SC2 - Maru vs. Reynor - Quarterfinal - DreamHack SC2 Masters: Valencia 2022
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Reynor: Looks left, looks right, looks happy, looks frustrated
Maru: Looks like he is doing a boring essay that requires 10 thousand word count.
Late game Terran vs. Zerg is the pinnacle of SC2.
Tastosis said it best tbh.
When Maru is behind he is even. When he is even he is ahead. When he is a head you lose.
Truly going to go down as the GOAT of sc2.
Laughing to all those who complained about Maru's proxy rax plays. And remember how much his career has been, remember those clutch fights with Zest in ProLeague. Maru has the highest overall score in ProLeague and was awarded MVP. His rivalry with TY. His early royal road championships in the old star leagues. Him being the only one who won all Korean Star leagues. All this on top of his record 4-in-a-row Code S championship.
If Maru does the proxy rax and gets scouted instantly he will still turn it into a macro game and win
maru been the coolest for so long! the reason i started playing sc2 in hots
Maru is just the coolest.
He's literally the only Terran I always watch. When I watch someone else I feel like it's not what it should be ='D
@@vinnieg6161 Just play like Maru, they said.
@@tigera6 You don't really have to play like Maru. Play however you want to, but just win.
Only Maru would notice that one of his units is blocked then lift up all his buildings at 200 supply then randomly juggle one hellbat with a medivac to a swarm of lings. It's just absolutely insane. Nerf queens btw
Queens definitely need an adjustment
Queens dies to ghosts pretty gg ez though. Just get ghosts.
Yes queens need an adjustment, +1 range or let them transfuse off creep again.
T just mad that z has one ok unit. T has ghosts thors tanks but complain about queens. ffs
Ghost:
Pros:
20 damage to light units, nearly as fast as stimmed bio, 2 more vision range than queens, costs less than a viper and consumes 1 less supply, late game unit available at 3 minute mark
Snipe: 10 range, 170 damage, near unlimited range once locked
EMP: 10 range (+0.5 diameter with enhanced shockwaves), removes energy from spellcasters
Cloak: Turns invisible, cannot be seen without detection
Nuke: 12 range, 300 damage (+200 to buildings), only costs 100 100, huge radius
Cons:
Costs gas
Have to research cloak and enhanced shockwaves
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Queen:
Pros:
Spawn Larva: Essential to Zerg macro
Creep Tumor: Essential to Zerg's ability to not die
Transfuse: Makes the queen a better early game unit / still viable in lategame to transfuse big units
Only source of early game anti-air / only option to defend standard timed hellions
Doesn't cost gas
Cons:
Slow off creep
Can't transfuse off creep
Dies to 1 snipe
Can be EMP'd
Bad in straight up fights after the 6 minute mark
Need them or you can't macro properly
Maru is the most overrated SC2 player ever. The king of second place.
Only Maru could have won the 3rd match. Anyone else had lost to Reynor.
1:01:35 "Hold the bridge soldier! none shall pass.!"
So fun to watch, great commentary aswell
So cool to see some mech!!!
Maru is the only reason i watched valencia.
Feel embarrassed for you then.
Amazing games!!!!
amazing games and great casting
Good casting, these two have great synergy
@Renato Pereira Pinheiro I don't know what you're talking about. I'd agree that Wardi's solo casting is boring, but here he seems quite invigorated
Its amazing how much more calm Maru looks during this entire serious after game 1. Reynor was visibly shaken and the caster called it. The dude is moving all over the place with the demand Maru places on him for multitasking. Credit to Maru even though I hate Terran. The dude is calm and collected.
If efficiency became a person
@@Yohanan552 Scummy zerg! Bow to God Maru!
I think its amazing Maru is sitting there super calm and then I realise he's playing at a speed I can't even follow when I watch it
at !0:10 Maru has the spare APM to micro a single marine to kill tumors ='D
wardi and zombie are doing great
Maru, he didn't move throughout the whole game, while Reynor constantly look left and right 😅
Reynor looked like high on some amphetamines or cocaine, better start testing these kids.. playing broken ass zerg and still taking an L.
I think reynor is slightly adhd / add / whatever. Idk where I heard it from can’t remember but that could be why the movement
@@ferallhamster970 Remember that koreans in general are 1000% more disciplined than any westerner and they also all of them have military training which helps even more on this regard
@@marcelomarcelo514 true
Another amazing late game for Maru 💞💞💞
Daaamnn. Reynor might be the Boy Wonder but Maru is still Batman.
ghost are broken... pls fix...
2:18:41 I feel soooooooooo good
Может я не прав, ведь я очень очень далёк от уровня этих потрясающих игроков, но... Может не стоило 3 раза делать ставку на хостов и брудов, когда мару их контрит хэллбатами. Каждый раз.
Such a good series, Maru is a brick wall
When Maru stopped smiling...
Ghosts outrunning banes and lings w/o stim, getting away even on creep is not op at all lol
They don't outrun lings on or off creep, and they don't outrun banelings on creep. Get your facts right before whining like a little b.
should've played protoss against this xP
wow
Seems like Zerg are so reliant on gas that once their tech units get wiped and gas becomes scarce, Maru just walks over him.
30 mins into the game Reynor still on plus 1 missile attack
come on man you are better than that??!
This made me a Reynor fan, despite the loss.
that corrosive vile timing on the teleporting bcs ... nice
…nice
That was neat catching the teleporting in BCs but that was more of Maru's mistake than Reynor being clutch. It's not hard to vile a spot where after 2 seconds units will appear.
Carrying Terran
Game 1 was serious
1:56:50 shoutout to Penguin Brothers!
Doesn't this Maru guy watch uThermal?!? You just go mass ghosts against zerg. Easy!
Gosh, games 1 and 3 were so frustrating, I think Raynor was lacking some assertiveness (is t even a word lol)
Maru is mech king!
41:09 buys hatchery for 150 not 300 "was the map really that low on minerals"
balance the game
I feel like the quality of Terran play has decreased significantly since Innovation joined the army. Innovation wasn’t the best Terran at the time of his departure, but he had the cleanest and most up to date timing attacks by far. I think other Terrans like Maru analyzed his games and picked his brain for timings and minor updates to reactored hellion triple CC play, without him and TY we’re seeing less well timed and coordinated pushes out of Terrans overall. Though the micro of players like Clem and Maru is so good that they still do well, I haven’t seen a fourth base go down to a tank marine timing in a very long time.
Cure is also another Terran that is worth mentioning. He could pull off many wins with his unique playstyle with unpredictable rushes and builds.
I'm an inno fan myself but with players like tajia showing new strats and army movements, and Bunny's insane builds like the single concussive marauder, gumiho, etc. Us terrans are not in a famine
I agree. Terran’s are still capable of wining tournaments. But I do think a lot of triple CC games are going to the late game or being lost that really don’t need to be.
did you put clem and maru on the same sentence?
They are the best Terrans in their regions, though Maru is much better. Give Clem time though, TvZ is the most skill testing matchup in SC2 and it’s his best by far. If he gets a chance to start practicing against more unique Korean bullshit (roaches, mech, the entire Protoss faction) he could become the next top Terran.
See some watchers(definitely zerg players perhaps newbies) complain about TvZ after watching this, but you are wrong. It's not TvZ it's Maru vs Zerg. It's a hidden 4th race called Maru so no worries. Zerg wins most times...
accurate
It's literally every terran vs every zerg. And I might be noob when playing, but I can see the matches. You know, with my eyes. You can see what the pros are having problems with. Any time 9 units can wipe out a maxed late game zerg army you know something's wrong. The only reason it's not worse is that high level zerg players seem to be magicians. But if I had a nickel for every game where the casters were like "well the zerg has 3 more bases, double the income and 50% more army supply. He's really behind in this one!"
So odd Maru doesn't respect his Mech health at all... SVC's are 50 mineral healers for them, having just 1-2 more passively there is cheap as hell and results in SO many fewer losses....
one of my fav builds is fast thors with a few scv healers, its kinda OP. I agree 100
Maru's face at 5:30 lmao
Maruuuuuuuu
You wanna be spoiled?
I never see terran have an economic advantage
His 4.5k mineral and gas bank evaporated at the end. Factories finally got to work there.
if you look at resources lost in TvZ - it is rather usual for Zerg to lose more resources than Terran in terms of units lost. Terran army usually trades better with Zerg units.
Yeah, I know what some of you will reply - that Serral, for instance, is a Zerg player. Of course, but if you watch one of his games, you'll see exactly what I mean - the amount of keystrokes per minutes he has to emit to control his forces to allow him to win is amazing, he likes "works all the time" and have to use elaborate schemes, for instance neural a ghost to EMP the terran units before they destroy him, stuff like that - while the defending terran player usually does a lot less keystrokes per minute as he is used to not having to use so much.. Because usually terrans rule the game and to change this, Serral has to work all the time.
Can only say one thing LOL!
@@simeonpolet1307 Because you don't have anything smart to say.
Reynor need to study Maru's weakness, zerling and baneling run by are Maru's achilles heel.
It’s been ages since maru has suffered from a Big ling/bane runby he takes 4/5 bases and hold it letting zergs smash against the great wall of maru
repeat single lurker in mineral lines, draining scan/mule energy does worse for maru
There’s no one single thing that will beat Maru once he gets up to 4-5 bases and maxes out. At that point you just have to slow down his economy and out-attrition him.
that works against every terran
Great matches from Maru. Thrilling to see the old veteran win against the former world champion, Reynor.
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Maru remains a top ten talent!
ALigulac consistently rank him as No.2, but hes only top 10 to you, right?
@@tigera6 yes, that’s correct.
It’s not a slight to Maru, he’s obviously very talented and I’ve enjoyed watching his matches.
If your method of ranking players is to default to Aligulac, that’s cool.
@@igit_7296 Well, it is a slight if claim yourself to be "objective", but if you want to play favorite then whatever.
@@tigera6 if Katowice (the World Championship) occurred today, I’d put Maru in the 6-10 seed, and probably have him as the top Terran in the world.
That’s plenty of respect.
Reynor didn't show his cheeky face when he faced Maru. Actually, he couldn't.
Maru shit on him🤣🤣
Why doesnt Zerg make like 4 nydus and spam lings and ultras in terran base. He had 7k minerals at one point and terran could not afford those trades. It would also help to spread creep and reinforce defensively .
Dude, its easy for us to coach from the sidelines. Coulda woulda shoulda... Yes, a lot of things could be done differently. But keep in mind, two are playing this game. Action - reaction. These guys are among the absolute bests at this game.. at this time.. on this planet.. Think you can do better than reynor? Just imagine, you set up a game and another player joins and his name is maru. Maru, dude! Reynor is an insanely good player more than capable of defeating maru, as hes done before. He maybe even leads in their head to head matches, im not sure. What he showed here was nothing but low form, they all have it. When rogue used roaches 4 times in a row against maru in a bo7 final - maru couldnt do shit. Rogue is the current GSL champion. Where is he in GSL2? Didnt make it out of the groups. It just happens. A bit of an underwhelming victory for my boy maru but hey, i'll take it. Lol
Because t would just steem role his main base and eliminate all production.
@@nustada I don't think so, there was no easy way to be running over zerg main army, he had lots of broodlords and stuff, it was zerg trying to attack and trade with terran, not the other way. If you make a nydus next to the main army and some in terran main base he could bring back forces if terran decide to steamroll. And if he only spent like 12 supply one ultra and 16 lings it would do more damage than most of his other attack attempts did.
@@nustada nnope
hmmm. whose on the stage and who isnt? I wonder why.
Terran supreme! Kill the bugs! ::)
Creo que nunca salio una Banshee .v, una serie donde los hellbats eran los protagonistas, creo que el fungal debería durar un segundo más.
Banshees? Amigo, las queens son demasiado fuertes y tienen demasiado rango, así como las defensas estáticas anti aéreas de los zerg. Demasiado dps y rango como para que las banshees tengan valor. Además los mutas las desintegran, no tienen mucho valor, poco dps y no range atack.
Match 2 @47:35
Match 3 @1:11:14
Match 4 @
Match 5 @
EMP OP
Yeah it should be removed, or at least moved to raven.
Or Z needs a late game answer to ghost, maybe like an baneling upgrade that expands the blast radius or an extra armor or speed upgrade. I think roaches should be able to burrow by default and the burrow upgrade should let any z land unit to be able to move while burrowed. Or maybe range upgrades for the infestor.
Reynor kept taking horrible engagements. I know the terran army comp is strong but thats no reason to suicide waves of banelings. Use drops at least.
Is it me or is Johnny Deep casting this ? Lmao
maru's mech is unstoppable vs zerg.
Maru is so good he can beat OP Zerg!
Terran has ghost most op unit in game
@@pigletpiglet3632 LOL!
@@pigletpiglet3632 only skilled players use ghosts properly
And he's the only Terran who can do it. He magical
why the hell the screen is so dark?
Where is Serral
Personal issues, he'll be back very soon
Didn’t qualify
Crying that he must miss this event
Ghost is a good unit
Imma thinking ghosts are op in this matchup. What is supposed to counter them? They slaughter all hive tech and apparently banelings do not catch them efficiently enough,
Remove Ghosts and suddenly Terran get groped by everything Zerg has, is the problem.
Ghosts keep ZvT fair right now almost single handedly. Otherwise Zerg having Infestors... Vipers... Lurkers... Brood Lords... Corruptors... Ultras (occasionally) ... Like, Zerg has so much to work with compared to the limited options of a Terran.
@@Elgar7022 I'm not saying remove ghosts but i kinda fail to see what is a zerg supposed to do against them. Granted i did see serral use infestors to emp the ghosts. But thats like sayin the counter to ghosts is ghosts. To keep te ghosts identity of countering lategame units i would maybe take of their movement speed so they would be easier to catch by banelings/zerglings.
infestor catch ghosts
@@Gal85gal reducing Ghost speed would just end up getting Terran to build a couple more Medivac to move them around, that wont change anything in term of the lategame meta.
@@Gal85gal Did you not see that Reynor was countering ghost snipes with fungal? Ghosts alone doesn't do shit. If Ghosts/Terran was op, why do we have such lopsided results in favor of Zergs in ZvTs? You're talking nonsense.
Ghost...
Reynor should have played his protoss against Maru. That would have been interesting.
Only if Maru would play Protoss against him as well. Reynor PvT arent that top tier yet.
阿彌陀佛
What happened to Serral?
He didnt play in Valencia due to "personal reason"
@@tigera6 I hope he is good.
@@velveder2 he just won HSC 2 weeks ago, so I think hes great.
Great games! bad casters
Ghost + Thor = Win
these comps are so weird man
Its really amazing how maru plays terran. Its the absolute worst faction but he made it work. Quite impressive
How its the worst?
it ain't the worst. Just like Maru here, everyone has their own choice of factions and does better than the others. All factions can be good if you can make it work
@@zuni0476 Zerg is the most broken race as you can see from the drastic difference in tournament winnings by race. Terran is still better than Protoss tho, which is the worst race in the game.
Disappointed in the way Reynor chose to approach this. He's the most mechanically gifted player in the world IMO, but he's so stubborn that he'll try the same thing again and again. He needs to be more creative (like Dark), or just play mutas more often - he's so good with them.
ok keyboard gamer
Playing muta against Maru lol
@@jimmyboe889 or play roach against Maru lol
I think the current map pool isnt Muta friendly, as opposed to the previous one. Map is shorter in this one, and less dead space around the base to hide the Muta.
Do you even know what being mechanically gifted means lol. Reynor isn't the most mechanically gifted player in the game, let alone in his own race.
A new drinking game; put on any random SC2 video with Zombiegrub commentating; every time she says "actually" everyone takes a shot; dead drunk within 15 min.😊
The shading on the Data-C map is the worst.
Honestly can any other Terran in the world beat Reynor ?
Clem did beat Reynor last month in DH Europe, but Reynor did throw a bit in that match.
Reason why zerg is king 🤴
10 lings do more damage than 10 helions
A ling run by is terrans nightmare
I can’t tell what’s a more powerful unit the ling or a Queen ids say a queen is the best unit in game but a Queen won’t shred an entire economy while costing literally pennies
Only Maru could do what he does as a Terran. 99% of terrans would lose these matches. He’s God of StarCraft Terran and no one is close
This game has it all. It shows the true face of SC2 - basically, the Terrans rule: Against Zerg the hellion/raven/winow mines/heavier units like vikings and odins combo - is unbeatable even by a good player, as long as the Terran player knows how to use these units and does it reasonably well. Ghosts are also important, as they allow to EMP the enemy's corruptors and vipers, but they are also very vulnerable. But against the Protoss, the ghosts reign supreme, as their EMP takes both the Protoss' energy and their shield down, and then a snipe comes along.. So a good Terran plays is supposed to win against any other race.
EMP corrupters ? Why?
@@simeonpolet1307 Just in case a viper is hiding between them :-).
Ghosts are op
Nope..maru using ghost are op
Great casting! Frustrating series for reynor..
haha, if first game was protoss, it would have been over...
chiok chiok, a few abduct~ no range, no speed... byebye
I play terran( allthough not very well) but I still think the ghost needs a nerf, snipe is just to powerfull.
dont need it terran would never win late game if ghost snipe was nerfed
We can nerf ghosts if they also nerf infestors and vipers.
Let me remind you that Reynor had a 12k bank vs 2.5k bank of maru.
That's because Terran first have to invest to buildings/tech/army way more than zerg. Like terran can have a superiour army and 10+ orbital with pfs while the zerg has the bank to blow it up :D
Zerg have more mineral upfront, but Terran ultimately catch up in the lategame unless Zerg can take an extra base from Terran side. Having a bigger bank mean shit if you cant win with such bank.
Yup. And Maru, being the absolute Jedi-Terran God that he is, spent his efficiently. 🫰🏼
After this series all terran will plays mech
And lose mmr's 🤣😂
@@juny9445 or make only ghost and lose too 🤣😂😁
No, it;s just that Maru when in good health is a complete master!
lets gooo ZombieGrub
lmao so funny watching people complain no matter what. "wait who won? THATS OP NERF X" like wasnt it a few weeks ago people were crying over how OP zerg is? specifically even mass queen which reynor tried and failed. Just give it to maru, he did a great job and these were incredible games to watch.
Their ability to read the game is scarily low, added to that the bias. And all you get is “Reynor going in for the kill, he’s winning” etc until he gg’ed out lol
well to be honest, I thought that too lol
its because the casters are from the west, unlike tastosis pair, who really casted longer than this pair, is much fair than these two, its kinda sentimental
Reynor in G2 - holds down the Z key for the last 5 mins of the fight, remaxxing on 100+ ling / bane 3 times, wins, then fist pumps lmao
gammmmmerrrrrrrr
Ghost completely broken so ridiculous
No. If you think that way, i would also say Z is broken. Fungal, neural, parasitic, yoink, all in one clan! Plus, free units (brood lord and swarm host). Protoss even needs to pay for interceptor, which i think should be free.
I must say, it does appear that if the two players in question are evenly matched in skill, which these two are, the advantage now goes to Terran, where once it went to Zerg. In 2018 Serral got Zerg nerfed by winning everything possible, and styling on top Terrans repeatedly. They nerfed Banes, so they are now useless against everything that isn't light (so useless against Ghosts, having previously been the only decent counter). They nerfed Broodlord range, so now Ghosts and Thors can just wreck them with no real counter play from Zerg. And they nerfed Infestors by getting rid of Infested Terran, which was completely fair, but they also made the unit very weak and ineffective, even though it is necessary in Zerg late game.
So now re-watch Game 1: even though Reynor completely deflects all Terran early game aggression, leaving him undoubtedly ahead, and in control, he still loses once it gets to Ghost, Tank, Thor, Hellbat. The Ghost counters EVERY Zerg late game unit; Broodlords, Infestors, Ultras, Corruptors, Vipers, Lurkers. Ghosts counter them all. Isn't that why they nerfed Banelings, because they were good against everything? Now it is the Ghost which is strong against every Zerg unit except Lings and Banes. So throw in some Tanks, Mines and Hellbats and it is GG for Zerg, no matter how good the early game was for them.
Both players are amazing. Maru is superb. But you can see that once it gets to late game, it can only go the way of Terran, if the players are equal in skill.
Lol you must be new to Starcraft 2. Every major tournament basically in the last 3 years won by Zerg, Serral Dark Reynor. Is basically one of 2-3 terrrans in the world capable of beating them and you say Ghosts are overpowered? No other Terran can make it work really... It's only Maru. You should look into the history of LOTV
@@1blueeye In the comment I mentioned Zerg was nerfed, largely due to the success of Serral in 2018. So this is historically accurate, regarding Sc2 isn't it? So you are just repeating what I have already said. Also, saying that 'only Maru can make it work' is probably because he is the only player as good as Serral, Reynor or Dark. The other Terrans are just not at the same level.
My point was: if a Zerg and Terran are at the same level of ability, the current balance gives Terran the upper hand, just as the previous balance in 2018/2019, gave Zerg the upper hand. Ghosts hard counter every Zerg late game unit (about seven unit types in total), most mid game units, and not even Banelings can counter them anymore, as Ghosts are not 'Light'. That is strong.
I don't expect Cure or Bunny to regularly beat Serral, Reynor and Dark in this or any patch, because they are not at the same level. Maru is absolutely at that level though, and arguably better some of those Zergs.
Basically I am happy to admit that Zerg was overpowered in the last patch. Now that the balance change has tipped the scales the other way, it seems you are not ready to admit it, and instead try to belittle the understanding of someone who expresses that opinion. You are welcome to do so, I will not be offended. Zerg had their time. Now is a good time for Terran to take down some tournaments, and no one better suited to that task than Maru himself. Good luck to him.
@@1blueeye well maybe u watch tourneys congratz but if u played the game u would know ghosts counter literally everything that zerg has
@@nickcole6682 Did you watch the finals yet? What do you think of that? (And by the way, i just wanted to commend you about the civilized manner in which you replied to the guy. Its rare these days so i wanted to note it)
@@nickcole6682 how was Zerg nerfed in any meaningful way again? And how exactly did this nerf stop Zerg from continuing to win all major tournaments? You know Ghosts were nerfed, as well? A shame Maru didn't win the finals... just make ghosts vs underpowered zerg - thats what you are implying and it's quite ridiculous.
The voice of that woman shatters my bones and hurts me in the feelings.
Reynor is faster, has better multitasking and is more talented than Maru.
But Maru is in a league of his own when it comes to mid game adjustments and unit counters. He always ends up with the best possible units to counter what his opponents have.
Fu@#%% dark map set...
euro maps are so zerg favored
It's so sad to see zerg's end game options are so limited.
remember flash? you are not supposed to go to lategame with zerg
Its sad to see the creep spread at the terrans 3rd after 8 minutes and terran can‘t even deny it with their endgame battleships because there are 8 queens (01:18:35)
like seriously??? Zerg complain about late game????? Zerg who will have 80% full vision and speed bonus of the map, who got more bases, who can remax faster than any race, who only need to F2 and right click their army. while terran late game is impossible to play prefect. the audacity of this bitch
multiple nyduses, burrow play (hiding banelings, forcing scans), overseer contaminate, also he neglected vipers, ultras and upgrades in last game.
Limited? Nope
Nerf ghost AND thor air attack
nerf queens and banes then
And use what to fight BLord? Or you dont care, just want Zerg to win?
@@tigera6 use vikings or even ghosts. Brood Is anti ground AND s ground units kills broods si fast
@@luisg8873 Viking does not out-range BLord, and Ghost being nerfed will not be the counter to Broodlord.
Almost a 3 hour video commentators speaking about Reynor 80% of the time, Reynor this Reynor that... soooo biased. this was a great match but ruined by the commentary.
noticed this as well
Ghosts just seem like they can do a bit too much. They can disable casters by both stealing energy and outright killing them. Because of that infestors may as well not even have neural parasite, and infestors got their inested terran replaced with the lamest bullshit spell in the game.
none of that kills lol . infestors have fungal which kills army. snipes can be disrupted. Only maru knows how to use ghosts.
And without Ghost, Terran army will be crippled. I dont mind if they move the EMP from Ghost to the Raven, but then Maru would massing Raven again, like he did in 2018 and people would complain again.
@@tigera6 I'm not an answers man my dude, I'm just a spectator, i don't even play. I'm just saying it kinda hurts to spectate b/c infestors only really ever seem to do the one thing.
@@sammor9 Like 1 or 2 infestors can single handedly win games. What's 1 or 2 Ghosts going to do? Snipe a unit? Lol. If you don't know the game, don't complain, because you're saying some dumb things right now.
reynor>dark. maru should've won, but he was too jetlagged and tired.
Reynor’s micro n macro might be better but he’s not as intelligent and decisive as Dark so no
Dark beat reynor in finals 2019 world championship
You do realize that Dark, too, flew in from Korea, right?
@@venom-gt7rc if Maru loses, you can choose from these:
-jetlagged
-tired
-zerg op