"...the highest calling of patriotism, which is to see the ways in which your country is failing, to see the hypocrisy of your country, to see the way your country is not living up to it's highest ideals, but still believing that your country can become the thing that we all dream it to be."
When I was in junior highschool, 1963, I asked about the contributions of people of color and native Americans to the history of America. I was ridiculed and bullied....by my history teacher. I grew up in an all "white" city in the Midwest. I was taught to fear anyone not "white" like me. It didn't work. Just made me more curious about people "not like me". Ignorant adults!
"The question is not whether we can afford to invest in every child; it is whether we can afford not to." ~ Marian Wright Edelman, American lawyer, activist, writer, and founder of the Children's Defense Fund
"All of us must recognize that education and innovation will be the currency of the twenty-first century." ~ Barack Obama, American lawyer, writer, politician, activist, and humanitarian who served as the 44th President of the United States 🇺🇸
@@martytrueblood5902 No I mean you were literally incomprehensible. Genuinely thought you might have had a stroke because if you decided to type and submit that comment while completely sober then there is no hope for you. I am either going to be worried for your physical health (stroke) or mental health (sanity) so pick which it is.
"The whole world 🌎 opened to me when I learned to read." ~ Mary McLeod Bethune (1875-1955), American educator, stateswoman, philanthropist, humanitarian, and activist
"When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you are only telling the world that you fear what he might say" George R.R. Martin (edited because of autocorrect)
Absolutely brilliant! Wish I'd learned about this sooner in school but glad to be educated about it now. Love that Stephen Colbert is having important guests like this on the show. ❤️👍🤘🙏
"Empower yourselves with a good education, then get out there and use that education to build a country worthy of your boundless promise." ~ Michelle Obama, American lawyer, writer, activist, and humanitarian who served as the First Lady of the United States of America 🇺🇸
My husband was raised in a racist family, who were die hard Republicans. During the Obama presidency, he became completely became enamored with Michelle Obama. He greatly admired her strength, intelligence, and grace as First Lady.
Good idea, but I'd like to know how many black kids couldn't afford to get that education because her husband promoted bankers' interests over those of black people trapped in subprime mortgages. The Obamas were a lot of hat but no cattle.
I don't know if you copy-and-pasted this or if you wrote it, but it's cool that "First Lady" wasn't the first thing listed in Ms. Obama's accomplishments here.
As a history major, I hold it in the highest regards. History is not meant to make a person feel good or bad, it is a tool to inform you of what has taken place before and to learn from it. Those that choose to ignore, deny, or edit the truth of history are doomed to repeat its tragedies.
@@karankapoor2701 Yes, do educate us, please - exactly when, where, and how did this "debunking" take place? You see, some of us value actual facts over bullshit.
Thankyou for bringing this very educated queen on! Love this woman! Get her book & read it! It's so good! I plan on reading again! 18 non-fictional essays 17 scholars 36 poems and/or works of fiction! Many historians took part in this wonderful work! You will benefit from reading this book!
@JEric P., I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight. The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men. One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US. To show that history has a wildly complex irony; Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
@StumblingThroughItAll oversight? Be careful who you "stumble across". Everybody has a narrative of history. Just because you read something with a different narrative and you personally agree with it more doesn't make it more true than the folks who may have a more accurate representation of history like 1619 which many historians took part in.
@Hugo Aguirre, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight. The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men. One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US. To show that history has a wildly complex irony; Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
if ignorance is bliss, then I'd rather be uncomfortably aware; thank you Nicole Hannah Jones, can't wait to read your vital book; and we all know how when a book gets banned, it only goes viral and sold out ✨🙏
@@Anuchan Why restrict when we recommend and explain the basis of the recommendation? Let people have a free enlightened choice for their children. I was a gifted child, and I hated fairy tales and most "children" books. There are other kids like this out there.
@@karankapoor2701 you are more than welcome to do so with your kids, since those are your words not mine. I said no book banning and instead provide age recommendation and let the parents decide. If kamasutra is what you decide for your kids, you will face the consequence of any laws you might break. Banning books because people like you are afraid to make a mistake or thar other would be tempted is beyond me. Adults take accountability for there choices. If we can't we are maybe big babies needing a censure system acting like mommy and daddy.
She brought up the point about book banning that I always do -- as a college librarian myself -- which is that 99/100 times, the people who want to challenge/ban/remove a book have NOT read it themselves. And that's NOT to suggest that actually reading the book, taking it in, understanding the themes involved will in any way change their thinking about it -- they're often just too ignorant to try to learn something rather than get militant and destructive about it.
What those same folks don't know is that kids nowadays have access to VPNs and shadow libraries online where they can find the banned books if they know about them. I would've been the kid to distribute banned books to all my friends if we'd have had the tech back then. Surely, there are kids like that now.
Recognizing oppressive behavior is very important to teach. I have no eloquence but I hold to my heart that reducing anyone to "lesser" is absolute bullshit.
We’ve got to vote Democrat candidates in, all the way down the ballot if we want to keep a fascist government from taking over. They’re currently focused on anti semetic rhetoric, but black, brown and LGBTQ+ people will quickly see their rights disappear under that rule. For starters. Vote blue!
@@karankapoor2701 She literally has not. The consensus of respected historians is on her side. Maybe if you stopped listening to rightwing extremists, you might learn something.
We need more people like her shining the light on what and how America has fault for this nation to be the leaders in our democracy! She is totally right our freedom’s are being taken even when the right- wing bans books!
I had no idea about the year 1619. Thanks for teaching me something new. I am British and even though it’s hard to hear about the past and the horrid British/American people that enslaved those and created slavery like this. I never get Thai banning books thing! Either you wanna read it or not don’t stop a whole state being able to read it!
In fact, the earliest form of slavery were the white European indentured servants living in the colonies established by the folks who had fled England.
@@eponymousIme She pointed out the significant differences in indentured slavery vs. race-based slavery. Not sure how you could miss that in the conversation, unless you didn't watch or listen to it.
Book burners would probably like to take us all back to 1619 when you could burn a book and virtually erase it forever...along with possibly burning/hanging the author. There's a part of me that'd like to ship them all off to Mars to settle so they could burn books to stay warm, but I fear they'd then get their act together and try to come back and conquer Earth with their space rayguns and Mars-rifles.
My sister purchased the book for me last year. It wasnt an easy read for me, I will admit, but it is a vital piece of American literature. It's a one stop shop if you will for information pertaining to slavery and how it evolved into systemic racism to the Civil rights movement to present day. It's told from a point of facts and not opinion. A must read.
I'm not sure there can be an unbiased book on such a highly-charged subject, since deciding which facts to include and which facts to omit can't help but slant the contents in a given direction. That is exactly why we need to read multiple books on subjects like these, with a range of perspectives from a variety of authors. One-stop-shopping is how we too often get narrow opinions perpetuating themselves. That being said, given how informed and articulate this author presents, I wager "The 1619 Project" is one of the top three publications that should be required reading for anyone wanting to be fully knowledgeable of these historical events, and probably an excellent place to start.
@@kayecastleman6353 Those that claim to be unbias are complying with and confirming truths that are inconvenient or horrific to keep whatever systemic racism/ sexism/ classism serves its 1%. Gerald Horne and DuBois are bright lights in exposing past and present injustices. Gerald Horne interview ruclips.net/video/aYwTDuwH2UU/видео.html On DuBois ruclips.net/video/rYQa9EnG8Ck/видео.html
@GoldSag, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight. The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men. One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US. To show that history has a wildly complex irony; Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
How can the land of the free and the home of the brave be banning books? Where is the freedom to examine your history? Where is the bravery to face it? Every decent person knows what is like to say sorry to someone you have hurt. The weight that is lifted - the sense of new beginnings. Just get on with it. The world is a better place when the U.S is strong and united.
Exactly. Over and over again our country has been offered the chance to acknowledge the past and move forward more equitably. It saddens me greatly that women like Hannah-Jones are more willing to forgive than conservatives are willing to be forgiven.
As important and moving as this interview is, the fact that a picture of her dad got on an important popular national talk show today brought me to tears. As a clear representative of the most underrated Americans in history, this gentleman post humosly needs to receive the metal of freedom award.
Can I recommend something that I found to be very rewarding? There are recordings available online that were done about 100 years ago with sharecroppers, servants, etc. It is amazing to hear them speak in their own voices. There is also a small selection of autobiographies. Marvelous!
Well, imagine that - I learned something new today and I'm 71. The White Lion, huh? Another item to add to my stack of things I need to learn more about before I jump to my next adventure. It never ceases to amaze me how much information about this country is out there that so few of us know bout and so many do not want to know or want any of us to know. Mind-boggling. Education matters.
@Roxanna Weaver, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight. The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men. One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US. To show that history has a wildly complex irony; Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
@@StumblingThroughItAll Indentured servants, yes. I did know about them and have mentioned that in prior posts. I did not know about the information you shared here though. I will need to read the book mentioned in this interview.
In teaching my students US history, I also learned of the cannibalism that took place among the Jamestown settlers . That was never taught to me…interesting.
I imagine there's also a lot of shady stuff about our classic American Founding Fathers and other heroes that never made the light of day. Or, if it did, was buried so that it wouldn't make into a history book.
And the Donner Party, and many other desperate white parts of society who claim to be the most civilized. They'll tell you about the African cannibals they've come across, though.
@Angus Mac, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight. The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men. One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US. To show that history has a wildly complex irony; Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
As a Millennial, my middle school in middle America had a project where we learned about 1619. I can still recall parts of our “rap” today. It also saddens me that people from my generation are fighting to keep these facts from the next generation.
Music is one of the easiest and oldest ways of teaching things because we tend to remember songs even if we don't remember anything else. Look up Sabaton, if you want an example of a metal band that teaches history. Unfortunately, even though you and I are probably roughly the same age, my school likely skimmed over 1619. If anything, all I recall about whatever we were taught is that some colonies were being founded at that time.
I'll take that bite of the apple of knowledge....and accept the responsibility of doing better....rather than the bs ignorance of all the lack of knowledge. Thanks for the educational information....and for trying to keep book banning from happening.
I'm currently reading "Profiles in Courage", by JFK. It tells of how our forefathers used slavery. It's an abomination that we weren't taught. If we don't learn history and realize our mistakes, and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for the actions of our forefathers, we should be ashamed!! So many people are STILL suffering for their actions.
@chinookvalley, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight. The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men. One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US. To show that history has a wildly complex irony; Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
I recently noticed a correlation between the most democratic country lists and the happiest country lists. America is 25-36th most democratic and 16-19th happiest.
" I cannot live without books;..." - Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, June 10, 1815 My public library card will be filled with books including yours.💯💪🏻💙
You all know who else Banned books? The Gestapo in 1930s Germany. And of course, they are always the first thing we think of as a paragon of virtue and nothing bad ever happened to them.
She is truly an incredible person. I have read the book twice because there is SO much to learn. I'm a little disappointed Colbert had not read the book before the interview.
I am definitely going to buy that book, and what a great interview there again by Stephen the Maestro.. Us Europeans still do not appreciate enough how the race issue has divided over decades, and actually centuries the American society on so many levels. Looking forward to reading up on it - and thank you, Nikole for writing it.
@erik schaepers, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight. The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men. One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US. To show that history has a wildly complex irony; Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
I don't understand why they would not teach this in school, it's part of your history. I am german and was taught extensively about my country's shameful past. why - to learn from our ancestor's mistake. what's wrong with that? History is such a powerful tool!
@Alexa Ales, because NHJ absolutely has a very specific ideological bent she is trying to support through her "historical argument". I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight. The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men. One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US. To show that history has a wildly complex irony; Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
#History & #Education builds people's outlook while hopefully preventing a repeat. The reason history tends to repeat is because of short memory, short lifespans & whitewashing history.
Wonderful lessons which should be taught in our public schools. Her book should be in every school library and every public library so that persons can read and comtemplate how this history impacts our society today.
@Bearlady5, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight. The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men. One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US. To show that history has a wildly complex irony; Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
This book was the most impactful book I have read in almost my entire lifetime and I am 61. It is beyond comprehension, but sadly understandable, that the information in this book has been completely obscured from our history. It is despicable that people are trying to ban this book. We are never going to move forward if we can't honestly address our past. Thank you Nikole.
@Connie Kitzinger, speaking of honestly addressing the past...I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight. The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men. One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US. To show that history has a wildly complex irony; Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
I recommend the book Hiroshima by John Hersey and Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury if you missed this too. (The first movie rendition of the book with Julie Christie is excellent. OMG the final scene! Unforgettable.) I never managed to watch the newer version.) These belong in every 12th grade English class as foundational reading. Does anyone else have a suggestion? Ah! How does literature affect us? When I traveled to Europe I added Finland because I enjoyed the textile designs of the designer Marimekko. I was on a bus at one point and saw a man tending reindeer and realized that I was watching my first Laplander (the Sami as they prefer to be called). I was beside myself with awe. Why? Because in the third grade my class read about this people. That’s what literature does. It’s like eating a banquet with a new and fabulously delicious food that you’ve never eaten before and making it later as part of your own repertoire.
When we educate ourselves we grow and create more growth. When we lie about education we lower ourselves. Unfortunately we a great number of Americans than want to lie to children on things that happened many years ago because they feel ashamed and want to hide it. Do the opposite show how we are not in that place anymore and nobody needs to feel ashamed anymore. What happened back in history is not our fault, but we have the obligation to show those mistakes so we do not commit the same atrocities anymore.
You also don't ban political philosophies from a medium that is now more important than book publishing, the internet. You also don't ban people you disagree with from what should be the most open arena in our society, our universities and colleges.
Yes you can ban them if they are violating the rules within the establishment ie. Hate, discrimination, violence. Just as you wouldnt allow a pornographic book or a book that preaches hate and violence to be in a library. There is a difference between that and a book teaching history in an objective manner.
Passionate arguments are fine as long as they’re based in facts and reason from there. People can say what they like if the foundation is true and the opinions build on the foundation. Lying and getting people upset over things that aren’t happening is vile.
All major corporations donate money to both parties. It is difficult to change the status quo and have a corporation publicly align with one specific party. It’s bad for business, bad for society and bad for democracy.
I think it's especially important to preserve something as hateful as Hitler's Mein Kampf as we need a record of where things went wrong. What you do with that information afterwards is a much bigger topic
@@seegxyber4803 What people do with it is the problem. It's just as important to keep a copy of The Art of the Deal for the same reasons. People will still do stupid things with it though
when I learned about slavery as a child, about 55 years ago, I didn't feel any guilt because it seemed to be ancient history (kid think) and had nothing to do with me. I didn't even consider the thot. Later on, as an adult, I understood it more but I think learning history as it really was is very important. Give kids more credit. I think some parents feel guilty about their own anxiety over race. I wonder if Asian children feel guilt over Genghis Kahn? I think not.
She is such an inspiration. I taught history with a group of wonderful colleagues many of us teaching history that was more true to the facts but did not fit into the propaganda narrative others would have liked. Sometimes we chuckle that in today's climate our heads would have been served on a platter but I tell you nothing like real history to excite and interest students... And to support critical thinking something that the right wing seems to be very afraid of. I wish you would spend more time with guess of this caliber and a little less time on celebrities love everything about this show you are a beacon of Hope
@Nata, Speaking of "real history" did you make sure to teach this? The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men. One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US. To show that history has a wildly complex irony; Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
Ma’am “a free society doesn’t ban books”. That should be in every classroom. My whole life I wanted to know the thoughts of the black pilots who liberated the camps thought conning home to segregation and our domestic oppression/tiered citizenry
What a wonderful interview! I love the wisdom she is sharing. My list of books to read lately is getting longer and longer. Honestly if you are going to ban books, you might as well burn them and call yourself a Nazi because that's the ideology of such censorship. Not to mention its pretty pathetic to be afraid of some inanimate objects.
One of the common occurrences when a society falls into dictatorship is that they start with burning books to control the flow the knowledge The importance of learning history, is not learning how great your ancestors were. It is learning what mistakes they made and how not to repeat them I can create a very long list of books that I would rather didn't exist that would enrage the far right to no end Pretty much anything from Ayn Rand, the bible (I'm an aehiest), etc... If you don't offend anyone, you aren't doing anything Life is compromise
You know when she was talking about her father loving America and it’s potential. It made me think we need Russians to think that way about their country now. To believe in its greatness and potential. Such a shame.
Stephen Colbert you are enlightening with your guests, raising us all up, for the highest good. ❤Thank you for sharing this brilliant brave woman with us today.
I’ve read The 1619 Project. It’s not new history, but it broadens the USA history from the perspective, lived experience, and research of descendants of slavery. I hope and encourage everyone to read it.
@Julie Johnson, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight. The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men. One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US. To show that history has a wildly complex irony; Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
4:05 Sorry, Stephen, but it seems that you're wrong! Race-based slavery was already big in the 14th century. 1492, roughly when Europeans started the main invasion of North America, is in the 15th century. Race-based slavery did change due to the invasion of NA but it was already a thing.
"...the highest calling of patriotism, which is to see the ways in which your country is failing, to see the hypocrisy of your country, to see the way your country is not living up to it's highest ideals, but still believing that your country can become the thing that we all dream it to be." So well said. To anyone who says "America, love it or leave it!" and "How dare you criticize this nation!" I say "Do you just tell your kids they are perfect and never ever question their actions or point out when they are not behaving as decent people?" I sure as hell hope you do. Does that mean you do not love your kids? Nope. It means you really really love them because you are holding them to high standards and believing that they can live up to that.
This book is on my list of books to read when I return to the U.S. after having lived abroad for several years. I truly don't understand the scare tactics that politicians use to try to win votes. I'm Caucasian, but I'm not responsible for what any ancestors of mine might have done in promoting slavery. I'm responsible for my own actions, As far as I know I've never engaged in any enabling behavior that would have encouraged others to act in immoral or unethical ways. By the way, does anyone know if German schools/libraries outlaw books about the Holocaust for fear that German children might feel guilty?
No, Germany acknowledges their responsibility for the Holocaust and the horrors it entailed. As another white person, I know that I have benefitted from slavery whether my family ever owned slaves or not. I cannot suggest too strongly that you also read about institutional racism.
@@infoscrolls I'm sorry you are. However, we do not need to hate ourselves for what our ancestors or predecessors did. We do, however, need to be clear-eyed about their actions. Only then can we make informed judgements about how our society operates and resolve to improve its inequities.
Never found history interesting in schools. I'm now finding most of it was lies. The actual truth is really interesting and helpful. 🇨🇦 And yes, the truth is difficult to absorb at times, but definitely not boring.🇺🇸
@Frank Boyd, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight. The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men. One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US. To show that history has a wildly complex irony; Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
I’m in the middle of The 1619 Project now….it is so interesting, and very eye opening. If we were taught these stories in school, we would be able to easily recognize some of the actions of politicians today that are racist.
@Rebecca Winters, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight. The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men. One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US. To show that history has a wildly complex irony; Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
You tube algorithm made it so I had to search this segment out. I got notifications for all other parts of the show, except this important interview. Thank God for truth tellers! Hmm, I feel like there may be a lesson here.
"...the highest calling of patriotism, which is to see the ways in which your country is failing, to see the hypocrisy of your country, to see the way your country is not living up to it's highest ideals, but still believing that your country can become the thing that we all dream it to be."
@cock no it’s not
❤💖❤💖❤💖
Well said! ❤
Bravo!😁❤🇺🇸🗺
THIS❣️
When I was in junior highschool, 1963, I asked about the contributions of people of color and native Americans to the history of America. I was ridiculed and bullied....by my history teacher. I grew up in an all "white" city in the Midwest. I was taught to fear anyone not "white" like me. It didn't work. Just made me more curious about people "not like me". Ignorant adults!
they cut out the song at the end which was perfect
I understand the desire to own people but that’s not great policy. Plus I’m sure there are some laws against such things.
The complete opposite of how right wing politicians are framing this.
"The question is not whether we can afford to invest in every child; it is whether we can afford not to."
~ Marian Wright Edelman, American lawyer, activist, writer, and founder of the Children's Defense Fund
"All of us must recognize that education and innovation will be the currency of the twenty-first century."
~ Barack Obama, American lawyer, writer, politician, activist, and humanitarian who served as the 44th President of the United States 🇺🇸
Ironically the Facts dont care about your feelings crowd get really offended by this lady just stating historical facts
orbis spike 1610 is earth record..
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@@martytrueblood5902 Did you just have a stroke my man
@@JSephH76 Facts don't care about your feelings
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A coherent comment might help you eventually
@@martytrueblood5902 No I mean you were literally incomprehensible. Genuinely thought you might have had a stroke because if you decided to type and submit that comment while completely sober then there is no hope for you. I am either going to be worried for your physical health (stroke) or mental health (sanity) so pick which it is.
"The whole world 🌎 opened to me when I learned to read."
~ Mary McLeod Bethune (1875-1955), American educator, stateswoman, philanthropist, humanitarian, and activist
Ms Bethune was absolutely right. People who know how to read but don't do so are no better off than someone who is illiterate.
"When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you are only telling the world that you fear what he might say" George R.R. Martin (edited because of autocorrect)
What a beautiful quote
Absolutely brilliant! Wish I'd learned about this sooner in school but glad to be educated about it now. Love that Stephen Colbert is having important guests like this on the show. ❤️👍🤘🙏
"Empower yourselves with a good education, then get out there and use that education to build a country worthy of your boundless promise."
~ Michelle Obama, American lawyer, writer, activist, and humanitarian who served as the First Lady of the United States of America 🇺🇸
It's encouraging that Stephen's audience knew of and supported the 1619 project and its author.
My husband was raised in a racist family, who were die hard Republicans. During the Obama presidency, he became completely became enamored with Michelle Obama. He greatly admired her strength, intelligence, and grace as First Lady.
Good idea, but I'd like to know how many black kids couldn't afford to get that education because her husband promoted bankers' interests over those of black people trapped in subprime mortgages. The Obamas were a lot of hat but no cattle.
I don't know if you copy-and-pasted this or if you wrote it, but it's cool that "First Lady" wasn't the first thing listed in Ms. Obama's accomplishments here.
As a history major, I hold it in the highest regards. History is not meant to make a person feel good or bad, it is a tool to inform you of what has taken place before and to learn from it. Those that choose to ignore, deny, or edit the truth of history are doomed to repeat its tragedies.
>>History is not meant to make a person feel good or bad, it is a tool to inform you of what has taken place before and to learn from it.
EXACTLY!!!! It's such a simple concept and it blows my mind that so many people don't understand it
Then maybe you'd know that her books have literally been debunked thousand of times
Can you please add a link to one of those times? If you’re going to say alms thing like that, prove it.
@@karankapoor2701 Yes, do educate us, please - exactly when, where, and how did this "debunking" take place? You see, some of us value actual facts over bullshit.
Thank you Nikole. Yes, in a free country no book should be banned. Especially a book called the 1619 project.
why do I need to know all about blacks.not interested
Thankyou for bringing this very educated queen on! Love this woman! Get her book & read it! It's so good! I plan on reading again! 18 non-fictional essays 17 scholars 36 poems and/or works of fiction! Many historians took part in this wonderful work! You will benefit from reading this book!
I will be buying, reading and sharing with my students, as appropriate. Thankfully I don’t teach in one of the 14 states that she mentions.
@JEric P., I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight.
The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men.
One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US.
To show that history has a wildly complex irony;
Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
@StumblingThroughItAll oversight? Be careful who you "stumble across". Everybody has a narrative of history. Just because you read something with a different narrative and you personally agree with it more doesn't make it more true than the folks who may have a more accurate representation of history like 1619 which many historians took part in.
I had no knowledge of any of this. I'm looking forward to educating myself. Thank you for having her on your show
Thank you for listening 🙂
@Hugo Aguirre, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight.
The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men.
One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US.
To show that history has a wildly complex irony;
Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
if ignorance is bliss, then I'd rather be uncomfortably aware; thank you Nicole Hannah Jones, can't wait to read your vital book; and we all know how when a book gets banned, it only goes viral and sold out ✨🙏
Innocence is bliss, ignorance is evil.
The closest I'd come to banning is to restrict a book to certain ages.
@@Anuchan Why restrict when we recommend and explain the basis of the recommendation? Let people have a free enlightened choice for their children. I was a gifted child, and I hated fairy tales and most "children" books. There are other kids like this out there.
@@lindabb7064 then make sure your kids read the book Kamasutra and make sure you narrate it by doing a practical
@@karankapoor2701 you are more than welcome to do so with your kids, since those are your words not mine. I said no book banning and instead provide age recommendation and let the parents decide. If kamasutra is what you decide for your kids, you will face the consequence of any laws you might break. Banning books because people like you are afraid to make a mistake or thar other would be tempted is beyond me. Adults take accountability for there choices. If we can't we are maybe big babies needing a censure system acting like mommy and daddy.
She brought up the point about book banning that I always do -- as a college librarian myself -- which is that 99/100 times, the people who want to challenge/ban/remove a book have NOT read it themselves. And that's NOT to suggest that actually reading the book, taking it in, understanding the themes involved will in any way change their thinking about it -- they're often just too ignorant to try to learn something rather than get militant and destructive about it.
What those same folks don't know is that kids nowadays have access to VPNs and shadow libraries online where they can find the banned books if they know about them. I would've been the kid to distribute banned books to all my friends if we'd have had the tech back then. Surely, there are kids like that now.
Recognizing oppressive behavior is very important to teach. I have no eloquence but I hold to my heart that reducing anyone to "lesser" is absolute bullshit.
Sometimes succinctness is better than eloquence.
We’ve got to vote Democrat candidates in, all the way down the ballot if we want to keep a fascist government from taking over. They’re currently focused on anti semetic rhetoric, but black, brown and LGBTQ+ people will quickly see their rights disappear under that rule. For starters. Vote blue!
Believe me, your statement was eloquent.
This woman has literally been debunked thousand of times
@@karankapoor2701 She literally has not. The consensus of respected historians is on her side. Maybe if you stopped listening to rightwing extremists, you might learn something.
This is why I appreciate, and will continue to support this show! Thank you ❤
I must get that book. The 1619 Project is a must read for me. I hope other people will read it too!
We need more people like her shining the light on what and how America has fault for this nation to be the leaders in our democracy! She is totally right our freedom’s are being taken even when the right- wing bans books!
But slavery is not the cause of history. Philosophy is the cause of history.
Ray Bradbury is rolling over in his grave. Book banning is 'Fahrenheit 451' in real time. Thank you for educating me about the 1619 Project.
"A free society does not ban books." 100% correct
Name one society that has never banned any book.
I'll wait.
you want kindergartners read book about giving blow job?
@@PhobosHCM get lost troll
No , it does not ! Only repressive regime’s do that shite .
America and the Library of Congress .
As a retired Librarian, I approve this message
I had no idea about the year 1619. Thanks for teaching me something new. I am British and even though it’s hard to hear about the past and the horrid British/American people that enslaved those and created slavery like this. I never get Thai banning books thing! Either you wanna read it or not don’t stop a whole state being able to read it!
In fact, the earliest form of slavery were the white European indentured servants living in the colonies established by the folks who had fled England.
@@eponymousIme She pointed out the significant differences in indentured slavery vs. race-based slavery. Not sure how you could miss that in the conversation, unless you didn't watch or listen to it.
@@eponymousIme Chattle slavery is in no way similar to indentured service. Gotta be careful making comparisons
Book burners would probably like to take us all back to 1619 when you could burn a book and virtually erase it forever...along with possibly burning/hanging the author. There's a part of me that'd like to ship them all off to Mars to settle so they could burn books to stay warm, but I fear they'd then get their act together and try to come back and conquer Earth with their space rayguns and Mars-rifles.
@@Brianbeesandbikes slavery is slavery
My sister purchased the book for me last year. It wasnt an easy read for me, I will admit, but it is a vital piece of American literature. It's a one stop shop if you will for information pertaining to slavery and how it evolved into systemic racism to the Civil rights movement to present day. It's told from a point of facts and not opinion. A must read.
I'm not sure there can be an unbiased book on such a highly-charged subject, since deciding which facts to include and which facts to omit can't help but slant the contents in a given direction. That is exactly why we need to read multiple books on subjects like these, with a range of perspectives from a variety of authors. One-stop-shopping is how we too often get narrow opinions perpetuating themselves. That being said, given how informed and articulate this author presents, I wager "The 1619 Project" is one of the top three publications that should be required reading for anyone wanting to be fully knowledgeable of these historical events, and probably an excellent place to start.
@@kayecastleman6353 have you read the book?
@@GoldSag1 Not yet.
@@kayecastleman6353 Those that claim to be unbias are complying with and confirming truths that are inconvenient or horrific to keep whatever systemic racism/ sexism/ classism serves its 1%.
Gerald Horne and DuBois are bright lights in exposing past and present injustices.
Gerald Horne interview ruclips.net/video/aYwTDuwH2UU/видео.html
On DuBois
ruclips.net/video/rYQa9EnG8Ck/видео.html
@GoldSag, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight.
The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men.
One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US.
To show that history has a wildly complex irony;
Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
How can the land of the free and the home of the brave be banning books?
Where is the freedom to examine your history?
Where is the bravery to face it?
Every decent person knows what is like to say sorry to someone you have hurt. The weight that is lifted - the sense of new beginnings.
Just get on with it. The world is a better place when the U.S is strong and united.
Exactly. Over and over again our country has been offered the chance to acknowledge the past and move forward more equitably. It saddens me greatly that women like Hannah-Jones are more willing to forgive than conservatives are willing to be forgiven.
We are thankful for your father's service Nikole 💙💙💙
I remember Mr. Bennet lived in my neighborhood.
Book burners are threatened by thought. 👀
As important and moving as this interview is, the fact that a picture of her dad got on an important popular national talk show today brought me to tears. As a clear representative of the most underrated Americans in history, this gentleman post humosly needs to receive the metal of freedom award.
Can I recommend something that I found to be very rewarding? There are recordings available online that were done about 100 years ago with sharecroppers, servants, etc. It is amazing to hear them speak in their own voices. There is also a small selection of autobiographies. Marvelous!
Me too. And I wholeheartedly agree with her premise that seeking to correct faults is more patriotic than pretending they don't exist.
Well, imagine that - I learned something new today and I'm 71. The White Lion, huh? Another item to add to my stack of things I need to learn more about before I jump to my next adventure. It never ceases to amaze me how much information about this country is out there that so few of us know bout and so many do not want to know or want any of us to know. Mind-boggling. Education matters.
@Roxanna Weaver, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight.
The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men.
One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US.
To show that history has a wildly complex irony;
Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
@@StumblingThroughItAll Indentured servants, yes. I did know about them and have mentioned that in prior posts. I did not know about the information you shared here though. I will need to read the book mentioned in this interview.
In teaching my students US history, I also learned of the cannibalism that took place among the Jamestown settlers . That was never taught to me…interesting.
I imagine there's also a lot of shady stuff about our classic American Founding Fathers and other heroes that never made the light of day. Or, if it did, was buried so that it wouldn't make into a history book.
And the Donner Party, and many other desperate white parts of society who claim to be the most civilized. They'll tell you about the African cannibals they've come across, though.
When anyone wants to ban a book you DEFINITELY should read it. The 1619 Project is a great, eye-opening read.
@Angus Mac, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight.
The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men.
One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US.
To show that history has a wildly complex irony;
Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
As a Millennial, my middle school in middle America had a project where we learned about 1619. I can still recall parts of our “rap” today. It also saddens me that people from my generation are fighting to keep these facts from the next generation.
Tell me you guys didn’t do a “rap” about 1619
@@ColoringKaria Oh yeah we did. “16 👏🏽 19, 16 👏🏽 19”
cant control the narrative when people listening are educated in reality
Music is one of the easiest and oldest ways of teaching things because we tend to remember songs even if we don't remember anything else. Look up Sabaton, if you want an example of a metal band that teaches history. Unfortunately, even though you and I are probably roughly the same age, my school likely skimmed over 1619. If anything, all I recall about whatever we were taught is that some colonies were being founded at that time.
😂 🤡
Thank you, Nikole Hannah-Jones, for your work. It is so important!
Censorship is very dominant in the education system. The narrative is shaped by the school systems at every level.
'a free society does NOT ban books"
Thank you SO MUCH for this interview! #Brilliant! I truly hope her voice and vision is heard loud & clear by ALL!
I have the greatest respect for this woman. Thank you so much for this fantastic interview!
I'll take that bite of the apple of knowledge....and accept the responsibility of doing better....rather than the bs ignorance of all the lack of knowledge. Thanks for the educational information....and for trying to keep book banning from happening.
I'm currently reading "Profiles in Courage", by JFK. It tells of how our forefathers used slavery. It's an abomination that we weren't taught. If we don't learn history and realize our mistakes, and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for the actions of our forefathers, we should be ashamed!! So many people are STILL suffering for their actions.
@chinookvalley, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight.
The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men.
One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US.
To show that history has a wildly complex irony;
Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
You made us all so proud sister!!❤❤❤ way to go Nikolie Olie!
Should have given up the entire show to talk with her, Stephen.
I recently noticed a correlation between the most democratic country lists and the happiest country lists. America is 25-36th most democratic and 16-19th happiest.
I think this interview could have been much longer. I mean you spent 15 (+) minutes with George R.R. Martin...
L🤣L‼ 'cause he's an "All Thℹngs #TOLKℹEN-ℹsh" #STAN‼
@@seegxyber4803 Still...
That last bit about loving your country enough to want to see it do better. That's true patriotism. Love doesn't mean not seeing imperfections.
Exactly. Loving your country, as with loving your child, can be unconditional but should still involve trying to mold it to be its best self.
That is patriotism.
We are long overdue a reckoning on our origin myths. Updating this will make us a stronger, better community and country.
" I cannot live without books;..." - Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, June 10, 1815
My public library card will be filled with books including yours.💯💪🏻💙
My favorite bookstore is City Lights in San Francisco.. the front window proudly says WE SELL BANNED BOOKS.
Wonderful having her on the show!
You all know who else Banned books? The Gestapo in 1930s Germany. And of course, they are always the first thing we think of as a paragon of virtue and nothing bad ever happened to them.
Thank you for this Stephen Colbert!
Salute to "A Truth Teller"
Short and simple. I love the way you stand up truth and reality. Nice to see there is an opposition too, shall we say social media.
Thank you for having her on as a guest. what a wonderful person.
She is truly an incredible person. I have read the book twice because there is SO much to learn. I'm a little disappointed Colbert had not read the book before the interview.
I am definitely going to buy that book, and what a great interview there again by Stephen the Maestro.. Us Europeans still do not appreciate enough how the race issue has divided over decades, and actually centuries the American society on so many levels. Looking forward to reading up on it - and thank you, Nikole for writing it.
@erik schaepers, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight.
The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men.
One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US.
To show that history has a wildly complex irony;
Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
I don't understand why they would not teach this in school, it's part of your history. I am german and was taught extensively about my country's shameful past. why - to learn from our ancestor's mistake. what's wrong with that? History is such a powerful tool!
@Alexa Ales, because NHJ absolutely has a very specific ideological bent she is trying to support through her "historical argument". I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight.
The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men.
One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US.
To show that history has a wildly complex irony;
Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
Thank you for having Nikole on.
#History & #Education builds people's outlook while hopefully preventing a repeat. The reason history tends to repeat is because of short memory, short lifespans & whitewashing history.
Wonderful lessons which should be taught in our public schools. Her book should be in every school library and every public library so that persons can read and comtemplate how this history impacts our society today.
@Bearlady5, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight.
The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men.
One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US.
To show that history has a wildly complex irony;
Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
This book was the most impactful book I have read in almost my entire lifetime and I am 61. It is beyond comprehension, but sadly understandable, that the information in this book has been completely obscured from our history. It is despicable that people are trying to ban this book. We are never going to move forward if we can't honestly address our past. Thank you Nikole.
@Connie Kitzinger, speaking of honestly addressing the past...I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight.
The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men.
One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US.
To show that history has a wildly complex irony;
Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
I also believe our country can become a better country if we elect better representatives. So I voted in the midterm election this morning.
I recommend the book Hiroshima by John Hersey and Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury if you missed this too. (The first movie rendition of the book with Julie Christie is excellent. OMG the final scene! Unforgettable.) I never managed to watch the newer version.) These belong in every 12th grade English class as foundational reading.
Does anyone else have a suggestion?
Ah! How does literature affect us? When I traveled to Europe I added Finland because I enjoyed the textile designs of the designer Marimekko. I was on a bus at one point and saw a man tending reindeer and realized that I was watching my first Laplander (the Sami as they prefer to be called). I was beside myself with awe. Why? Because in the third grade my class read about this people. That’s what literature does. It’s like eating a banquet with a new and fabulously delicious food that you’ve never eaten before and making it later as part of your own repertoire.
When we educate ourselves we grow and create more growth. When we lie about education we lower ourselves. Unfortunately we a great number of Americans than want to lie to children on things that happened many years ago because they feel ashamed and want to hide it. Do the opposite show how we are not in that place anymore and nobody needs to feel ashamed anymore. What happened back in history is not our fault, but we have the obligation to show those mistakes so we do not commit the same atrocities anymore.
You also don't ban political philosophies from a medium that is now more important than book publishing, the internet. You also don't ban people you disagree with from what should be the most open arena in our society, our universities and colleges.
Yes you can ban them if they are violating the rules within the establishment ie. Hate, discrimination, violence.
Just as you wouldnt allow a pornographic book or a book that preaches hate and violence to be in a library.
There is a difference between that and a book teaching history in an objective manner.
@cali scribe
Got anyone in particular in mind?
Passionate arguments are fine as long as they’re based in facts and reason from there. People can say what they like if the foundation is true and the opinions build on the foundation. Lying and getting people upset over things that aren’t happening is vile.
All major corporations donate money to both parties. It is difficult to change the status quo and have a corporation publicly align with one specific party. It’s bad for business, bad for society and bad for democracy.
I think it's especially important to preserve something as hateful as Hitler's Mein Kampf as we need a record of where things went wrong. What you do with that information afterwards is a much bigger topic
-&-#PARTℹCULARLY AS ~ THAT ~accordℹng to hℹs late spouse~ℹS THE.SℹNGLE.BOOK~{actually ~ a book of Der Fürher's speeches....} that #45 kept ▶bedsℹde◀‼
@@seegxyber4803 What people do with it is the problem. It's just as important to keep a copy of The Art of the Deal for the same reasons. People will still do stupid things with it though
when I learned about slavery as a child, about 55 years ago, I didn't feel any guilt because it seemed to be ancient history (kid think) and had nothing to do with me. I didn't even consider the thot. Later on, as an adult, I understood it more but I think learning history as it really was is very important. Give kids more credit. I think some parents feel guilty about their own anxiety over race. I wonder if Asian children feel guilt over Genghis Kahn? I think not.
She is such an inspiration. I taught history with a group of wonderful colleagues many of us teaching history that was more true to the facts but did not fit into the propaganda narrative others would have liked. Sometimes we chuckle that in today's climate our heads would have been served on a platter but I tell you nothing like real history to excite and interest students... And to support critical thinking something that the right wing seems to be very afraid of.
I wish you would spend more time with guess of this caliber and a little less time on celebrities love everything about this show you are a beacon of Hope
@Nata, Speaking of "real history" did you make sure to teach this?
The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men.
One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US.
To show that history has a wildly complex irony;
Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
Ma’am “a free society doesn’t ban books”. That should be in every classroom. My whole life I wanted to know the thoughts of the black pilots who liberated the camps thought conning home to segregation and our domestic oppression/tiered citizenry
What a wonderful interview! I love the wisdom she is sharing. My list of books to read lately is getting longer and longer. Honestly if you are going to ban books, you might as well burn them and call yourself a Nazi because that's the ideology of such censorship. Not to mention its pretty pathetic to be afraid of some inanimate objects.
One of the common occurrences when a society falls into dictatorship is that they start with burning books to control the flow the knowledge
The importance of learning history, is not learning how great your ancestors were. It is learning what mistakes they made and how not to repeat them
I can create a very long list of books that I would rather didn't exist that would enrage the far right to no end
Pretty much anything from Ayn Rand, the bible (I'm an aehiest), etc...
If you don't offend anyone, you aren't doing anything
Life is compromise
My Grandfather died in Battle of the Bulge with 101st airborne. USA crushed them. I feel a equality with this woman's father that goes beyond words.
made in Japan..
fight harder next time..
yankee..
so sorry
You know when she was talking about her father loving America and it’s potential. It made me think we need Russians to think that way about their country now. To believe in its greatness and potential. Such a shame.
If you don't understand a problem there's no way to solve it.
Stephen Colbert you are enlightening with your guests, raising us all up, for the highest good. ❤Thank you for sharing this brilliant brave woman with us today.
What an eloquent, smart author Nikole is.
I’ve read The 1619 Project. It’s not new history, but it broadens the USA history from the perspective, lived experience, and research of descendants of slavery. I hope and encourage everyone to read it.
@Julie Johnson, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight.
The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men.
One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US.
To show that history has a wildly complex irony;
Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
Excellent interview! Stephen is the best! Nikole Hannah-Jones is an exceptional excellent academic talent!
This interview was waaay too short. This conversation needed to extend into a full-length segment.
4:05 Sorry, Stephen, but it seems that you're wrong! Race-based slavery was already big in the 14th century. 1492, roughly when Europeans started the main invasion of North America, is in the 15th century. Race-based slavery did change due to the invasion of NA but it was already a thing.
Poignant, Powerful, & Fabulous!!
"...the highest calling of patriotism, which is to see the ways in which your country is failing, to see the hypocrisy of your country, to see the way your country is not living up to it's highest ideals, but still believing that your country can become the thing that we all dream it to be." So well said. To anyone who says "America, love it or leave it!" and "How dare you criticize this nation!" I say "Do you just tell your kids they are perfect and never ever question their actions or point out when they are not behaving as decent people?" I sure as hell hope you do. Does that mean you do not love your kids? Nope. It means you really really love them because you are holding them to high standards and believing that they can live up to that.
More Nikole please.
Americans needs her to educate them.
She's a legit clown and only people who use the word BIRTHING PEOPLE take her seriously
This book is on my list of books to read when I return to the U.S. after having lived abroad for several years. I truly don't understand the scare tactics that politicians use to try to win votes. I'm Caucasian, but I'm not responsible for what any ancestors of mine might have done in promoting slavery. I'm responsible for my own actions, As far as I know I've never engaged in any enabling behavior that would have encouraged others to act in immoral or unethical ways. By the way, does anyone know if German schools/libraries outlaw books about the Holocaust for fear that German children might feel guilty?
No, Germany acknowledges their responsibility for the Holocaust and the horrors it entailed. As another white person, I know that I have benefitted from slavery whether my family ever owned slaves or not. I cannot suggest too strongly that you also read about institutional racism.
@@TheAureliac self hating
@@infoscrolls I'm sorry you are. However, we do not need to hate ourselves for what our ancestors or predecessors did. We do, however, need to be clear-eyed about their actions. Only then can we make informed judgements about how our society operates and resolve to improve its inequities.
May God bless this Treasured American ❤
Any time I hear someone wants to ban a book, I wonder what they are hiding.
Good interview. Glad she was invited as a guest.
What an interesting woman. Love her.
Powerful stuff. Nikole Hannah-Jones is a great American.
Never found history interesting in schools. I'm now finding most of it was lies. The actual truth is really interesting and helpful. 🇨🇦 And yes, the truth is difficult to absorb at times, but definitely not boring.🇺🇸
@Frank Boyd, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight.
The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men.
One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US.
To show that history has a wildly complex irony;
Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
When did being conservative start to require being in denial about so much of reality?
I’m in the middle of The 1619 Project now….it is so interesting, and very eye opening. If we were taught these stories in school, we would be able to easily recognize some of the actions of politicians today that are racist.
Jussie smollet should take few lessons Fromm that book
@Rebecca Winters, I may have missed this fascinating/haunting detail in NHJ's book, which I stumbled across when studying the origins of the institution of US chattel slavery. Maybe it was an honest oversight.
The first African "slaves" to come to the US in 1619 were actually indentured servants, not race-based chattel slaves. They worked out their "contracts" and went on to become free men.
One of the first court cases that was foundational to the legal protection of lifelong chattel slavery was in 1655, Johnson v. Casor. This case was pivotal in laying the foundation for the profoundly vile institution of lifelong chattel slavery (humans as permanent property). The Northampton County Court ruled in favor of Anthony Johnson, which allowed him to keep a black man in lifelong slavery as his property, and John Casor became the first person to be declared a slave for life in the US.
To show that history has a wildly complex irony;
Anthony Johnson, who's victory in Johnson v. Casar is credited with laying the foundation for chattel slavery in the US, was also a black man, and was one of the 20 African indentured servants brought to Jamestown in 1619....
Phenomenal interview!
You tube algorithm made it so I had to search this segment out. I got notifications for all other parts of the show, except this important interview. Thank God for truth tellers! Hmm, I feel like there may be a lesson here.
More Nikole Hannah-Jones, please.
I love it and obviously the live audience does also, when the show has people on with something to say. Most actors do not