denying it, I’m certain that at some point we’ll be stopping at sea in enemy territory…you know engines full stop and all. And I thought it’s almost 100% that we will get torpedoed by a submarine so I just thought what the heck let’s save us all some time and agony and just abandon ship now.
Number One: Oh yeah that does make sense I’ll start preparations
58:00 Someone from a telecommunication company - a few years back - when there was some "excitement" in the Middle East said, that whenever warships sail up and down there, a lot of undersee optic cables get cut and they are flooded with error messages and have to reroute a shipload of data.
I am quite fond of the wind server offshore support vessel. I my of nearly crashed when I saw it the first time of Colwyn Bay.
Dock/lift ship has taken over from floating d seems like a lot of overhang gets more stable as ballast increases, not less
Weird and Wonderful boats are all a mix of both
woot. Chicago. 1:01:20
Also, if someone snuck onto the Great Lakes, the Coast Guard would feel very silly and then they would be sad.
53:00 Even if one can float an involuntarily semi-submersible into a sub "barge carrier on steroids" 😇 - she can raise them, water flows out, holes can be patched by welding crew, off she goes - even if on on her own power, NOW can be towed. Like arriving into a port with three damage vessels, one repaired, with some luck, she can tow the other "at least floating safely" one and te third one can be carried on the deck to a proper port, with dockspace.
Very good thank you, like the Wolferne!
I think that the correct term is not inside loading but dry loading as the gun house was in part a free flood area and the water from submerged would have to be clear of water before loading could commence. Kind regards
That opening minute and 30 seconds should be the introduction video for the channel.
I'm scot known for being tighter than a bulls tail in fly time. . See you can say things more quickly
A submarine sinking USS Wolverine would be absolutely hilarious lol. The St. Lawrence Seaway wasn't completed until the late 1950s. So it would simply that *somehow* they've not just reached the great lakes, but that they went to the effort of either building a massive series of canals to allow ships passage from the Atlantic to the Great lakes or that they build an entire shipyard capable of building submarines on it.
There were scares and people reporting smuggling mini subs / crewed torpedoes to the great lakes... all twaddle of course, but it did provide interesting fodder for what if history & the FBI + Mounties
bait, hiding in the islands, float fighters were deadly to transports. Early Warning prepositioned assets?
Regarding the Novgorod's compound engines - how much of that was also imposed by/taking advantage of the circular hull form?
Yes, you could build up the superstructure to accommodate the vertical aspects of the more traditionally arranged expansion engines, but wouldn't that negate some of the advantages in low profile and draft that the circular hull was supposed to give these ships?
And I agree with you 100% about Wolverine & Sable - they are wonderfully cool ships. Paddlewheel, coal-fired, aircraft carriers.
Thanks for another great video, good Doctor. As for submarines using raised periscopes on the surface to aim large caliber guns, is not any pitch and roll of the submarine emphasized by the length of the periscope making ranging extraordinarily difficult? Thanks!
one ship can cover an inactive front or a distant choke point.
just because you want to. I am trying to sell some property in West Virginia, great way to spend the day. Some people took a cram course pass a test and hang out a shingle.
Thought perhaps this might include the Glomar Explorer.
1:00:00 More importantly than not needing to refuel - the Seeadler still had a crowd to blend in. Nowadays - even putting aside the various online and offline databases - there is not a flock of sailships to blend in ... Well, maybe in the "brown and green" waters of the Far East, but those junks are of moderate size.
18:00 I want to build a ship that fits the Ramform [XXX] as a bow for a SUPER-Eskimo with detachable bow…
Seeadler is NOT pronounced "Seedler" but as "Say Adler" meaning "Sea Eagle". Its a Germanic way of combining words into one word (We Dutch do it too)
BZ, thanks!
Dr. Clarke, did that fictional reference for Surcouf happen to be ’Strike from the Sea’ by Douglas Reeman? I remember reading that when I was in middle school.
Regarding cruiser submarines, I would like to complain that neither Surcouf nor the K class are actually good examples.
Surcouf because her oversized all-forward guns make her an outlier - 6" guns fore and aft were more common.
K class because they were simply designed for a completely different job than any other cruiser sumarine.
All the body and fender work there in when the vessel should be hauled an be repaired to the point they are insurable. Destroyer Drivers can't park, all the navy's in the world destroyers replacing waterline shell plate is an item (work order) on the 4 year inspection.
Douglas Reeman’s book, perhaps?
Yeh I dunno about the Boka Vanguard picking up a Ford class Carrier ......... The seaman in me would certainly use a stronger adjective than "interesting"
If someone wants you to buy anything expensive without being able to see it that is definitely a RED FLAG.
Ok, three things. First, Battle Carriers. Did you forget the HMS GLORIOUS, the HMS COURAGEOUS, and most especially the HMS FURIOUS? The FURIOUS in its first incarnation had a flight deck on the stern, and a gun turret near the bow. Now granted, that turret only carried a single gun, but still.
Second, this was about Odd Ships designs that actually work. I would strongly argue that the Russian circular ships did not actually work. A lot of the other ships on this video were exceedingly odd, but they did actually work. I would argue that the Russian circular ships did not.
Third. USS WOLVERINE and USS SABLE. While everything you stated was correct, you did perhaps miss one of the most unusual things about those ships. Their boiler were fueled by COAL! That make them even more odd in my mind.
Uhhh furious had the turret in the stern and the flying off deck on the bow.
navigation by satellite drive with your phone. never mind the unintended consequences, such as hitting a mark dead on in the dark?
river boats all over the Us rivers use a Walking beam engines
How many years has it been? And I'm still wondering what makes carrier--battleships/destroyers/cruisers etc. work in space while they don't work in the sea. Generally. I can see an argument for a space carrier with many other armaments (though perhaps blurring the line between spacecraft carrier and missile carrier) that is the size of an island. In that case your ship is both carrier and airbase, and probably more. Either way, I like knowing your opinions because the subject of space war boggles my mind and breaks all sorts of rules and assumptions.
57:30 Singapore is building a huge stonking solar plant in Australia and are going to run an extension cord all the way to Singapore ........... Australia can't nay correction won't do the same 🤦
Wier and Wonderful was my byline in boats and harbors Addagizine you see it in contractors offices. an Industry yellow pages. Marine salvage
Submarines operate on a different plane.
Ramforms??? Nothing rolls like a Ramform. If you want to walk into something get a job on one, nobody can ever predict which way they'll roll next
too quiet