PUT CREDIT SPREAD VS CALL DEBIT SPREAD (WHICH IS BETTER?) - EP. 11

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  • @TechConversations
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  • @maxicato.official
    @maxicato.official 4 года назад +59

    Credit spreads are:
    • usually slower to react to changes in the underlying stock
    • not affected by changes in implied volatility
    • usually less directionally biased than debit spreads
    • much less likely to be exercised early, and therefore have a better defined risk (with a credit spread you hope everything expires worthless)
    • more defined in regards to profit potential - you keep the credit, if everything expires worthless as you predicted. (the options profit calculator assumes that IV remains constant, which in real life would affect debit spreads)
    • therefore usually the better option compared to debit spreads

    • @jayfreazy8772
      @jayfreazy8772 4 года назад +1

      Thank you for this information! Does this mean you run the risk of getting assigned 100 shares when using a call debit spread?

    • @maxicato.official
      @maxicato.official 4 года назад +5

      @@jayfreazy8772 technically yes, but you also *bought* a (more expensive) call, whilst *selling* a cheaper one (as part of the debit spread).
      So if you get assigned early on the call option you *sold* , you'd simply have to exercise the one you *bought* , and you won't be assigned any shares.
      Keep in mind, if you're using Robinhood, it might show you a negative balance on your account, until you exercise the call option you bought as a part of the call debit spread.

    • @maxicato.official
      @maxicato.official 4 года назад +16

      @@jayfreazy8772 debit spreads are the best (of the two) when you're correct about the direction of the market, especially if implied volatility changes in your favor (if it goes a lot in your favor, I'd consider that you close the spread early, so you can take advantage of that).
      Credit spreads are better in all the other scenarios, they react slower to changes in the market, and are more stable than debit spreads. You usually buy credit spreads way out of the money, with a high probability of profit (low delta), and you usually just let them expire worthless.

    • @jayfreazy8772
      @jayfreazy8772 4 года назад +1

      @@maxicato.official Thank you again for clarifying! So basically if I were to get assigned the 100 shares from my "sell call", which is further out the money. My "buy call" which is closer to the money, would protect me from having to pay for all those shares, correct?

    • @maxicato.official
      @maxicato.official 4 года назад +11

      @@jayfreazy8772 That's almost correct, except that you're never going to get assigned on calls/puts that are out of the money. You're only going to be assigned on calls/puts that are in the money (to prove this, ask yourself, why would someone ever want to exercise a contract that allows him/her the possibility to buy 100 shares of company XYZ at a price of X, if the company is actually trading at a price lower than X?).
      So let's rephrase what you said a little: if you were to get assigned 100 shares from your "sell call", which is less *in-the-money* than your "buy call" (making this setup a debit spread), your "buy call" would in deed protect your "sell call", but only if you exercise your "buy call" early, as soon as you get assigned on your "sell call". And since it usually takes some time for option trades to settle (usually until the next trading day), Robinhood may show you a large negative balance on your account until the "buy option" that you exercised gets settled.
      Since this setup is a debit spread, if you get exercised you'll actually return a profit because the option you buy has a higher strike price than the option you sell. That's why you want debit spreads to end up in the money. On the other hand, if a credit spread gets exercise, you'll end up losing money because the option you sell has a higher strike price than the option you buy.

  • @manbui1475
    @manbui1475 4 года назад +13

    Put credit spread when something crashes and debit spreads when your doing good on a call but scared it may drop turn it into a debit spread

  • @samex892
    @samex892 4 года назад +8

    Thank you for this one memo. I love credit spreads but they are dangerous. As you know lot of us have had issues with this in your discord. But this is great, we can avoid a lot trouble with this strategy. Thanks man!

  • @financialed1847
    @financialed1847 3 года назад +2

    return/ risk = 17 % for put cs, and 23% for call cs. but you also have to take into account deltas and probab of getting to be otm. put cs = 90% +/- call cs = +/- 70%

  • @adamo1827
    @adamo1827 2 года назад +1

    Bull markets thrive in low volatility. Cal debit spreads profit from rising volatility. So it makes sense to use call debit spreads in rising markets with low IV.

  • @eugenemurray3211
    @eugenemurray3211 4 года назад +2

    Ok. Ok. Lets say you win on both don't loose no money everything goes perfect.
    Call spread you risk $405 max return is $95 with no guaranteed credit. You get your 405 back plus $95 gain= $500 if you loose you loose all your money
    Put Spread your max risk is $427 that is the collateral you put up and you get a credit back of $73. You get your 427 back plus the credit you received up front = $500 . If you loose you loose only the 427 and gain the $73 credit basically loosing less than the Call spread.
    Its the same trade. Put spread you give 427 and is guaranteed a $73 debit if all goes well I think you get the debit regardless, but i can be wrong.
    Credit spread you give 405 with no debit in return so basically i think the risk is the same you are not saving any money or gaining more money by using one or the other. At the end of the day you get $500 if all goes perfect. The benefit of a Put spread is if you loose you loose less than the credit spread because of the Credit you receive with the Put spread. that credit you receive regardless of win or loose. Thats how i was told and what i have witnessed please chime in.

  • @god780
    @god780 4 года назад +8

    Bro, It pisses me off with the bid ask spreads for credit spreads on robinhood. Its impossible to get filled mid way and when you go to buy back it’s like they force you to lose money. I’m trading all liquid stocks and it still seems to be an issue.

  • @JimboReboja
    @JimboReboja 3 года назад +1

    The fact that you posted this on my birthday is the sign from the universe that this video is the one! I’m a newbie and I am excited to make some good profits. Thank you in advance!

  • @Beachballa
    @Beachballa Год назад

    Someone help please. I bought the call as debit. When I try to close, it asks me debit or credit again… which one??

  • @joshie9120
    @joshie9120 2 года назад +1

    Thank you so much. I’ve been spending so much time trying to find the answer to my specific question and this answered it. My big worry was getting screwed over for parts getting executed. That’s why I was worried about doing put credit spreads. Call credit spreads ITM seem safe compared to credit spreads OTM

  • @erikescobar3688
    @erikescobar3688 4 года назад +8

    First 🤙🏻 . Put Credit Spreads. All the way.

    • @zachcarroll4779
      @zachcarroll4779 4 года назад +1

      I do think he made a good point though, how your bottom Put in your Put Credit Spread could get exercised even after your told put Sold, where that wouldn't be a good situation to be in. This is why I like to close mine out early if possible.

    • @78213oswaldo
      @78213oswaldo 4 года назад +4

      Need collateral. Many people don't have the collateral.

    • @maxicato.official
      @maxicato.official 4 года назад +2

      @@zachcarroll4779 debit spreads usually run a much higher risk of being exercised early than credit spreads, because with a credit spread you want everything to expire worthless, and with a debit spread you want the spread to expire in the money.
      However, to protect yourself from being exercised early on a credit spread, you should cut your losses at some point, if the spread is going too far in the money. Set some rules for yourself.

    • @zachcarroll4779
      @zachcarroll4779 4 года назад

      @@maxicato.official debit spreads expiring itm? Say I buy a debsit spread for $75, I want that to go up in value over time, say it goes to $100, close early profit difference. This is the way I understand it.

    • @maxicato.official
      @maxicato.official 4 года назад +1

      @@zachcarroll4779 yes, a call option with a strike price of $75, when the underlying stock is trading at $100 is considered "in the money", and therefore always runs the risk of being exercised early.
      To make maximum profit with a debit spread (at expiration) you need both legs to expire in the money. To make maximum profit with a credit spread (at expiration) you need both legs to expire worthless - out of the money.
      If you intend to close your spreads early, usually credit spreads are still the safer option, because debit spreads are more affect by changes in volatility than credit spreads are. If you're right about your direction, and the underlying stock moves in that direction quickly, you may make more money with a debit spread than a credit spread. But if the stock ends up trading sideways (causing a decrease in implied volatility), or trades against your position, you may lose money more quickly with a debit spread compared to a credit spread.
      Usually you only really trade debit spreads when the IV rank is at the 20th percentile or less. This gives you a pretty high probability that the implied volatility might go up, and you can play that implied volatility by exercising early. Otherwise, sticking to credit spreads is the better option.

  • @juanmejia6478
    @juanmejia6478 4 года назад +4

    Thank you so much, I really didn’t know the difference between them and also did not know how to do a call credit spread.

    • @TechConversations
      @TechConversations  4 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching!

    • @mrb2518
      @mrb2518 4 года назад +2

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    • @juanmejia6478
      @juanmejia6478 4 года назад +1

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  • @thejasonbassGA
    @thejasonbassGA 2 года назад

    Ok...this may not get a reply, but would like to see if my understanding is correct. I do put credit spreads when IV is high. Then, when the underlying stock price increases and theta decays, that works in my favor. Further, if IV declines substantially, my option spread declines even more rapidly. On a debit spread, I have to be mindful of IV. If it's low, then I use this strategy. A rise in price may increase volatility and vega, thereby increasing my option price. Am I on the right page here?

  • @Achillessteel
    @Achillessteel 4 года назад +1

    man you explain it bettee than others!! thank you

  • @jonsims2208
    @jonsims2208 4 года назад +3

    Bro I love debit spreads. Thats where its at w/o having to pay/risk alot 🙏🙏🙏

    • @TechConversations
      @TechConversations  4 года назад +1

      Yes!

    • @jonsims2208
      @jonsims2208 4 года назад +3

      @@TechConversations I've been subscribed to the channel for a month or two now and u consistently put out quality vids bro Thanks. Me and everyone else u help appreciates u bro to the fullest!!! 🙏🙏🙏

  • @sidowsidow
    @sidowsidow 4 года назад +3

    so, if i do Call Deb spread is kind safe to leave it expire worthless ? don't have to do exit out

    • @TechConversations
      @TechConversations  4 года назад

      The risk of assignment isn't there like for credit spread so yes

  • @CryptoMafia
    @CryptoMafia 2 года назад

    So a call debit spread is better?

  • @101Flinx
    @101Flinx 3 года назад +2

    Thanx for the great explanation, thanks to you I now know how I lost $427 last week, It was becuase I was execised eatly on a put debit spread.

    • @eg7034
      @eg7034 3 года назад

      So call debit or put credit spreads?

  • @elsalvador007
    @elsalvador007 3 года назад

    Take you for showing the risk of being assigned on those put spreads. Is it better to close your positions the day before experition or what do you recommend to avoid assignment?

  • @CryptoMafia
    @CryptoMafia 2 года назад

    Can you close them early or do you need to what till expiration?

  • @Mars2152
    @Mars2152 2 года назад

    Nice and I have a lot to learn about things

  • @Kryptic..
    @Kryptic.. 4 года назад +1

    Thank you for this informational video.

  • @robinhayes7631
    @robinhayes7631 2 года назад

    Heyy why is my 53 credit spread in the red I'm new to this

  • @tinanguyen4885
    @tinanguyen4885 4 года назад +4

    Waiting to unlock lvl 3 options to do Put Credit Spreads

    • @TechConversations
      @TechConversations  4 года назад +1

      Soon!

    • @maxicato.official
      @maxicato.official 4 года назад +1

      Contact Robinhood and they'll unlock it for you. Make sure to let them know that you've been "researching different advanced options techniques for quite a while now, and would like to have advanced options strategies to be unlocked, so you can better manage your risk." Something along those lines.

    • @94mac
      @94mac 3 года назад

      @@maxicato.official or just raise your salary in the settings and put option experience to 3 plus years lol

  • @avalancha08
    @avalancha08 4 года назад +1

    I have a question for anyone who can guide me. So I sold a put on Robinhood, it expires on 8/21. The stock went below 17 (my strike price) yesterday. I thought I was supposed be forced to buy 100 shares cause it went below the price I chose. Am I supposed to do something to close this? Or is the owner of the shares or Robinhood supposed to take my collateral to buy the stock at 17. I’m confused. I got $230 premium for it. Thanks 👍🏽
    I don’t mind buying the 100 stocks at 17.

    • @TechConversations
      @TechConversations  4 года назад +2

      Usually you won't get the 100 shares unless the price is still under the strike price when the contract expires. It's rare that the buyer excercises their right to sell you 100 shares

    • @avalancha08
      @avalancha08 4 года назад

      TechConversations ahhh. Makes sense. It would be silly if he sold that stock to me at the current price. I also see that there are gains a loses on that stock. Does it affect their daily/week performance of its affecting my money? Thank you so much for taking the time. Your videos are great. I brand new to stock trading.

    • @alphaandomega5612
      @alphaandomega5612 4 года назад +1

      It is rare to be assigned prior to the expiration date, but if the stock goes significantly down below your strike price, you might get assigned. I got assigned today on an 8/21 option that I sold.

    • @avalancha08
      @avalancha08 4 года назад

      Alpha and Omega Ok, so it is possible to be assigned earlier. Did you get to keep any earnings or loses that occurred during the time you had the contract? You keep the premium no matter what right ? Thank you for your insight

    • @alphaandomega5612
      @alphaandomega5612 4 года назад +2

      @@avalancha08 You get to keep the premium no matter what. You do not get to keep any earnings or loses that occur while you have the contract. If you get assigned and the stock price is below $14.70 you will lose money on the transaction. If it is above $14.70 you will make money.

  • @julieharris6127
    @julieharris6127 3 года назад

    Did you do a CCS in this example, I couldn't tell if it was CDS, you pointed at credit spread?

  • @michaelcornish9306
    @michaelcornish9306 2 года назад

    If the credit spread is not in the money by the expiration date/time (4:00pm et) you should be good because Robinhood going to automatically exercise the contract for you to get the full/some profit off the premium

  • @ChrisPyle
    @ChrisPyle 4 года назад

    I’m new at all this and was hoping someone could explain something for me. Tesla is selling at $1,500 and change today and I can do a put credit spread that expires 8/28 $1,050-$1,100 buy/sell for $3.08/$4.30 so it pays $1.22 per share, $122 per contract. Tesla splits the next day so I don’t see it dropping $500 per share by then. I get I’m risking $500 but doesn’t that seem like an easy $122 to make? Are way far out of the money put credit spreads like this normally a good idea or no? So far I’ve only been doing call debit spreads and praying the stock goes up or put debit spreads and praying it goes down. This getting paid upfront and hoping the bottom doesn’t fall out is a new concept for me and I feel like I have to be missing something. Thanks in advance for any suggestions, advice, comments etc! I only have a few thousand in my account to use so I’m trying not to screw up too bad lol

  • @sidowsidow
    @sidowsidow 4 года назад

    But the issue on this method using Debit spread, if you let expire the option (without exiting) ... even if current stock price is above the strike price you lose the initial cost paid on this option ...confirm please?

    • @JBT97
      @JBT97 3 года назад

      If you let the whole spread expire ITM. Then the whole spread would get exercised, netting you the difference between the strike prices minus the cost of the premium for opening the spread in the first place. So, yes, you lose the initial cost of the option, but because the spread was ITM you should make the maximum amount (since the difference in strike prices is greater than the premium).

  • @dhavydesson3050
    @dhavydesson3050 4 года назад

    What if you do a put credit spread above the strike price? Stock is $70 currently. You buy a put credit spread where your buying a put at $90, and selling a put at $110. You get $200 credit that you get to keep right? And if the stock stays around $75 and expires you keep the $200 and the stock is worthless? Thanks In advance.

    • @blindcyde80
      @blindcyde80 3 года назад +1

      when doing a put credit spread, you want the stock to end ABOVE the strike of the put you sold, so in your example you would want it to end over $110 not finish around $75. If it ends up below $90, like your $75 example would suggest, then it is in your max loss territory, which for your example is negative $2000.

  • @eg7034
    @eg7034 3 года назад

    So which is better

  • @Henry-jq9hc
    @Henry-jq9hc 3 года назад

    Doesn't higher profit and lower risk mean lower probability of profit?

  • @kidnaruto2542
    @kidnaruto2542 3 года назад

    Do you let debit spreads just expire on Robinhood for Max profit ? Or should I close it

    • @kamaaladiin
      @kamaaladiin 3 года назад

      I sell it if its in OTM.

  • @Javso405
    @Javso405 4 года назад +2

    Do we let the debit spread expire or do we have to sell it?

    • @TechConversations
      @TechConversations  4 года назад +4

      You can do either, I like to close mine right before expiration just so that Robinhood doesn't do it for me (don't trust them)

    • @Javso405
      @Javso405 4 года назад

      @@TechConversations so if i bought a debit spread is it like a call, I'm betting that the stock will go above my buys

    • @maxicato.official
      @maxicato.official 4 года назад +3

      Usually you'd want to close a *debit spread* early (especially if you want to take advantage of changes in Implied Volatility).
      And usually you'd want to let a *credit spread* expire if you think it'll expire worthless. If you have any doubts, you'd close a credit spread early too.
      Keep in mind, if you let a *debit spread* expire in-the-money (which is where it's supposed to be), your "sell"-leg will get exercised. If this happens before Robinhood exercises your "buy"-leg, Robinhood may show you a large negative balance on your account. But, that's *TEMPORARY* , you'll just have to wait for your "buy"-leg to settle, and you'll end up with a *profit* .
      P.S. I'm by no means an expert nor am I a financial advisor. Take my advice with a grain of salt

    • @adam75south
      @adam75south 3 года назад +1

      @@TechConversations Dude. For real. I had 10 $SHOP call credit spreads expiring just today. It was clear they were going to expire worthless and I was going to keep the full $800 premium. 9 minutes before market close, Robinhood closed them out at .35, which meant I paid $350 to close them, keeping only $450 of my $800 premium. I should have closed it myself when I could have banked $750, but I got greedy and wanted it all. It did expire worthless by about $13 and I have no clue how Robinhood felt .35 was fair value.

  • @caroarceo
    @caroarceo 4 года назад +2

    I can’t do spreads yet. Do you know how many trades I need to do?

    • @TechConversations
      @TechConversations  4 года назад +1

      I've heard from people that it is 10 option trades that you need

    • @maxicato.official
      @maxicato.official 4 года назад +1

      Contact Robinhood and have them unlock advanced trading strategies for you.

    • @Jayc03
      @Jayc03 4 года назад +1

      I got mine about 4 option trade on Workhorse.

  • @ohmarvin9086
    @ohmarvin9086 4 года назад

    Probability of profit differs though right?

  • @zlatan1983
    @zlatan1983 4 года назад

    I can't seem to access these on Robinhood. How do I get to those which I think belong to Level 3 correct ?

    • @maxicato.official
      @maxicato.official 4 года назад

      Contact Robinhood, tell them you've been researching spreads and would like to be able to manage your risk more properly through the use of advanced options trading strategies.

  • @eg7034
    @eg7034 3 года назад

    Why would they not expired together?

  • @ElChelikesAudi
    @ElChelikesAudi 4 года назад +2

    I want more bear strategies for someone like me with a small account I definitely feel like there's going to be some companies are going to be going in the red and I want to be able to capitalize on that how would you do that can you make a video on that

    • @TechConversations
      @TechConversations  4 года назад +1

      Absolutely will do that!

    • @ElChelikesAudi
      @ElChelikesAudi 4 года назад

      @@TechConversations Awesome looking forward to it

    • @maxicato.official
      @maxicato.official 4 года назад +1

      Short calls, long puts, debit put spreads, or credit calls spreads. Those are all easy-to-set-up bearish strategies.
      For any account size, I highly recommend looking into credit spreads over anything else (I'm not a financial advisor though).

  • @SuperBatong
    @SuperBatong 4 года назад +1

    Will I need to own 100 shares when I do Call debit spread ?

  • @youarethealgorithm
    @youarethealgorithm 4 года назад +1

    Can you do a video where you show how to open a buy call option contract and then close it. I can’t close a contract and my contracts are going to zero. I can’t figure out what I’m doing wrong.

  • @georgeofnewyork
    @georgeofnewyork 3 года назад +1

    You're selling an ITM call tho, won't it just get exercised instantly?

    • @TheVonWeasel
      @TheVonWeasel 3 года назад

      Options can only be exercised on their expiration date

    • @georgeofnewyork
      @georgeofnewyork 3 года назад

      @@TheVonWeasel Oh okay thanks

    • @TheVonWeasel
      @TheVonWeasel 3 года назад

      @@georgeofnewyork I'm actually an idiot haha >_<
      I did some more research and you can exercise early if you want to. It's just a really bad idea because you're throwing away all the extrinsic value.

  • @kelvyconey5797
    @kelvyconey5797 4 года назад

    So I do a lot of put credit spreads on Apple. They are about to do there 4 to 1 split I believe at the end of the month. How would that affect someone who has contracts open during the time of the split?

    • @maxicato.official
      @maxicato.official 4 года назад

      @@Stage-SideStories no lol that's not how it works, otherwise everyone would quadruple their money if they bought a whole bunch of puts right before the split 😂

    • @kelvyconey5797
      @kelvyconey5797 4 года назад

      beazy903 so you are saying if you got a stock. 5 contracts with a strike of 20. That’s a value of 100. The 5 contracts get multiples by 4 so it goes from 5 to 20 contracts. And the strike price is split by 4. So the strike goes from 20 to 5. 20 contracts and 5 strike is still a value of 100.

    • @maxicato.official
      @maxicato.official 4 года назад

      I wouldn't buy any contracts before the split, just as I wouldn't right before an earnings call (unless it's part of a greater strategy of course).. however, to answer your question, even though the strike price will decrease by a factor of 4, the options prices won't directly be affected by that change. But, the options contacts will be affected by changes in volatility, and even though credit spreads (for example) don't really feel those changes in volatility, the direction of a stock after a split is quite unpredictable

    • @maxicato.official
      @maxicato.official 4 года назад

      @@Stage-SideStories yeah you're exactly right thanks for the clarification

    • @kelvyconey5797
      @kelvyconey5797 4 года назад

      Maxim Ciscato yeah I was going to avoid trading options on the Apple about a week before the split and then a week after just to see it level out. Put credit spreads on Apple have been money for me

  • @joelarmour
    @joelarmour 4 года назад

    so call debit spreads are in the money?

    • @maxicato.official
      @maxicato.official 4 года назад +1

      Usually you'd buy debit spreads at the money or slightly in the money and credit spreads far out of the money.
      The reason you don't want to go too far in the money with debit spreads is because you don't want to run the risk of being assigned early

  • @oinkpiggin
    @oinkpiggin 3 года назад

    at 9:58 you said these are both bullish strategy. I think you made a mistake there. Isn't that you are comparing Call Credit Spread (aka bear call spread) vs Put Credit Spread (aka bull put spread) ? Therefore, they are not both bullish.

    • @TechConversations
      @TechConversations  3 года назад +1

      No I'm comparing put credit and call debit come on just look at the video title

    • @blindcyde80
      @blindcyde80 3 года назад

      he is right about both being a bullish strategy because he is talking about a put CREDIT spread and a call DEBIT spread. both of which are bullish
      no one besides you mentioned a call credit spread

  • @nikkita2427
    @nikkita2427 3 года назад

    Thanks for this information, I was confused on what the difference was! Great explanation!

  • @Gmel405
    @Gmel405 4 года назад +2

    Green day 💪🏾

  • @mcdiesel7505
    @mcdiesel7505 2 года назад

    His puts r wrong

  • @fuleung4296
    @fuleung4296 3 года назад

    Cool

  • @ArcOfTheCovenant
    @ArcOfTheCovenant 4 года назад

    Are you a professional financial adviser? Im guessing no. But you offer a paid service that involves giving financial advice?

    • @TechConversations
      @TechConversations  4 года назад +3

      Lol did you not listen to the beginning of my video? LMAO. And no we don't give financial advice, people pay us for our opinion and then they can do what they please with it

  • @rhondasinwell1060
    @rhondasinwell1060 3 года назад

    unwatchable as this thing triggered 4 commercials in a 13 minute video, no thanks

  • @rotagbhd
    @rotagbhd 2 года назад

    lol This guy has no idea what he is talking about. DO NOT listen to this guy's advice or descriptions, they are very wrong.