San Francisco's Millennium Tower owners could face $10k fine for open windows
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- Owners of the troubled Millennium Tower could soon face hefty fines -- simply for leaving their windows open at the wrong time. Jaxon Van Derbeken has the latest.
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Pay millions of dollars for an apartment and you can't open your windows because they weren't built good enough.
And can't take a normal shit.
Developers made their money now the residents have to hold the bag. In the business community this would be seen as brilliant. Their profits were maximized, and they still get endless customers going forwards due to plausible deniability. Capitalism at its best
@@xx133. This isn’t capitalism. This is socialism/communism…the rich get richer and nothing gets taken care of….just like all those buildings in China and Venezuela. China citizens can’t even trust their elevators and escalators won’t kill them because maintenance is never done to keep them running properly and many have fallen to their deaths or been swallowed up by the mechanism running it. Bridges and buildings keep collapsing because of poor work and builders using the cheapest materials. Many products are made poorly…costing consumers tons of money to constantly replace them…they even put plastics and other harmful materials in their food to make money off customers. And if you don’t know all of this…you are really dumb.
@@xx133 winner winner chicken dinner!
The fine only applies when you put it during high winds. Very reasonable
This fucking building shouldn’t have even been built
The problem was that developers forgoing the $4 million dollar drilling to bedrock, hence the lean, then spending about $500 million to fixing the issue.
@@AneudiD78 I would say they screwed up some engineering analysis before the project started. It's not always necessary to go to bedrock and there are probably hundreds of highrises on friction piles that you never hear anything about because they don't have this problem. Shit happens. That said, they screwed themselves over horrendously and if it was only $4 million extra to go to bedrock it sounds like pretty cheap insurance.
@@AneudiD78 ding, ding, ding!!! All these "fixes" won't work.
@@someguy6075when you want to go cheap this is what happens. New York City has its own “millennium tower” that’s tilting to its side and isn’t even finished, all because the developers didn’t want to spend the money for a stronger foundation
knew that before they started. wtf.
Wealthy people with slumlord problems.
Owned by China 😂😂😂
@@ArtVandalay-ly2sino it’s not, and the capitalists are the ones to point fingers at, not the residents. Realize that the owners there are living there they aren’t landlords, that renters living there aren’t owners. The problem is capitalism and wealth distribution overall, not necessarily wealthy individuals.
@@xx133 have you seen china's condos? LOL
@@timg2973 yes, actually. What does that have to do with this story?
Couldn't think of a better victim.😅😅😅
What a freaking money pit. I can’t imagine anyone wanting to buy a unit in this building.
The real problem is no one can sell out because no one wants to buy into this mess. The owners are stuck with it.
A lot of people bought in before it was complete too
But have you seen the view!
Its a giant scam
Might be another 10-15 years before they can figure out how to properly stop the tilting/sinking and another 5 to implement it. Until then, those who own condos there own real estate with market value of $0.
If this was Japan, they would have already deconstructed the tower and addressed the issue.
Well we aren't in Tokyo anymore Toto.
@@writerconsidered😂😂😂 I was gonna say something similar
@writerconsidered Exactly, the standards here are low.
In Japan they have like 2.5 apartments for each person. All the old ppl are dying and the young ppl either dont have kids or move to another country. There population is shrinking fast.
@@IanWilkinson-c4b What does that have to do with the issue of construction standards?
That building needs to be condemned.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
@@Jeffrey-s9nits obvious that you dont know what youre talking about
C'mon maaan. If Pisa can have their tilting tower, why San Francisco can't?
This tower is an absolute curse at this point lmao
Makes me wonder why people are still living in it
Probably because they can't sell them. Who'd want to live there knowingly with all those issues?
The ground is not steady. @@tubby_1278
If nothing else horror films could be shot there.
Not cursed just poor engineering from the beginning 😅
It's not funny
Total BS. They should just tear this thing down already.
@@kamuelalee who are the they you’re talking about did you know that tearing down building is expensive?
Who is paying for?
@@neilkurzman4907 Ideally, "they" are the developer and/or builder who didn't build this building right in the first place. They are responsible.
If not the builder, then out of public safety, the government should step in...and if that means taxpayers like you and me have to foot the bill then so be it.
@@neilkurzman4907
Bro this whole building is a safety hazard
@@neilkurzman4907well if they’d spent the money to build the foundation correctly in the first place, it wouldn’t be an issue. Guarantee you, the bill for the developer to tear it down would be way more than how much it would have cost to do it right in the first place. It’s a safety hazard to the public and other buildings, it should be mandated that the developer pay to have it torn down ASAP!
@@Callidus7SSM
The few million dollars that they saved on the foundation is the gift that keeps on giving. They’ve already spent hundreds of millions of dollars in repairs. And there’s no guarantee that the building is going to settle properly.
Additionally, even if it settles evenly, it’s already sunk below ground level.
There’s a building in New York City that has a similar issue. But that one didn’t even make it to the sale phase. It’s sitting empty and may need to be demolished.
The complaint of tenants' living space being filled with gelatinous sewage, which will cause life-threatening respiratory illness even after full stripping of interior, is "without merit?" 💩👹☠
Plus is a biohazard to surrounding units. Dangerous mold and sewage residue is likely spread throughout the building. Another reason it should be demolished.
But didn't they say 7 million lawsuit. Bet they didn't pay that. They should get value of what they originally paid plus some more but 7 million?
@@journeybrook9357 How much did they pay? I'm seeing condos listed for up to 7 million.
Oh no, my toilet backed up! Better get a hazmat suit! Fucking preposterous.
@@dizzy_derps Got the impression it's sewage coming from other units. Not a routine bathroom problem. Combine that with mold and it's a nasty combination.
Very strange rock/hard-place situation. Your apartment fills with sewage, and you're not allowed to open the windows.
Or smoke or the air conditioning stops working?
@@denali6935smoking is probly another 10k
Building was designed for owners to park their money there and not use it, not to occupy it, like every other luxury building in the country.
"It's an exclusive club and you are not in it" George Carlin.
@@chrismurphy2769
Did you actually watch the video video?
No, you can’t open the window when you’re not home or there is Highwinds
Imagine if you buying the apartment but you can’t open the window.
You can. This is stupid clickbait. 1:50 for the actual rules.
"deter negligent behavior" - windows in high rise buildings are a special case which can result in damage and danger to people.
@@someguy6075it mentioned that the tenant would be solely responsible for any damage by opening the windows so who would dare to open it
I'm an ongoing architect. I hope this will never happen to me.
Now imagine paying millions for said apartment and not being able to open the windows
Meanwhile if you build a porch on your single family home without permits, they'll say it's not suitable for residency and won't issue you a certificate of occupancy.
They should tear this building down and reimburse everyone.
Seriously permits and building in SF is completely corrupt. SFH owners who don’t know someone in the building department can’t hang a picture without a fine .
Well said !😮
Why reimburse everyone?
@@davidrosen5140 wouldn't you want to get your money back if you bought a brand new top of the line car and it was broken upon delivery?
lol what a scam. Besides the leaning the building can't perform the most basic functions of a home.
Who would want to live here? Can’t open your windows. Home leans to one side. Other people’s turds flow into your apartment and it gets blamed on you.
Welcome to the live of a typical Tenant in general
😂😂😂
@@chasingsunsets87 These are condos. Most are owner-occupied.
Hazmat suit to enter her apartment in the millennium tower 😂, oh boy!
@@upliftmofopartyplan1156 looking at a level A suit and SCBA
Welcome to the new Millennium!
@@upliftmofopartyplan1156 It certainly would, but I'd go with N100 for bad mold. From what I saw, you probably wouldn't even need a mask unless you were doing construction and substantially disturbing the mold.
How could they have built such a piece of crap?
San Fran CA.
@@JaniceVineyard-kf6wm what is the tower called in NYC? I thought this was that building that took the place of the World Trade Towers? Now it all makes sense..🫢
American engineers
@@psylee8687 no, we have excellent engineers. Give me another reason please..
@@psylee8687 (D)umb (E)ducational (I)nstitutions
What’s next? $5k per toilet flush?
That’ll be the distant future when global water supplies are extraordinarily low
The water which never leaves the planet?
And a 25 tip just to say hello to your neighbors. lol
Worse, no usable toilets at all. Seems only a matter of time before many units are condemned or the entire building is.
“Yes, it’s not my fault you didn’t step up in life to pay for it. You shouldn’t spend above your means”- say the tech bros dumbnutz.
wrong detergent? LOL
“Wrong detergent” was the high point for me.
Never heard of that one before, it would be funny if it wasnt so sad.
That’s absurd!!!!!
What a nightmare of a property
None of those people should be paying anything. They should be given money back to buy somewhere permanent and safe.
This ☝️
Caveat emptor.
In that city, the government is the perpetual victim.
There are seemingly no more deep pockets left to go after. Much of the money that's been paid has gone to the questionable retrofit of the foundation. With residents are being assessed extra. While the land is valuable, the cost of demolition would be very high. Virtually no matter what happens, residents will be spending more money. The smart ones have sold their units for cheap to get out. Intentionally defaulting on one's mortgage may not work, since the lender may not assume ownership. It's a bad situation with few options.
They should be, but the money's long gone. That's why the taxpayers are left to finance this sh!t show.
Then I'm suing for every moment I cannot use my property.
LOL good luck on that peasent. You probably could even afford to use the front door let alone live in that building.
@@Fivemacs Projection fail, don't forget to rattle the change in your can while you beg...
@@Fivemacs an envious child cause YOU probably live in your car 😂
@@Plutogalaxy well I guess I'm selling that pos, imagine the value has dropped considerably
Who would live in a high rise building with foundation problems?
That’s what I was thinking!! Tenants that are thrill seekers???!!! WOW!!!
dumb liberals?
It’s not like it’s in an earthquake zone or anything….. oh wait!
If they were renting I could see your point, however since they bought their apartments (presumably before all these issues where know) they are kinda stuck financially. What really should happen is the developer is forced to refund everyone and the building is condemned and torn down.
Chinese be, "First time?"
Charging people for opening their window? What a freaking scam!!!
I guess you missed the part where the windows can become damaged in a storm and fall to the ground.
@@bobroberts2371 No, a window needs to be built to withstand something as natural and normal as wind and a storm. The issue is the builder, not the residents. The blame is being placed on the wrong people. The residents are being blamed for the shotty workmanship of this “luxury” tower.
@@khloecarver1246 Wind at elevation can be much stronger than at ground level. How would YOU design a window that is easy to operate be a human but does not move in the wind? Remember, the window needs to be a single piece not like a typical house window with 2 movable vertical pieces. The real solution would be to bolt the windows shut like many other buildings.
I used to work for a company that built apartments. It's standard in the handover guide to tell people not to leave windows open when they aren't home. The wind gusts can rip them off and drop them to the ground. It could kill someone. The wind up that high is much stronger than at ground level, especially where there are other tall buildings that can funnel the air. This is nothing new, and certainly not just for this building.
@@bobroberts2371Why does the window need to be a single piece? Why can't they use the sliding design most houses use?
Three words - low cost bidder
The high cost of going cheap. Laughable to think they saved a couple of million bucks not anchoring to bed rock.
well, its expensive to be cheap 🙄
i got an idea, don't build death traps and eyesores for the rich to hide money.
Another person jealous of wealth.
@patty109109 don't play dumb, you know that's not what the op is saying. But if that is what you hear, your ignorance is showing
Imagine buying a box of air above someone elses property and being fined for letting more air in. Oh and your box of air keeps moving and fills up with shit.
Wrong detergent? If using the right detergent is so critical to the infrastructure, then they should be supplying the residents with the correct detergent.
...but that would cost money, so...
I guess they used tide instead of gain
That whole building is a crap show
Only in America can you buy a home to find out it was built out of toilet paper, and plastic straws, and have the city come after you to fix it.
That's funny considering I'm pretty sure you're a Chinese Troll and they do even worse there
Try harder there’s 212 countries in the world and most are a hell of a lot more corrupt than the United States when it comes to building😂😂
China be, "Day 109, and they still don't know about me."
Those rich residents with their million dollar apartments are having more problems than poor people living in the projects in Oakland.
No, they are not. They have enough time to make noise about it and enough money that people listen.
ROBLOX OAKLANDS REFERENCE????
They should change the name of this building to nightmare on Elm Street😢
Nightmare on Pelonews street.
What an idiotic idea. Spend a ton of money to move into a sinking building and you can’t open your windows at certain times? No thank you.
When we were looking to buy, we considered a two bed two bath condo here with a somewhat reasonable price. We ran away when we found out the HOA is about $1700/month. Happy we didn’t make this mistake. Got a SFH with no HOA in Pacifica for less.
Why would you make windows like that when you could make tiny windows or ones that slide up? Horrible engineering all around!
Windows that slide up on a skyscraper? Are you sure you want that?
NYC knows how to build high rise apartment buildings. This building is an engineering disaster. They had lots of other safer window options. One of which was no opening windows at all. Just get central air.
Engineering, or architectural failure? Who's (politician,corporate head) "legacy building" was this?
@@smorris281NYC has their own leaning tower. The city was smart enough to stop the construction. Lesson learned from this S.F. mess. 🤷♂️
No way I would live in that building it’s sinking and can’t open a window. That building is not safe I don’t know how it still remains open. First major earthquake that building is gone
Imagine not being able to have some fresh air when you get home.
@@intorainbowzOG And sewer is not working properly already in entire building. I would like live there, I'm rebel, only if rent would be free.
You could kill someone if those windows fall off. Seems like this building was poorly designed 🤷🏻
Here's an idea, how about building it right in the first place instead of having to retrofit everything. They should be fining the developer for each instance.
Breh this building is so unsafe it should just be demolished and rebuilt
NO any rebuilts
Resident should charge Millennium Tower for closed windows. You have a right to open your windows in your home. Resident will win their case.
Residents can open their windows, report said so. This is stupid clickbait. 1:50 for the actual rule.
The residents (condo owners) are collectively the owners of the Millennium Tower.
You must not have heard the part about the window falling out. The DA will charge them when it killed someone.
pushing responsibility for faulty installation on the user
this building should be demolished
Paying more for a bad design? Who do they think they are, Apple?
This whole building is a joke; same as the city it’s in.
Why put anymore money into a building that isn't even safe to live in. With the way it leans, the next earthquake could bring it down. Residents can't even sell it.
You aren't addressing any plumbing if it's leaning! Waste pipes required pitch. These waste pipes are back-pitched.
The only way to fix this entire issue is to correct the lean or knock it down.
Modern buildings are being built as cheaply as possible to maximize profit.
Like anyone needs another reason to never live in this deathtrap
Basically the worst most expensive building ever built?
expensive does *NOT* equal good!
Was this building constructed by craigslist contractors?
Everyone should open their windows in protest
then the building would collapse, because of loss of structural integrity! 🤭
It looks more and more appealing to just live under the overpass. No wonder so many homeless camps there.
If these windows were made to open, why did nobody think to have them open inward and slide up for safety reasons?
This building is a real money pit. Why do the windows even open in the first place?
Apartments usually have windows that open.
They should have built sliding windows
Millennium Tower, what an appropriate name for a building that seems to represent what the New Millenium has been all about for the last twenty four years. Tore up, beat up, broken down, worn out, ready-to-collapse-at-any-moment type of years.
Millennials are pain in the a*s.
The structure itself was built by the building owners. Not the tenants. No tenant should ever be legally liable for something they didn't build or ask for
The structure itself was built by a developer. And then sold the condominium owners. It’s not an apartment building.
Overflowing with sewage? Sounds perfect for San Francesspool.
That's why I avoid HOAs
What the F? The residence need to sue everyone involved with this building! They should not pay anything at this point.
The problems began after the statute of limitations had already passed. They are S.O.L.
Turns out they got whatever they caught out of the builders insurance. But it doesn’t look like they can save this building, but the windows that was actually a solvable problem.
That's a horrible design.
They just need to level this mistake and then rebuild it the right way already. It would truly be the least expensive option.
All of the residents need to band together and sue the hell out of the developers
no money left in that pit...
And developer will declare bankruptcy.
That place is nothing but problems.
One of the best decisions I ever made was leaving SF.
Sewer/drain backups & you can’t open the windows. Tower tilting /moving , all these issues are from the residents not the structure? It sounds & looks like an environmental disaster cleanup site. Seriously, how many millions did the residents pay to live in filth/sewer?🤮
Imagine buying apartment building then your buildings starts to sink and tilt and now you can’t even open windows 😂, plus you can’t even sell because no one will buy an apartment at this building
It’s not an apartment building. It’s a condominium.
Even worse, it’s a luxury condominium building
If they built the tower properly this wouldn’t happen
How dare you fine them for your screw up maybe get the f'ing job done faster or better yet DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME
Wow, you gotta wonder what else they cut corners on during construction.
Right, penalize the residents for an architectural flaw they had nothing to do with. Fuck that. I’d sue on those grounds to get out of my lease. I’m not gonna live somewhere that was designed to have windows that open only to be told that I can’t open them
You may it seem like the US judicial system actually works. You know what is a bigger shit show than this tower, the US judicial system. Even if they win after years of lawsuit and millions of dollars, they will never collect. If this were other countries, the developer and contractor would be in prison already. But hey as long as we can regurgitate USA, USA and convince ourselves that we are number 1 who cares if people are actually get screwed.
That thing will collapse in an earthquake. Horrific negligence and blame shifting. Shameful.
Is there ever any positive news when it comes to this tower?
No, but it's entertaining for those watching. Had heard about sewer problems, but didn't know it was that bad in some units plus mold too. Heard nothing bad about the electrical yet, but won't be surprised if that's got problems too.
@mrxxbrian: Yes, it is still standing, for now.
Who in the hell thought this was a good idea to build the building like this
The fine is to save face when it comes crumbling down, a blame game when the disaster happens
How can you life happily with people living above you....that should be a life goal
The incoming 9.0 quake is obviously gonna drop this skyscraper
I don't understand why people buy something and give other people the authority to tell them how they can use their property.
Its not luxurious at all.
If they are imposing fines for open windows, prehaps the inhabitants should sue the HOA for the building sinking and the sewer issues.
So gangs of thieves can empty out stores across the city with no consequences but if you open your window you'll be fined $10K? What is San Franshitsho doing!?
Are you a chat bot since you’re random post that basically says you didn’t watch the video looks like a knee-jerk reaction
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If everybody leaves their windows open at the same time the building leans to the northwest another 18 inches.
Isn’t the building responsible
While the architect made his fortune now he can devert the blame on others .
Only a politician would find replacing 8 windows a day acceptable.
It complicated the job if you have to do it on gondola 200 feet in the air.
8 windows a day is acceptable ... if they only employ one team.
Holding condo owners liable for shoddy construction is a crime.
WOW. Not one time did you mention the negligent builder or the people whom chose (arguably criminally negligently) to install hundreds and hundreds of windows they undoubtedly knew would need to be replaced, to save a few percentage points off the expenses. Someone ordered the windows and compaction tests on the site. Someone chose to do the wrong thing. You chose to let them off the hook, while having the audacity to claim to be doing consumer advocacy journalism!!!?? You absolutely SUCK at Investigative Journalism NBC Bay News!!!!
They are focusing in the windows problem. And it took 5 minutes. If they follow their suggestion, the video will be one hour long or more. May as well they make a documentary. And that, is too much for a news company.
Not leaving your windows open and flapping in a wind storm seems like common sense.
👀 This is 100% developers / architects fault. A typical European window--especially in Germany--is designed to ventilate & never become susceptible to wind damage.
Even in our old 1959 built farmhouse the windows built to open are secure from winds blowing on them! They are of the push out type with aluminum bars holding them securely open or closed with no ratchet or screw type mechanics that fail.
@Rico34: You are unclear on the concept of "American exceptionalism." It's not limited to being exceptionally good or competent.
@@dpeasehead Ha. Our "exceptionalism" is getting folks killed & producing unnecessary news coverage. 😏
So they are charging customers for their fk up WOW
It is SF's version of Chinese style tofu dreg.
The building needs to be condemned. I live in San Francisco and recently bought a condo and the Millennium Tower Condominiums situation made me purchase a condo in a neighborhood on bedrock and with an earthquake policy. Bad situation for the Millennium Tower residents, but a good lesson to everyone else that you need to be aware of liquefaction zones in San Francisco and who was the building developer on the project.
I don't think this structure would last a solid earthquake and will turn the building and the area surrounding the building into a hazard zone of shattered glass and twisted metal. In an ideal world, the building would be condemned, the developer would be dissolved and key players in the decision to build this monstrosity would be imprisoned
As if the catastrophe isn't bad enough, that thing is an HOA on top of it all!?
Every skyscraper that you see is in an HOA.
@@bsgvlog5640 That's awful.
@@Terrakineticit's necessary because someone has to keep up with building maintenance
I lived in an HOA in Foster City, CA for over two years, and even though it wasn’t extreme like this, I will never live in one again. Happily relocated to Germany 🇩🇪
@@Apocalyptic_chicklol Germany the land of freedom 😂
What a disaster of a building
who built this shhh hole
Imagine paying all that money for all these problems
Too big to succeed.
They can't be serious
That building is such a hazard and it's in the middle of downtown! Why the company that built it would cut corners to save money is beyond me. In the end, they've lost much more money due to their negligence than they would have if they'd done the job correctly from the start.
News flash: A few years ago the developers claimed that the Transbay Transit Center caused all of these problems. Mayor Breed to the rescue. It would cost a lot of money to fight this in court, so no worries. The city will assume responsibility and the costs. Gee, thanks Mayor Breed. You're a lifesaver!
A single window is the ENTIRE downfall of a building? Jeez who hired those engineers?
"So are the windows going to be opened at all?" "Nah, not a chance the whole building would collapse if that happened"
It's unrelated but related issue.
The building seems to be constructed haphazardly. The biggest problem is it started to lean. Then there are another problem with window brackets that kept on loose the glass it's supposed to hold. And the last one is the drain back up at the lower floors.
Bad design these pepole clearly jave no clue what they are doing untill situations happen. What a joke of a place to live.
Crazy to sue owners for poor building practices. The Negligent behavior was the cheap developer who cheeped out to make more profit above safety.
Holy smokes a $10K fine for an open window.
That's a drop in the bucket for anyone who lives there lol.
It's reasonable. It's unfortunate that the windows are defective but that's the situation they're in. The liability if one of those 500 pound panes falls to the street or blows into another building is astronomical. The rule is only to keep them closed in high wind and when nobody is home, and presumably only applies to the windows that haven't been fixed yet.
@someguy6075 You must be one of the engineers behind this failed project. Your responses here are just tragically inept and inexcusable.
@PTANV-x2g what ? He explained the logical reasons why this situation is occurring. How do you not understand?
The same state that wants to tax you for ten years after you leave the state.