Before commenting,please read this: People in antiquity did not identify their ethnicity based on the language they speak. Life styles, customs and traditions were more important. E.g. Think about Early Roman Empire. Name is an important parameter to analyze a person’s identity. Confusing part is name variations in different languages. For instance Persian king Cyrus = Kiros = Keyhusrev (You see the change. When people called him in Persian, it was the same sound as when a person read Keyhusrev in Persian. I verified original name with an Iranian friend. It is Keyhusrev. Greek ears of Herodotus heard this sound as Kiros and probably some latin ears heard it as Cyrus - like a Roman name) Tomyris => Tomris => Tomur => Temir (means “Iron” in Kazakh, Uzbekh, Kyrgyz) => Demir (means “Iron” in Turkish) Let’s think about where she had lived. The Massagetae was an ancient tribal confederation placed in modern Turkmenistan, western Uzbekistan and Southern Kazakhstan. Massagetaens had worshipped to the sun and sky. Iranians had more complex religions(more than one) which all have a creator of everything (the god as people name it nowadays) Let’s see how old scholars attributed them Procopius writes in History of the Wars Book III: The Vandalic War: "the Massagetae whom they now call Huns" (XI. 37.), there was a certain man among the Massagetae, well gifted with courage and strength of body, the leader of a few men; this man had the privilege handed down from his fathers and ancestors to be the first in all the Hunnic armies to attack the enemy (XVIII. 54.). Evagrius Scholasticus (Ecclesiastical History. Book 3. Ch. II.): "and in Thrace, by the inroads of the Huns, formerly known by the name of Massagetae, who crossed the Ister without opposition". According to Guive Mirfendereski at the Circle of Ancient Iranian Studies (CAIS), the Massagetae are synonymous with the Sakā haumavargā of South Asian historiography. By the way I don’t consider Herodotus is a very reliable source but always a good starting point. According to Herodotus: “In their dress and mode of living the Massagetae resemble the Scythians. Each man has but one wife, yet all the wives are held in common; for this is a custom of the Massagetae and not of the Scythians.“I don’t know what to think about these claims but one take away would be about women in Massagaetans. Turkic tribes had different gender values than now, women were equal to men and they were also fighters.
Very pleasantly surprised by this movie! It shows what you can call Amazons as mentioned by Herodotus, the introduction of iron technology to an otherwise bronze culture, burial placement and offerings, and several historically accurate details of the nomadic life. My hat off to producers and directors!!!
@@Mercvrio5369 That is the nature of the relationship between nomads and urbanites. Nomads often helped move or protect the goods and purchased supplies from the urbanites.
Great movie, I have no words. The East is slowly waking up when it comes to making movies. All the best. I was especially impressed by actresses Almira and Aizhan. It would be nice for them to stay in their country and continue making other films, which will of course be better and better.
I read about this warrior queen few years ago, in Herodot book fragments pointed out by Polish journalist Kapuściński. Her legend survived through milenia already.
I just watch it on 27.09.2019! This is the best movie so far! They speak in an ancient Turkic (not Turkish) language because the director made it as much genuine as possible. Enjoy the movie great people of Turan (Turkic nations)!
@@hamdoulaa Scythian are the same as Ottomans many ethnicities exists. And many Turkic group have been Scythian. Persians and Turkic people have a long period of cultural exchange and she fought against Persians.
I haven't seen the movie yet, but this is one brilliant trailer. Whoever edited this has my respect. I've seen it so many times. Can't wait to watch the movie.
@@alluraambrose2978 My God! I just saw it. They've review bombed it to the ground lol. You'll see that there are 78% 1 star reviews. So it's a smear campaign kind of a thing. The rest are good. The bad reviews all seem to be mad about the fact that it was made by Kazak people. In the movie however, they did not mention once that Massagettae were Turkic. I'm not super familiar with the politics of the area so I wouldn't comment on that. It's a silly thing to fight over genetics of long gone people. I personally loved this movie. It's well made and showed Cyrus the Great the respect he deserved even in this version of the history. Which made me respect the filmmakers more. I believe there are 3 versions of his death in historical records, this one preferred by early historians the most.
I don't understand the controversy, Kazakhs are the modern inheritors of the steppe and its culture, why shouldn't they be allowed to make a film about it?
They aren't tho. Kazakhs are Turkic. Scythians and all Scythian tribes including the Massagetae, Saka, Sarmatians, Alans, Iasygez were all Iranian people who spoke Eastern Iranian languages, related to modern day languages like Ossetian, Pashto, Pamiri, Yaghnobi etc. There is controversy because this movie makes the Scythians look like Kazakhs and speak the Kazakh language. When in reality, Scythians resembled Europeans, they had high Indo-European ancestry and most of them had blonde and red hair with light features. They were Iranian just like Cyrus
@vagabond57097 Also now you people are mad that a movie has the wrong race of historical characters. You are mad they are not european white. In reality the massagetae were not white, iranian, red headed, blonde or indo European that is a lie from the post Columbus 1492 europe colonized world. . White washing history. Most iranians are blonde with red hair today? No! You are angry that the movie is depicting massagetae looking as the people that live in that region today... pure hypocrisy, I can name you hundreds of films and regions today in which Europeans do the same thing or claim the people living there today are the same people as ancient times like.. the Egyptians for one example. Apparently historical colonization Only happened to white people. Europeans love depicting everyone as white.
Je rigole car chaque fois que le mérite en revient aux TURKS on invente des conneries pour contournés ce palmarès, Attila le hun de l'ouest était Turk, gengis khan descendant et l'héritier des huns de l'est donc TURK, les ottomans était turc... Tomris khatun était turcique arrété de déformer l'histoire, l'histoire revient a ceux qui l'on écrit soyez respectueux !!!
Трудно передать словами тот восторг и трепет, который испытываю смотря трейлер фильма! Наконец-то дождался этого момента, когда все сошлось... время, финансы, новые технологии в съемке, выросло поколение прекрасных актеров и такой талантливый режиссёр как А.Сатаев снял фильм о Томирис! С нетерпением жду премьеры! Вовремя, очень даже вовремя, новому тюркскому возрождению нужна эта легенда, какие люди жили в большой Степи, чьими потомками мы являемся! Удачи фильму в прокате! Признания и больших кассовых сборов!
Queen Tomiri was a ruler in parts of modern-day Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, western Uzbekistan, and southern Kazakhstan. Check the map of Slavic (Arian) haplogroup R1a1DNA - 25000 years old. (Australian Centre for Ancient DNA - University of Adelaide) Scythia Europe: Sorbs (Lusitzi) 63% Polish 55% Byelorussians 50% Russians 46% Lithuanians 45% Ukrainians 43% Scythia Asia Kyrgyz people 63% Pashtuns (Pakistan, Afghanistan) 40-45% North West India 48-72%,
@@user-nf3yh7yx4k let´s call it cultural change and not oblivion. there are still many people, who speaks the different versions of this beautiful language. don´t forget, cultural change can´t be stopped. like the turks became muslims, what is really sad for me. that´s a total oblivion of a equal socitiy and kulture =( but everything need to change to not be forgotten.
To all pan Turks: Massagetae and Tomyris were eastern Iranian people and not Turks (Turks never exist in that time) so do not claim her and Massagetae as "Turkish heritage"
A fantastic film. I keep thinking I wish it was a short mini-series instead. It would have made it possible to establish the different characters deeper and made the intrigues stronger and darker. Almira Tursyn is as strong as she is beautiful and makes an outstanding role performance. The make-up artists did a superb job and the characters age credibly. But there are two things that strike me the most. The first is all the magnificent horses. Last but not least, the uniquely powerful Language.
Incredible Masterpiece! This film shows the culture of Scythians and Sarmatians, because I'm in love with Scythian culture and I love the performance of Ghassan Massoud as Cyrus of Persia.
@Catch_Me_If_You_Can So you're just gonna throw the fact that turkic tribes lived much more oldest times in cental asia and the sakas were nomadic people which is within the turkic names and language . Im not gonna even try to explain just learn some history and search some science beceause geneticly its already proven sakas are turkic
@Catch_Me_If_You_Can This movie is just a cheap propaganda piece. Amazing that they even went so far to make them speak turkish when it is established fact that they were an iranian people who spoke iranian.
@@BrotherGamingTR Ancient DNA studies from the kurgans and comparative genomics clearly shows that Sakas (Eastern Scythians) were among the ancestors of modern Kazakhs. Kazakh genomes are about 1/3 European/Scythian, about 1/3 Turkic and about 1/3 Mongol on average. The Scythian genome was the foundation for evolution of the Kazakh genetics as these Iranic ancestors absorbed later invasions of Huns, Turkic peoples and Mongols. Anthropological studies on skulls from ancient kurgans show a gradual shift from European to mixed to Asian features in the apearance of the nomads who lived in Kazakhstan between 1000 BC to 500 AD. This is to say that modern Kazakhs are very much entitled to claim Tomiris and other Sakas among their ancestors.
Касактарга Сахалартан эҕэрдэ! Сразу видно что у нас с вами одни предки - Саки. Весь фильм не покидало чувство, что это и про нас Саха снято, все обряды, вера в духов, как погребали, имя девушки Сардаана, прям все. И заметил, раньше Касаки были язычниками, верили в духов и Таҥара? Так, мы Саха до наших дней сохранили эту веру. Вот бы приоткрыть тайны тех давних времен. К сожалению, нашу историю целеннаправленно уничтожали с тех пор как, сами знаете кто, пришли на наши земли. Фильм получился классный.
Сахаларға Қазақтардан салем!!! Да казахи были язычниками но хорошо что мы приняли ислам и сейчас являемся мусульманами!! Но мы вас любим и вы наши браться по крови, мы всегда с вами!! Надеюсь вы получите свою независимость от Рашистов!!
I watched it on 29 Oct in Astana. There was only Russian dub with Kazakh subtitles available. I wish they could just show it with the original Old Turkic and Old Persian audio... the entire film crew and experts worked so hard to recreate it, only to be dubbed over!
Usually, people do not have the time or patience to read a book or history and are deceived by watching an easy story(a movie). This movie has a lot of historical flaws: 1. The people of the Massagetaes, Savromats(Sarmatian), and Dahae tribes were themselves Iranians, so their faces should look like Iranians. 2. The Turks and Mongols migrated to these lands almost ten centuries later due to climate change. 3. There are three different stories of the death of Cyrus from the three Greek historians: *Ctesias; his history was based on Persian archives and state records, and therefore, was far superior to Herodotus' history. *Herodotus' story of doubtful authenticity, is full of romantic stories, exotic anecdotes, court gossip, and lists that are of dubious reliability. *Xenophon; claims that Cyrus died peacefully in his capital. Of these three, the story of Ctesias is more plausible. Cyrus’s conquests in Central Asia were probably genuine, since a city in farthest Sogdiana was called Cyreschata or Cyropolis (see Britannica). 4- This movie does not even correspond to the story of Herodotus, and it tells some lies! Tomyris's husband was Rustam and not Argun! Spargapises had committed suicide in captivity, according to Herodotus! 5- This movie grossed $1.3 million against a production budget of $6.5 million. Give this money to Sasha Cohen(Borat) so that he does not make any movies against you. ... ...
@@hisholiness4537 Dude, hope you are not brainwashed by Hollywood movies! All the countries whose names have the suffix "Stan" have had Iranic people. Because the suffix "Stan" means a state in different Iranian dialects. So these countries are brothers and no one is the enemy of the other and they don't trash out each other! Some of these countries: Poland (Lehestan), Serbia(Serbstan), Hungary (Magyarstan), India( Hindustan), Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and...
@@krixpop it's called proto turkish. I am from Turkey and even though it has been hundreds of years I can %50-60 understand what they speak in the movie.
@@krixpop while there are thousands of females named Tomris in Turkic states including my country just show me one Tomris anywhere but a Turkic state. Now you can keep being jealous and a butthurt
Ksjs Jdjdb pls show me one source that’s shows them being 100% Siberian Turkic people’s. Reality is the Turks mixed with tons of groups as they came west much later. Then proceeded to steal all of their history
@@dulat не правильно Тюрки это предки всех кочевых народов,они образовались когда Саки смешались с гуннами. А турки это отдельная нация но тоже Тюрксая не путайте
Actualy in Ertugrul tv series great party propaganda and very islamic motive. Even when they came to Anatolia they were very nomadic, very shamanic, very Oghuz Turkic. Even Osman name too lie.
It is funny to watch the angry reaction of the Iranians to this movie. I guess they are not up to date with modern genetic and anthropological studies on remains from kurgans in Kazakhstan, which show a gradual transition of the originally Iranic Sakas (Eastern Scythians) towards mixed and then Asian composition in terms of their appearance and genetics. This transition took place between 1000 AD and 300AD. By the end of this process the Sakas were assimilated by the incoming Hunnic and Turkic peoples coming from the East. Facial reconstruction shows predominantly Asian appearance in the Altai and Siberian Sakas by 700-500 AD. The genomes of modern-day Kazakhs are about 1/3 Indo-European/Scythian (or even earlier Botai culture), 1/3 Turkic and 1/3 Mongol and this reflects very well the history of the nomads who lived in the Great Steppe in Kazakhstan for thousands of years. Thus, Kazakhs are entitled to make this movie about their ancestors - as these Sakas were our ancestors, not of modern day Iranians. Moreover, Sakas constantly fought with Persians and looked very different from them. Persians themselves portrayed them as very different from themselves on the relief frescos on the walls of Persepolis. Persians are pictures with curvy hair and beards and narrow faces whereas as Sakas are always pictured with straight/wavy hair, almond-shaped eyes and raised cheek bones. Kazakhs preserved the original way of life and even clothing of the Scythians for hundreds of years. So, the brave nomad queen Tomiris is OUR heroine and not the one for the Persians! She herself would not want to be counted as a Persian for sure...
Who ever said she was persian? Iranian ≠ persian. The Scythians were ethnically, linguistically, and culturally IRANIC. Moreover, the whole culture of ALL turkic peoples after ruling over persians is primarily and heavily influenced by their culture (which is why they're called a Persianate society).
@@hisholiness4537 The Scythians were ethnically, linguistically, and culturally IRANIC. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was never really proven considering that: 1) Scythians did not have their own written literature, let alone Iranic literature. 2) Scythians were a very mixed bunch geographically (western Scythians, eastern Sakas, Tien-Shan Sakas, Pazyryk Sakas, Sarmations etc). We already know from studies on skulls and DNA that the OLDEST Scythians actually lived in the Altay mountains (nomadic lifestyle evolved first in the Eastern part of the Steppe). 3. Scythians have existed for about 500-700 yers and they were changing morphologically all of the time as the Great Steppe was continuously receiving migrants from Siberia, Altay and other eastern territories occupied by the ancestors of the Turkic peoples. . Therefore, it is naive and wrong to claim that all Scythians were IRANIC. Perhaps some were, but others were likely not, some looked distinctly Asian/Mongoloid from the earliest periods of the Scythian culture - look up reconstructions of the frozen mummies of the Pazyryk and Altay Sakas and the faces of Scythians on their golden jewelry found in Kazakhstan and Central Asia.
Atro Patene you’re good even I don’t know which historians told schytians were turks while its proof they were iranian speaking people,in that era turk and mongol were same.massagetas weren’t turks were scythians and schytians were iranic not all of them iranians but all of them iranian speakers and stop bull shet about history when you have no evidence.
@@aradsstates9584 What the Fuck is iranic ?? cos İranic term is not older than 1000 year..and it made by Turkic kaganetes..Cos araps and greeks DELETED PERSİANS..so Turks came and ruled iran 1000 year till 1924 ish..Still half of their population is OGhuz Turks ( Azerbajians) All Scythian dna result..Life style wepons beleieve how they live how they barry deaths % 101 TURKİC...When did you ever lived like Scythians ???Why you claim something JUST with language ? YET ? Half of world atm is French or English ? Cos we all speak English as main ? Why you ignore 100 MORE fact shown they are Turkic ? BUT ONLY language make em iranic???They used persians cos they used proto persians SOGD as PLEB vs China and bussines with rest..totaly same as 2021 world..like how Dollar and English RUle..Turkic heritages always had problem with Chinese they never contact directly..always used some plebs..like Soghds..even they are melt under Turkich kaganetes... and become ( Tajiks - father of all real pers ) SO EVEN the Fucking iranian culture you cannot split away from Turkic effect..SO Persian language choiced as bussines and cos of SOGD effetcs..but as you says..it will not made scythians PERS..cos Sogds and some other proto pers wasnt even % 1-2 as population in stepps...
Tomris, Tomiris or Tamiris is a Turkic female name used in Azerbaijan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Kazakhstan. The name is a modern Turkish derivation of Tomyris an ancient Iranian Massagetae queen from Central Asia.
Iranians are not nomads. Pls check ancient Saka (Massaget)jewelry where depicted faces belong to Turkic characters I.e. small yes and high sculls, not Iranian.
@@user-ze7td5zh6j no . they were like Parth and mades .you can check the Shahnameh by Ferdowsi (turan /Afrasiab , / Farangis .persian pahlavi name and ...) and also Igor M. Diakonoff call the that era EASTERN IRAN and Vasily Abaev also believe that according to Avesta they were Iranian but in deferent place and deferent language (like ferdowsi writing language ) :)
Actually, Tomaris belongs to Uzbeks. Because, she and her nations lived among Amudarya and Syrdarya. So, the main connection the history with Uzbeks 🇺🇿🇺🇿🇺🇿.
@@KeriN0s Sak dilindedir, kimse bilmez yagni dogru mu ya yanlis mi konusuyorlar ama kazaklar yapmis onun icin biraz sorunlar neye kazakca yok diye insanlar kiziyorlar
A movie on a Scythian peoples, ooooo. I must admit, I am excited to see it, and the other comments here seem favorable and, bonus points for me, compliment historical accuracy. Costumes to my knowledge look very good, and I dont get to see many shows on the time period and place. Legendary campaign of Cyrus from the other perspective. Perhaps will be another Barbarians (just first season.), Well known story told as a Scythian triumph instead of a Persian disaster. I like it
scythian have noting to do whit turks they was iranic Brittanica Scythian, also called Scyth, Saka, and Sacae, member of a nomadic people, originally of Iranian stock, known from as early as the 9th century BCE who migrated westward from Central Asia to southern Russia and Ukraine in the 8th and 7th centuries BCE. The Scythians founded a rich, powerful empire centred on what is now Crimea. The empire survived for several centuries before succumbing to the Sarmatians during the period from the 4th century BCE to the 2nd century CE.
Аудармашы жалдайық па? Қуанбайсың ба осындай Ханшайым болғанына! Сөздер күнде өзгеріп жатыр, кеше телеаизор бүгін теледидар. Ертең басқа халықтар айтады, біздікі ғой, ана сөз бурят тілінде деп уже қуып жатыр.
Massa-Getae was relatives to Tisa-Getae tribes located within Carpathian mountains. Getae was relatives to Thracian and Dacian people. It is not about current division of worships or cultures. In that time there were diferrent dieties and customs than today and also different than what we understand today that the ancient Massagetae and Persians should be. TOMIRIS come from root "MIR" which means "WORLD" or "EARTH AND HEAVEN" +suffix "-is" with meaning "child or succesor of" or "coming from". Tomiris defeated the King of Kings and of World and of all 4 Corners of World, the Kyros (Cyrus) the Great. Finally after the famous battle, when Kyros was killed, Tomiris immersed Kyroses' head into a bag full of blood and said her famous speach: "Let allow him to satisfy his neverending thirsty for blood." So Tomiris had to understood very well the toxic Kyroses' character and ill ideology of Kyroses' empire machinery. Mather Earth represented by women power came to get lessons to harmfull goals of an early imperial machinery.
ill ideology in fact came from peoples like you Jan Mihalus , who cant understand what made Cyrus Great who today receiving all nations respect and Trump cant believed one day at the coin stand beside Him, Cyrus was the King of the world, the King of Kings since there were no more kings in the realm (Brown, 1995;Olmstead, 1948; Herodotus, 1984). He was a genius military general and a brilliant political leader with grand ambitions, with a macro managerial approach, and a globlal desig His vision was to form a synthesis or universal civilization on cooperative and integrative bases incorporating with respect through inter-learning processes all cultures and civilizations of the time. He was also a man of great energy and talents but a man of wisdom and tolerance. His charismatic leadership transcended all boundaries of races, colors, religions, and nationalities. He was highly regarded by Persians and many non-Persians in all corners of the extended Empire. Persians called him the "Father," Greeks and Babylonians called him the "Law-Giver," and Jews called him the Savor and Deliverer (Cook, 1983;Herodotus, 1984; Olmstead, 1948)
Prin acest film kazahii ne fură istoria Dar se mai confirmă că mesageții fiind rude peregrine ale dacilor (În film express se vorbește despre daci, Argun fiind fiul unui rege dac), dominau și stepele dincolo de răul Nipru Tiras tot e un nume de origine dacă !!!
@@VCH-RO Cred ca pe Daniel Roxin am auzit ca Sarmisegetuza este defapt combinarea cuvintelor: Sarmatii ( Sarmi ) si (se) Getii ( get) impreuna (uza) ... edit: Sarmatii fiind Sciti/masogeti
Central Asia has always been a motherland of ancient Turkic tribes. Iran is the name of the geographic area South of Caspian sea. There is no such thing as an Iranian people, there are Persians who try to absorb everything that even remotely connected to the geography of that area.
@@karmoddisticaret9826 no it's a scientific fact that Scythians were an Iranic people and not Turkic. But you have to understand that Iranic does not mean Iranian.
Horfinn Durron scientific fact ? Check Automasal Dna of Hunnic Scythian sarmatian burials. In various genealogy sites foruns. Altaiyans are genetically the most closest to ancients central Asian Peoples.
My question to the Turks is why do you think this film is relevant to you? Two Iranian peoples fighting each other., Persians and Massagetae (were an ancient Eastern Iranian nomadic tribal confederation, who inhabited the steppes of Central Asia)
@@karachaybalkar We literally have proof in the form of Ossetian, Pashto, Pamiri and Yaghnobi languages. All these Eastern Iranian languages have been proven by linguistics to be the descendants of the Scythian/Saka languages. Scythians are Iranian stop coping
Cyrus was the King of the world, the King of Kings since there were no more kings in the realm (Brown, 1995;Olmstead, 1948; Herodotus, 1984). He was a genius military general and a brilliant political leader with grand ambitions, with a macro managerial approach, and a globlal desig His vision was to form a synthesis or universal civilization on cooperative and integrative bases incorporating with respect through inter-learning processes all cultures and civilizations of the time. He was also a man of great energy and talents but a man of wisdom and tolerance. His charismatic leadership transcended all boundaries of races, colors, religions, and nationalities. He was highly regarded by Persians and many non-Persians in all corners of the extended Empire. Persians called him the "Father," Greeks and Babylonians called him the "Law-Giver," and Jews called him the Savor and Deliverer (Cook, 1983;Herodotus, 1984; Olmstead, 1948)
Queen Tomiris got support with heavy cavalry from Lechistan (Poland) in final battle against Cyrus the Great. That's why she won. That's real history, we all know Tomiris story in Lechistan. Greeting for Masagots ( East Steppe Gots).
if they teach real history their imperial made future will crack ^^ Poland and most of North places already Kypcaks lands with some other nomads..even in 2021 many Kypcak Dna alive in poland
TOMIRIS - Absolutely Turkic. Here are 2 absolute proofs and facts. 1) Ethimologically: Tomyris meaning iron in english comes from Tomris, an ancient Turkish word which is “demir” in current Turkish. And it is always similar word in any kind of Turkish languages. There are many examples in history. Just like Timur Han. His name was also same. The reasons will come in 2nd proof. Actaully Greek recorders recorded her names as tomir+is, tomyr+is or demir+ys or something like that. Just how could say her name. 2) Culturally: In Turks, the naming was not given, it was something to be earned. Since “demir” was the strongest material known in the past to become the topic of an “age”, it was given to strong people such as rulers. Tomris and timur were just like that. 3) Researches. Many countries such as russians, other Turkish countries and the rest scientifically researched central asia and southern russian, in short possible sychtians or saka zone to conclude for she and also scythians were Turkic. Why? Because culturally they were totally Turkish, buildings, beliefs or living styles. Every excavation pointed into that. For example many scythian kurgans were found, a classic Turkish structure type. Even its name shows how Turkish was it, given to its aggluginative language structure: kur+gan means (the thing) built. The words and suffixes are still being used so widely. Plus, Turks were the first craftsman who were able to craft things out of iron, according to chinese scripts. They were so famed that, these people were named after iron in their language. yeah Turk mean iron and also its kanji was shaped as a helmet, just like the shape of their known origins by them, altay mountains. 4) Literature: There are many legends written by them in Turkish still exist. Well this may not be proof for her, but the people she ruled and her origins. and persians? come on, they were only kids playing in kindergarten compared to dates she lived. and with no power at that. and i dont believe so they have this “demir” word in their langauge.
bizim filmleri de Kazak yönetmen çeksin bizimkiler kötü. Kazaklar çok iyi çekiyor efsane 🎖️ hatta Diriliş Ertuğrul un dövüş sahneleri için Kazaklar la çalışıldığını biliyorum. Adamlar çok iyi
Massagatae people on the west side of Indus were known as Mahajatt ( sanskirt translation of Massagatae ) . And present day Jats are decendents of Mahajatt.
The big problem with claiming Tomiris by modern Iranians is that those Scythians were actually the enemies of the Persians and this was not just a single battle. Their nomadic lifestyle and culture were very completely different from those of the settled Persians. These nomads called their land Turan. Turan was the enemy of Iran. The Turanians of the Great Steppe absorbed a lot of later migrants from the East including the Huns, Avars and Turkic peoples. They gradually became Turcified but this happened over hundreds of years. You can see that in the features of the skulls of the Scythians from the burial mounds as they show a gradual transition from Indo-European to more Asian shapes. The genetics of modern Turkic peoples, especially the Kazakhs shows great genetic diversity revealing this multilayered history. For example, my own tribe the Argyn, all males carry the G1 Y chromosome haplotype, which came originally from West Persia. Also, culturally and spiritually Kazakhs are much more similar to those ancient Turanians, while Uzbeks are more similar to Persians. So, yes, Tomiris is very much relevant to modern Kazakhs as the Scythians were among our ancestors and their nomadic culture lived on through the ages and became the Kazakh culture. Just like the Scythian women, Kazakh women were brave warriors who often fought alongside their men and they were not slaves to their men wrapped in cloth as in Persia.
you're stealing iran's history , scythian were also a iranian people , they were not turk . even the name tomiris came from the persian toham ris . STOP STEALING OTHER NATIONS HISTORY
No you stealing all Turkish history ..! 40% of to day"iran" is Turkish Azerbajani land Skhytes was ancestors of Kazaks Kirgizs Oguzs(Seljuks) Turkmens Tatars ..many Persian kings was with Turkish origin even some persian dynasty history with roots from Altay mountains ..take care with your arab cousins bicouse you have same dna
@@hektor74 first thing first , im not persian . And this is a big lie . Azerbaijanis are not 40 % and then again Azerbaijanis are genetically Iranians . They have all Iranian dna . And Their language changed in 100 years ago so technically they're not Turkish . tomiris and Scythians are 100% Iranian . The names are Iranian . The Scythian culture is Iranian . Even now ossetians (what is left of Scythians) call their language iran . Turkish propoganda is all lies . Lies lies lies and lies . Shame on you and your whole nation . Shame
@@smerdis8305 Changed? Arminians was 1000 years under Turkish rule WHY never accept turkish language?i know your answer..bicouse they was heroes and stupid....
@@Flammenhagel Scythians are Iranic poeple and their ancient Turkish enemies will remain foe till eternity. Turko-mongolians making movies about Scythians is like Hitler claiming Jewish culture in a movie! Ridiculous...
Po slovam rezhissera eto byl iskusstvenno pridumannyi yazyk dlya fil'ma, smes' farsi I drevnetyurkskogo yazyka. Tak kak po slovam uchenyh skify I saki govorili na odnom iz indoiranskih yazykov (pravda dostovernyh pis'menmyh artefaktov na etom yazyke ne sohranilos' ), a deistviya fil'ma proiskhodyat primerno v 5 veke do nashei ery vo vremya pravleniya Kira Velikogo, a epoha tyurkov nastala v 5om veke nashei ery, eti 1000 let raznitsy prishlis' na epohu gunnov, kotorye skoree vsego govorili na proto-tyurkskom, na etom yazyke takje ne sokhranilis' i ne bylo kakih-libo pis'mennyh artefaktov, to, rezhissery vsego lish' sdelali svoyu versiyu. A dostovernye artefakty na drevnetyurkskom yazyke datiruyutsya vsego lish' 5-6m vekami nashei ery Orhono-Eniseiskimi runicheskimi stellami. To byl, yazyk goktyurkov (koktyurkov).
Voobshe-to6 po issledovaniyam genetika Klesova, prototurki uzhe byli 5 000 let nazat do nashey ery ! Poslushayte Klesova6 kotoryi oprovergaet nadumannuyu teoriyu akademicheskoy nauki
@@user-ge4co9dp2p Kakoi klesov. Geny u vseh lyudei byli I budut, yesche do togo kak lyudi stali delit'sya na natsii. Eti geny govoryat lish' o migratsii tselyh grupp lyudei po zemnomu sharu. No nichego bolee.
Arkadaslar turkce altyazi talep edip durmayin, film zaten turkce, tarihi eski turkcede, kokumuze donme zamani geldi, en onemli cumle sonunda, Tomris:" Hey, ozguryurek, turan erleri, Tek Tek (bolunmus halde) bizlerin yuzerine dusman galip gelir, birlesirsek dusmani kana bogariz. Hep beraber dusmana nasil savasilmasi gerektigini gosterelim"
Cyrus the great is the greatest monarch in human history he himself literally created human rights in this world this movie is nothing but a shitty propaganda
Türkiye'den selamlar bütün Türk Turan yurtlarına. Yiğit Tomris Hatun soyuna kut olsun. TR KZ Hi from Turkey to all Turk world. Hero Tomris is proud of Turkish History to show to wolrd Turkish woman power. See you in TURAN inşallah. TR KZ We never don't take our heroes to Persian racism or europan lies.
Renáta Béres Iran and turan were like spartans and Athenians. Their names ,beliefs , behaves and we have that in national persian book Shah-nameh all places and names are completely indo-european names near to avesten and sanskrit. They were iranian. The words remain also near to persian. Scythians and sarmatians were iranic tribes and ossetians of georgia are descendants of them. We don't have ural-altaic. It was abolished. Central asia had iranic before. Kharazm , Soghd (uzbekistan) , Tokharians , bukhara , Marv , Gotganj and all were persian citiea that their inhabitants assimilated oe killed because of turko mongols expansion. R1a is for slavic , North indians , tajiks , iran and afghans who are aryans And in the end story is a lie because other historians said otherwise about death of cyrus.
she united tribes from Armenia, Turkey, Georgia, Russia, Azerbaijan, and East Europe.The massagetae were a branch from the great thracian tribes such as dacians, getians, etc.At the shores of modern Romania we have a ancient city called Tomis, firt believed to be of greek settlers but most likely constructed for her.Massagetae were indo-europeans that used to live in the valley that is now the Black sea, after the Great flood the tribes divided and reached all the shores of the flooded valley that became the Black Sea in order to survive.In the northern part of the sea the massagetae were expanding from east Romania to the Ural Mountains.In the south, parts of Turkey and Asia.She is a part of the legends of every nation living around the Black Sea.Indo-europeans were a mix of asian and europeeans, some of the first people that spreaded in Asia and Europe.All after the flood, they survived mostly due to the combined asian and european fighting and riding skills.legend sais they invented the horse sattle and the sattle ladders, making them more stable when riding and using their bow simoultaneously.Even better than mongols, but we talking thousands of years apart.
Exactly- Masagetai (Latin- masagetae) were one of many tribes of Guds (Goths in English, Geths in Latin, Los Godos- in Spanish). In Romania, Bulgaria territory lived Thracs, the Southern Guds. Dacia- later Kingdom of them. Only 2 languages left now- Lithuanian and Latvian, with some words in Romanian language. Goths WERE NOT Germans. Trakai- the town in Lithuania. Jurate Statkute de Rosales the researcher
What the hell are you talking about? The were Scythians living all across Central Asia - all the way to the Altai mountains. Their heartland was actually in Central Asia and not Europe. There is a valley where the largest of the kurgans are located where Scythian kings and queens were buried - and it is near the Almaty, Kazakhstan.
The Scythians are truly impressive people. I would love to know whether they could understand the Persians as they were Iranian as well speaking an Iranian language. What I don't understand is why do the actors look so Asian/Mongolian in that movie? Was that movie funded by a pro-turkic government to promote the falsification of history? Scythians were light-skinned, blonde Iranians.
Ancient DNA studies from the kurgans and comparative genomics clearly shows that Sakas (Eastern Scythians) were among the ancestors of modern Kazakhs. Kazakh genomes are about 1/3 European/Scythian, about 1/3 Turkic and about 1/3 Mongol on average. The Scythian genome was the foundation for evolution of the Kazakh genetics as these Iranic ancestors absorbed later invasions of Huns, Turkic peoples and Mongols. Anthropological studies on skulls from ancient kurgans show a gradual shift from European to mixed to Asian features in the apearance of the nomads who lived in Kazakhstan between 1000 BC to 500 AD. This is to say that modern Kazakhs are very much entitled to claim Tomiris and other Sakas among their ancestors.
@@aabzhano scythian have noting to do whit turks they was iranic Brittanica Scythian, also called Scyth, Saka, and Sacae, member of a nomadic people, originally of Iranian stock, known from as early as the 9th century BCE who migrated westward from Central Asia to southern Russia and Ukraine in the 8th and 7th centuries BCE. The Scythians founded a rich, powerful empire centred on what is now Crimea. The empire survived for several centuries before succumbing to the Sarmatians during the period from the 4th century BCE to the 2nd century CE.
@@brightburnedits4278 Except you forget that Scythians were the ancestors of many Turkic peoples and paleogenetic studies on Scythian DNA from kurgans show that they Eastern Scythians (Sakas and Altay Scythians) are closely genetically related to Kazakhs and Kyrgyz. First, R1a_z93 haplogroup which was common in Scythians an Iranic haplogroup. This haplogroup is very broadly distributed among the peoples of Central Asia, South Asia and various Turkic peoples. This haplogroup is most common (>30%) in the South Siberian Altai region of Russia among the local Turkic peoples, it is actually very rare among the Iranians. Second, Scythians did not comprise a single group culturally or genetically. The Western Scythians were very different from the Sakas (Eastern Scythians), who had a very large Altaic (East-Eyrasian) genetic component from the beginning of their origin. R1a was dominant in the Western Scythians but the Sakas were much more diverse, we know from genetic studies that they had R1a, R1b, G1, G1, I2a2, N1, R1b1b1, R1b1b2, G2a and J2. mtDNA and autusomal genetic comparisons show that among the modern peoples the closest to West-most Sakas are Tatars, Bashkirs and the closest to East-most Sakas, such as Pazyryk Sakas are modern Khakas and Kazakh peoples. Far from all Kazakhs have C haplogroup, large Kazakh tribes such as Argyn (G1 + J1) and Kypchak (R1b + J2) have no C haplogroup present and these tribes certainly represent products of Scythian and/or Iranic assimilation by the Turkic peoples in what is now Kazakhstan.
@@aabzhano You are just another turkic history stealer SCYTIANS WERE IRANIC IT HAS NOTING TO DO WHIT THE TURKS LOL [12]Ivantchik 2018: "Scythians, a nomadic people of Iranian origin [...]"Harmatta 1996, p. 181: "[B]oth Cimmerians and Scythians were Iranian peoples."Sulimirski 1985, pp. 149-153: "During the first half of the first millennium B.C., c. 3,000 to 2,500 years ago, the southern part of Eastern Europe was occupied mainly by peoples of Iranian stock [...] [T]he population of ancient Scythia was far from being homogeneous, nor were the Scyths themselves a homogeneous people. The country called after them was ruled by their principal tribe, the "Royal Scyths" (Her. iv. 20), who were of Iranian stock and called themselves "Skolotoi" [...]"West 2002, pp. 437-440: "[T]rue Scyths seems to be those whom [Herodotus] calls Royal Scyths, that is, the group who claimed hegemony [...] apparently warrior-pastoralists. It is generally agreed, from what we know of their names, that these were people of Iranian stock [...]"Rolle 1989, p. 56: "The physical characteristics of the Scythians correspond to their cultural affiliation: their origins place them within the group of Iranian peoples."Rostovtzeff 1922, p. 13: "The Scythian kingdom [...] was succeeded in the Russian steppes by an ascendancy of various Sarmatian tribes - Iranians, like the Scythians themselves."
What a fake movie just like the entire turkic history. Tomyris was an iranic woman, she was a scythian. And cyrus having a war against her isnt accurate but one of the theories.
The big problem with claiming Tomiris by modern Iranians is that those Scythians were actually the enemies of the Persians and this was not just a single battle. Their nomadic lifestyle and culture were very completely different from those of the settled Persians. These nomads called their land Turan. Turan was the enemy of Iran. The Turanians of the Great Steppe absorbed a lot of later migrants from the East including the Huns, Avars and Turkic peoples. They gradually became Turcified but this happened over hundreds of years. You can see that in the features of the skulls of the Scythians from the burial mounds as they show a gradual transition from Indo-European to more Asian shapes. The genetics of modern Turkic peoples, especially the Kazakhs shows great genetic diversity revealing this multilayered history. For example, my own tribe the Argyn, all males carry the G1 Y chromosome haplotype, which came originally from West Persia. Also, culturally and spiritually Kazakhs are much more similar to those ancient Turanians, while Uzbeks are more similar to Persians. So, yes, Tomiris is very much relevant to modern Kazakhs as the Scythians were among our ancestors and their nomadic culture lived on through the ages and became the Kazakh culture. Just like the Scythian women, Kazakh women were brave warriors who often fought alongside their men and they were not slaves to their men wrapped in cloth as in Persia.
@@aabzhano Not gonna read through your sad panturk comment, tomyris is an eastern iranic woman that even spoke a similar language to other iranic languages such as farsi, kurdish, pashto and others. The sad part over here is turks claiming she is turkic and lived her life giving herself title as khatun, now isnt that redicoulous? Get a life. The world doesnt revolve around your ethnicity that wasnt relevant perhaps until 20th century under ataturk 👍
According to Dandamayev, the stories told by Greek historians have more of the color and smell of a novel than the description of a real event. Although we do not know the exact truth of Cyrus' death, it is clear that he was buried in Pasargadae.
Muhteşem böylesi bir destanı film yaptığınız için teşekkürler kandaşlarım. Yapımcılar inşallah OĞUZ KAAN DESTANI NIN DA filmini yaparlar. Arkadaşlar beğeninde yukarıya çıksın yorum. Kazakça vs dilleri bilen kandaşlarım da destek versinler BÜYÜK TÜRK Oğuz kaan filmi gelsin.
Scythians were definitely a nomadic culture (no other culture would survive in the steppes of Central Asia) and they contributed culturally and genetically to all later nomads in the area.
Best movie! I love this movie! Great Queen! Great Kazakhstan! from Corea!
I didn't expect such a movie, but this is brilliant one. Must be the best Turkic movie ever made. No more words to say...
Before commenting,please read this:
People in antiquity did not identify their ethnicity based on the language they speak. Life styles, customs and traditions were more important. E.g. Think about Early Roman Empire.
Name is an important parameter to analyze a person’s identity. Confusing part is name variations in different languages.
For instance Persian king Cyrus = Kiros = Keyhusrev (You see the change. When people called him in Persian, it was the same sound as when a person read Keyhusrev in Persian. I verified original name with an Iranian friend. It is Keyhusrev. Greek ears of Herodotus heard this sound as Kiros and probably some latin ears heard it as Cyrus - like a Roman name)
Tomyris => Tomris => Tomur => Temir (means “Iron” in Kazakh, Uzbekh, Kyrgyz) => Demir (means “Iron” in Turkish)
Let’s think about where she had lived. The Massagetae was an ancient tribal confederation placed in modern Turkmenistan, western Uzbekistan and Southern Kazakhstan.
Massagetaens had worshipped to the sun and sky. Iranians had more complex religions(more than one) which all have a creator of everything (the god as people name it nowadays)
Let’s see how old scholars attributed them
Procopius writes in History of the Wars Book III: The Vandalic War: "the Massagetae whom they now call Huns" (XI. 37.), there was a certain man among the Massagetae, well gifted with courage and strength of body, the leader of a few men; this man had the privilege handed down from his fathers and ancestors to be the first in all the Hunnic armies to attack the enemy (XVIII. 54.).
Evagrius Scholasticus (Ecclesiastical History. Book 3. Ch. II.): "and in Thrace, by the inroads of the Huns, formerly known by the name of Massagetae, who crossed the Ister without opposition".
According to Guive Mirfendereski at the Circle of Ancient Iranian Studies (CAIS), the Massagetae are synonymous with the Sakā haumavargā of South Asian historiography.
By the way I don’t consider Herodotus is a very reliable source but always a good starting point. According to Herodotus: “In their dress and mode of living the Massagetae resemble the Scythians. Each man has but one wife, yet all the wives are held in common; for this is a custom of the Massagetae and not of the Scythians.“I don’t know what to think about these claims but one take away would be about women in Massagaetans. Turkic tribes had different gender values than now, women were equal to men and they were also fighters.
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Very pleasantly surprised by this movie! It shows what you can call Amazons as mentioned by Herodotus, the introduction of iron technology to an otherwise bronze culture, burial placement and offerings, and several historically accurate details of the nomadic life. My hat off to producers and directors!!!
@Octavio_26 Thus in the movie they show iron technology brought in by merchants.
@@Mercvrio5369 That is the nature of the relationship between nomads and urbanites. Nomads often helped move or protect the goods and purchased supplies from the urbanites.
Great movie, I have no words. The East is slowly waking up when it comes to making movies. All the best. I was especially impressed by actresses Almira and Aizhan. It would be nice for them to stay in their country and continue making other films, which will of course be better and better.
I read about this warrior queen few years ago, in Herodot book fragments pointed out by Polish journalist Kapuściński. Her legend survived through milenia already.
Herodot wasn't historian, he was a bullshitter
She was a strong warrior in our true story. Thank you Qazaq people for the film.
Not a true story. It's completely fictional.
Tarihin ilk İmparatoriçesi, Türk balası Tomris'in filmini çeken, destekleyen herkese selam olsun!
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Alper abi, Göktürk üçlemesinide bekliyoruz..
senin filminide sabirsizlikla bekliyoruz Alper abi, #caglararts #gokturkuclemesi
Alper ağabeyim senin filmini de 40 gözle bekliyoruz. İyi ki varsın. Bu arada inşAllah bir daha başına kötü bi olay gelmez.
@Ksjs Jdjdb kardeş, instagramda Göktürk filmini takip et orada herseyi detaylarıyla yazıyor son paylaşımında Alper abi..
@Ksjs Jdjdb eyvallah, alper abinin filmini duyuralım destek çıkalım..
I just watch it on 27.09.2019! This is the best movie so far! They speak in an ancient Turkic (not Turkish) language because the director made it as much genuine as possible. Enjoy the movie great people of Turan (Turkic nations)!
hi. do you know if there's an english sub version? thanks!
LONG LIVE TURAN!
@@chetori__ Even in the trailer she sayd she's massagetae who were releated to the western brothers, Getae
Except that she was Scythian and not Turkic
@@hamdoulaa Scythian are the same as Ottomans many ethnicities exists. And many Turkic group have been Scythian. Persians and Turkic people have a long period of cultural exchange and she fought against Persians.
Thank you! I saw it, amazing! Greetings from Hungary! You are Brothers and Sisters!
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@danikocka Zarina, Tomiris, Mede, Attila and Sakhs and Huns are the ancestors of Kazakhs, Hungarians and all the Turkic peoples.🐺💪👊💥👏👏👍👍
I haven't seen the movie yet, but this is one brilliant trailer. Whoever edited this has my respect. I've seen it so many times. Can't wait to watch the movie.
Here I am watching the trailer again only to find my comment. Certainly among the top historical movies, a real masterpiece!
This movie about Central Asia, specially about Qassak people!
@@nightsky3409 Qassak as in the people from Kazakstan?
@@fahadus IMDB is telling a different story but I can imagine that it's a touchy subject for some.
@@alluraambrose2978 My God! I just saw it. They've review bombed it to the ground lol. You'll see that there are 78% 1 star reviews. So it's a smear campaign kind of a thing. The rest are good.
The bad reviews all seem to be mad about the fact that it was made by Kazak people. In the movie however, they did not mention once that Massagettae were Turkic. I'm not super familiar with the politics of the area so I wouldn't comment on that. It's a silly thing to fight over genetics of long gone people. I personally loved this movie. It's well made and showed Cyrus the Great the respect he deserved even in this version of the history. Which made me respect the filmmakers more. I believe there are 3 versions of his death in historical records, this one preferred by early historians the most.
I am from Hungary. I will to watch this film.
Turanic brother
How I watch the movie?????
Томирис @!$& инн на новости из них және байағ батыр
Megerte
You hunnic descendants of Hungary has nothing to do with iranic scythians.
I don't understand the controversy, Kazakhs are the modern inheritors of the steppe and its culture, why shouldn't they be allowed to make a film about it?
They aren't tho. Kazakhs are Turkic. Scythians and all Scythian tribes including the Massagetae, Saka, Sarmatians, Alans, Iasygez were all Iranian people who spoke Eastern Iranian languages, related to modern day languages like Ossetian, Pashto, Pamiri, Yaghnobi etc. There is controversy because this movie makes the Scythians look like Kazakhs and speak the Kazakh language. When in reality, Scythians resembled Europeans, they had high Indo-European ancestry and most of them had blonde and red hair with light features. They were Iranian just like Cyrus
@@vagabond57097 sheshennin koti suka
@@vagabond57097But they were assimilated in 500-600x years by turkic people that came from Altay mountains
@vagabond57097 Also now you people are mad that a movie has the wrong race of historical characters.
You are mad they are not european white.
In reality the massagetae were not white, iranian, red headed, blonde or indo European that is a lie from the post Columbus 1492 europe colonized world. . White washing history.
Most iranians are blonde with red hair today? No!
You are angry that the movie is depicting massagetae looking as the people that live in that region today... pure hypocrisy,
I can name you hundreds of films and regions today in which Europeans do the same thing or claim the people living there today are the same people as ancient times like.. the Egyptians for one example.
Apparently historical colonization
Only happened to white people.
Europeans love depicting everyone as white.
Je rigole car chaque fois que le mérite en revient aux TURKS on invente des conneries pour contournés ce palmarès, Attila le hun de l'ouest était Turk, gengis khan descendant et l'héritier des huns de l'est donc TURK, les ottomans était turc... Tomris khatun était turcique arrété de déformer l'histoire, l'histoire revient a ceux qui l'on écrit soyez respectueux !!!
Трудно передать словами тот восторг и трепет, который испытываю смотря трейлер фильма! Наконец-то дождался этого момента, когда все сошлось... время, финансы, новые технологии в съемке, выросло поколение прекрасных актеров и такой талантливый режиссёр как А.Сатаев снял фильм о Томирис! С нетерпением жду премьеры! Вовремя, очень даже вовремя, новому тюркскому возрождению нужна эта легенда, какие люди жили в большой Степи, чьими потомками мы являемся! Удачи фильму в прокате! Признания и больших кассовых сборов!
Queen Tomiri was a ruler in parts of modern-day Turkmenistan, Afghanistan,
western Uzbekistan, and southern Kazakhstan.
Check the map of Slavic (Arian) haplogroup R1a1DNA - 25000 years old.
(Australian
Centre for Ancient DNA - University of Adelaide)
Scythia Europe:
Sorbs (Lusitzi) 63%
Polish 55%
Byelorussians 50%
Russians 46%
Lithuanians 45%
Ukrainians 43%
Scythia Asia
Kyrgyz people 63%
Pashtuns (Pakistan, Afghanistan) 40-45%
North West India 48-72%,
Alibek Azhmagambet
Scythians were eastern iranic people not turkic.
Tomyris was an Iranian Massagetae. Scythians were Iranians. Her name means brave in Iranian
Shapur the great in Torkekhar vaghean khareh 😂🤣
Алеке🤚👍👍
Tomiris hepimizin özüdür, tarihidir. Umarım Türkiye'de de yayınlanır bu film🇹🇷🇰🇿🇹🇷🇰🇿
@@yerkeyerke4856 Assalaumuagaleikum Turk dunyasy jasasyn
@@Showentertaiment Ualeikumsalam! yasasin!
Turkey is not speak in Turk language in present time , you are all in oblivion
@@user-nf3yh7yx4k let´s call it cultural change and not oblivion. there are still many people, who speaks the different versions of this beautiful language. don´t forget, cultural change can´t be stopped.
like the turks became muslims, what is really sad for me. that´s a total oblivion of a equal socitiy and kulture =( but everything need to change to not be forgotten.
To all pan Turks: Massagetae and Tomyris were eastern Iranian people and not Turks (Turks never exist in that time) so do not claim her and Massagetae as "Turkish heritage"
A fantastic film. I keep thinking I wish it was a short mini-series instead. It would have made it possible to establish the different characters deeper and made the intrigues stronger and darker. Almira Tursyn is as strong as she is beautiful and makes an outstanding role performance. The make-up artists did a superb job and the characters age credibly. But there are two things that strike me the most. The first is all the magnificent horses. Last but not least, the uniquely powerful Language.
Dimash Kudaibergen new song"Qairan Elim" brought me here.
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Сол димашты әр тесікке тыға бермеңдерші! Шаршатыпаңдаршы!
Helal olsun ayakta alkışlıyorum yapim fragman cok guzel. Turkiyede de ancak osmanli dizileri yapilir. Sanki osmanlidan once kokenimiz yokmus gibi.
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*NOMAD DESCENDANTS OF THE GREAT STEPPE KAZAKHS* 🇰🇿🇰🇿🇰🇿🇰🇿🇰🇿👏👏👏👏👏
Massagetae were shakas there descendants are afghans,north iranians,slavs and western Indians kazakhs are turks
Incredible Masterpiece! This film shows the culture of Scythians and Sarmatians, because I'm in love with Scythian culture and I love the performance of Ghassan Massoud as Cyrus of Persia.
@Catch_Me_If_You_Can Well I believe at the Turkic people are descendants of the Scythians.
@Catch_Me_If_You_Can So you're just gonna throw the fact that turkic tribes lived much more oldest times in cental asia and the sakas were nomadic people which is within the turkic names and language . Im not gonna even try to explain just learn some history and search some science beceause geneticly its already proven sakas are turkic
@Catch_Me_If_You_Can This movie is just a cheap propaganda piece. Amazing that they even went so far to make them speak turkish when it is established fact that they were an iranian people who spoke iranian.
Scythians were an Iranian people, and Tomyris was Iranian Massagetae a branch of Iranian Scythians. Her name is Iranian and means brave
@@BrotherGamingTR Ancient DNA studies from the kurgans and comparative genomics clearly shows that Sakas (Eastern Scythians) were among the ancestors of modern Kazakhs. Kazakh genomes are about 1/3 European/Scythian, about 1/3 Turkic and about 1/3 Mongol on average. The Scythian genome was the foundation for evolution of the Kazakh genetics as these Iranic ancestors absorbed later invasions of Huns, Turkic peoples and Mongols. Anthropological studies on skulls from ancient kurgans show a gradual shift from European to mixed to Asian features in the apearance of the nomads who lived in Kazakhstan between 1000 BC to 500 AD. This is to say that modern Kazakhs are very much entitled to claim Tomiris and other Sakas among their ancestors.
Уау Томирис кору керек кутемин
Azerbaycandan bütün Türk qardaslarima va bacilarima salamlar 📜📜📜📯
😂😂😂sythians we’re not Turks
Köszönjük! Testvérek és Nővérek, eljött az ideje az új birodalom egyesítésnek!
Magyar? Hungarian?
@@newjansy yes he is Hungarian
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This is a great trailer!!!
damn ive been waiting for this film for ages!!!
Касактарга Сахалартан эҕэрдэ! Сразу видно что у нас с вами одни предки - Саки. Весь фильм не покидало чувство, что это и про нас Саха снято, все обряды, вера в духов, как погребали, имя девушки Сардаана, прям все. И заметил, раньше Касаки были язычниками, верили в духов и Таҥара? Так, мы Саха до наших дней сохранили эту веру. Вот бы приоткрыть тайны тех давних времен. К сожалению, нашу историю целеннаправленно уничтожали с тех пор как, сами знаете кто, пришли на наши земли. Фильм получился классный.
Сахаларға Қазақтардан салем!!! Да казахи были язычниками но хорошо что мы приняли ислам и сейчас являемся мусульманами!! Но мы вас любим и вы наши браться по крови, мы всегда с вами!! Надеюсь вы получите свою независимость от Рашистов!!
@@newjansy За всех не надо писать, вот мне ненравится что наши предки предали Тенгри и приняли чужую веру и всё просрали
One of my favorite stories, can't wait to see the film!
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@@yerkeyerke4856 Awesome!
Отличный, Великолепный фильм! Спасибо создателям фильма!
Thanks for representing our herein Tomaris. 🇺🇿🤝🇰🇿
I watched it on 29 Oct in Astana. There was only Russian dub with Kazakh subtitles available. I wish they could just show it with the original Old Turkic and Old Persian audio... the entire film crew and experts worked so hard to recreate it, only to be dubbed over!
Adrian Mei today is 12 oct. r u from the future?
It was amazing. Epic length. Tomiris is legendary.
Thank you for the movie of our ancestors:) Hungarian-yazig brotherhood
Yes the movie is about jats
Yerkebulan Niyetbayev рахмет:)
Hungarians were not Iranic
Renáta Béres Iranic, but not persian:)
Dishu Tomar this movie is about the ancestors of the Kazhak people and not about Indians.
Usually, people do not have the time or patience to read a book or history and are deceived by watching an easy story(a movie). This movie has a lot of historical flaws:
1. The people of the Massagetaes, Savromats(Sarmatian), and Dahae tribes were themselves Iranians, so their faces should look like Iranians.
2. The Turks and Mongols migrated to these lands almost ten centuries later due to climate change.
3. There are three different stories of the death of Cyrus from the three Greek historians:
*Ctesias; his history was based on Persian archives and state records, and therefore, was far superior to Herodotus' history.
*Herodotus' story of doubtful authenticity, is full of romantic stories, exotic anecdotes, court gossip, and lists that are of dubious reliability.
*Xenophon; claims that Cyrus died peacefully in his capital.
Of these three, the story of Ctesias is more plausible. Cyrus’s conquests in Central Asia were probably genuine, since a city in farthest Sogdiana was called Cyreschata or Cyropolis (see Britannica).
4- This movie does not even correspond to the story of Herodotus, and it tells some lies!
Tomyris's husband was Rustam and not Argun!
Spargapises had committed suicide in captivity, according to Herodotus!
5- This movie grossed $1.3 million against a production budget of $6.5 million. Give this money to Sasha Cohen(Borat) so that he does not make any movies against you.
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I agree with you
How dare you be logical?!
@@hisholiness4537 Dude, hope you are not brainwashed by Hollywood movies! All the countries whose names have the suffix "Stan" have had Iranic people. Because the suffix "Stan" means a state in different Iranian dialects. So these countries are brothers and no one is the enemy of the other and they don't trash out each other! Some of these countries:
Poland (Lehestan), Serbia(Serbstan), Hungary (Magyarstan), India( Hindustan), Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and...
This is film from Kazakhstan.🇰🇿 Film language don't Kazakh language. Old Turk language.
really?
@@fabricio-agrippa-zarate hehe, let them dream 😁
@@krixpop it's called proto turkish. I am from Turkey and even though it has been hundreds of years I can %50-60 understand what they speak in the movie.
@@krixpop while there are thousands of females named Tomris in Turkic states including my country just show me one Tomris anywhere but a Turkic state. Now you can keep being jealous and a butthurt
@@sinanermis5541
Seriously ?
When can we see it in the USA? Taking both my daughters to see it so they know the story of ancestors.
Did you ever find a way to watch it in US?
Ksjs Jdjdb the Turks can stop stealing Scythian as their own. Genetics have proven they were not Turkic.
Ksjs Jdjdb next you wil say there wasn’t an Armenian genocide.
Ksjs Jdjdb pls show me one source that’s shows them being 100% Siberian Turkic people’s. Reality is the Turks mixed with tons of groups as they came west much later. Then proceeded to steal all of their history
Ksjs Jdjdb nice copy paste without a link it’s bullshit have a nice night
Пожалуйста сделайте на турецком тоже, там очень большая аудитория
фильм древней турецкий снимали
@@user-qq4wb4hx2l 🤣🤣 не древне турецский. Сак массагетский🤦♂️
@@galante6707 он имел ввиду "древнетюрксий". "Тюрк" и "турок" это одно и тоже слово
@@dulat не правильно Тюрки это предки всех кочевых народов,они образовались когда Саки смешались с гуннами. А турки это отдельная нация но тоже Тюрксая не путайте
Мана сана пана и явладею древне тюркским😄
I'll be looking forward to seeing it in Poland!
Tomiris Azərbaycanın və türk dünyasının ən böyük qadın kökmdarıdır
@@bekbol5991 araxex azerbaycanda mi qazaqistanda mi?
Tomyris lived in Central Asia
Kazakh Azerbaycan Turkmen Uzbrk, Kırgyz and others we are all brothers and have common ancestors 💜
@@karmoddisticaret9826 Yes but not Scythians
@Cyrus King go to home child...Why are u cry ?..Look at This movie..This movie is Kazakh Turkic..
Ertugrul 👍 Tomiris (Tomris) 👍 ancestors of all Turks we can be proud of 🙏🇰🇿🇹🇷 🇦🇿
Actualy in Ertugrul tv series great party propaganda and very islamic motive. Even when they came to Anatolia they were very nomadic, very shamanic, very Oghuz Turkic.
Even Osman name too lie.
This war was Iranic(scytians)vs Iranic(Persians) and it has noting to do whit the turks
Turks=king of claim and history stealing😂😂
Trueeee
Nah, this was one of many times, when Turkic nomads f*cked your silly asses.
Only the Kazakhs led a nomadic lifestyle, not the Persians, the Persians only wrote books
It is funny to watch the angry reaction of the Iranians to this movie. I guess they are not up to date with modern genetic and anthropological studies on remains from kurgans in Kazakhstan, which show a gradual transition of the originally Iranic Sakas (Eastern Scythians) towards mixed and then Asian composition in terms of their appearance and genetics. This transition took place between 1000 AD and 300AD. By the end of this process the Sakas were assimilated by the incoming Hunnic and Turkic peoples coming from the East. Facial reconstruction shows predominantly Asian appearance in the Altai and Siberian Sakas by 700-500 AD. The genomes of modern-day Kazakhs are about 1/3 Indo-European/Scythian (or even earlier Botai culture), 1/3 Turkic and 1/3 Mongol and this reflects very well the history of the nomads who lived in the Great Steppe in Kazakhstan for thousands of years. Thus, Kazakhs are entitled to make this movie about their ancestors - as these Sakas were our ancestors, not of modern day Iranians. Moreover, Sakas constantly fought with Persians and looked very different from them. Persians themselves portrayed them as very different from themselves on the relief frescos on the walls of Persepolis. Persians are pictures with curvy hair and beards and narrow faces whereas as Sakas are always pictured with straight/wavy hair, almond-shaped eyes and raised cheek bones. Kazakhs preserved the original way of life and even clothing of the Scythians for hundreds of years. So, the brave nomad queen Tomiris is OUR heroine and not the one for the Persians! She herself would not want to be counted as a Persian for sure...
Persians have been ruled by turks for millennia, that’s why they try to claim turkic historical figures as theirs
@@oroboros4858 Iranic people ruled turks for centuries and turks want to steal iranic history cus they dont have one in bc😂
Stupid scythians are iranic not turkic or hunnic. And they never mixed with one another
Who ever said she was persian? Iranian ≠ persian. The Scythians were ethnically, linguistically, and culturally IRANIC. Moreover, the whole culture of ALL turkic peoples after ruling over persians is primarily and heavily influenced by their culture (which is why they're called a Persianate society).
@@hisholiness4537 The Scythians were ethnically, linguistically, and culturally IRANIC.
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This was never really proven considering that:
1) Scythians did not have their own written literature, let alone Iranic literature.
2) Scythians were a very mixed bunch geographically (western Scythians, eastern Sakas, Tien-Shan Sakas, Pazyryk Sakas, Sarmations etc). We already know from studies on skulls and DNA that the OLDEST Scythians actually lived in the Altay mountains (nomadic lifestyle evolved first in the Eastern part of the Steppe).
3. Scythians have existed for about 500-700 yers and they were changing morphologically all of the time as the Great Steppe was continuously receiving migrants from Siberia, Altay and other eastern territories occupied by the ancestors of the Turkic peoples.
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Therefore, it is naive and wrong to claim that all Scythians were IRANIC. Perhaps some were, but others were likely not, some looked distinctly Asian/Mongoloid from the earliest periods of the Scythian culture - look up reconstructions of the frozen mummies of the Pazyryk and Altay Sakas and the faces of Scythians on their golden jewelry found in Kazakhstan and Central Asia.
Türkçe altyazılı video da gelir umarım. 🇹🇷
KAZAKH KAZAKISTAN
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Hey efandim sikdir
M A R J I N A L where are you from?
M A R J I N A L why are you so rude?
*LONG LIVE THE KAZAKH COUNTRY, LONG LIVE THE KAZAKH LANGUAGE, THE NOMAD DESCENDANTS OF THE GREAT STEPPE* 🇰🇿🇰🇿🇰🇿👏❤️✊
Cyrus the Great is a symbol of freedom and liberty
Atro Patene you’re good even I don’t know which historians told schytians were turks while its proof they were iranian speaking people,in that era turk and mongol were same.massagetas weren’t turks were scythians and schytians were iranic not all of them iranians but all of them iranian speakers and stop bull shet about history when you have no evidence.
@@aradsstates9584 What the Fuck is iranic ?? cos İranic term is not older than 1000 year..and it made by Turkic kaganetes..Cos araps and greeks DELETED PERSİANS..so Turks came and ruled iran 1000 year till 1924 ish..Still half of their population is OGhuz Turks ( Azerbajians) All Scythian dna result..Life style wepons beleieve how they live how they barry deaths % 101 TURKİC...When did you ever lived like Scythians ???Why you claim something JUST with language ? YET ? Half of world atm is French or English ? Cos we all speak English as main ? Why you ignore 100 MORE fact shown they are Turkic ? BUT ONLY language make em iranic???They used persians cos they used proto persians SOGD as PLEB vs China and bussines with rest..totaly same as 2021 world..like how Dollar and English RUle..Turkic heritages always had problem with Chinese they never contact directly..always used some plebs..like Soghds..even they are melt under Turkich kaganetes... and become ( Tajiks - father of all real pers ) SO EVEN the Fucking iranian culture you cannot split away from Turkic effect..SO Persian language choiced as bussines and cos of SOGD effetcs..but as you says..it will not made scythians PERS..cos Sogds and some other proto pers wasnt even % 1-2 as population in stepps...
@@Ouzconqueror You are brainwashed by Erdogan
Tomris, Tomiris or Tamiris is a Turkic female name used in Azerbaijan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Kazakhstan. The name is a modern Turkish derivation of Tomyris an ancient Iranian Massagetae queen from Central Asia.
Iranians are not nomads. Pls check ancient Saka (Massaget)jewelry where depicted faces belong to Turkic characters I.e. small yes and high sculls, not Iranian.
@@user-ze7td5zh6j Lol
@@user-ze7td5zh6j no . they were like Parth and mades .you can check the Shahnameh by Ferdowsi (turan /Afrasiab , / Farangis .persian pahlavi name and ...) and also Igor M. Diakonoff call the that era EASTERN IRAN and Vasily Abaev also believe that according to Avesta they were Iranian but in deferent place and deferent language (like ferdowsi writing language ) :)
You are right before turkic people arrived Scythians were persian speaking nomads.
SHE IS NOT IRANIAN YOU DUMB
We need a proper movie about Cyrus the Great and the persian empire.
Ha-ha-ha! Would love to see that! Alternative history rules!
I am a Hazara from Afghanistan, I would like to unite with Turkish brothers, I am sad that I am far from her
Grettings my Hazara sibling from 🇹🇷
We love all Turk brothers and sisters
wow, must see!! Debby Australia
Actually, Tomaris belongs to Uzbeks. Because, she and her nations lived among Amudarya and Syrdarya. So, the main connection the history with Uzbeks 🇺🇿🇺🇿🇺🇿.
You are not a nomadic nation, only the Kazakhs were a nomadic nation, you cultivated crops.
Back then there was no difference between Kazakh or Uzbek. Both are coming from the same Turkic ancestry.
Yes you're right. Tomaris is our historical ancestor and heroin. Maybe they just did it as a representative of brotherhood and collaboration 😊.
Oo welcome to Kazakh stan👍👍👍 good job, i.m Kazakh ! ✊✊✊✊ Ata baba, kushti tusirgen , aibindi, sattilik ,alga!
*Hello to all my Kazakh & other Turkic brother & sisters, wondering if anyone knows where I can watch this movie?!*
Bro this movie has nothing to do with Turks or Mongols . It’s embarrassing to see this culture stealing .
@@Spitamenes007 she was the queen of Sakhs, people who lived in Central Asia long way before. Still direct ancestors though :)
@@yeta6364 direct ancestors of Tajiks yes
U may watch it in telegram channels. I've watched it there
@@Spitamenes007 sakha is turkic they are all turkic tribes tajik speak Persian but there race is close to sakha turk too not iran
Türkçe altyazı ekleyin lütfen. Karındaşlar. 😊🇹🇷
🇹🇷🇹🇲🇰🇿🇰🇬🇦🇿🇺🇿
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Kardes bu film turkce degil kazakcasi bile yok !!!!!!
@@mrkunaman neyce?
@@KeriN0s Sak dilindedir, kimse bilmez yagni dogru mu ya yanlis mi konusuyorlar ama kazaklar yapmis onun icin biraz sorunlar neye kazakca yok diye insanlar kiziyorlar
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A movie on a Scythian peoples, ooooo. I must admit, I am excited to see it, and the other comments here seem favorable and, bonus points for me, compliment historical accuracy. Costumes to my knowledge look very good, and I dont get to see many shows on the time period and place. Legendary campaign of Cyrus from the other perspective. Perhaps will be another Barbarians (just first season.), Well known story told as a Scythian triumph instead of a Persian disaster. I like it
Perfect trailer 🇰🇿❤🇹🇷
OLD TURKIC LANGUAGE
scythian have noting to do whit turks they was iranic
Brittanica
Scythian, also called Scyth, Saka, and Sacae, member of a nomadic people, originally of Iranian stock, known from as early as the 9th century BCE who migrated westward from Central Asia to southern Russia and Ukraine in the 8th and 7th centuries BCE. The Scythians founded a rich, powerful empire centred on what is now Crimea. The empire survived for several centuries before succumbing to the Sarmatians during the period from the 4th century BCE to the 2nd century CE.
Only the Kazakhs led a nomadic lifestyle, not the Persians, the Persians only wrote books
Коне турки тилин тусину киын екен)
Аудармашы жалдайық па? Қуанбайсың ба осындай Ханшайым болғанына! Сөздер күнде өзгеріп жатыр, кеше телеаизор бүгін теледидар. Ертең басқа халықтар айтады, біздікі ғой, ана сөз бурят тілінде деп уже қуып жатыр.
Неге қазақша сөйлемеген,
WOOW, that was a great movie. A strong warrior woman with justice in hear heart.
Massa-Getae was relatives to Tisa-Getae tribes located within Carpathian mountains. Getae was relatives to Thracian and Dacian people. It is not about current division of worships or cultures. In that time there were diferrent dieties and customs than today and also different than what we understand today that the ancient Massagetae and Persians should be. TOMIRIS come from root "MIR" which means "WORLD" or "EARTH AND HEAVEN" +suffix "-is" with meaning "child or succesor of" or "coming from". Tomiris defeated the King of Kings and of World and of all 4 Corners of World, the Kyros (Cyrus) the Great. Finally after the famous battle, when Kyros was killed, Tomiris immersed Kyroses' head into a bag full of blood and said her famous speach: "Let allow him to satisfy his neverending thirsty for blood." So Tomiris had to understood very well the toxic Kyroses' character and ill ideology of Kyroses' empire machinery. Mather Earth represented by women power came to get lessons to harmfull goals of an early imperial machinery.
Ohhh wow I love it
ill ideology in fact came from peoples like you Jan Mihalus , who cant understand what made Cyrus Great who today receiving all nations respect and Trump cant believed one day at the coin stand beside Him,
Cyrus was the King of the world, the King of Kings since there were no more kings in the realm (Brown, 1995;Olmstead, 1948; Herodotus, 1984). He was a genius military general and a brilliant political leader with grand ambitions, with a macro managerial approach, and a globlal desig His vision was to form a synthesis or universal civilization on cooperative and integrative bases incorporating with respect through inter-learning processes all cultures and civilizations of the time. He was also a man of great energy and talents but a man of wisdom and tolerance. His charismatic leadership transcended all boundaries of races, colors, religions, and nationalities. He was highly regarded by Persians and many non-Persians in all corners of the extended Empire. Persians called him the "Father,"
Greeks and Babylonians called him the "Law-Giver," and Jews called him the Savor and Deliverer (Cook, 1983;Herodotus, 1984; Olmstead, 1948)
@@khosrowanoshiravan2979 and? He could be great and Tomiris could be great too
Prin acest film kazahii ne fură istoria
Dar se mai confirmă că mesageții fiind rude peregrine ale dacilor (În film express se vorbește despre daci, Argun fiind fiul unui rege dac), dominau și stepele dincolo de răul Nipru
Tiras tot e un nume de origine dacă !!!
@@VCH-RO
Cred ca pe Daniel Roxin am auzit ca Sarmisegetuza este defapt combinarea cuvintelor: Sarmatii ( Sarmi ) si (se) Getii ( get) impreuna (uza) ...
edit: Sarmatii fiind Sciti/masogeti
Tomiris ana ! Respect from Azerbaijan !
Даже сайлаубек ахуел от языка когда говорили маннапасама кенатама
🤗✌🤩 Точно, МС Сайлаубек оттуда на машине времени прилетел
😂😂😂👍👍👍
🤣🤣🤣
Жардын бауырым!!!)))))))
Мана тахмырыс, патша Куруш кан санюх
Just wow, they are speaking old turkic language!
@Hassan Abdulsalam Turks did not exist at that time
Central Asia has always been a motherland of ancient Turkic tribes. Iran is the name of the geographic area South of Caspian sea. There is no such thing as an Iranian people, there are Persians who try to absorb everything that even remotely connected to the geography of that area.
@@karmoddisticaret9826 no it's a scientific fact that Scythians were an Iranic people and not Turkic. But you have to understand that Iranic does not mean Iranian.
Horfinn Durron scientific fact ? Check Automasal Dna of Hunnic Scythian sarmatian burials. In various genealogy sites foruns. Altaiyans are genetically the most closest to ancients central Asian Peoples.
@@heart_psychosoma they are existed but before gokturks they were called with other names
That's amazing ❤
My question to the Turks is why do you think this film is relevant to you? Two Iranian peoples fighting each other., Persians and Massagetae (were an ancient Eastern Iranian nomadic tribal confederation, who inhabited the steppes of Central Asia)
You dumb shit, show at least one example of Scythian written sources to prove their language was Iranian? If not, you're just silly lying bitch.
Don't you know? Cyrus was turkish, just like how ahura mazda was kurdish
@@karachaybalkar We literally have proof in the form of Ossetian, Pashto, Pamiri and Yaghnobi languages. All these Eastern Iranian languages have been proven by linguistics to be the descendants of the Scythian/Saka languages. Scythians are Iranian stop coping
Massagets, Bactrians, Khrazemians were indeed ancestors of uzbeks 😏
*KAZAKHS ARE NOMAD DESCENDANTS OF THE GREAT STEPPE* 🇰🇿🇰🇿🇰🇿🇰🇿👏
Cyrus was the King of the world, the King of Kings since there were no more kings in the realm (Brown, 1995;Olmstead, 1948; Herodotus, 1984). He was a genius military general and a brilliant political leader with grand ambitions, with a macro managerial approach, and a globlal desig His vision was to form a synthesis or universal civilization on cooperative and integrative bases incorporating with respect through inter-learning processes all cultures and civilizations of the time. He was also a man of great energy and talents but a man of wisdom and tolerance. His charismatic leadership transcended all boundaries of races, colors, religions, and nationalities. He was highly regarded by Persians and many non-Persians in all corners of the extended Empire. Persians called him the "Father,"
Greeks and Babylonians called him the "Law-Giver," and Jews called him the Savor and Deliverer (Cook, 1983;Herodotus, 1984; Olmstead, 1948)
Queen Tomiris got support with heavy cavalry from Lechistan (Poland) in final battle against Cyrus the Great. That's why she won. That's real history, we all know Tomiris story in Lechistan. Greeting for Masagots ( East Steppe Gots).
if they teach real history their imperial made future will crack ^^ Poland and most of North places already Kypcaks lands with some other nomads..even in 2021 many Kypcak Dna alive in poland
@@Ouzconqueror true
TOMIRIS - Absolutely Turkic. Here are 2 absolute proofs and facts.
1) Ethimologically: Tomyris meaning iron in english comes from Tomris, an ancient Turkish word which is “demir” in current Turkish. And it is always similar word in any kind of Turkish languages. There are many examples in history. Just like Timur Han. His name was also same. The reasons will come in 2nd proof. Actaully Greek recorders recorded her names as tomir+is, tomyr+is or demir+ys or something like that. Just how could say her name.
2) Culturally: In Turks, the naming was not given, it was something to be earned. Since “demir” was the strongest material known in the past to become the topic of an “age”, it was given to strong people such as rulers. Tomris and timur were just like that.
3) Researches. Many countries such as russians, other Turkish countries and the rest scientifically researched central asia and southern russian, in short possible sychtians or saka zone to conclude for she and also scythians were Turkic. Why? Because culturally they were totally Turkish, buildings, beliefs or living styles. Every excavation pointed into that. For example many scythian kurgans were found, a classic Turkish structure type. Even its name shows how Turkish was it, given to its aggluginative language structure: kur+gan means (the thing) built. The words and suffixes are still being used so widely.
Plus, Turks were the first craftsman who were able to craft things out of iron, according to chinese scripts. They were so famed that, these people were named after iron in their language. yeah Turk mean iron and also its kanji was shaped as a helmet, just like the shape of their known origins by them, altay mountains.
4) Literature: There are many legends written by them in Turkish still exist. Well this may not be proof for her, but the people she ruled and her origins.
and persians? come on, they were only kids playing in kindergarten compared to dates she lived. and with no power at that. and i dont believe so they have this “demir” word in their langauge.
Tomiris is Iranic
Only the Kazakhs led a nomadic lifestyle, not the Persians, the Persians only wrote books
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bizim filmleri de Kazak yönetmen çeksin bizimkiler kötü. Kazaklar çok iyi çekiyor efsane 🎖️ hatta Diriliş Ertuğrul un dövüş sahneleri için Kazaklar la çalışıldığını biliyorum. Adamlar çok iyi
Selvi boylum al yazmalım da onların gibi aklımda kalmış. Yanlis hatirlamiyorsam
@@duyksl1667 yazarı Cengiz Aytmatov Kırgız yazar
Гондон орта Азия ні билмесен сикпе Турция деген кейін пайда болған халық котак
Massagatae people on the west side of Indus were known as Mahajatt ( sanskirt translation of Massagatae ) .
And present day Jats are decendents of Mahajatt.
The big problem with claiming Tomiris by modern Iranians is that those Scythians were actually the enemies of the Persians and this was not just a single battle. Their nomadic lifestyle and culture were very completely different from those of the settled Persians. These nomads called their land Turan. Turan was the enemy of Iran. The Turanians of the Great Steppe absorbed a lot of later migrants from the East including the Huns, Avars and Turkic peoples. They gradually became Turcified but this happened over hundreds of years. You can see that in the features of the skulls of the Scythians from the burial mounds as they show a gradual transition from Indo-European to more Asian shapes. The genetics of modern Turkic peoples, especially the Kazakhs shows great genetic diversity revealing this multilayered history. For example, my own tribe the Argyn, all males carry the G1 Y chromosome haplotype, which came originally from West Persia. Also, culturally and spiritually Kazakhs are much more similar to those ancient Turanians, while Uzbeks are more similar to Persians. So, yes, Tomiris is very much relevant to modern Kazakhs as the Scythians were among our ancestors and their nomadic culture lived on through the ages and became the Kazakh culture. Just like the Scythian women, Kazakh women were brave warriors who often fought alongside their men and they were not slaves to their men wrapped in cloth as in Persia.
Jat from india
You are from which country?
@@sunilnain1878 India
@@sunilnain1878 yes
you're stealing iran's history , scythian were also a iranian people , they were not turk . even the name tomiris came from the persian toham ris . STOP STEALING OTHER NATIONS HISTORY
No you stealing all Turkish history ..! 40% of to day"iran" is Turkish Azerbajani land Skhytes was ancestors of Kazaks Kirgizs Oguzs(Seljuks) Turkmens Tatars ..many Persian kings was with Turkish origin even some persian dynasty history with roots from Altay mountains ..take care with your arab cousins bicouse you have same dna
@@hektor74 first thing first , im not persian . And this is a big lie . Azerbaijanis are not 40 % and then again Azerbaijanis are genetically Iranians . They have all Iranian dna . And Their language changed in 100 years ago so technically they're not Turkish . tomiris and Scythians are 100% Iranian . The names are Iranian . The Scythian culture is Iranian . Even now ossetians (what is left of Scythians) call their language iran . Turkish propoganda is all lies . Lies lies lies and lies . Shame on you and your whole nation . Shame
@@hektor74 you have been brainwashed by the turkish propoganda . Don't believe lies and stop stealing history
@@smerdis8305 Changed? Arminians was 1000 years under Turkish rule WHY never accept turkish language?i know your answer..bicouse they was heroes and stupid....
@@smerdis8305 Stop to use "persian" propaganda..bicouse persians die bifore 2000 years ago
Sychthians were Iranian people not Mongolian Turks
Eastern and Siberian Scythians mixed with Turks, Western Scythians also mixed with europeans
@@Flammenhagel
Scythians are Iranic poeple and their ancient Turkish enemies will remain foe till eternity.
Turko-mongolians making movies about Scythians is like Hitler claiming Jewish culture in a movie! Ridiculous...
Ahahhaha you wish, stop claiming Turkic history, Sychtians are from altai area, altai region has nothing to do with hindu/persian
Po slovam rezhissera eto byl iskusstvenno pridumannyi yazyk dlya fil'ma, smes' farsi I drevnetyurkskogo yazyka. Tak kak po slovam uchenyh skify I saki govorili na odnom iz indoiranskih yazykov (pravda dostovernyh pis'menmyh artefaktov na etom yazyke ne sohranilos' ), a deistviya fil'ma proiskhodyat primerno v 5 veke do nashei ery vo vremya pravleniya Kira Velikogo, a epoha tyurkov nastala v 5om veke nashei ery, eti 1000 let raznitsy prishlis' na epohu gunnov, kotorye skoree vsego govorili na proto-tyurkskom, na etom yazyke takje ne sokhranilis' i ne bylo kakih-libo pis'mennyh artefaktov, to, rezhissery vsego lish' sdelali svoyu versiyu. A dostovernye artefakty na drevnetyurkskom yazyke datiruyutsya vsego lish' 5-6m vekami nashei ery Orhono-Eniseiskimi runicheskimi stellami. To byl, yazyk goktyurkov (koktyurkov).
Voobshe-to6 po issledovaniyam genetika Klesova, prototurki uzhe byli 5 000 let nazat do nashey ery ! Poslushayte Klesova6 kotoryi oprovergaet nadumannuyu teoriyu akademicheskoy nauki
@@user-ge4co9dp2p Kakoi klesov. Geny u vseh lyudei byli I budut, yesche do togo kak lyudi stali delit'sya na natsii. Eti geny govoryat lish' o migratsii tselyh grupp lyudei po zemnomu sharu. No nichego bolee.
Arkadaslar turkce altyazi talep edip durmayin, film zaten turkce, tarihi eski turkcede, kokumuze donme zamani geldi, en onemli cumle sonunda, Tomris:" Hey, ozguryurek, turan erleri, Tek Tek (bolunmus halde) bizlerin yuzerine dusman galip gelir, birlesirsek dusmani kana bogariz. Hep beraber dusmana nasil savasilmasi gerektigini gosterelim"
Adam Ata
Scythians were eastern iranic nomads.
And this story is a fake one of herodotus.
whoah this Hollywood class film
Fantastic super film !!!
Türkiyede de vizyona girer umarım.
A strong independent woman who killed the greatest ruler at the time and saved her people from becoming another footnote in the conquests of Persia
Cyrus the great is the greatest monarch in human history he himself literally created human rights in this world this movie is nothing but a shitty propaganda
@@shadowborn1456 sounds like something a Persian propagandist would say
Footnote? Most of the peoples that lived under Achaemenid rule survive to this day.
Amazing! Now, where can I watch this...
*JASASIN QAZAQ ELI* 🇰🇿🇰🇿🇰🇿🇰🇿👏
Türkiye'den selamlar bütün Türk Turan yurtlarına. Yiğit Tomris Hatun soyuna kut olsun. TR KZ
Hi from Turkey to all Turk world. Hero Tomris is proud of Turkish History to show to wolrd Turkish woman power. See you in TURAN inşallah. TR KZ
We never don't take our heroes to Persian racism or europan lies.
How can she be Turkic when Turks weren't event present in Central Asia at that time?
Ali Veli
Turan and turanians were ancient aryans people stupid ass.
Turks didn't exist in that times.
Turan and iran were blood brothers.
Assalamaleikum Turkey brother
Historic movie+Central Asia? Must watch
Renáta Béres
More like pan-turkic lies
Turanian Turk
Turan and iran are aryan nations and not relating to turks.
@@shapurthegreat8314 No. They had R1a-Z93 what is Turkic haplogroup.
Turanism is Ural-Altaic, not Indo-Persian
Renáta Béres
Iran and turan were like spartans and Athenians.
Their names ,beliefs , behaves and we have that in national persian book Shah-nameh all places and names are completely indo-european names near to avesten and sanskrit.
They were iranian. The words remain also near to persian. Scythians and sarmatians were iranic tribes and ossetians of georgia are descendants of them.
We don't have ural-altaic. It was abolished.
Central asia had iranic before.
Kharazm , Soghd (uzbekistan) , Tokharians , bukhara , Marv , Gotganj and all were persian citiea that their inhabitants assimilated oe killed because of turko mongols expansion.
R1a is for slavic , North indians , tajiks , iran and afghans who are aryans
And in the end story is a lie because other historians said otherwise about death of cyrus.
she united tribes from Armenia, Turkey, Georgia, Russia, Azerbaijan, and East Europe.The massagetae were a branch from the great thracian tribes such as dacians, getians, etc.At the shores of modern Romania we have a ancient city called Tomis, firt believed to be of greek settlers but most likely constructed for her.Massagetae were indo-europeans that used to live in the valley that is now the Black sea, after the Great flood the tribes divided and reached all the shores of the flooded valley that became the Black Sea in order to survive.In the northern part of the sea the massagetae were expanding from east Romania to the Ural Mountains.In the south, parts of Turkey and Asia.She is a part of the legends of every nation living around the Black Sea.Indo-europeans were a mix of asian and europeeans, some of the first people that spreaded in Asia and Europe.All after the flood, they survived mostly due to the combined asian and european fighting and riding skills.legend sais they invented the horse sattle and the sattle ladders, making them more stable when riding and using their bow simoultaneously.Even better than mongols, but we talking thousands of years apart.
Exactly- Masagetai (Latin- masagetae) were one of many tribes of Guds (Goths in English, Geths in Latin, Los Godos- in Spanish). In Romania, Bulgaria territory lived Thracs, the Southern Guds. Dacia- later Kingdom of them. Only 2 languages left now- Lithuanian and Latvian, with some words in Romanian language. Goths WERE NOT Germans. Trakai- the town in Lithuania. Jurate Statkute de Rosales the researcher
What the hell are you talking about? The were Scythians living all across Central Asia - all the way to the Altai mountains. Their heartland was actually in Central Asia and not Europe. There is a valley where the largest of the kurgans are located where Scythian kings and queens were buried - and it is near the Almaty, Kazakhstan.
Stop fucking lying! Okay, Tomoris massagets, Scythians are turkic
The Scythians are truly impressive people. I would love to know whether they could understand the Persians as they were Iranian as well speaking an Iranian language. What I don't understand is why do the actors look so Asian/Mongolian in that movie? Was that movie funded by a pro-turkic government to promote the falsification of history? Scythians were light-skinned, blonde Iranians.
Ancient DNA studies from the kurgans and comparative genomics clearly shows that Sakas (Eastern Scythians) were among the ancestors of modern Kazakhs. Kazakh genomes are about 1/3 European/Scythian, about 1/3 Turkic and about 1/3 Mongol on average. The Scythian genome was the foundation for evolution of the Kazakh genetics as these Iranic ancestors absorbed later invasions of Huns, Turkic peoples and Mongols. Anthropological studies on skulls from ancient kurgans show a gradual shift from European to mixed to Asian features in the apearance of the nomads who lived in Kazakhstan between 1000 BC to 500 AD. This is to say that modern Kazakhs are very much entitled to claim Tomiris and other Sakas among their ancestors.
@@aabzhano scythian have noting to do whit turks they was iranic
Brittanica
Scythian, also called Scyth, Saka, and Sacae, member of a nomadic people, originally of Iranian stock, known from as early as the 9th century BCE who migrated westward from Central Asia to southern Russia and Ukraine in the 8th and 7th centuries BCE. The Scythians founded a rich, powerful empire centred on what is now Crimea. The empire survived for several centuries before succumbing to the Sarmatians during the period from the 4th century BCE to the 2nd century CE.
@@brightburnedits4278 Except you forget that Scythians were the ancestors of many Turkic peoples and paleogenetic studies on Scythian DNA from kurgans show that they Eastern Scythians (Sakas and Altay Scythians) are closely genetically related to Kazakhs and Kyrgyz. First, R1a_z93 haplogroup which was common in Scythians an Iranic haplogroup. This haplogroup is very broadly distributed among the peoples of Central Asia, South Asia and various Turkic peoples. This haplogroup is most common (>30%) in the South Siberian Altai region of Russia among the local Turkic peoples, it is actually very rare among the Iranians. Second, Scythians did not comprise a single group culturally or genetically. The Western Scythians were very different from the Sakas (Eastern Scythians), who had a very large Altaic (East-Eyrasian) genetic component from the beginning of their origin. R1a was dominant in the Western Scythians but the Sakas were much more diverse, we know from genetic studies that they had R1a, R1b, G1, G1, I2a2, N1, R1b1b1, R1b1b2, G2a and J2. mtDNA and autusomal genetic comparisons show that among the modern peoples the closest to West-most Sakas are Tatars, Bashkirs and the closest to East-most Sakas, such as Pazyryk Sakas are modern Khakas and Kazakh peoples. Far from all Kazakhs have C haplogroup, large Kazakh tribes such as Argyn (G1 + J1) and Kypchak (R1b + J2) have no C haplogroup present and these tribes certainly represent products of Scythian and/or Iranic assimilation by the Turkic peoples in what is now Kazakhstan.
@@aabzhano You are just another turkic history stealer SCYTIANS WERE IRANIC IT HAS NOTING TO DO WHIT THE TURKS LOL
[12]Ivantchik 2018: "Scythians, a nomadic people of Iranian origin [...]"Harmatta 1996, p. 181: "[B]oth Cimmerians and Scythians were Iranian peoples."Sulimirski 1985, pp. 149-153: "During the first half of the first millennium B.C., c. 3,000 to 2,500 years ago, the southern part of Eastern Europe was occupied mainly by peoples of Iranian stock [...] [T]he population of ancient Scythia was far from being homogeneous, nor were the Scyths themselves a homogeneous people. The country called after them was ruled by their principal tribe, the "Royal Scyths" (Her. iv. 20), who were of Iranian stock and called themselves "Skolotoi" [...]"West 2002, pp. 437-440: "[T]rue Scyths seems to be those whom [Herodotus] calls Royal Scyths, that is, the group who claimed hegemony [...] apparently warrior-pastoralists. It is generally agreed, from what we know of their names, that these were people of Iranian stock [...]"Rolle 1989, p. 56: "The physical characteristics of the Scythians correspond to their cultural affiliation: their origins place them within the group of Iranian peoples."Rostovtzeff 1922, p. 13: "The Scythian kingdom [...] was succeeded in the Russian steppes by an ascendancy of various Sarmatian tribes - Iranians, like the Scythians themselves."
@@aabzhano also Göktürk Was Iranic origin Ashina tribe have
r1a- Z93 Y dna that Iranic not Turkic
What a fake movie just like the entire turkic history. Tomyris was an iranic woman, she was a scythian. And cyrus having a war against her isnt accurate but one of the theories.
Yes and she is an exaggeration.
The big problem with claiming Tomiris by modern Iranians is that those Scythians were actually the enemies of the Persians and this was not just a single battle. Their nomadic lifestyle and culture were very completely different from those of the settled Persians. These nomads called their land Turan. Turan was the enemy of Iran. The Turanians of the Great Steppe absorbed a lot of later migrants from the East including the Huns, Avars and Turkic peoples. They gradually became Turcified but this happened over hundreds of years. You can see that in the features of the skulls of the Scythians from the burial mounds as they show a gradual transition from Indo-European to more Asian shapes. The genetics of modern Turkic peoples, especially the Kazakhs shows great genetic diversity revealing this multilayered history. For example, my own tribe the Argyn, all males carry the G1 Y chromosome haplotype, which came originally from West Persia. Also, culturally and spiritually Kazakhs are much more similar to those ancient Turanians, while Uzbeks are more similar to Persians. So, yes, Tomiris is very much relevant to modern Kazakhs as the Scythians were among our ancestors and their nomadic culture lived on through the ages and became the Kazakh culture. Just like the Scythian women, Kazakh women were brave warriors who often fought alongside their men and they were not slaves to their men wrapped in cloth as in Persia.
@@aabzhano
Not gonna read through your sad panturk comment, tomyris is an eastern iranic woman that even spoke a similar language to other iranic languages such as farsi, kurdish, pashto and others.
The sad part over here is turks claiming she is turkic and lived her life giving herself title as khatun, now isnt that redicoulous? Get a life. The world doesnt revolve around your ethnicity that wasnt relevant perhaps until 20th century under ataturk 👍
@@Rumeli-j8b If you did not read my comment then stop writing your stupid answer.
@@Rumeli-j8b stop crying, no one is interested in your Persian tears.
According to Dandamayev, the stories told by Greek historians have more of the color and smell of a novel than the description of a real event. Although we do not know the exact truth of Cyrus' death, it is clear that he was buried in Pasargadae.
What makes you think that these stories ar etolk by Greek historians? Worth mentioning Scythians weren't Greek, but rather their enemies.
@@imanengineer2881 Sythians weren't Turks
@@ShahanshahShahin they surely were
Beautiful she like the warrior goddess Durga 😍 I want this on Netflix 😭
Muhteşem böylesi bir destanı film yaptığınız için teşekkürler kandaşlarım. Yapımcılar inşallah OĞUZ KAAN DESTANI NIN DA filmini yaparlar. Arkadaşlar beğeninde yukarıya çıksın yorum. Kazakça vs dilleri bilen kandaşlarım da destek versinler BÜYÜK TÜRK Oğuz kaan filmi gelsin.
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Anyone claiming Schytians expect those whose ancestors were nomadic is bull-shitting. Kökturk's were nomadic.
Scythians were definitely a nomadic culture (no other culture would survive in the steppes of Central Asia) and they contributed culturally and genetically to all later nomads in the area.
Türkiye'de vizyona girmesi dileğiyle...🙏🐺
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Oo mal ,kury
Акжан Бекжанов тусинбедим
Акжан Бекжанов кімді мал деп тұрсың, есуас?!
Aftor KAZAKHSTAN.respekt
butun turki xalqlarin anasi Tomris ana
Teşekkür ederim kazakistan ❤️🇹🇷
eski turkçe kullanılıyor filmde orhunyazıtlarındaki kullanılan. ne Türkiye, ne Kazakistan ne de başka türk ülkesi artık kullanmıyor eski türkçeyi
Tengri biz menen.