Time Team S04-E04 Govan,.Glasgow
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- Tony Robinson and the Time Team face a fascinating conundrum that sends them spinning back into the dark ages of Scottish history. Their location is Govan, on the banks of the River Clyde, where several intriguing stone sculptures have been discovered in the graveyard of the parish church.
The 19th century minister unearthed no less than 30 of these large, intricately carved gravestones in two distinct styles, and the present incumbent, Rev Tom Davidson Kelly, has set the Team a challenge, to find out who was buried here, by whom, and why.
Mature as this audience generally is, I knew there was no way that Phil's short shorts would be ignored!
stone the crows!
lol yep
In the states, they use to be called Daisy Dukes, due to a TV show whose female lead wore them even shorter. ( Dukes of Hazzard...correct sp.)
I know you shared this series years ago, I just want you to know I really appreciate you sharing this with us. I extremely enjoy this wonderful series.
2 yrs later after your comment I also appreciate these videos still! They are such a comfort to me.
@@sammom8599 2 years after your comment, I too have this playlist bookmarked and regularly fall asleep at night watching.
I love how Tony runs like a 12 yr old girl running in a field chasing butterflies lol. Such a great show. I wonder how many kids grew up and got into archaeology from having watched this program. My guess is more than a few.
Go Stewart! ... and how many times were yet ti come, when "the Team" would have faired well to Listen to you, Stewart,. But they seemed to have always tried to go off in another direction.
Love Stewart and Helen, their personalities and Intelligence just really appealed to me
I find it amazing that Phil was wearing the shortest shorts ever, in this episode. Glad he didn't keep wearing those..I am proud to be a small supporting member of the NEW Time Team 2.0, but I also so enjoy going back to when Mic and Robin and Victor were all still with us as well..
There is nothing wrong with Phil's shorts. He works hard in those trenches and deserves to wear whatever makes him comfortable. Also, he has great legs.
When i see phil rockin those shorts, I can't help but think he looks so METAL, like he belongs in a band or just got done at a show last night, and is now here diggin' up some archaeology.
Stewart is so patiently persistent and thorough in always challenging conventional ideas, and rarely wrong
If Stewart is right about everyone having misinterpreted the site than they have made a very important contribution to the archaeology of the area.
It's nice to see the few days of sunshine in Glasgow each year were caught on film 😂
Victor is such a brilliant artist!
....A wonderful Human Being. May he Rest In Peace.
This was the first TT episode I ever watched and I've been hooked ever since. Thank you Reijer Zaaijer.
Original airdate for this episode was 26 January 1997. I am watching all seasons and episodes (by various posters, thanks to all of you) in order, with the location in Google Maps open in another window. Very interesting to see it from a recent satelite and streetlevel view, and to scan the wider environment.
I really enjoy all of the fascinating characters in Time Team. I cannot imagine a broader kaleidoscope of personalities and physiques. [Aussie in BC]
2:14 Sorry... I couldn't help but laugh about Mick breaking his leg once "looking for a holy well" had reverberated in my head a couple of times.
15:30 what a glorious piece of presenting! Tony jumps out of a helicopter which just landed, runs towards the camera and then proceeds to give a 35second long gripping story about the castle in the background 🥹
I agree with Robin there, the preacher was special pleading very hard to try to turn a secular item into a Christian one.
He"s petty pompous .
he just didn't want to admit he was wrong for putting what he thought was a grave marker of a saint inside his church
This was a very enlightening episode. I believe that the the Horseman with the lance was not a Pict warrior or King Constantine II, but instead a Lazyges Knight. It was a great piece to the puzzle.
Phil looks like he could have been in Hawkwind back in the day.
And those shorts! 🙂
Rule 1 of Time Team: Always, ALWAYS, listen to Stewart.
and Carenza
Why do so many people have a problem with Carenza? She's a leading expert in her field, eminently more qualified than anyone commenting on this site and gets involved in the digging too ! She's off the scale intelligent and has had an amazing career in archeology. If she were a man I'm sure she wouldn't be getting flak for expressing her well informed opinion.
More importantly, what is up with Phil's nails??
One sometimes wonders just how much of the "dynamics" are actually choreographed in this series. Carenza was usually doing her job, not being a cute bit of "eye-candy" or fluff but simply displaying the fact that she was confident in her knowledge and ability to do her job. Was she assertive? Yes, but this was done civilly and with respect, not scornfully or in a demeaning manner yet in one particular episode she was, uncharacteristically, a real pain in the a**! It was like a Jekyll and Hyde transformation. Was it "theatrics" to liven up what the producers thought was a stagnating format ? I can fully appreciate Mick Aston's reasons for leaving the series (although, granted ,he was having serious health issues at that point).
@JaseCJay, Phil plays guitar in a band. The nails on his right hand are longer so he can 'pick' the strings. Very common for guitar players.
Carenza is intelligent and knows her stuff, BUT she's a big pain in the bxtt because she ALWAYS tries to impress everyone with what she knows by constantly interrupting everyone. She never listens to anyone else's ideas or thoughts. If one will notice, as the series continues through the years, she is moved into the background doing historical research (originally done by Robin Bush). She is, gradually, removed from the opening group discussions when the team huddles around the Range Rover hood to decide the 'plan of attack'. She, finally, leaves after season 11 and is replaced with Dr. Helen Geake (who, IMHO, is a BIG improvement). P.S. Carenza is, especially, overbearing in this episode.
B4iJump I have in a different setting. I was the only female line cook at a large restaurant (in the late 80’s) and the men were so sexist ...condescending. They would talk down to me ...act like I didn’t know what to do. Finally one day after the most horrible of the group made a very sexist statement ...I blew up in the middle of the kitchen ....everyone in the restaurant heard me (thank goodness it was at the slow time) and I nearly decapitated him when I threw my spatula at him. I went into the managers office and told him what happened (the offender followed me in) and told him it was me or him. The manager looked at us both and chose me ....saying I was a better worker (I didn’t come to work stoned or hungover ) and if the offender didn’t like it he could leave. The boss calmed me down ...said he’d fire the offender if I wanted but we were already short handed and the offender was a good worker most of the time ...so I said I would do my best to work with him if he changed his way. When the offender came out of the office ..he apologized to me ...said he took it too far and he would treat me like he did the guys. And he did! All of them did. I worked my ass off. I loved the job. In fact I was 2nd in charge of the kitchen after that and they had to answer to me lol!
Love this show. only discovered it a year or two ago. never saw it in its 90s era or 00s. RIP to those who have been lost since the show was on.
If you want to see a Hogback tombstone and can't make it to Scotland, there is one in Bosham, Holy Trinity Church. (Chichester).
It marks the grave of Canute's little daughter.
Canute was, of course, Danish (with a Polish mum), thus the cultural link with Govan
Dumbarton Rock looks like a really cool place to visit
Phil has for real given me the confidence as a man to rock short shorts. THANKS PHIL!
Thank you for posting Time Team
Thanks so much for posting/
To John Mard (thanks to RUclips shenanigans, I cannot answer you directly ...) About the eight-legged horse: most horses portrayed as being on the move were depicted having eight legs. I've noticed it many times. It could well be that the ancient Celts were trying to show movement but were a little short on animation software :)
It could also imply a "team" of horses.
Odin´s horse Sleipnir was a horse with eight feet. And if Vikings are involved in it, it could be Sleipnir.
The horse clearly has four legs. You can also see one leg of the rider and the horse's tail. It's very obvious if you pause the video.
They are all so young! What a treat
Phil is obviously depending on professional courtesy to get away with wearing those shorts. If I was in the trench I would definitely avert my eyes but the jokes would come hard and fast. Simply hilarious what a character...good show. Thanks for posting!
lol ya gotta love phil he added tons of character to the show.
Those shorts are part of Phil's character. It is not the first time he has worn them. When he does, it is warm outside.
As hard as Phil worked in those trenches, he had every right to wear whatever made him comfortable. Shut up and leave the man alone.
Professional courtesy my eye. If the producers took issue with anyone’s working attire, we wouldn’t see it, end of. Get your mind out of the gutter 😉✌🏼
@@sgrannie9938 Thank you!
I did wonder how Mick had broken his leg. I thought he might have done it falling into one of Phil's humungous trenches. lol
That was my thought too!
Mr Aston, God rest his soul!
As always, Stewart was right. I do think his idea of the motte and bailey castle ties in well with Robin's feeling of the stones being markers of the tombs/graves of aristocracy. Normans would've been quick to grab a politically significant site and put their own mark on it.
Haha Phil in short shorts. Yikes. The guy is quite a character!
These are actually some of the shortest I have ever seen! Show would not be as fun without him.
@@royer_redos I was just going to comment on Phil's shorts, but see that you beat me by 4 years!
@@royer_redosClearly you have never seen Phil in swim trunks.
Teatime 2, Radio Phil Harding. Catching up with Phil. There is a group photo of Carenza, Mick, Tony and Phil. Phil is wearing a pair of swim trunks. The 5 inch stripe of very white thigh on display says those shorts were covering a lot more Phil than y'all think they did.
As legend (and one chronicaler) has it, Saint Constantine was the son of King Riderch Hael, one of the most famous kings of Strathclyde. He succeeded his father as king. But later abdicated to become a monk, then a priest and in due course gained the status of a saint. It should not be surprising that his tomb would be royal. As someone suggested maybe the missing lid provided the religious dimension.
Carenza and Phil have one helluva work ethic
I spent 30 years preserving the Ship Balclutha or Rock on the Clyde. In 1886 she was named in honor of your big rock!
Much ado about Phil's shorts. I suppose at the end if the day its always 'bout them stones, innitt?.....
I think his "Daisy Dukes" are cool.
Read this in Phil's voice
Aye!!! I’d be agree’n wi’ye!!!😉💕
Govan Old Parish Church is here on Google Earth:
N 55° 51' 52.222'' W 4° 18' 46.778''
(55.864506, -4.312994)
Thank you!
Great Work!
You're welcome. Now I'm converting them from digital GPS to standard Long/Lat.
To me, it looked like the horse on one of those big, caeved stones, had 8 legs. If so, that's Odins horse Sleipner! And didn't the rider have a spear in his hand? Well, that could be Odins spear Gungner. Interesting indeed!
The Celts didn't worship Odin.
@@scarletfluerr
Didn't mean that the Danish among them totally threw out their earlier beliefs....the early churches had a habit of incorporating local beliefs to suit the locals
The horse clearly has four legs. You can also see one leg of the rider and the horse's tail. It's very obvious if you pause the video.
Phil rockin the daisy dukes.
From now on any time I happen to injure myself I'm going to say it happened while looking for a holy well lol
Knowing now that Mick drank himself to death , I wonder
@@lmtt123 where did you hear that?
@@lmtt123 , no he didn’t. He died from a burst aneurysm.
@@lmtt123 10:09 he had a brain anurism actually,get your facts right.
Sue finally revealed she's not a mute. And Tony is of course losing his hair, but Carranza is just as smart as ever.
Carrenza's bob cut is the MVP of this episode!
But watch each episode carefully and see how Carenza thinks her theory is the Only Correct One and She Must be the center of attention. Remember she was the Last One to Grasp the fact that Archeology Was Planted in that later episode?? The just butts in, thinks her opinion is more important and the only Correct One way to much for me. Helen is much better I think.
@@Go-Dawgs What's with the bizarre capitalization?
@@wheezesanchez5661 I believe he/she was visiting from the 18th Century. That would also account for the resentment of a woman who dares to have a professional opinion.
did anyone else think the map looked like an anatomical heart? It almost had 4 chambers and even a hint of an aorta!
I don't think Phil's shorts could have gotten any shorter. LOL!
Yes they could. You should see him in swim trunks.
3:02 wow it looks like a heart with aortic and pulmonary branches included... I wonder if that was the root of the design.
yes!
Awww cut Phil a break, He's from the 60's/70's. I used to wear them too,...until I got served legal papers telling me to cease, or face public execution :O lol
Angie M I was 14-16, far from being a man. Lol
My neighbour painted his garage wearing a thong. He was 60. My eyes still smell of bleach.
@@phoebegraveyard7225 oh, God...hehehe I feel ya`
@@phoebegraveyard7225 I just spit my coffee! Heee hee! Thanks for the laugh!
Anyone that cannot watch Phil's short should then avoid watching any football match from before the mid-90's. 22 males in ultra shorts, what's the problem? That was before also males became strangly prudes and started to wear 'shorts' down to their ankles. Even swimming trunks are now as large as camping tents. But eventually everything will be revisited, that's Social Moral Fashion for you.
I was very pleased to see Carenza leading this dig, very intelligently and competently. I like her, though I understand others' dislike of her as she sometimes seems slightly tedious and also irritable/prickly. Whenever I watch, I Always Notice how often the team members, Mick especially, cut her off or belittle her ideas. Thus I always assumed her "personality" issues came from simple pique. Notice at 24:01 she deliberately gives Stewart an opening, the like of which she pretty much never gets, and she's very polite and encouraging every time she's checking progress at the trenches.
Different subject: Isn't Anna Ritchie a Wonderful Guest!
You forgot the main reason people have a problem with her. She doesn't really know when to shut up. When you have a guest expert or townsfolk and ask them a question, you don't butt in and try answering the question for them like alot of the time she does.
@@ThePhoenix074 -- yes, it really is annoying dealing with people who know what they're talking about.
“In 2000, she appeared in national print media detailing her experiences as one of a number of victims of medical misdiagnosis at the hands of Dr James Elwood in the late 1990s”. (Wikipedia)
There’s a lot more to people than what only those closest to them will ever know.
I discovered some time ago that my father's father and his family come from Govan. Once i mentioned this to a girl I worked with from Glasgow and the dynamics of everything changed. She "looked down her nose" at me and said Govan is known for thieves, gangsters, mob controlled docks and such. I just laughed and laughed.
The lady’s voice is so angelic. She really should have been a books on tape narrator. (Yes, I’m dating myself) lol
Well wash your hands and have a good life😊
🥴🤣🤣🤣 Haha, reading some of the comments,... well, so funny how people expect an archeology-show to also be a fashion show...🤣🥴. Eccentrics Unite!
I know this is inappropriate, but every time they cut away to Sue, my breath escapes my body.
Tony was young and Phils hat still new. Must be an early episode...
Just noticed Tony got a haircut.
Bryon Lape His haircuts tend to relate to his acting jobs, Baldrick, the sheriff of Nottingham etc. It helps with dating the programme.
Note the cheeky Scotsman in the Maradona shirt just before 30 minutes in!
stone the crows!
"Perhaps the episode should be named "the hand of God"
So, any ideas as to how many times Tony says "frustrated" during the entire run of this series? Continually winging but HE isn't the one down in the dirt (or mud) doing the actual digging! Were I on the dig team, I probably would have rolled up a newspaper and swatted him a couple of times.
Lol. Bad puppy!
That's actually part of his job, he is saying the site doesn't look like it is producing anything and is a letdown so the archeologists can explain why it is important and just as good. It is the same when he is saying a trench doesn't look like anything is there in season 20 when there's a clear trench line and some post holes, it is done so the archeologists can explain it to the audience that thought the same as Tony said. He is channeling the idiot viewers of the show.
@@JETWTF That's harsh. Viewers can be very intelligent but not know much or anything about archeology or soil layers or, or, or. It's a big field (pun not intended). Why not say that Tony is channeling the interested lay viewers of the show? And he does that by asking questions that invite exposition by the archeologists.
I miss these people
fantastic place
I am viewing all the TT videos in reverse order. I am beginning to apreciate how Carenza progressed and improved the manner in which she treated and spoke to people. If I had watched them in order, beginning to end, my opinion of her would probably have been tainted by my early impressions.
She only spoke as the men she was around in the crew. ;)
she's fine. most of the others seem to cut her off whenever she speaks, which is what annoys me.
She is the most aggravating on the show. Going back to the beginning I find her always trying to be boss. She always tries to dominate the conversations thinking her opinion is the only Correct One. She's easier to watch when busy digging & yet then she explains her excavation as if the only one on site. After Watching later seasons it's clear, she craves the spotlight.
@@Go-Dawgs -- every episode, someone in the comments complains about Carenza. Watching the episodes in order, I find she is pointing out things she notices and moving the narrative along in a timely fashion. And -- being the 2nd leader on the digs -- she IS the boss, and seems to do a very good job of it
"Another" motte and bailey works just fine for me.
What do they do in a place like that, when every time you try to dig a new grave you run into someone who was buried in that spot a few centuries earlier?
This was the days before people correctly complained about the way they treat graves.
@@lmtt123 they either just dug into them, or some places would remove the old remains and put them in reliquaries or kists and stored them in catacombs.
Making a motte out of a moot hill?
I hope Stewart received regular pay raises commensurate to his insights and abilities
Tony’s “fashion” on this episode 😂😂😂😂
G.U.A.R.D: I'm going to guess "Glasgow University Archaeological Research Division?"
+TomLuTon
Yes.
TomLuTon I was thinking Get Ur Ass Really Dirty!!!!
@@kevingee4294 That too!
Those short shorts Phil is wearing! Isn’t it fantastic!? 😂😂😂
He's got legs and he knows how to use them. Hot Legs Phil Harding is pure eye candy.
I think it was a single tea and Green for practicing Golf😉
Phils sporting short shorts that mans all archeologist i guess
Veteran Time Team watchers are quite used to Phil's fashion statements. I remember he wore pink hot pants once .... I can't remember which episode that was, but after you've seen that, everything else he wears looks quite normal :)
He's lovely bloke and a very accomplished archeologist and as far as I'm concerned, he can wear a baby blue tutu to work if he feels like it. :D
MissCattitude63 True, the uniform of the day is for digging ditches, not a photo shoot for Gentleman's Quarterly!
+MissCattitude63 Phil never wore "pink hot pants". Mick, though, wore a pair of faded red shorts in several episodes. I've seen every Time Team episode, special and extra several times and, as a child of the '60s & '70s, I am very fond of Phil's cut-offs, so feel I can speak as an expert on this subject. If women can wear so called "revealing" clothing, why can't men?
The lady replacing Mick in this episode sounds like she is constantly whispering lol.
My old flat in the background!
a rare sunny day in Glasgow!
Is Stewart EVER wrong?
Ask his ex wife
Kevin Hill No.
Rarely
@@lmtt123 ex wife?
Stewart is so good at his job I wonder why they dont listen to him?
The church yard is in the shape of a heart.
Was here in October 30 2019
Sorry but some of us appreciate guys in shorts - I feel sorry for the people who can't recognise the good things in life
Thank you!
Lit·er·al·ly
adverb
In a literal manner or sense; exactly.
That man from Glasgow, Steve Driscoll- his accent seems so similar to an American one. Any comments?
+MegaDoug4 I tried looking him up. There is plenty of information relating him to archaeology but nothing of his origins. I agree, he does sound american, the mystery remains...
Professor Driscoll has a definite Canadian accent, not the accent of someone from the United States.
+E! Carroll ....Could be a Scots born man who spent a lot of time in Canada & picked up the accent? Just saying.
the clue might have been the caption under his name, when he first appeared, it said G.U.A.R.D. Now I'm no expert but this might refer to, say, Glasgow University Archaeology Research Division. He was not described as a Glaswegian and it's not unknown, now that sailing boats have largely been replaced, for people from foreign lands to work/study in Scottish and indeed English, Irish and Welsh universities. Or he simply might have adopted a mid-Atlantic accent in the presence of one of the leading actors of the British stage, screen and trench. Get a grip!
Thanks for being so snarky. Get a grip? Was that necessary? And thank you Clouseau for the detective work! Mid-Atlantic is an excellent guess as I have found he is more than likely from Washington, D.C.
"Or he simply might have adopted a mid-Atlantic accent in the presence of.." Really. I hope he's not that insecure.
That show is so good - the only thing I could imagine having it made even cooler would have been the use of a proper chopper, such like either a Huey or a Bell Jet Ranger at least or even a Bo 105. Not that ugly modern thingies. Something that beats the air into submission with real style.
I wonder if they removed those 19th century gravestones in order to display them. Or did they just re-bury them?
Love that show. But it seems them being so close when they speak seems so aliens. Thanks covid 19
I certainly missed Carenza on the later digs before they hired Mick's Bane.
So what, between the well and this week's episode, Tony fot a haircut?
Oh Yes just a few more centimeters are all hell would have broken loose.
Not even close.
Phil is the absolute chadlad
Phil's shorts.... ! Awesome. He doesn't care. ;-)
@@dietrichess9997when you have great legs why not flaunt them? He has got gorgeous legs.
@@deborahparham3783 I think Phil could have easily had a fun spin-off program by himself, perhaps giving us a tour of English pubs and breweries.
@@dietrichess9997 That would be great fun, especially if he played his guitar sometimes. He would be such fun to pub crawl with.
Phil's short shorts
After all these years.... we're still talking about those Short Shorts lol
@@tanakability2023 and he still wears them. Still has great legs.
I decided to go back and watch Time Team AGAIN from the beginning S1. Glad I have, although every episode reinforced my thoughts that Carenza is so opinionated About Everything! As a woman I find her to be instantly aggravating. She must be the one explaining everything, and she always buts into every conversation with her theory. Remembering that She was the last one to recognize the fake archeology planted in a later episode only reinforced the fact that she is Not Always Correct even though she thinks she is. I understand her plight, but now I yearn for Helen more.
cheer buddy
Holy well? It raises the real sparkling flag in this episode rather than the cemetery...What happened to his leg?
Why, pray tell, did the church move the grave stones/coffins and put them on display?
It wasn't "The Church" it was the protestants who came later
Because the church like to keep a hold of "Superstition "
2x is only way I can watch vids anymore.
Tony seems to look more serious in this episode. He must have an other hairdresser ;))
uw1955
All he needed then was new wardrobe!!
The church is at 55.864303,-4.312660
Looks Pictish but it dates a bit late for authentic pict artifacts. The art continued on.
You just can't unsee Phil's twig and berries.
first you'd have to see them, which you haven't here
Can't say I ever looked
...carved stones...
Pathetic how the priest does not want to accept the experts opinion on the stone coffin, but instead is looking for something they can use for religious purposes.
He is a protestant minister not a priest
Phil’s HOT PANTS 👖! Whoah!
Hot pants for hot legs!
Love the shorts and the man wearing them.
Mon Govan! 🤣
Pure dobbers man.
wonder if theyll dig me up if i burry my self with my cell phone and look at it my stuff lolz and throw my bones away ROFL
Its king guthred.