Thank god i wasnt the only one who had to go fact check that lol. after he said 228 my jaw dropped like "what could be over 100k different from a 4 to a 4s" haha
It's Jack! You get to be my brother now since my brother Jack passed. Do you know if it is a tint, anti-glare coating, or something else that makes the windshield on this car and other luxury cars look purple?
@@jackholmes8105 It's all good brother. He was a good man that went way sooner than he should have. Thanks for the clarification on the windshield. Did you notice when Zack said, "Thanks, Mark!" in the Vantage video? 🤣
As someone who regularly drives in Germany: the bit from 190-250 looked incredibly slow and strained. I'm guessing the ICE engine is not supported by the E-Motor anymore and at that point it's just a 350hp car, having to pull 4500lbs+. While this is a niche application, it also means that you'll be tailgated by Mercedes and BMW Diesels, which is kind of annoying...
I thought it pulled like a Golf GTI / R, the impressive part is not the accelaration but the NVH. You could still have normal conversations at 250km/h without raising your voice, that is nuts.
@@neofaktion if your desire to buy (or not buy) this car is solely based on PAR then I don’t think we’ll see eye-to-eye :) I personally prefer the more ‘grounded’ feel of the drive without such smooth buffering. PAR is an amazing engineering feat regardless (and I almost bought it for sheer parlor tricks) but it’s not my personal preference for drive style and therefore not worth the extra potential maintenance complication/cost
you Americans are so spoiled its unreal , not only do you have higher income per capita you also cry about marginally lower car prices than almost anywhere in the world.
That little opening at the front bumper kinda itches my eye, to be fair, but yeah, the Panamera does look beautiful. Finally Porsche made the "4 door 911" look nice. I'm hyped for the Wagon now.
So the Cayenne's lead in the luxury SUV market will widen with this suspension. I'm not sure the Purosangue competes as an SUV, tbh. It's in another catagory.
Performance levels may be near that of the M5 or E63 but the fit, finish, and refinement of Porsche isn't even on the same horizon of the BMW or Mercs; it'll always be top in my opinion
Panameras have always been stellar cars, from power to comfort. I remember how everyone would shit on it because it "looked weird" or how you "can't make a 4 door saloon a sports car". With looks being subjective - I have always loved the look and feel of these cars. It's maybe the best sports like car you can drive daily without much worry or trade offs.
People who have "hated" the first Panamera version from 2009 are just DUMB and having not fu...ing clue! The Panamera is a perfect 4 door Porsche. It just works and it looks like a daily usable four door/four seater Porsche. Some id...iots always expected the Panamera being kind of a "big 911", but have always forgotten that this isn't possible. Because four people must have enough interior space in such a vehicle.
I can only imagine the maintenance on this thing if you actually drive it, probably $5-600 a month average in 5 years. I don't see how even a doctor could afford to commute in it, not counting the unexpected surprises.
@@chriselliott8567 I myself have been doing preliminary research on these cars to make sure I'm in a great spot to buy one. I drive around 20k miles a year which is what I based it on, nothing wild for a commute and am not a believer in 10k mile service intervals along with my driving style. A standard oil service on this car is over $300 at my local dealer, they need a major service at 40k which is usually in the 2k ballpark if it's a V8 even more. The wheels are staggered so it will burn through back tires every year at the 20k-25k miles a year, and a full set the N spec Michelin AS are over $2k for a full set plus mount and balance and alignment here and there along with the uncharge if you have the drivers assist means an alignment is very close to a grand on it. So yeah for basic maintenance it's around there or more, not including the multi thousand dollar brakes between 40k-80k miles. In my experience dealer cost vary area to area also, German cars have become very expensive to not only buy but also maintain especially due to the expanding use of staggered wheels and weird tire sizes limiting tire options.
@@G82Watts doesn't get rid of the awful sea of piano black on the center console, unfortunately. Would be nice if they gave you that choice - maybe through the "Special Wishes" program??
@@G82Watts it's not that big of a deal, but it is annoying at the price point. I have something similar in my Lexus right now, and you always feel like you're going to scratch it, even just wiping dust off of it. Porsche has some great material options - they could do better here.
The 2.9 V-6 is so incredibly bland that my favorite part of driving the 4S e-hybrid is the EV mode at which point just get the Taycan. I’m genuinely surprised Porsche hasn’t killed the Panamera yet since Taycan ate up all of its sales in Europe.
what are you even talking about ? how can a remarkable suspension be overkill ? that's like complaining about having too much money what are you even on about there's no such thing as too much of a good thing
If you have the means to purchase one of these new, service costs are of little consequence. That said, I have to wonder what kind of financial and mechanical nightmare these will be in 5-10 years!
@@StevenLastname probably not dissimilar to air suspension. Lifespan of 60,000 miles and a 5 figure repair cost if you don't address leaks immediately.
This sounds like it will be super reliable and easy to maintain. I should have looked into this as my new family car instead of the Subaru I just purchased. And the price is aimed right at me at only 160k. Do you think Porsche will give me a $50 Visa card if i schedule a test drive?
@@LARSENBISQUITS Yep... Owned 3 so far, not a single major issue. And if i did have a major issue... it probably would cost what a 12 month service costs on this thing. I am not saying its not an amazing technology demonstrator... but this Porsche is for 3 year "business" leases... not long term ownership. And Panamaras depreciate like a stone.
Very "important".... Wow! Just go to the doctor, dude! The Panamera dashboard is simply a piece of art, it's pure and simple "straight".... and it's PERFECT!
Why is Porsche Active Ride only available on the V6 hybrids? Mercedes was arming fully active Ai driven ABC suspensions on many models across 2 decades.
Man, Jack dropping the hammer in the Panamera and hitting like 250 KPH with it all being legal is why I HAVE to visit Germany at least once in my life, along with the Nurburgring.
While Germany has nice places to visit, if it's about hammering a car and speeding, going on a track day is less costly and more safe. Do both if you can!
@@_Makanko_ True, but for me it's as much about the (to us Americans) mythical locations as the driving experiences themselves. Call it a "ticking-off the bucket list"' kinda thing. But track days are definitely something I want to do as well.
Speed limit in my neck of the woods is 100 km/h - in some cases it is 110 km/h. Yes I will buy it. If it can travel at these astronomical speeds and I only use some of its power it should last 74.9 years.
The active suspension is almost the same price of another base model Panemera 4? that is why the price from base to 4s that high I am more scared for the maintenance cost for that kind of suspension.
@@savagegeese yesss! Love from a 2023 Elantra N 6mt owner! I was hesitating around EN and GRC circuit edition as my first manual car after driving 1 year of 6at gr86 (not fl5 because the markup makes it out of reach). And I soon make my decision after that 1hr comparison video. So far I believe I made a right choice. Really appreciate that🙌
Get over yourself.. Not knowing why doesn’t justify the tone. One guess - could be operating the drones or outside camera work while Jack’s driving. Or vice versa
The suspension is very similar to Citroens of old. From DS to the last C5 they used a hydropneumatic setup. It had similar functions, like raising itself for easy access, exquisite ride comfort etc
When I was younger, I loved the Panamera. Still kind of do. But as I get older, I'm failing to see the point of this vehicle. As a sedan, it's got garbage interior space. As a sports car, it's nowhere near as nimble or good at handling. It's just a compromised vehicle all-around. And it's stupid expensive, and will depreciate like a bomb. I guess you really do have to be super rich or not give a shit to drop huge money on something like this.
This is not the "Future of Suspension", Audi S8 and S-class (Magic Body Control) are offering exactly the same suspension system for years (maybe more than a decade now).
So unfair how Mark leaves all the hard work to Jack. Can you imagine the sacrifice of driving Porsches on the German autobahns, while being wined and dined by the manufacturer? So unfair! Time to launch Savage Goose, Jack!!
Apparently this car is still in production, having sold a whopping 4k units in the US last year. Who's buying an elongated 911 lookalike when they could spend $20k more on a crossover/SUV that does the same things but worse?
The Porsche 4s e hybrid starts at 126,800 i have no idea where 228 came from nor do i know how we didnt catch that 😂
Thank god i wasnt the only one who had to go fact check that lol. after he said 228 my jaw dropped like "what could be over 100k different from a 4 to a 4s" haha
It's Jack! You get to be my brother now since my brother Jack passed. Do you know if it is a tint, anti-glare coating, or something else that makes the windshield on this car and other luxury cars look purple?
@@wccrispy my condolences. Its due to a combo of factors. Our polarization on the lens we are shooting on, and the tint + uv coating on the cars glass
@@jackholmes8105 It's all good brother. He was a good man that went way sooner than he should have. Thanks for the clarification on the windshield. Did you notice when Zack said, "Thanks, Mark!" in the Vantage video? 🤣
@@wccrispy yeah, it was a joke from our old nismo z video
Your son looks terrified.
😂
He’s thinking this is his version of the titan submersible
His long-winded color commentary reminded me of the color guy in the booth with Uecker during the movie Major League 🤣🤣🤣
That actually his son?
@@Kenadian2006It’s his wife’s boyfriend’s son but he raised him as his own
That was the smoothest 252 ive ever seen. Wow!
As someone who regularly drives in Germany: the bit from 190-250 looked incredibly slow and strained. I'm guessing the ICE engine is not supported by the E-Motor anymore and at that point it's just a 350hp car, having to pull 4500lbs+. While this is a niche application, it also means that you'll be tailgated by Mercedes and BMW Diesels, which is kind of annoying...
Don't forget Audi S7s... they seem to always sneak up on me when I have to cross country my Wife's Ford S-Max when on Urlaub...
I thought it pulled like a Golf GTI / R, the impressive part is not the accelaration but the NVH. You could still have normal conversations at 250km/h without raising your voice, that is nuts.
@@robertvandeveer1846 yeah, even a A6/A7 50TDI will probably keep up with this...
@@2failepic yeah any 280-300hp hot hatch will probably keep up with it.
There will always be someone faster. Getting tailgated shouldn't be your problem ;)
It’s surreal how it looks like the world around you is being faked because the interior looks so stable at speed
Thats Porsche
Somebody get my boy Mark out of the dungeon. Jack got him locked up I swear
Even the camera shows just how smooth the ride is at speed
more like how smooth the roads are.
@@misternordberg3675Both.
The out of warranty repairs on this car are going to be revolutionary as well.
Yeah I estimate that the part cost for those shocks is probably 2k a corner.
This is why I opted for no PAR in my build.
@@chriselliott8567 Congrats on missing the entire point of the car
@@chriselliott8567Why even buy it at that point?
@@neofaktion if your desire to buy (or not buy) this car is solely based on PAR then I don’t think we’ll see eye-to-eye :) I personally prefer the more ‘grounded’ feel of the drive without such smooth buffering. PAR is an amazing engineering feat regardless (and I almost bought it for sheer parlor tricks) but it’s not my personal preference for drive style and therefore not worth the extra potential maintenance complication/cost
Before i bought my boxster i had no idea panameras started so high. I thought the base was a $70k car. Sh*ts start at $102k here in the states
you Americans are so spoiled its unreal , not only do you have higher income per capita you also cry about marginally lower car prices than almost anywhere in the world.
That little opening at the front bumper kinda itches my eye, to be fair, but yeah, the Panamera does look beautiful. Finally Porsche made the "4 door 911" look nice.
I'm hyped for the Wagon now.
Wagon was cancelled for North America to my knowledge sadly.
@@m1l3s27cancelled globally.
They said the wagon will not be existed, unfortunately.
When this suspension concept is offered for the Cayenne, it’s gonna be the best SUV money can buy.
The next gen turbo gt is gonna go crazy
So the Cayenne's lead in the luxury SUV market will widen with this suspension. I'm not sure the Purosangue competes as an SUV, tbh. It's in another catagory.
I mean, if you're stuck having to drive an SUV, it would be nice to have one with good handling that's for sure.
Performance levels may be near that of the M5 or E63 but the fit, finish, and refinement of Porsche isn't even on the same horizon of the BMW or Mercs; it'll always be top in my opinion
Aint even an opinion porsche has always been a tier above bmw audi and merc
Yet still worse than Lexus
@@V8Brah when that guy no cares about gives an opinion 😂
@@G82Watts still kinda right though.
@@V8Brah in a porche/bmw/merc conversation
lmao
Ah yes, just what's needed for driving on US 65 mph limit highways in heavy traffic!
Even on less busy highways, the older buyers are always just gliding in the middle lane doing 60mph.
Move to Florida and I promise you when doing 75 you’ll be the slowest on the road by far 😂
Panameras have always been stellar cars, from power to comfort. I remember how everyone would shit on it because it "looked weird" or how you "can't make a 4 door saloon a sports car". With looks being subjective - I have always loved the look and feel of these cars. It's maybe the best sports like car you can drive daily without much worry or trade offs.
People who have "hated" the first Panamera version from 2009 are just DUMB and having not fu...ing clue! The Panamera is a perfect 4 door Porsche. It just works and it looks like a daily usable four door/four seater Porsche.
Some id...iots always expected the Panamera being kind of a "big 911", but have always forgotten that this isn't possible. Because four people must have enough interior space in such a vehicle.
It was a bit surprising for the first vehicle on the Autobahn to be a pickup truck.
10 piston calipers?!!!! 🤯
Absolutely love your channel and videos, no time wasting and all info!
The advancement in suspension tech is impressive,
but my god this just seems like the most disposable product out of warranty...
Thats probably ideal for Porsche. You want continuous customers and how better to than needing a lifeline to keep your car capable
Porsche isn't a Toyota
Durability doesnt sell
@@junyaiwase except for Toyota, the largest car company in the world. oops
Porsche has 15 years of warranty
who saw that Elantra N in the background at the end?😀 hopefully another vid on a sporty car that is actually affordable... HELL YES!!
I can only imagine the maintenance on this thing if you actually drive it, probably $5-600 a month average in 5 years. I don't see how even a doctor could afford to commute in it, not counting the unexpected surprises.
Where do you get the $500-600/mo figure?
@@chriselliott8567 I myself have been doing preliminary research on these cars to make sure I'm in a great spot to buy one. I drive around 20k miles a year which is what I based it on, nothing wild for a commute and am not a believer in 10k mile service intervals along with my driving style. A standard oil service on this car is over $300 at my local dealer, they need a major service at 40k which is usually in the 2k ballpark if it's a V8 even more. The wheels are staggered so it will burn through back tires every year at the 20k-25k miles a year, and a full set the N spec Michelin AS are over $2k for a full set plus mount and balance and alignment here and there along with the uncharge if you have the drivers assist means an alignment is very close to a grand on it. So yeah for basic maintenance it's around there or more, not including the multi thousand dollar brakes between 40k-80k miles. In my experience dealer cost vary area to area also, German cars have become very expensive to not only buy but also maintain especially due to the expanding use of staggered wheels and weird tire sizes limiting tire options.
@@chriselliott8567 Out of his ass
That suspension raise was shocking. Reminds me of Ford GT's hydraulically activated track mode.
Piano trash plastic has no place in a vehicle this expensive
Then option the carbon fiber trim brokey
@@G82Watts 🤣🤣🤣
@@G82Watts doesn't get rid of the awful sea of piano black on the center console, unfortunately. Would be nice if they gave you that choice - maybe through the "Special Wishes" program??
@@aprtur oh no piana black on my center console.. what am I going to do 😢
@@G82Watts it's not that big of a deal, but it is annoying at the price point. I have something similar in my Lexus right now, and you always feel like you're going to scratch it, even just wiping dust off of it. Porsche has some great material options - they could do better here.
The 2.9 V-6 is so incredibly bland that my favorite part of driving the 4S e-hybrid is the EV mode at which point just get the Taycan. I’m genuinely surprised Porsche hasn’t killed the Panamera yet since Taycan ate up all of its sales in Europe.
That suspension, while remarkable, strikes me as incredibly overkill. Then there's the matter of serviceability...
I'd have it in a second. I can only imagine the ride quality. Besides, it's no more overkill than a V12 and people love big Lambos and Ferraris
what are you even talking about ? how can a remarkable suspension be overkill ? that's like complaining about having too much money what are you even on about there's no such thing as too much of a good thing
If you have the means to purchase one of these new, service costs are of little consequence.
That said, I have to wonder what kind of financial and mechanical nightmare these will be in 5-10 years!
@@StevenLastname probably not dissimilar to air suspension. Lifespan of 60,000 miles and a 5 figure repair cost if you don't address leaks immediately.
I have a 2023 Panamera, when it’s time for a new one, I can’t wait for that suspension option
The butler of my cleaning woman has 2 of those. He said he likes them.
My maid’s brother in law’s son has 2 gt4’s he said he likes the gt3 more
This sounds like it will be super reliable and easy to maintain. I should have looked into this as my new family car instead of the Subaru I just purchased. And the price is aimed right at me at only 160k. Do you think Porsche will give me a $50 Visa card if i schedule a test drive?
You are high if you think your Subaru is reliable.
@@LARSENBISQUITS Yep... Owned 3 so far, not a single major issue. And if i did have a major issue... it probably would cost what a 12 month service costs on this thing. I am not saying its not an amazing technology demonstrator... but this Porsche is for 3 year "business" leases... not long term ownership. And Panamaras depreciate like a stone.
The screen on the dash that is not centered with the console blows my OCD up.
Very "important".... Wow! Just go to the doctor, dude! The Panamera dashboard is simply a piece of art, it's pure and simple "straight".... and it's PERFECT!
The Porsche Panamera: "Hey, it's not as ugly now!"
Well, the 2nd generation looks great as well. 1st was a complete shit though))
The 2023 panamera looked great. Idk what ur talking about.
This looks much uglier tbh
What the FUCK do you mean "its not ugly anymore"?!?!?!
Its ugly NOW
THIS LOOKS FUCKING ATROCIOUS COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS GENERATION
This car looks much worse than the previous gen
Love the background music btw.
For once you didn't have to blur out the speedo!
The Passions... such a hidden gem of a 80s band. I only know about them because of my older Brother
Whats the buyer profile for this car?
Rich
I can't wait for you guys to get it back in the USA for a proper long review. 😊
Im sure its a very nice car over all, but for me it seems slower and more expensive than it was 5 years ago..
Maaaaa! Savage Geese dropped a new one!
*A Used car buyers dream* 🔥🤩🔥
People moving out of the freaking way… so beautiful.
Would you say the regular 4 E-Hybrid has enough power to put a smile on your face or does one need to go to 4S E-Hybrid?
Pretty disappointed in this review, no rough testing for suspension, just random autobahn, OK....
Prius 8” ground clearance
Mark!!! Where are you?
More like No’Hare
Shaved!
Why is Porsche Active Ride only available on the V6 hybrids? Mercedes was arming fully active Ai driven ABC suspensions on many models across 2 decades.
Because it's designed to use the hybrid battery pack.
@@RahulShah87 Most active hydraulic suspensions don't require a heavy battery pack. Therefore they can utilize bigger engines.
Man, Jack dropping the hammer in the Panamera and hitting like 250 KPH with it all being legal is why I HAVE to visit Germany at least once in my life, along with the Nurburgring.
While Germany has nice places to visit, if it's about hammering a car and speeding, going on a track day is less costly and more safe.
Do both if you can!
@@_Makanko_ True, but for me it's as much about the (to us Americans) mythical locations as the driving experiences themselves. Call it a "ticking-off the bucket list"' kinda thing. But track days are definitely something I want to do as well.
But how smooth does it handle on L.A.'s worst roads?
O' Hare is a nightmare lol I'm glad it's a universal experience
Dang yo..........what did you guys do with the music sound level...........sounds crazy.
The future of disposable oligarch rewards
What song starts at 4:50? SG always chooses such great synth excerpts in their videos
Shoutout to you guys for goin the extra Mille savagegeese👊🏾
😢 I want Mark 😢
The geese are savages in the Panamera!
Speed limit in my neck of the woods is 100 km/h - in some cases it is 110 km/h. Yes I will buy it. If it can travel at these astronomical speeds and I only use some of its power it should last 74.9 years.
The active suspension is almost the same price of another base model Panemera 4? that is why the price from base to 4s that high I am more scared for the maintenance cost for that kind of suspension.
So bumpy roads' gonna keep active suspension busy and drain battery faster?
We have a Cayenne Coupe now, which is extremely comfortable. But this new Panamera (even in base form) speaks to me as a family (dogs) sedan.
Didn't think it would be Porsche of all companies copying the second gen Hyundai Tiburon design.
You are not buying this car for cargo space
5:13 appropriate song choice
Is there a Autobahn country club in Germany?
Best 50k car in 5/6 years?
Piano Black Jack making a killing off the sales of this car.
That car under acceleration sounds exactly like the car in the game Hard Drivin'. Look it up.
I saw the blue ELANTRA N in the background at the end of the video! Will there be a video soon for the 2024 facelift?
Yes
@@savagegeese yesss! Love from a 2023 Elantra N 6mt owner! I was hesitating around EN and GRC circuit edition as my first manual car after driving 1 year of 6at gr86 (not fl5 because the markup makes it out of reach). And I soon make my decision after that 1hr comparison video. So far I believe I made a right choice. Really appreciate that🙌
What on earth does Chris contribute to these videos that justifies flying him to Europe?
Get over yourself.. Not knowing why doesn’t justify the tone. One guess - could be operating the drones or outside camera work while Jack’s driving. Or vice versa
@jackholmes8105 any info you can share about the upcoming 911 Hybrid or Cayman EV? Or when those press blockades will lift?
Topgun #1 🥇
The passenger pooped his pants. 💩
Nothing says premium and luxury more than a reflection of the sky on the central pannel 🤣
10 piston brakes are crazy. I thought my Supra’s 6 pots were big.
Awesome Panamera. I love this car!
There truly is no substitute for porsche!
So I have to buy this so I can get a 911 allocation?
No?
@@JTM610 its a joke because thats how it works for some cars
@@ouch9326 i dont think its a joke bc you need to be a known Porsche customer to get a gt4rs for example. Its not mandatory for a regular 911 though
@JTM610 depends who you ask. You can get most sports cars assuming you pay ADM even as a first-timer.
@@JTM610 both can be true
Well no longer my attainable dream car... it is not a wagon
Wonder if active ride will make its way into the next 911.
Please allow Mark to be in the videos, thanks Jack.
Love me all this Porsche (poor-scha) prestige.
Tesla needs this kind of suspension
So rs7 or rs6 money
Bro wasnt ready for that acceleration. Stone face the entire time . 🤣
Holy its fast
Nobody does it like the Germans. What a machine.
Its just a bummer they killed the sport turismo, one of these in sport turismo guise would be pretty much my ideal daily driver.
The suspension is very similar to Citroens of old. From DS to the last C5 they used a hydropneumatic setup. It had similar functions, like raising itself for easy access, exquisite ride comfort etc
When I was younger, I loved the Panamera. Still kind of do. But as I get older, I'm failing to see the point of this vehicle. As a sedan, it's got garbage interior space. As a sports car, it's nowhere near as nimble or good at handling. It's just a compromised vehicle all-around. And it's stupid expensive, and will depreciate like a bomb. I guess you really do have to be super rich or not give a shit to drop huge money on something like this.
I’m getting older too - still see the point
This kind of stuff scares me for long-term reliability...
4 and 4S are mechanically identical:
The fact that one is $110,000 more expensive than the other is what makes depreciation a real-thing.
He misspoke
Why does it have a moustache
Looks more macho that way.
This is not the "Future of Suspension", Audi S8 and S-class (Magic Body Control) are offering exactly the same suspension system for years (maybe more than a decade now).
Who do you think develops most of Audis technology?
Yeah... Seems a bit different than my '83 944...
You can NOT set a specific speed based goal in daily daytime trafic. Totally irresponsible.
That suspension sounds amazing until you have to service it down the line and it costs more than I make in a year.
Just need 4 extra jobs
Sounds like they got the suspension from the Audi S8.
Front hood looks like Ferrari
So unfair how Mark leaves all the hard work to Jack. Can you imagine the sacrifice of driving Porsches on the German autobahns, while being wined and dined by the manufacturer? So unfair! Time to launch Savage Goose, Jack!!
I wish they had a better steering wheel with less cheap plastic.
Current Panamera rides like shit for the price. I can't believe this will be that much better. Engine is loud as hell. Who wants these things?
We’d like you all to meet Mark’s son-in-law!
Apparently this car is still in production, having sold a whopping 4k units in the US last year. Who's buying an elongated 911 lookalike when they could spend $20k more on a crossover/SUV that does the same things but worse?
Is that the new Elantra N behind Jack during the final thoughts? 🧐
Just wait 4 years and they'll be half price