Why is it a surprise? What does a new platform does to you if it is not reliable? Do you even care whats underneath as long as it is tough and reliable?
Toyota knows that for the Australian market, they can show up late, do even less than the bare minimum, jack the prices up significantly and still sell out of order books.
because Australians are manly manly outdoors men that need a lux to show how manly their camping accessories are in the local shopping centre and school pickup!
Hilux owner here and I don't love it, or any of their new 4wds 😞 I was waiting for the new model after rumors of a V6 Hilux but I think I'll just wait for the Ranger super duty now 😬
@ it’s disappointing Toyota didn’t chuck a V6 in it. Full disclosure, I drive a Ranger but was interested to see how the next gen Hilux compares, turns out it was just a facelift …again.
New headlights, upgraded the interior touch screen to 6 inch in size, now has adblue and cost gone up by 10-15k. Probably won't be too far from the truth.
@@AnyoneSeenMikeHunt Really? Ford came out with new engines when they last updated the ranger? Toyota are known to the absolute bare minimum yet people still buy them.
@@lamborghini0610 I hear what your saying but go back and reread TVR161's original comment, then read my comment, then have a cuppa tea, have a rethink, delete your comment and start again Matt.
@@lamborghini0610The first gen T6 came out in 2011 until 2022, so 11 years. The new ranger is basically the same T6 platform, only revised since it’s called T6.2. The V6 came out in 2016 and only started being used in the Raptor in 2021. So where’s this “new” you’re talking about? Only thing new is the design ofc. Current gen Hilux came out in 2015, thus this yr the platform is 10 yrs old. If previous trends were to be followed, like the previous gen where they were on sale from 2004-2015, Toyota would likely introduce an all new generation next year. Don’t be such a hater/ass kisser to a brand, it’s literally the car industry since like forever. Push the model as long as possible to maximize profits and minimize cost.
cant wait for toyota to re-release the exact same car they have been making for years but with a huge price increase for no reason. yet another toyota L
Give it: -A 6 cylinder -Higher definition reverse/360 camera -Better trans cooling -Better suspension and brakes I don't mind paying 15-25k extra for a better hilux.
Agree. For me personally, I don't want issues in my life, and would happily trade off gadgets and technology for outdated old technology that just does what it is supposed to. I don't even upgrade my smartphones until they die say every 5th year cause I can't stand the hassle.
@@fred3527 Does that matter if the resale in good? I "lost" 8-9k aud when I got an offer to trade my -21 hilux with 145 000 km on the clock. That's incredibly good outside of covid. It doesn't matter if the vehicle costs 40k or 100k of TCO is good. The only downside is interest which in many countries is deductible for companies anyway.
@perpelle You make a good point. I think it may start to change though. I'm glad your experience with Toyota has been so good. I feel that they are trading on their reputation of old. My two experiences with Toyota weren't that great. Engine issue with one and electronics with another. In the same way that the Japanese started to eat the Europeans' lunch in the '70's, I think the Chinese have started eating the Japanese's lunch. That BYD Shark is aptly named as a shark is an eating machine.
@@fred3527 I will never touch a Chinese brand no matter how cheap it is but that's just me. Last week I read a long term review of a MG vs some other brands and in pure TCO a Mercedes was cheaper to own because of how incredibly horrible the resale was on the MG.
Toyota did the same thing before the current tundra was released. It was a “test mule”. Old cab on the new chassis with obscured front and rear quarter panels. It could also be just a refresh.
The Hilux staying exactly the same is actually great news! Especially for people that rely on truck to actually work. Here in Europe the Ranger comes with a 2L engine with a wet belt, and the Isuzu with a 1.9L engine. Not a surprise this new Hilux dominates the pick-up market around here.
@@dallasfrost1996Bit of a big problem there. They wouldn't fit on Asian roads and it would also mean you'd need a heavy vehicle license to operate a mid size pickup.
At least Toyota knows that if a platform is working there’s no need to change it completely just for wow factor, you don’t buy a Toyota to be ahead of the pack you buy it because you know it works and you don’t care what anyone else is doing/thinking. If it’s as good as the current generation of hilux then I’d be happy with it. Does the job which in the long run makes customers happier the longer they own it.
NVES is brought for this specific reason: to prevent manufacturers from selling decades old vehicles with decades old engines. It should have been done 5 years ago or at least the original version, not the current watered down version. These dual cab utes with decades old diesel engines are destined for third world countries market. They are sold here because of no NVES, Australia's low emissions standard and because of australian high purchasing power so they can charge a premium price compared to third world countries.
@@ablokecalledbeer Everything seeing that it is just the previous model with a useless heavy battery to lug around and has less room in the back and it costs 10 grand more.
I will seriously be considering a switch to another brand for my work ute when updating in 2027 if this is what toyota think we want from a brand new platform. Essentially the same ute as my 2022 model...hopefully these first impressions are proven to be incorrect.
In all seriousness, IMHO the current Hilux and D-max are a good size … Ranger and new Triton are getting big, but there is no reason why Toyota cannot find a little more space inside the cabin and the tub. They can widen the wheel track slightly to impact stability, without going to Ford Ranger dimensions.
The Tacoma is not designed in Japan. It’s designed in America with American designers Japanese designers. Do not care how the car looks like so they will push out poorly designed vehicles.
The saddest bit about it is that if Ford had’ve transitioned to producing Ranger’s locally from 2012, they could have still been manufacturing vehicles here in Australia today. In May 2013 Ford announced that they would end local production. In 2012 Falcon sold 14,036 vehicles, and Territory sold 14,646 vehicles, totalling 28,682 vehicles. By April 2013 Falcon was on track to sell less than 10,000 units for the year, whilst Territory was up just 4.4%, putting it on track to sell over 1,000 more units than it ultimately ended up selling. Such a production trajectory left Ford looking at producing less than 25,000 units for a year. Looking back to 2008 - when Ford had its first full year of sales after launching the FG Falcon - and no one was talking about shutting down Ford manufacturing in Australia - we can watch how the sales changed between these key models. (“Falcon” is inclusive of Falcon sedans, wagons, Utes, and FPV models). 2008 * Falcon: 44,536 * Territory: 12,882 * Combined: 56,418 * Ranger: 15,421 * Combined: 71,839 2009 * Falcon: 43,203 * Territory: 10,884 * Combined: 54,087 * Ranger: 14,045 * Combined: 68,132 2010 * Falcon: 38,615 * Territory: 11,558 * Combined: 50,173 * Ranger: 14,709 * Combined: 64,882 2011 * Falcon: 25,555 * Territory: 13,886 * Combined: 39,441 * Ranger: 15,600 * Combined: 55,041 2012 * Falcon: 19,769 * Territory: 14,646 * Combined: 34,415 * Ranger: 18,192 * Combined: 52,607 May 2013 - Australian manufacturing to end announcement 2013 * Falcon: 15,289 * Territory: 14,261 * Combined: 29,550 * Ranger: 21,752 * Combined: 51,302 2014 * Falcon: 9,134 * Territory: 9,828 * Combined: 18,962 * Ranger: 26,619 * Combined: 45,581 2015 * Falcon: 8,592 * Territory: 8,902 * Combined: 17,494 * Ranger: 29,285 * Everest: 1,245 * Combined: 30,530 * Combined: 48,024 2016 * Falcon: 6,604 * Territory: 6,928 * Combined: 13,532 * Ranger: 36,934 * Everest: 3,614 * Combined: 40,548 * Combined: 54,080 2017 * Falcon: 282 * Territory: 1,764 * Combined: 2,046 * Ranger: 42,728 * Everest: 4,607 * Combined: 47,335 * Combined: 49,381 2018 * Ranger: 42,144 * Everest: 5,482 * Combined: 47,626 2019 * Ranger: 40,960 * Everest: 5,333 * Combined: 46,293 2020 * Ranger: 40,973 * Everest: 5,996 * Combined: 46,969 2021 * Ranger: 50,279 * Everest: 8,359 * Combined: 58,638 2022 * Ranger: 47,479 * Everest: 10,314 * Combined: 57,793 2023 * Ranger: 63,356 * Everest: 15,071 * Combined: 78,427 2024 * Ranger: 62,593 * Everest: 26,494 * Combined: 89,187 Given 2012 locally manufactured figures of 34,415 units (or the 2013 Q1 sales results), was enough to sign the death of Ford’s local manufacturing, had Ford started producing the PX1 Ranger locally in 2011, they would have salvaged the 39,441 unit production figure of 2011 up to 52,607 units by the end of 2012, and never seen local production fall below 45,000 units as the transition from Falcon and Territory to Ranger and Everest occurred. There may have even been enough fat for low volume performance models of the Falcon to remain in production going forward - even if it was only a couple thousand per year.
Welcome to the All New Hilux!!! We have changed the bumpers, lights, a new bonnet, and a slightly large infotainment screen!....All new Hilux! ALL NEW! ALL NEEWWWWWW!
Looks like it’s going to be a Ute based on prado interior and same 48v diesel as standard. And the exterior looks like it will be a Camry exercise with a front and rear touch up.
I disagree with your view on NVES. Many laegacy brands have been increasing the price of their vehicles years before NVES was proposed. Also, many manufacturers have complied in the EU and the US, so all the manufacturers have to do is send more HEVs, PHEVs and BEVs that they already sell in the EU and US markets to Australia.
Also, I would have thought Toyota on average has a pretty good emission average per vehicle so unlikely to impact them. It will be RAM and the like that get stung the hardest as they only produce high emissions vehicles. And don't tell me that RAM owners are struggling....
@@anthony-1357 Over the past 2 years, all three New Energy Powertrains: Hybrids, Plug-in Hybrids & Battery Electric vehicles have seen large growth in sales numbers. Meanwhile, Petrol & Diesel vehicles have seen a decline. I would say that many Australians do want these cars and NVES will give us even more options.
This is great news … everyone would be hoping Toyota could carryover things like the decade old Corolla infotainment system, uncomfortable seats, arcade 4x4 system, and most importantly, the shrinking payload capacity!
Is there a chance this is a minor update for other markets such as Thailand and south east Asia to continue the current model at a lower price point beneath a more extensive redesign that goes further upmarket?
I do recall reading something about 2 Hiluxs, one for the developing world that retains the same platform etc to keep cost and price down and one for the developed world based on the new platform with new engines etc and likely $10k price increase. Hope that’s the case
That's exactly what I'm hoping for, keep the current generation Hilux around for markets that still want it for the lower costs, but also introduce an all-new generation Hilux based on the TNGA-F platform for the remaining markets. Eventually when the prices come down enough on the new generation Hilux, Toyota could in the future replace the previous gen Hilux's with them.
It’s the same old truck, this is the exact reason I got sick of waiting for an all new Hilux, I ordered a BYD Shark a few weeks back and looking forward to some modern technology and an all new truck.
If im not mistaken. When toyota was testing the current model tundra they were using the previous model cab foe testing so maybe its the same thing here and the final product may have a different cab. We'll wait and see
They did not even bother to retain that nice 4,0ltr V6 Petrol in the Prado... No chance they will put it in the Hilux Will be under-powered as the new Prado, with only very old 4-cylinder engines 🤮
I don't have a problem with NVES - other countries have had it for years so hardly a surprise Australia is finally catching up. Car makers just need to lift their game.
Although the N80 platform is growing long in the tooth, it still holds charm in its styling and I don't really think Toyota needs to change to much externally, however it is a little disappointing to see the same mid section in use,especially with the rear seating being a concern on most dual cabs in terms of space/leg room. Are we looking at a n80 with a front and rear face lift here?. I think the biggest improvement will be the internal dash layout. If it resembles 250 series inside + the 8 speed auto/48 volt, ad a few eastereggs like Tow haul /MTS/ vented seats....could be onto a winner?!
Let's see if the NVES pushes the Hilux to be expensive, which I don't believe will happen due to the weak NVES target, how many customers will leave Toyota and find an alternative brand.
Top 10 selling cars for 2024 Ford Ranger - 62,593 Toyota RAV4 - 58,718 Toyota Hilux - 53,499 Top 10 selling brands for 2024 Toyota - 241,296 Ford - 100,170 Mazda - 95,987
@@jameswilson4712 No I saw that. Maybe in the big scheme of things Toyota are quite happy with their Hilux market share and are not using Ranger sales as their metric to success to the same quantification as you are? It would not at all surprise me that Hilux has a far greater profit margin than Ranger also. For the stupid money both cost one would have rocks in their noggen to get either one.
Quite disappointing to see the Hilux continue on with the outdated IMV platform, can't say I'm surprised though, Toyota is well known for this. I was hoping to see an all-new redesigned Hilux based on the TNGA-F platform that mirrored it's North American twin the Tacoma. Instead of an all-new generation Hilux, it looks like we're just getting another refreshed/face-lifted Hilux. No wonder the Ford Ranger has been our best-selling selling vehicle for the last 10 years straight here in New Zealand.
Current shape Hilux owner - have been patiently waiting to see some sort of insight into the future Hilux model to upgrade to; will probably go the 79 series route after seeing this.
This looks like they might go for a double headlight setup? Those headlights seem very slim, might not be the main lights? The recessed areas under the lights for the main lights?
With Tundra now available is OZ there may not be the demand for the high end Hilux any more. The fact that Australian’s pay 75k+ for a Rogue of GR is outrageous, and they shouldn’t be used to tow 3+ tonnes either. They have always been a workhorse and a great one at that and Toyota know they will sell 10’s of thousands of them!
I for one am glad they kept the current platform, moving up to the tundra/tacoma/lc300 platform would’ve made it far too big imo Shame they haven’t done much else in terms of updates however
Dopey is the word in the bush that is for sure but there is also the issue of the lazy local mechanics not wanting a bar of servicing or repairing anything but Toyotas. This "network' ensures constant Toyota loyalty ,this was my experience living even 4 hrs out of Sydney.
@@grjh58 Yup, pretty much a major refresh/face-lift. This time around the face-lift looks to include reshaped front fenders, hood, & headlights as well. The rear cargo tray/tub looks like it'll be re-skinned to match the newer front end design.
That frame is yes old, but strong, less curves equals strength in structural steel perhaps. It’s a truck not a car. Toyota owns and makes Hino trucks don’t forget Hino developed and built the first few series. I love to see what a test of the frames of modern Utes from a structural engineer would reveal. Just hope they give it the Prada styling internally that would be ideal. A tough work horse with a comfy interior.
I feel there was nothing wrong with the exterior of the Toyota hilux it just needs updates in the interior, a bigger mor powerful engine like a V6 for the GR variate
I'm not seeing the point of upgrading the model if there are no changes? Without a Hybrid solution products like the BYD Ute will take market share I'm seeing an increased loss of market share IMO. You are far better off buying the current model at an outgoing discount.
Im from SA and tbh Toyota doesn't take us seriously and I'm a fan i have a old legend 35 and a lengend 50 but with the way things are going I might be switching to Ford or Isuzu as I have been wanting to buy a new bakkie but I wanted to wait for a new hilux but seemingly I might have wasted my time
I was really expecting the Tacoma looker to be the Hilux since the world is really becoming one. Look at the Ranger, it wasn't available for the US market but now it is and is competing against the Tacoma. I was expecting like wise that Toyota to distribute the Tacoma to the world but still, they don't get it.
Wonder why they couldn't replicate the NA Tacoma platform over to the overseas market and just throw the turbo diesel into it? If it's all on the TNGF platform it should be cost effective
What is the same alternative,you have Ranger and Hilux as your mainstream Ute then the Izuzu, Nissan and Mitsubishi which will be /are the same , surely the other offerings will be taken with a grain of salt ? What does an Australian Ute buyer look for ,esp the fleet buyers ? The platform is relatively basic and serviceable by most outback garages ,add complications to that scenario and there might be turmoil. I would also think that the Built in Maylasia is a big factor .
The Hilux will be on the same platform but the Fortuner will be all new...said somewhere in the article But I hope we'll see the better results ..but if not then I'll be speechless
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Classic Toyota. New front and rear bars on an ancient design and call it a day
Why is it a surprise? What does a new platform does to you if it is not reliable? Do you even care whats underneath as long as it is tough and reliable?
Classic 'every car maker in the last 50 years' facelift
@@Lav-v9c toyota used to be tough and reliable, but thats no longer the case
But it still sells like hotcake.
Probably still running the shitbox 4 cylinder 2.8 diesel too...
Toyota knows that for the Australian market, they can show up late, do even less than the bare minimum, jack the prices up significantly and still sell out of order books.
Because Australians.
because Australians are manly manly outdoors men that need a lux to show how manly their camping accessories are in the local shopping centre and school pickup!
Nahh. Not just australia. Even in SEA. Its much worse.
I think yota will lose more and more customers due to their behaviour. Baby boomers may be their biggest and dwindling customer base
So all the Toyota fan boys can now choke at the fact that they are being built in Thailand, and it’s the same old platform 😂 what a joke Toyota hilux
Toyota may as well put the ashtray back in to reflect its progress since the 1980s
Vape holder
😂😂😂 damn id almost forgotten that some cars used to have that.
Ash tray is a perfect bin. Need it back
Just like my 21 landcruiser
I get a feeling that green digital clock will still make a return.
Disappointing
Dissapointing and gutless like the rest of the line up
Resale value going in the poo lol
The rest of the Toyota lineup is as disappointing. New Prado is a huge let down.
Highly
And why do you care? Are you a shareholder?
Hilux owners will love this, no one else will though. 😂
I dont. Own a 2019 rugged x with a gr sport on the way but didn't think I'd buy it cus a new one around the corner.... the fuck is this.
Hilux owner here and I don't love it, or any of their new 4wds 😞
I was waiting for the new model after rumors of a V6 Hilux but I think I'll just wait for the Ranger super duty now 😬
@ it’s disappointing Toyota didn’t chuck a V6 in it. Full disclosure, I drive a Ranger but was interested to see how the next gen Hilux compares, turns out it was just a facelift …again.
If it aint broke dont fix it, i applaud Toyota, dont care for these other new trucks which are trash
New headlights, upgraded the interior touch screen to 6 inch in size, now has adblue and cost gone up by 10-15k. Probably won't be too far from the truth.
You just described the last 50 years of the car industry.
@@AnyoneSeenMikeHunt Really? Ford came out with new engines when they last updated the ranger? Toyota are known to the absolute bare minimum yet people still buy them.
@@lamborghini0610 I hear what your saying but go back and reread TVR161's original comment, then read my comment, then have a cuppa tea, have a rethink, delete your comment and start again Matt.
@@lamborghini0610The first gen T6 came out in 2011 until 2022, so 11 years. The new ranger is basically the same T6 platform, only revised since it’s called T6.2. The V6 came out in 2016 and only started being used in the Raptor in 2021. So where’s this “new” you’re talking about? Only thing new is the design ofc.
Current gen Hilux came out in 2015, thus this yr the platform is 10 yrs old. If previous trends were to be followed, like the previous gen where they were on sale from 2004-2015, Toyota would likely introduce an all new generation next year.
Don’t be such a hater/ass kisser to a brand, it’s literally the car industry since like forever. Push the model as long as possible to maximize profits and minimize cost.
@@lamborghini0610Toyota's seem to have a better resale value.
Toyota made a triton.
Oh my lord I was thinking the same thing
I was absolutely thinking the same thing ! So disappointing!
Yep I'd say the same😮😂
you read my mind that is what i thought on first look
What do u mean by that??
cant wait for toyota to re-release the exact same car they have been making for years but with a huge price increase for no reason. yet another toyota L
And these body on platform cars are the most profitable one.
Is it an L when people buy them up? It's the fault of the people.
Give it:
-A 6 cylinder
-Higher definition reverse/360 camera
-Better trans cooling
-Better suspension and brakes
I don't mind paying 15-25k extra for a better hilux.
Tarcoma?
Tacoma won't happen and would cost even more than the Hilux. A V6 diesel, like the one in the Cruiser, won't happen because of NVES.
Keep the 2.8l. Put a generator on the back and jam some 300kw 2 speed solid E axles under in on hydropneumatic suspension.
Most toyota buyers don’t really care about design nor technology, they just want a reliable car with decent resell value
Agree. For me personally, I don't want issues in my life, and would happily trade off gadgets and technology for outdated old technology that just does what it is supposed to. I don't even upgrade my smartphones until they die say every 5th year cause I can't stand the hassle.
@@warrenjoubert4027 I agree, but Toyota is milking the fact with their high prices.
@@fred3527 Does that matter if the resale in good?
I "lost" 8-9k aud when I got an offer to trade my -21 hilux with 145 000 km on the clock.
That's incredibly good outside of covid.
It doesn't matter if the vehicle costs 40k or 100k of TCO is good. The only downside is interest which in many countries is deductible for companies anyway.
@perpelle You make a good point. I think it may start to change though.
I'm glad your experience with Toyota has been so good. I feel that they are trading on their reputation of old. My two experiences with Toyota weren't that great. Engine issue with one and electronics with another.
In the same way that the Japanese started to eat the Europeans' lunch in the '70's, I think the Chinese have started eating the Japanese's lunch.
That BYD Shark is aptly named as a shark is an eating machine.
@@fred3527 I will never touch a Chinese brand no matter how cheap it is but that's just me.
Last week I read a long term review of a MG vs some other brands and in pure TCO a Mercedes was cheaper to own because of how incredibly horrible the resale was on the MG.
In Mitsubishi's defence, Triton GSR is $20,000 cheaper than Ranger Wildtrak thanks in part to those drum brakes.
But it’s fashionable to bash Tritons. Makes them feel like they’re part of the group
Unfortunately hilux fan boys won't find anything wrong with this ancient looking vehicle 😂
Toyota decides to Keep the Old Design/Tech - you are disappointed that it has no changes
Toyota brings New Changes , people cry Old was better
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Yeah, sweet new changes like a 48v system, adblue and a 10 grand price increase.
Toyota did the same thing before the current tundra was released. It was a “test mule”. Old cab on the new chassis with obscured front and rear quarter panels. It could also be just a refresh.
New Hilux...ancient platform, same gutless 4cyl 2.8 Diesel, usual insipid interior all for a 7K price increase...Oh what a feeling!
Paul looks like you had a good xmas
😂😅 True
Legit 🥵
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Still have a OG TRD v6 supercharged Hilux and I’m very disappointed that they haven’t had anything to replace it other then going to a ford raptor
Yeah i think if Toyota were ever going to do it then it would've been in their GR model Hilux, but sadly never happened.
The 2.8 diesel again 😂
Bruce Bruce Bruce ! Fancy spotting you here mate 👍🏻
The Hilux staying exactly the same is actually great news! Especially for people that rely on truck to actually work. Here in Europe the Ranger comes with a 2L engine with a wet belt, and the Isuzu with a 1.9L engine. Not a surprise this new Hilux dominates the pick-up market around here.
Not sure why they don't just use RHD version of the Tacoma. Seems like same truck
Exactly, if Toyota streamlined their mid-size trucks globally it'd be much simpler for them.
@@dallasfrost1996Bit of a big problem there. They wouldn't fit on Asian roads and it would also mean you'd need a heavy vehicle license to operate a mid size pickup.
At least Toyota knows that if a platform is working there’s no need to change it completely just for wow factor, you don’t buy a Toyota to be ahead of the pack you buy it because you know it works and you don’t care what anyone else is doing/thinking. If it’s as good as the current generation of hilux then I’d be happy with it. Does the job which in the long run makes customers happier the longer they own it.
NVES is brought for this specific reason: to prevent manufacturers from selling decades old vehicles with decades old engines. It should have been done 5 years ago or at least the original version, not the current watered down version.
These dual cab utes with decades old diesel engines are destined for third world countries market. They are sold here because of no NVES, Australia's low emissions standard and because of australian high purchasing power so they can charge a premium price compared to third world countries.
Yeah and cow farts are boiling the ocean 😅
What's wrong with simple, reliable engines? Oh yes! The Chinese wouldn't be able to sell their crap designed to last 5 years ... .
If it going to look like that then I am going to buy ranger
While your there check out the all-new BYD Shark Hybrid at $59,000 😉
I get Toyota’s „don’t fix if not broken” but they sure broke (or didn’t deliver) on Prado so let see which way Hilux goes
What's wrong with the new Prado?
@@ablokecalledbeer The cargo area is a joke, not to mention the engine.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂@@lamborghini0610
@ablokecalledbeer Quite a bit it seems.
@@ablokecalledbeer Everything seeing that it is just the previous model with a useless heavy battery to lug around and has less room in the back and it costs 10 grand more.
Love my Hilux but it is positively antiquated and years overdue for a full refresh.
Atleast this model is 11 years old, which is still new for a toyota. They still selling a 50 year old car at a premium
If Toyota continues with this trend, it will eventually self-destruct, as competitors innovate and release far more appealing vehicles.
Hilux is still the number 1 light ute around the world.
@@matbailey8it's quickly being replaced by ranger wherever the sell the ranger
@@deeptobanerjee24 cope
@@Kashchey1 cope with what? I don't have either. I have a Fortuner (1Gr-Fe); and an Everest 2.3 Ecoboost?
It's already happening on a large scale. I definitely wouldn't buy a hilux newer than 2004.
Good. I wont be envious as much. Love my ranger xl. 🙂
I will seriously be considering a switch to another brand for my work ute when updating in 2027 if this is what toyota think we want from a brand new platform. Essentially the same ute as my 2022 model...hopefully these first impressions are proven to be incorrect.
In all seriousness, IMHO the current Hilux and D-max are a good size … Ranger and new Triton are getting big, but there is no reason why Toyota cannot find a little more space inside the cabin and the tub. They can widen the wheel track slightly to impact stability, without going to Ford Ranger dimensions.
If that’s what Toyota think of their loyal customers then see ya later. Nobody likes to be taken for granted!
All they had to do was rebadge the Tacoma as the Hilux
& put Toyota's 3.3L V6 diesel into it.
You absolutely right I was expecting the same .. this is a big let down. I own 2 hilux’s and was looking forward to 2025
Tacoma is a leisure vehicle with less payload and less towing.
The Tacoma is not designed in Japan. It’s designed in America with American designers Japanese designers. Do not care how the car looks like so they will push out poorly designed vehicles.
A Hilux and a Triton fell in love.
Now we have the TRITOTA.
Ty for explaining a platform. I’d always wondered but never knew who to ask.
If it’s the same platform than what are they testing? Maybe a full hybrid diesel! I doubt it
The new Ranger Super Duty is going to kill the LC70 series and the Hilux as well. Long live the Ranger - Australian ingenuity and design at its best!
Correct 👍
People will stay buy the Hilux. Brand loyalty outweighs the need for innovation.
And last how long?
The saddest bit about it is that if Ford had’ve transitioned to producing Ranger’s locally from 2012, they could have still been manufacturing vehicles here in Australia today.
In May 2013 Ford announced that they would end local production. In 2012 Falcon sold 14,036 vehicles, and Territory sold 14,646 vehicles, totalling 28,682 vehicles. By April 2013 Falcon was on track to sell less than 10,000 units for the year, whilst Territory was up just 4.4%, putting it on track to sell over 1,000 more units than it ultimately ended up selling. Such a production trajectory left Ford looking at producing less than 25,000 units for a year.
Looking back to 2008 - when Ford had its first full year of sales after launching the FG Falcon - and no one was talking about shutting down Ford manufacturing in Australia - we can watch how the sales changed between these key models. (“Falcon” is inclusive of Falcon sedans, wagons, Utes, and FPV models).
2008
* Falcon: 44,536
* Territory: 12,882
* Combined: 56,418
* Ranger: 15,421
* Combined: 71,839
2009
* Falcon: 43,203
* Territory: 10,884
* Combined: 54,087
* Ranger: 14,045
* Combined: 68,132
2010
* Falcon: 38,615
* Territory: 11,558
* Combined: 50,173
* Ranger: 14,709
* Combined: 64,882
2011
* Falcon: 25,555
* Territory: 13,886
* Combined: 39,441
* Ranger: 15,600
* Combined: 55,041
2012
* Falcon: 19,769
* Territory: 14,646
* Combined: 34,415
* Ranger: 18,192
* Combined: 52,607
May 2013 - Australian manufacturing to end announcement
2013
* Falcon: 15,289
* Territory: 14,261
* Combined: 29,550
* Ranger: 21,752
* Combined: 51,302
2014
* Falcon: 9,134
* Territory: 9,828
* Combined: 18,962
* Ranger: 26,619
* Combined: 45,581
2015
* Falcon: 8,592
* Territory: 8,902
* Combined: 17,494
* Ranger: 29,285
* Everest: 1,245
* Combined: 30,530
* Combined: 48,024
2016
* Falcon: 6,604
* Territory: 6,928
* Combined: 13,532
* Ranger: 36,934
* Everest: 3,614
* Combined: 40,548
* Combined: 54,080
2017
* Falcon: 282
* Territory: 1,764
* Combined: 2,046
* Ranger: 42,728
* Everest: 4,607
* Combined: 47,335
* Combined: 49,381
2018
* Ranger: 42,144
* Everest: 5,482
* Combined: 47,626
2019
* Ranger: 40,960
* Everest: 5,333
* Combined: 46,293
2020
* Ranger: 40,973
* Everest: 5,996
* Combined: 46,969
2021
* Ranger: 50,279
* Everest: 8,359
* Combined: 58,638
2022
* Ranger: 47,479
* Everest: 10,314
* Combined: 57,793
2023
* Ranger: 63,356
* Everest: 15,071
* Combined: 78,427
2024
* Ranger: 62,593
* Everest: 26,494
* Combined: 89,187
Given 2012 locally manufactured figures of 34,415 units (or the 2013 Q1 sales results), was enough to sign the death of Ford’s local manufacturing, had Ford started producing the PX1 Ranger locally in 2011, they would have salvaged the 39,441 unit production figure of 2011 up to 52,607 units by the end of 2012, and never seen local production fall below 45,000 units as the transition from Falcon and Territory to Ranger and Everest occurred.
There may have even been enough fat for low volume performance models of the Falcon to remain in production going forward - even if it was only a couple thousand per year.
Cheaper to build them in Thailand on 3rd world wages…🙄
Anyone else think the front side on pic looks like the front of the previous generation Triton?
Welcome to the All New Hilux!!! We have changed the bumpers, lights, a new bonnet, and a slightly large infotainment screen!....All new Hilux! ALL NEW! ALL NEEWWWWWW!
Looks like it’s going to be a Ute based on prado interior and same 48v diesel as standard. And the exterior looks like it will be a Camry exercise with a front and rear touch up.
I disagree with your view on NVES. Many laegacy brands have been increasing the price of their vehicles years before NVES was proposed. Also, many manufacturers have complied in the EU and the US, so all the manufacturers have to do is send more HEVs, PHEVs and BEVs that they already sell in the EU and US markets to Australia.
Also, I would have thought Toyota on average has a pretty good emission average per vehicle so unlikely to impact them. It will be RAM and the like that get stung the hardest as they only produce high emissions vehicles. And don't tell me that RAM owners are struggling....
Nobody wants those cars though
@@nickclarke5089 That's what I was thinking
Good points.
@@anthony-1357 Over the past 2 years, all three New Energy Powertrains: Hybrids, Plug-in Hybrids & Battery Electric vehicles have seen large growth in sales numbers. Meanwhile, Petrol & Diesel vehicles have seen a decline. I would say that many Australians do want these cars and NVES will give us even more options.
Still based on the old hilux, changed the headlamps, crappy multimedia system from Noah’s Ark but now starts at $80k 😂.
So nothing has changed and watch it sell just as well as it always has.
@ Oh I have no doubt you are correct about that.
This is great news … everyone would be hoping Toyota could carryover things like the decade old Corolla infotainment system, uncomfortable seats, arcade 4x4 system, and most importantly, the shrinking payload capacity!
What a relief, this means I might as well just keep my 2014 Hilux
Is there a chance this is a minor update for other markets such as Thailand and south east Asia to continue the current model at a lower price point beneath a more extensive redesign that goes further upmarket?
I do recall reading something about 2 Hiluxs, one for the developing world that retains the same platform etc to keep cost and price down and one for the developed world based on the new platform with new engines etc and likely $10k price increase. Hope that’s the case
That's exactly what I'm hoping for, keep the current generation Hilux around for markets that still want it for the lower costs, but also introduce an all-new generation Hilux based on the TNGA-F platform for the remaining markets. Eventually when the prices come down enough on the new generation Hilux, Toyota could in the future replace the previous gen Hilux's with them.
It’s the same old truck, this is the exact reason I got sick of waiting for an all new Hilux, I ordered a BYD Shark a few weeks back and looking forward to some modern technology and an all new truck.
Why not switch to the TNGA platform?
If im not mistaken. When toyota was testing the current model tundra they were using the previous model cab foe testing so maybe its the same thing here and the final product may have a different cab. We'll wait and see
In UAE hilux have 4.0l v6 engine. I think they have space to keep v6 diesel
They did not even bother to retain that nice 4,0ltr V6 Petrol in the Prado...
No chance they will put it in the Hilux
Will be under-powered as the new Prado, with only very old 4-cylinder engines
🤮
I don't have a problem with NVES - other countries have had it for years so hardly a surprise Australia is finally catching up. Car makers just need to lift their game.
I hope Hilux, Ranger and Prado owners vote Bowen and Labor out of office for their unAustralian policies.
Although the N80 platform is growing long in the tooth, it still holds charm in its styling and I don't really think Toyota needs to change to much externally, however it is a little disappointing to see the same mid section in use,especially with the rear seating being a concern on most dual cabs in terms of space/leg room. Are we looking at a n80 with a front and rear face lift here?.
I think the biggest improvement will be the internal dash layout. If it resembles 250 series inside + the 8 speed auto/48 volt, ad a few eastereggs like Tow haul /MTS/ vented seats....could be onto a winner?!
Let's see if the NVES pushes the Hilux to be expensive, which I don't believe will happen due to the weak NVES target, how many customers will leave Toyota and find an alternative brand.
Will keep playing second fiddle to the Ford Ranger the way they are going
Top 10 selling cars for 2024
Ford Ranger - 62,593
Toyota RAV4 - 58,718
Toyota Hilux - 53,499
Top 10 selling brands for 2024
Toyota - 241,296
Ford - 100,170
Mazda - 95,987
@ you obviously missed the part where I said Ford Ranger
@@jameswilson4712 No I saw that. Maybe in the big scheme of things Toyota are quite happy with their Hilux market share and are not using Ranger sales as their metric to success to the same quantification as you are? It would not at all surprise me that Hilux has a far greater profit margin than Ranger also. For the stupid money both cost one would have rocks in their noggen to get either one.
@@AnyoneSeenMikeHunt just saying, you can’t compare one vechile to all of Toyotas sales, a Rav 4 isn’t even comparable to these 2 utes
@@jameswilson4712 Just saying, Where in my previously overly long winded comment did I mention Rav4?
Quite disappointing to see the Hilux continue on with the outdated IMV platform, can't say I'm surprised though, Toyota is well known for this. I was hoping to see an all-new redesigned Hilux based on the TNGA-F platform that mirrored it's North American twin the Tacoma. Instead of an all-new generation Hilux, it looks like we're just getting another refreshed/face-lifted Hilux. No wonder the Ford Ranger has been our best-selling selling vehicle for the last 10 years straight here in New Zealand.
Ive owned my SR5 Hilux since new in 2011 and i love it!. Im going to hold on to it for as long as poss, as i don't trust any of the new vehicle's.
Me too! 310,000kms ,,,still going strong!One of the best looking of the hilux utes as well IMHO
Current shape Hilux owner - have been patiently waiting to see some sort of insight into the future Hilux model to upgrade to; will probably go the 79 series route after seeing this.
This looks like they might go for a double headlight setup? Those headlights seem very slim, might not be the main lights? The recessed areas under the lights for the main lights?
This is not a new generation. This is just going to be a facelift or a some new variant added to the current line up.
So... they are "testing" the hybrid petrol powertrain in the USA ?
As a Toyota Owner, all I can think of is Nick Frost in Hot Fuzz saying; “he’s f**k ugly” 😂
So over the Hilux unless Toyota drops the price about 20k because it is not worth the money they are asking.
With Tundra now available is OZ there may not be the demand for the high end Hilux any more. The fact that Australian’s pay 75k+ for a Rogue of GR is outrageous, and they shouldn’t be used to tow 3+ tonnes either. They have always been a workhorse and a great one at that and Toyota know they will sell 10’s of thousands of them!
Hate to break it to you Mark but you can't buy a Tundra in Australia.
@@SoWereDoingWhatNow they went on sale in November… selling very poorly.
@@nrx963 Well hush my big fat mouth. 🙄 Looked up a new one and... my wallet ran away.
Seen your raptor on carsales Paul, what you buying instead?
I for one am glad they kept the current platform, moving up to the tundra/tacoma/lc300 platform would’ve made it far too big imo
Shame they haven’t done much else in terms of updates however
So new bumper, grill and headlights. That’ll be $100k please
Toyota will absolutely jack the prices up, because the Australian market is simply too loyal.
Or dopey. I live in the bush and I'm going with dopey.
Dopey is the word in the bush that is for sure but there is also the issue of the lazy local mechanics not wanting a bar of servicing or repairing anything but Toyotas. This "network' ensures constant Toyota loyalty ,this was my experience living even 4 hrs out of Sydney.
BUGGA! I was expecting a lot more from the release … 😢
Leaf spring suspension: invented in medieval times (look it up) and patented in 1802. Sounds exciting. 🤨
wow, looks like every other Hilux from the last 20 years.
The front on the new hilux is similar to the mitsubishi triton (strada)
Toyota continues with the same old same old, just change a few cosmetic differences. I bet the price will go up considerably.
And they're alone in that?
The Toyota fan club will still buy 😂😂😂
Was hoping they’d bring the Tacoma over to AUS/NZ
Yeah, I think the Tacoma could do well in the NZ & AU markets.
Basically a major face lift, not a new version
@@grjh58 Yup, pretty much a major refresh/face-lift. This time around the face-lift looks to include reshaped front fenders, hood, & headlights as well. The rear cargo tray/tub looks like it'll be re-skinned to match the newer front end design.
Nah bro is tired of 2025
That frame is yes old, but strong, less curves equals strength in structural steel perhaps. It’s a truck not a car. Toyota owns and makes Hino trucks don’t forget Hino developed and built the first few series. I love to see what a test of the frames of modern Utes from a structural engineer would reveal. Just hope they give it the Prada styling internally that would be ideal. A tough work horse with a comfy interior.
I feel there was nothing wrong with the exterior of the Toyota hilux it just needs updates in the interior, a bigger mor powerful engine like a V6 for the GR variate
BYD is holding their beer.
* holding their cooked dog
Crap and you watch they'll expect another 5 to $10,000 on top for a new headlights and s***
And you just watch it sell like hotcakes just like it always has.
Boring meant nothing until you really know
I'm not seeing the point of upgrading the model if there are no changes? Without a Hybrid solution products like the BYD Ute will take market share I'm seeing an increased loss of market share IMO. You are far better off buying the current model at an outgoing discount.
Nothing new here,thought they would do something about length and cabin size.Just a buzz for nothing really sad
I can see the Toyota Marketing launch now. New Toyota Hilux - More than Adequate
Im from SA and tbh Toyota doesn't take us seriously and I'm a fan i have a old legend 35 and a lengend 50 but with the way things are going I might be switching to Ford or Isuzu as I have been wanting to buy a new bakkie but I wanted to wait for a new hilux but seemingly I might have wasted my time
Why fix something thats not broke?...kaizen is their motto...continuous improvement...take that which ever way you want...
I was really expecting the Tacoma looker to be the Hilux since the world is really becoming one. Look at the Ranger, it wasn't available for the US market but now it is and is competing against the Tacoma. I was expecting like wise that Toyota to distribute the Tacoma to the world but still, they don't get it.
Toyota is on path from market leaders to self destruct
So just to clarify..is this a new old car or an old new car?
4:25... Pretty dated and cramped.
As someone who uses one every day at a mine site, but who owns a D23 Navara, there's a ton more room in the Navara.
That’s a nice Trilux
Oh! Look a new Canon, no JAC, no wait a LDV, wait, Isuzu, sorry Triton. It's a Tasman.
Thanks Paul
People wake up and buy older used cars. Stuff these new pieces of C
Wonder why they couldn't replicate the NA Tacoma platform over to the overseas market and just throw the turbo diesel into it? If it's all on the TNGF platform it should be cost effective
Expected. Nice Triton
What is the same alternative,you have Ranger and Hilux as your mainstream Ute then the Izuzu, Nissan and Mitsubishi which will be /are the same , surely the other offerings will be taken with a grain of salt ?
What does an Australian Ute buyer look for ,esp the fleet buyers ?
The platform is relatively basic and serviceable by most outback garages ,add complications to that scenario and there might be turmoil.
I would also think that the Built in Maylasia is a big factor .
Toyota designers: stuff these guys, change the lights, stick a larger infotainment system, jack the price up, buy or don’t buy we don’t care.
BE HAPPY! You don’t want them to ruin the HiLux like they did with the Tacoma, 4Runner and Tundra here in the USA!
What about the ‘Fortuner’???????
The Hilux will be on the same platform but the Fortuner will be all new...said somewhere in the article
But I hope we'll see the better results ..but if not then I'll be speechless
What about it?