So just be satisfied with being the bridesmaid and never the bride basically… sooner than later you’re just gonna be the flower girl, can’t keep bumping your head and keep running into the wall
Sometimes I wonder if these guys can watch the games they speak. Acho said Brown took more shots than Tatum bc he thinks he better when in reality he did it bc JT was hurt and in pain, Brown has never had a problem deferring to JT and to say that he does is unfair
I think that one of there main problems is brown deferring to Tatum more than he should,I have watched several game's where Tatum is struggling and brown is hot and Tatum come back in the game and brown just automatically defer to Tatum and Tatum don't have the unselfishness to tell Brown to continue doing what he's doing and he'll play off of him since he's the hot hand
They took a step back form last years finals appearance because of the coach situation ….there’s no need to break this up. A few minor adjustments and acquisitions and they’re in the Finals next year.
How can you erase the turnovers bro , you just can’t , they got rid of Isaiah Thomas they got rid of Kyrie they got rid of Kemba , one good point guard that doesn’t turn the ball over or makes jayson Tatum dribble less is a key
Could not agree more, it's not like Miami dominated them, it went 7 games. Milwaukee and Philly are not better either, it would be crazy not to take another shot next year. If they're in the same position again next year, I like their chances. Damon Lillard at 33 years old is not worth Brown at 26, that would be very STUPID, and really a theft.
Just because they win doesn't mean they don't have egos. Shaq and Kobe played together 8 years and won 3 straight championships, but eventually couldn't co-exist because of their egos. Not comparing them to Tatum and Brown but Brown playes like he believes he's the best player on the court and Tatum clearly plays like he knows he's the best. He said so himself. But you can't have your two best players battling for who's the best, because this is the end result you get.
@@haydennyagah706 the results isn’t because they were battling for who was better, it was because they have a rookie coach who got madly out coached. All I’m saying is they fit together and only reason to split them is egos not play style. If they don’t have any egos then maybe
both of them their best position is SF. JB doesn't have guard handles and JT doesn't have PF size. He may do well vs most of the league but he's undersized vs premiere PFs like Giannis
@@Johenz they are the same against most teams but not all: when you play Bucks for example the 2 and 4 are not the same. JT cannot post up Giannis. JT is probably below league average in weight for the PF position. The solution is to play JT at the 3 or to get a good PG then you can get a switch working. if you dont understand that then maybe YOU dont watch modern basketball...
They don't need to split them up. They need a true point/playmaker and leader. Doesnt have to be an all star but someone who can run an offense and hit open shots. Marcus Smart is not the guy
The biggest misconception is that Tatum and Brown are close in terms of who's the best player. It is clearly Tatum and has been for years and the player who can't be the guy on this team gotta which is Brown. Too expensive for a player with big issues in his game
Tatum and Brown are mirrors of each other. Both are inconsistent and have huge holes in their games. I’ve watched Boston the past 4 years in the playoffs and don’t see much difference between Brown/Tatum games. This isn’t a KD/Westbrook or LeBron/Dwade where one player is obviously better than the other(ie Kd And LeBron were undeniably the best player in their respective duo). Arguments can be made for either Brown or Tatum being the better player. Personally I would say Boston should keep Brown because he’s shown more leadership traits than Tatum and as bad as he was in Game7 has also been way more consistent than flaky Tatum
I think Tatum is the best player between him and JB, but I wouldn't use the word clearly. Did you know Tatum's career average is 21.9 ppg and and Jaylen's is 17.9 ppg. Neither one of them are great defenders, but JT averages 2 more boards and 1 more assist. I actually agreed all the way with your comment, but then I said let me look up the numbers and I was surprised the numbers were closer than I thought.
@@WellWhyNot-lj8ufthat’s not true, brown is a much better at corner threes and that’s about it, can he be great at other things? Sure, but you don’t need two players iso when the game is close, Tatum is much better and shooting off the dribble and handles, the biggest issue is their shot selection and their ability to get good shots in clutch moments or during times where their trying to get back into the game
The problem with the KD Westbrook analogy is I don’t think Brown has the ego Westbrook has. I think they are perfectly ok with your turn my turn type of style🤷🏾♂️
@@clarissagregory8445 oh i agree but they both just seem so passive that its almost like they dont see it as "im 1 he’s 2" but instead my turn your turn…which is why I don’t think ego will play a part in why they aren’t successful. The reality is they both play a similar style, are they willing playmakers yes but thats when everything is working in their favor other than that they are isolation players. It’s easier to defend a team when that ball isn’t moving, now will they beat you on just talent(Tatum and Brown) 75% of the time yes….but that other 25% when things aren’t going well the Celtics look awful
As always, the media looking to split duos to support their own narrative… it’s been the same for years now: Kobe/Shaq, Lebron/Kyrie Durant/ Westbrook Durant/ Kyrie And now… JT/JB
They need to stay together What everyone is failing to realize is, they’re having THIS much success, and NEITHER of the 2 are in their prime yet, Brown is getting there but TAtum still has like 2 - 3 seasons before he “peaks” Yu can argue they already get it done, they just need that little “push” That little push is their prime.
Galo comes back next year. Mazzulla comes back with more experienced coaching staff. This duo has atleast 1 more run before all this split them up talk
You don't split up talent... I think Boston needs a paint presence someone they can pass to in the paint and they can get quality looks from in pick and role nobody post up.. al shoots rob lobs and we need a mix of both. I'm interested in KAT
It’s not easy to trade a talented player to get equal value. As soon a talent team loses the media is calling to break them up. The had a new coach right before training camp I don’t think they ever over come that challenge also losing Damon Stoudemire top assistance in the middle of the season was even more challenging. The team fall apart after Stoudemire departure. Before calling to break up a team look at the the entire chessboard.
I don’t think it makes sense to split them up now they haven’t won a final, but they’ve been pretty close to the chance to win one. They need to make corrections. They are still young. Still got time , I say, keep them together.
Exactly bro they need a pg like cp3 who can run there offense and get jb & Tatum open looks. They play iso ball a little too much when neither one of them have great handles.
If im Boston, im calling Portland and testing the waters on a trade for dame based around moving jaylen. He gives you the real pg you need and the veteran presence you need
bruh these Gen Z's are impatient. Even though Jalen and Jason did not went to Finals that does not mean they are a failure, there are many teams that spend so much money and did not get past first round or went to playoffs. The franchise should continue to build around them they are still young. as long they are in the Conference finals every year they are not a failure there are just missing pieces. I believe they will learn from this adversity which could lead them to the next level.
Udoka was a Rookie Head coach with leading experiences on various teams for numerous years we shouldn't have expected him to do the same with less. Heck the two Vital additions they made one addition hurt from gecho the other hurt post season when you need him the most to not have a gassed Marcus! Therefore, not giving him a chance to revaluate & galvanize his team with a winning mindset is so NOT fair! We have all seen coaches get worst results and have been kept far longer so JUST STOP!!! This is a completely new situation and the great thing is when you make a lot of mistakes you have A LOT you can learn from to be better! Even if he doesn't admit publicly!
If last night proved anything, it's that Brown is not capable of being a #1 option on a team. Sure, he could probably average well over 30 points a game if given the type of usage a #1 option gets, but he has some very obvious flaws that'll get exposed more if he gets his own team. His ball handling and shot selection is on the level of Michael Porter Jr. And MPJ is a good player, but everyone knows when he gets the ball, he's putting up a shot no questions asked. Brown is almost the exact same except when he does put the ball on the floor, he almost can never move the ball and makes stupid turnovers. He had 8 turnovers last night. That's only going to be magnified if he's the best player on your team.
So y we don’t bring up Tatum 100 to last playoffs and how he disappeared in the finals when brown was they best player? Tatum get 100 excuses and never gets blamed
@@daa_97 He was better than Brown the entire season and playoffs until the finals, which proves he can be a #1. LeBron was terrible his first two finals, was he not capable of being a championship #1?
1st it was IT fault then kyrie then the terry rozier then Hayward then brad Stevans then Marcus smart now it’s jaylen brown turn and mvp candidate all nba 1st team jayson Tatum escapes blame again…
The KD Westbrook break up wasn’t done by the Thunder. KD wanted to go to the Warriors, and his 2 rings and 2 finals MVPs proves it was the right decision for him. The Thunder have FOUR 1st round playoff exits since he left. I’m not sure the Celtic are looking to get on that path. They just need to change pieces around them. That said if they were to try and move one. I’d try hitting up the Raptors for Jaylen Brown & Marcus Smart for Scottie Barnes or Pascal Siakam & OG Anunoby. Then try an add like a Jaxson Hayes in free agency.
Yea but if they just won this game the talk would be different, people flip flop so easily. I am saying to be patient, they are still young I wouldn't give Jaylen the max I'd try to give him less
I wouldn't break it up..I would get a traditional point guard.. Start Williams ...Create scenes that highlights the players skill set..play hard nose Defense..this is a good team..I'd make Suttle changes
2 top scorers(wings) have never worked in the modern history of basketball. If one is not a point forward, it’s never worked. I’m surprised this has worked as good as it has.
never break them up unless they start becoming a bust. you dont want to play the what if game when you have players of that level. people still play what if with okc even me. you got two talented players get a coach who actually knows what to say and what to do to push them to the next level. imagine if Coach Spo had them both. Both smart/udoka were the leader, idk what happen this year
They need to get another coach, possibly the one who knows to make adjustments. Mazzula's press conference after game 7 loss tells you all you need to know about the guy. I like the Heat but there's no way they win the series if Celtics have a competent coach.
Question is who do you even get for Brown or Tatum. Because if i'm keeping one of them i want a big to pair with my wing player. Is KAT the answer? If not then what Lillard? But you already have 3 guards on the roster who play almost the same position.
This is why they aren't managers of a team. The Boston Celtics against 8U eastern conference Finals every other year almost since Jayson Tatum and jaylen Brown were paired together. At 19 + 20. Tatum it is barely twenty-five. They were just in the finals last year. And they have had three coaches each of the last three years. And yet I have so much talent between the two they still get at least that far. And he woke up this morning and thought you know what the Boston Celtics should do they should follow in the footsteps of Oklahoma City thunder. Ok you know what? No more takes for you for the next week.
Yes these talk shows hosts are just clowns making bad takes because the Celtics did better than their home town teams. OKC got WORSE after splitting up their two superstars. These clowns on TV want to remove the Celtics as a threat to make things easier for Heat, 76ers, Bucks, etc.
If you replace Jaylen Brown with Desmond Bane the Celtics would have won finals this year. And I’m not saying Bane is better than Jaylen at all. But Celtics are lacking a pure shooter like bane
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Another case of a show creating a narrative that they have no proof or whatsoever lol. Tatum clearly said he wants Brown back so where is Acho getting his info that there is a battle for the leadership of the team smh
Bruh I’ve never seen a duo that actually has success be told they should break up, since they’ve both been in the league they only missed the conference finals twice, 2019,2021 every other year they are the last four teams left, let’s not forget that they’ve had to deal with kyrie, kemba, Hayward, all coming in and trying to make it work. As well as having 3 coaches in 3 years, they haven’t had a consistent coach during their careers. Maybe the issue is as simple as having a coach to its with them
@@jonstangerjazz9188 that’s a casual way of thinking, making the conference finals is not easy, in fact besides the warriors no team Or player has made it to the conference finals more than Tatum and brown since 2018 so if that’s not success than no one is successful
That's because the conference finals stopped being the standard for success last year. The last two years they've had the experience, roster, and talent as a duo, and the injury breaks against teams who may have potentially beat them to win championship. When OKC blew that 3-1 lead there were talks of if they should stay together. Plus the talks of them breaking up become even more of a topic considering that you have to pay both of them. Part of the reason they were able to make so many conference finals is that the Celtics had the luxury of not having to pay either the supermax.
@@dominiquerobinson8888 OKC blew things up and look what that got them. OKC would have been better off keeping their two superstars. You people never learn. Breaking up 2 superstars to only have 1 superstar does not equal more success, it equals LESS success.
@@SO-jp6gh We also saw how top heavy teams like the Nets and Lakers last year played without the right supporting pieces. Plus Tatum and Brown aren't even "superstars". As the celtics you couldn't win a championship when you were able to put great support around them. How are they supposed to win now when they are getting paid 600 million and might potentially have less of a balanced team?
Always this stupid take. They lost because they didn't had an answer for the Heat zone defense, their 3's were not falling and Jason had a bad ankle. And not to talk about a young headcoach who took them so far(maybe that's the max fir this year) So next year bring more variation in their attack, more mid range offense and plays Williams more.
They acted like they didn’t know how to dribble , they need a real point guard , START PLAYING REAL BASKETBALL jayson Tatum can’t dribble his crossover are a disgrace to wide and literally the ball is right in front of the defender SWIPE
@@adr3naline23 they have White and Brigdon. In this series and especially game 7, that was not the problem. Mazulla didn't find a way to cancel the zone defence of the heat. And he is a young coach, so maybe next season they should bring at least 1 veteran coach to their staff.
@@juliomartis2906 After game6 I was going to say something about the Celtics should prepare 48hrs for the Heat zone defense that I expect will come in game7.
Biggest piece of _____. You the writer paying for Luxury tax to surround JB and JT [who eat up USD 120 mil cap space] with good 2nd and 3rd tier players??? No good 2nd and 3rd tier players are coming to Boston for peanuts. Probably, you the writer are prepared to get peanuts. But you aint NBA Player. So be truthful, analytical and transparent. Previous Message : You cannot break up the law firm. What they need is one more player and one more rebounder/defender...
Ocho was spot on with his take. I’ve been saying it for years. It has to be someone’s team and Jaylen thinks he’s the guy. Tatum is too passive to take over because of Jaylen.
Funny how these Jokers don't even mention Malcolm Brogdon , the guy that was supposed to be that Distributing PG and Final Piece that could Shoot that the Celtics needed . He was basically non existant in the Playoffs this season . The problem is Smart and Horford are Bottom Five In Multiple Categories as NBA Players . They were the Weak Links of this Celtics Team . If the Lakers and Celtics were Smart ? They would Swap AD and Tatum Straight up . Brown and AD would make more Sense . I'm sure Lebron would love to have a SG that was as Talented as Tatum instead of Chasing a Head Case Diva like Kyrie in Free Agency .
Biggest piece of _____. You the writer paying for Luxury tax to surround JB and JT [who eat up USD 120 mil cap space] with good 2nd and 3rd tier players??? No good 2nd and 3rd tier players are coming to Boston for peanuts. Probably, you the writer are prepared to get peanuts. But you aint NBA Player. So be truthful, analytical and transparent. Previous Message : You cannot break up the law firm. What they need is one more player and one more rebounder/defender...
Dumbest plan imaginable unless a true clear-cut leader becomes available. I'm just not sold on Tatum as the leader of the team. Maybe if Dame or POSSIBLY Embiid become available. They should definitely make a run on Trae, cp3 or Draymond too. Bottom line: they need stability including at the coaching position. Give Joe one more year to deal with the composure and motivation problem and let the players get comfortable with their coach. Hopefully that embarrassment humbled them and they are ready to learn.
You can't compare these two dudes to Russ and KD, because Russ and KD were an All-Time great scoring duo, went against All-time great teams and lost because of injuries every single season to a key piece. It's not even close to the same level of player in either regard, because no one is putting Jalen Brown or Tatum anywhere near their top-25 players, like Russ and KD.
Way too many people are comfortable with just being possible, how many times you gotta watch them not come through before trying to switch it up you’ve changed almost everything around these two but these two. Leadership and chemistry has been an issue for like 3 years straight
I told my lil bro who is a Celtics fan before they won game 6 I said if they lose this series they are gone get broke up now this on speak come about I believe often time's because you are of the same caliper but slightly better than your team mate that you have to go a separate way & become your own man on another team while your partner than began to take over that team fully.... But at one point of time I thought Al Horford was that leader I guess since he has gotten older now he has thrown that out the window.
Damien Lillard explain it the best. This "RING ERA" has changed the NBA so much. They're technically not even in their prime yet & already considered as one of the best young duos ever. They have the collective stats. All they need is the ring & y'all want to break them up this early together?? They can't help the fact that they were going to the ECF as rookies & sophomores. Give them time without the pressure of "ring or break up". They will win won before they turn 29 & 28.
Acho reaching with the JT/JB comparison to Russel/KD. Jaylen knows it's JT's team while Russel felt he was the best player. Now I'm sure in an honest moment Jaylen feels he's the best player on the team, but my point is he doesn't play like that and he respects Tatum's position as the leader. With all that said I think they still need to break up that team. Go figure lol
I truly try to support this show and not criticize. Acho always sounds like he's doing open mic night at a poetry bar and I can't hear him any other way.
The dou isn't the problem. They have a very small team and in the playoffs teams are not only a lot bigger but a lot more skilled. The other problem they have is their 3rd scoring option is not their 3rd option - it should be Brogdan and it is smart and when smart is your 3rd option that is not good. It should be Tatum/Brown/Brogdon and after that I'd say White and or Horford then Smart, and Smarts only in that place because he is on the court long enough do to defense prowes. The fact is the Celtics aren't as stacked as people think. They have 5 hoopers/ballers (tatum/brown/prichard/white) and the 3rd don't play and the 4th goes off when he wants to (rarely) but the fact is there are over a dozen teams in the league that have more hoopers than the Celtics. they just have a large number of players who are better than average 3-point shooters and when the hoopers are going off the team outshoots other teams. THE FACT IS THEY NEED A RESHUFFLE AND THE DOU ISN'T THE PROBLEM!!!
@@khalxd1991 I don't know were you get your ideas from but they are ludacris. First off teh celtics are so small if Brooker was on that team they would be even smaller and would get killed, especially since Brooker doesn't play defense unlike Brown or Tatum and KD plays defense when he wishes unlike Brown and Tatum. Bron n AD add size and AD would make them better interior but but Brown and Tatum are better for ball roation them then 2 and having all those above 3 point shooters having stars that don;t hold the ball is key and they are worse shooters than both Celtics SO NO... and Jokic and Murrey are worse defenders then both of them though as far as scoring it would be about even and passing would be about even as I'd say Murray is the worse passer out of all 4... THE DOU IS NOT TH EPROBLEM THE PROBLEMS AS I STATED 1. they are way to small as a team 2. they have less skilled players scoring more points than other more skilled offensive players though it is an odd situation because smart scores so much because his defense allows him to be on the court so much 3. they have many above average 3 point shooters but many teams have more hoopers than them...
Jaylen gives up the ball and disappears all the time…Tatum starts slow so brown takes charge because he has motor from the start…it’s the players around smart/ Al need a real center paint points
Crazy to me how people will say draymond green is the leader but the actual players always call Steph their leader…if you put brown in a good situation I think he can help a team win a championship Tatum so far that clutch part needs to be seen from him
It ain’t always coaching with them. Turnovers and bad shot selection always been the problem no matter the coach. They did it under Brad, Under Ime, and now Under Joe. It’s the players not the coaches
Naw they don’t need to break up They just need to define their role Tatum needs to be Jordan Brown needs to defensive minded while getting his as the 2nd option But that takes letting go of your egos
Brogdon was brought in to become more of a floor general but obviously it didn't go that way. Was still a pivotal piece. That being said, they really need a true floor general. Healthy Lonzo would have been perfect. They also need to go back to having the defense as their identity & stop falling in love with the 3pt. They're deadly whenever they're consistently acting the rim. Especially JT. Lastly, they need a big who can score in the paint & outside consistently. Someone that teams have to worry about. Horford is too old & Williams needs help down there.
JB needs to humble a little more because it is clear his game has more athleticism however, he slightly has a lesser skill set! JT can Facilitate way better and play 2 to 4 may be even a small ball center as he is now taken a step to be more aggressive on the boards. JB is the better athlete that can play 2/3 they are a very good duo!
You guys are nuts… your not breaking up these two guys!!! But other players do got to go, Marcus smart needs to go for sure and more trades need to happen
Three coaches in three years? Has anybody thought about that? How about holding the Celtics accountable for getting rid of Ime? This take is far too superficial. The Heat has had the same GM and Coach for how many years?
They were thrown from the loop they were in (that being No cuddle) and had to go another direction with someone fresh and completely new to how in head coaching a super talented NBA team! This was his first year managing talent, egos and not to mention emotional & injury hurdles from the start all the way to the very game to take you back to where you was with an extremely depleted coaching staff! The situation was setup for him to fail, now if he didn't WIN as much regular season games and was a third seed or lower we wouldn't be harping on him but he as a completely new coach over achieved (not the players)!
They need a couple of new PG BIG PG's! that can score keep both together I agree that Tatum would bring more to the team than brown in a deal, but Tatum can score like Kobe did capable of 40 or 50 on any night not even in his prime yet, Brown on another team is a top 5 talent, so who knows what's going to happen go get Damon Lill If you want to win with draft picks and redo the bench in a salary dump to add Lill
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Always rushong to the next big thing and breaking up teams. Media people are just evil.
4 ECFs and 1 Finals appearance. Stay together.
Agreed!
THIS! People are so quick to jump ship. They are so young and they had so many internal issues with coaching this year.
So just be satisfied with being the bridesmaid and never the bride basically… sooner than later you’re just gonna be the flower girl, can’t keep bumping your head and keep running into the wall
@@jaywilliams4770 Strangest analogy i’ve ever read lol but the entire roster is so young. I think we will be just fine in the coming years
Right!! Clearly something is working because you have teams that can’t get through the second round for decades! Look at Philly! Why messed it up.
Sometimes I wonder if these guys can watch the games they speak. Acho said Brown took more shots than Tatum bc he thinks he better when in reality he did it bc JT was hurt and in pain, Brown has never had a problem deferring to JT and to say that he does is unfair
I just said the same thing lol he’s lucky she cut him off
I think that one of there main problems is brown deferring to Tatum more than he should,I have watched several game's where Tatum is struggling and brown is hot and Tatum come back in the game and brown just automatically defer to Tatum and Tatum don't have the unselfishness to tell Brown to continue doing what he's doing and he'll play off of him since he's the hot hand
Breaking it up could also just make them less competitive if they don’t get the right replacement.
Nobody figures that part out
Lillard?
@@Ze_Moosehe is way too ball dominant. tatum and lillard makes no sense. They both like to be on the ball
Tying your cap up in two dudes who have shown they can’t really get it done is gonna be wild
@@redstar3092 Brown and Tatum play the same also
They took a step back form last years finals appearance because of the coach situation ….there’s no need to break this up. A few minor adjustments and acquisitions and they’re in the Finals next year.
How can you erase the turnovers bro , you just can’t , they got rid of Isaiah Thomas they got rid of Kyrie they got rid of Kemba , one good point guard that doesn’t turn the ball over or makes jayson Tatum dribble less is a key
Could not agree more, it's not like Miami dominated them, it went 7 games. Milwaukee and Philly are not better either, it would be crazy not to take another shot next year. If they're in the same position again next year, I like their chances. Damon Lillard at 33 years old is not worth Brown at 26, that would be very STUPID, and really a theft.
These folks just like to talk. They get paid for that. They are making up the whole Tatum vs. Brown narrative to begin with.
@@adr3naline23 Also develop a paint game. Williams should get more touches there.
They lost there coach
The missing piece they all described was udoka& why it was a mistake pushing him out.
He didn't win neither
I agree...we missed Ime this playoff run!!
Ime held our defense accountable!!
That's a fact
It’s a coaching issue… let the players play, let the coach direct them.
They are 25 and 26. Not even in their prime yet
That's quite literally when a basketball players prime starts
I always said that Boston needs a true pg. A Rondo type point guard that can be floor general and distribute the ball
Your 100 percent correct.
Even russ
Trey young
You are correct
They need a point guard
True maybe Trae because Smart isn't really a PG
@@GQ-jv9uw Not Trae, just a guy who can handle the rock, promotes ball movement, and can run plays.
Marcus smart!!! Hello but i trade beown 4 #3 pick and lillard
Brown
@@plantbasedministries9233Isn't that Brogdon
Only reason to split is ego. How they don’t fit when they went to 3 straight ecf
Just because they win doesn't mean they don't have egos. Shaq and Kobe played together 8 years and won 3 straight championships, but eventually couldn't co-exist because of their egos. Not comparing them to Tatum and Brown but Brown playes like he believes he's the best player on the court and Tatum clearly plays like he knows he's the best. He said so himself. But you can't have your two best players battling for who's the best, because this is the end result you get.
@@haydennyagah706 the results isn’t because they were battling for who was better, it was because they have a rookie coach who got madly out coached.
All I’m saying is they fit together and only reason to split them is egos not play style. If they don’t have any egos then maybe
both of them their best position is SF. JB doesn't have guard handles and JT doesn't have PF size. He may do well vs most of the league but he's undersized vs premiere PFs like Giannis
@@bushido007 do you watch modern nba? 2-4 are basically the same position. Sg and sf are the same position in today’s league
@@Johenz they are the same against most teams but not all: when you play Bucks for example the 2 and 4 are not the same. JT cannot post up Giannis. JT is probably below league average in weight for the PF position.
The solution is to play JT at the 3 or to get a good PG then you can get a switch working. if you dont understand that then maybe YOU dont watch modern basketball...
Celtics have had 3 different coaches in 3 years.
I feel like the C’s messed up when they let go of the other coach. He pushed them boys and even took them out the game when they played bad
The other coach messed up using his power to harass a woman (don’t matter who she is), more then justified to fire Ime
@@DMalltheway Harass a woman? You mean the one who willing had an affair with him?
@@richspizzaparty Yeah harassing, I’ll say it 1000 more times. Don’t excuse his actions, your just as pathetic as he is.
They don't need to split them up. They need a true point/playmaker and leader. Doesnt have to be an all star but someone who can run an offense and hit open shots. Marcus Smart is not the guy
Agreed. Smart is a great player but would b better off the bench if they could find a PG that can play make in the pick and roll
its giving mario chalmers energy
Keep the core together, add better support
The biggest misconception is that Tatum and Brown are close in terms of who's the best player. It is clearly Tatum and has been for years and the player who can't be the guy on this team gotta which is Brown. Too expensive for a player with big issues in his game
Tatum and Brown are mirrors of each other. Both are inconsistent and have huge holes in their games. I’ve watched Boston the past 4 years in the playoffs and don’t see much difference between Brown/Tatum games. This isn’t a KD/Westbrook or LeBron/Dwade where one player is obviously better than the other(ie Kd And LeBron were undeniably the best player in their respective duo). Arguments can be made for either Brown or Tatum being the better player. Personally I would say Boston should keep Brown because he’s shown more leadership traits than Tatum and as bad as he was in Game7 has also been way more consistent than flaky Tatum
Exactly brown has awful handle and zero playmaking vision
I think Tatum is the best player between him and JB, but I wouldn't use the word clearly. Did you know Tatum's career average is 21.9 ppg and and Jaylen's is 17.9 ppg. Neither one of them are great defenders, but JT averages 2 more boards and 1 more assist. I actually agreed all the way with your comment, but then I said let me look up the numbers and I was surprised the numbers were closer than I thought.
@@WellWhyNot-lj8ufthat’s not true, brown is a much better at corner threes and that’s about it, can he be great at other things? Sure, but you don’t need two players iso when the game is close, Tatum is much better and shooting off the dribble and handles, the biggest issue is their shot selection and their ability to get good shots in clutch moments or during times where their trying to get back into the game
Where was this misconception when Tatum was shitting himself in the finals while brown was carrying?
The problem with the KD Westbrook analogy is I don’t think Brown has the ego Westbrook has. I think they are perfectly ok with your turn my turn type of style🤷🏾♂️
My turn your turn doesnt work. Thats the problem. Theres no clear leader and when things go left everybody tries to hard to be that Guy.
@@clarissagregory8445 oh i agree but they both just seem so passive that its almost like they dont see it as "im 1 he’s 2" but instead my turn your turn…which is why I don’t think ego will play a part in why they aren’t successful. The reality is they both play a similar style, are they willing playmakers yes but thats when everything is working in their favor other than that they are isolation players. It’s easier to defend a team when that ball isn’t moving, now will they beat you on just talent(Tatum and Brown) 75% of the time yes….but that other 25% when things aren’t going well the Celtics look awful
@@clarissagregory8445 wade and lebron did my turn your turn and still won
@@addster124 in year 1 they did and it indeed did not work year 2-4 Wade differed to LeBron and Wade got his whenever he needed to.
As always, the media looking to split duos to support their own narrative… it’s been the same for years now:
Kobe/Shaq,
Lebron/Kyrie
Durant/ Westbrook
Durant/ Kyrie
And now… JT/JB
They need to stay together
What everyone is failing to realize is, they’re having THIS much success, and NEITHER of the 2 are in their prime yet, Brown is getting there but TAtum still has like 2 - 3 seasons before he “peaks”
Yu can argue they already get it done, they just need that little “push”
That little push is their prime.
Galo comes back next year. Mazzulla comes back with more experienced coaching staff. This duo has atleast 1 more run before all this split them up talk
You don't split up talent... I think Boston needs a paint presence someone they can pass to in the paint and they can get quality looks from in pick and role nobody post up.. al shoots rob lobs and we need a mix of both. I'm interested in KAT
They was just in the finals last year & they talking bout it ain’t working 😂 what ?
It’s not easy to trade a talented player to get equal value. As soon a talent team loses the media is calling to break them up. The had a new coach right before training camp I don’t think they ever over come that challenge also losing Damon Stoudemire top assistance in the middle of the season was even more challenging. The team fall apart after Stoudemire departure. Before calling to break up a team look at the the entire chessboard.
They've lost 4 times and were the favorites and more talented team each time. Of course people are looking at them.
I don’t think it makes sense to split them up now they haven’t won a final, but they’ve been pretty close to the chance to win one. They need to make corrections. They are still young. Still got time , I say, keep them together.
The panels didn't address the issues . They need a point guard. Smart is more 2 guard.
They need someone to distribute the ball
Celtics just need a true point. Marcus smart is a huge offensive liability for the Celtics and he hasn't even been good on defense.
Exactly bro they need a pg like cp3 who can run there offense and get jb & Tatum open looks. They play iso ball a little too much when neither one of them have great handles.
If im Boston, im calling Portland and testing the waters on a trade for dame based around moving jaylen. He gives you the real pg you need and the veteran presence you need
bruh these Gen Z's are impatient. Even though Jalen and Jason did not went to Finals that does not mean they are a failure, there are many teams that spend so much money and did not get past first round or went to playoffs. The franchise should continue to build around them they are still young. as long they are in the Conference finals every year they are not a failure there are just missing pieces. I believe they will learn from this adversity which could lead them to the next level.
What do you mean impatient. What other team has been to 4 conference finals and a finals, with no championship to show for it
Udoka was a Rookie Head coach with leading experiences on various teams for numerous years we shouldn't have expected him to do the same with less. Heck the two Vital additions they made one addition hurt from gecho the other hurt post season when you need him the most to not have a gassed Marcus! Therefore, not giving him a chance to revaluate & galvanize his team with a winning mindset is so NOT fair! We have all seen coaches get worst results and have been kept far longer so JUST STOP!!! This is a completely new situation and the great thing is when you make a lot of mistakes you have A LOT you can learn from to be better! Even if he doesn't admit publicly!
If last night proved anything, it's that Brown is not capable of being a #1 option on a team. Sure, he could probably average well over 30 points a game if given the type of usage a #1 option gets, but he has some very obvious flaws that'll get exposed more if he gets his own team. His ball handling and shot selection is on the level of Michael Porter Jr. And MPJ is a good player, but everyone knows when he gets the ball, he's putting up a shot no questions asked. Brown is almost the exact same except when he does put the ball on the floor, he almost can never move the ball and makes stupid turnovers. He had 8 turnovers last night. That's only going to be magnified if he's the best player on your team.
So y we don’t bring up Tatum 100 to last playoffs and how he disappeared in the finals when brown was they best player? Tatum get 100 excuses and never gets blamed
They literally brought that up all of last year which is why brown thinks he is the better player
@@daa_97 He was better than Brown the entire season and playoffs until the finals, which proves he can be a #1. LeBron was terrible his first two finals, was he not capable of being a championship #1?
Neither one are capable of being #1 one. Brown carry them in Philly series.
The smirk on Ric's face when Emmanuel mentioned Westbrook thought he was better than KD
1st it was IT fault then kyrie then the terry rozier then Hayward then brad Stevans then Marcus smart now it’s jaylen brown turn and mvp candidate all nba 1st team jayson Tatum escapes blame again…
Jayson Tatum and jaylen brown are the best duo they are trying to figure out something but we should not separate them the belong together
This conversation is getting so fkn tiresome.
No one in their right mind would consider breaking this duo up, it’s basketball suicide.
1 game away from the finals. they win and conversation is 100 percent different. thats the problem with sports media. run it back.
The KD Westbrook break up wasn’t done by the Thunder. KD wanted to go to the Warriors, and his 2 rings and 2 finals MVPs proves it was the right decision for him. The Thunder have FOUR 1st round playoff exits since he left. I’m not sure the Celtic are looking to get on that path. They just need to change pieces around them.
That said if they were to try and move one. I’d try hitting up the Raptors for Jaylen Brown & Marcus Smart for Scottie Barnes or Pascal Siakam & OG Anunoby. Then try an add like a Jaxson Hayes in free agency.
Yea but if they just won this game the talk would be different, people flip flop so easily. I am saying to be patient, they are still young I wouldn't give Jaylen the max I'd try to give him less
Well that’s the point. If they win the title last year or this year, ownership might be more willing to pay both of em
I wouldn't break it up..I would get a traditional point guard.. Start Williams ...Create scenes that highlights the players skill set..play hard nose Defense..this is a good team..I'd make Suttle changes
2 top scorers(wings) have never worked in the modern history of basketball.
If one is not a point forward, it’s never worked. I’m surprised this has worked as good as it has.
never break them up unless they start becoming a bust. you dont want to play the what if game when you have players of that level. people still play what if with okc even me. you got two talented players get a coach who actually knows what to say and what to do to push them to the next level. imagine if Coach Spo had them both. Both smart/udoka were the leader, idk what happen this year
They need to get another coach, possibly the one who knows to make adjustments. Mazzula's press conference after game 7 loss tells you all you need to know about the guy. I like the Heat but there's no way they win the series if Celtics have a competent coach.
Question is who do you even get for Brown or Tatum. Because if i'm keeping one of them i want a big to pair with my wing player. Is KAT the answer? If not then what Lillard? But you already have 3 guards on the roster who play almost the same position.
There is no need to break them up.
These breakup narratives and storylines annoy me but realize it’s tv. Like, how are you going to get better with JB leaving? HOW
Acho you can't make someone a leader. Either they are or there not.
This is why they aren't managers of a team. The Boston Celtics against 8U eastern conference Finals every other year almost since Jayson Tatum and jaylen Brown were paired together. At 19 + 20. Tatum it is barely twenty-five. They were just in the finals last year. And they have had three coaches each of the last three years. And yet I have so much talent between the two they still get at least that far.
And he woke up this morning and thought you know what the Boston Celtics should do they should follow in the footsteps of Oklahoma City thunder.
Ok you know what?
No more takes for you for the next week.
Yes these talk shows hosts are just clowns making bad takes because the Celtics did better than their home town teams. OKC got WORSE after splitting up their two superstars. These clowns on TV want to remove the Celtics as a threat to make things easier for Heat, 76ers, Bucks, etc.
How many years did Pippen and Jordan lose? A lot. Give em time. They aren’t even in their primes yet!
Udoka was the right coach he just couldnt keep his pants up
If you replace Jaylen Brown with Desmond Bane the Celtics would have won finals this year. And I’m not saying Bane is better than Jaylen at all. But Celtics are lacking a pure shooter like bane
THIS 2023 NBA FINALS MATCH UP BETWEEN MIAMI HEAT AND DENVER NUGGETS REMINDS ME OF THE 2004 NBA FINALS MATCH UP BETWEEN DETROIT PISTONS AND LA LAKERS WERE THE LAKERS IS THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE CROWN LIKE TODAY AS DENVER NUGGETS IS ALSO THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE CROWN....
Yeah but Denver doesn't have the off court distractions between their 2 best players.
Hey, dun be sour grapes. Denver Nuggets is a far better team than Heat and Boston. Denver Nuggets should win unless _____ the rumours are not mere rumours but reality. EV wrote: THIS 2023 NBA FINALS MATCH UP BETWEEN MIAMI HEAT AND DENVER NUGGETS REMINDS ME OF THE 2004 NBA FINALS MATCH UP BETWEEN DETROIT PISTONS AND LA LAKERS WERE THE LAKERS IS THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE CROWN LIKE TODAY AS DENVER NUGGETS IS ALSO THE FAVORITE TO WIN THE CROWN....
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Ain't no need to break them up. If it ain't broke don't fix it
These takes are crazy they not going anywhere they will keep grant Williams as well
Another case of a show creating a narrative that they have no proof or whatsoever lol. Tatum clearly said he wants Brown back so where is Acho getting his info that there is a battle for the leadership of the team smh
Who gets rid of talent thats asking to lose
I don't see the need. They have a great team. Neither are competing with one another. The heat were HOT not better. They bout to get smoked
So how they supposed to keep the team in tact with both of em getting paid
@@dominiquerobinson8888 if they want to win together restructure
Bruh I’ve never seen a duo that actually has success be told they should break up, since they’ve both been in the league they only missed the conference finals twice, 2019,2021 every other year they are the last four teams left, let’s not forget that they’ve had to deal with kyrie, kemba, Hayward, all coming in and trying to make it work. As well as having 3 coaches in 3 years, they haven’t had a consistent coach during their careers. Maybe the issue is as simple as having a coach to its with them
@@jonstangerjazz9188 that’s a casual way of thinking, making the conference finals is not easy, in fact besides the warriors no team
Or player has made it to the conference finals more than Tatum and brown since 2018 so if that’s not success than no one is successful
That's because the conference finals stopped being the standard for success last year. The last two years they've had the experience, roster, and talent as a duo, and the injury breaks against teams who may have potentially beat them to win championship. When OKC blew that 3-1 lead there were talks of if they should stay together. Plus the talks of them breaking up become even more of a topic considering that you have to pay both of them. Part of the reason they were able to make so many conference finals is that the Celtics had the luxury of not having to pay either the supermax.
@@dominiquerobinson8888 OKC blew things up and look what that got them. OKC would have been better off keeping their two superstars. You people never learn. Breaking up 2 superstars to only have 1 superstar does not equal more success, it equals LESS success.
@@SO-jp6gh We also saw how top heavy teams like the Nets and Lakers last year played without the right supporting pieces. Plus Tatum and Brown aren't even "superstars". As the celtics you couldn't win a championship when you were able to put great support around them. How are they supposed to win now when they are getting paid 600 million and might potentially have less of a balanced team?
Always this stupid take. They lost because they didn't had an answer for the Heat zone defense, their 3's were not falling and Jason had a bad ankle. And not to talk about a young headcoach who took them so far(maybe that's the max fir this year) So next year bring more variation in their attack, more mid range offense and plays Williams more.
They acted like they didn’t know how to dribble , they need a real point guard , START PLAYING REAL BASKETBALL jayson Tatum can’t dribble his crossover are a disgrace to wide and literally the ball is right in front of the defender SWIPE
@@adr3naline23 they have White and Brigdon. In this series and especially game 7, that was not the problem. Mazulla didn't find a way to cancel the zone defence of the heat. And he is a young coach, so maybe next season they should bring at least 1 veteran coach to their staff.
@@juliomartis2906 After game6 I was going to say something about the Celtics should prepare 48hrs for the Heat zone defense that I expect will come in game7.
Biggest piece of _____. You the writer paying for Luxury tax to surround JB and JT [who eat up USD 120 mil cap space] with good 2nd and 3rd tier players??? No good 2nd and 3rd tier players are coming to Boston for peanuts. Probably, you the writer are prepared to get peanuts. But you aint NBA Player. So be truthful, analytical and transparent. Previous Message : You cannot break up the law firm. What they need is one more player and one more rebounder/defender...
Ocho was spot on with his take. I’ve been saying it for years. It has to be someone’s team and Jaylen thinks he’s the guy. Tatum is too passive to take over because of Jaylen.
I disagree, they should keep both for next year at least. Go another year with Mazzulla.
There are 2 types of leaders, vocal and by example. Pick and choose
Trading tatum is flat out stupidity
Funny how these Jokers don't even mention Malcolm Brogdon , the guy that was supposed to be that Distributing PG and Final Piece that could Shoot that the Celtics needed . He was basically non existant in the Playoffs this season .
The problem is Smart and Horford are Bottom Five In Multiple Categories as NBA Players . They were the Weak Links of this Celtics Team .
If the Lakers and Celtics were Smart ? They would Swap AD and Tatum Straight up . Brown and AD would make more Sense . I'm sure Lebron would love to have a SG that was as Talented as Tatum instead of Chasing a Head Case Diva like Kyrie in Free Agency .
You cannot break up the law firm. What they need is one more player and one more rebounder/defender...
Biggest piece of _____. You the writer paying for Luxury tax to surround JB and JT [who eat up USD 120 mil cap space] with good 2nd and 3rd tier players??? No good 2nd and 3rd tier players are coming to Boston for peanuts. Probably, you the writer are prepared to get peanuts. But you aint NBA Player. So be truthful, analytical and transparent. Previous Message : You cannot break up the law firm. What they need is one more player and one more rebounder/defender...
Dumbest plan imaginable unless a true clear-cut leader becomes available. I'm just not sold on Tatum as the leader of the team. Maybe if Dame or POSSIBLY Embiid become available. They should definitely make a run on Trae, cp3 or Draymond too.
Bottom line: they need stability including at the coaching position. Give Joe one more year to deal with the composure and motivation problem and let the players get comfortable with their coach.
Hopefully that embarrassment humbled them and they are ready to learn.
You can't compare these two dudes to Russ and KD, because Russ and KD were an All-Time great scoring duo, went against All-time great teams and lost because of injuries every single season to a key piece. It's not even close to the same level of player in either regard, because no one is putting Jalen Brown or Tatum anywhere near their top-25 players, like Russ and KD.
Way too many people are comfortable with just being possible, how many times you gotta watch them not come through before trying to switch it up you’ve changed almost everything around these two but these two. Leadership and chemistry has been an issue for like 3 years straight
Exactly. How are you flexing losing 4-5 years on the biggest stages?
Give us Brown & we give you Dlo & some picks.
- Rob Pelinka.
I told my lil bro who is a Celtics fan before they won game 6 I said if they lose this series they are gone get broke up now this on speak come about I believe often time's because you are of the same caliper but slightly better than your team mate that you have to go a separate way & become your own man on another team while your partner than began to take over that team fully.... But at one point of time I thought Al Horford was that leader I guess since he has gotten older now he has thrown that out the window.
Damien Lillard explain it the best. This "RING ERA" has changed the NBA so much. They're technically not even in their prime yet & already considered as one of the best young duos ever. They have the collective stats. All they need is the ring & y'all want to break them up this early together?? They can't help the fact that they were going to the ECF as rookies & sophomores. Give them time without the pressure of "ring or break up". They will win won before they turn 29 & 28.
“Udonis Haslem” for the Miami heat! . He doesn’t play 1 second! But he knows what and how to talk to these “younger” players!
Acho reaching with the JT/JB comparison to Russel/KD. Jaylen knows it's JT's team while Russel felt he was the best player. Now I'm sure in an honest moment Jaylen feels he's the best player on the team, but my point is he doesn't play like that and he respects Tatum's position as the leader. With all that said I think they still need to break up that team. Go figure lol
Who cares who the best player is, just be the best TEAM!
I truly try to support this show and not criticize. Acho always sounds like he's doing open mic night at a poetry bar and I can't hear him any other way.
The dou isn't the problem. They have a very small team and in the playoffs teams are not only a lot bigger but a lot more skilled. The other problem they have is their 3rd scoring option is not their 3rd option - it should be Brogdan and it is smart and when smart is your 3rd option that is not good. It should be Tatum/Brown/Brogdon and after that I'd say White and or Horford then Smart, and Smarts only in that place because he is on the court long enough do to defense prowes. The fact is the Celtics aren't as stacked as people think. They have 5 hoopers/ballers (tatum/brown/prichard/white) and the 3rd don't play and the 4th goes off when he wants to (rarely) but the fact is there are over a dozen teams in the league that have more hoopers than the Celtics. they just have a large number of players who are better than average 3-point shooters and when the hoopers are going off the team outshoots other teams. THE FACT IS THEY NEED A RESHUFFLE AND THE DOU ISN'T THE PROBLEM!!!
They have the best depth : Booker n kd, Bron n AD, jokic n Murray , woukd all win with that great Celtics support
@@khalxd1991 I don't know were you get your ideas from but they are ludacris. First off teh celtics are so small if Brooker was on that team they would be even smaller and would get killed, especially since Brooker doesn't play defense unlike Brown or Tatum and KD plays defense when he wishes unlike Brown and Tatum. Bron n AD add size and AD would make them better interior but but Brown and Tatum are better for ball roation them then 2 and having all those above 3 point shooters having stars that don;t hold the ball is key and they are worse shooters than both Celtics SO NO... and Jokic and Murrey are worse defenders then both of them though as far as scoring it would be about even and passing would be about even as I'd say Murray is the worse passer out of all 4... THE DOU IS NOT TH EPROBLEM THE PROBLEMS AS I STATED 1. they are way to small as a team 2. they have less skilled players scoring more points than other more skilled offensive players though it is an odd situation because smart scores so much because his defense allows him to be on the court so much 3. they have many above average 3 point shooters but many teams have more hoopers than them...
Jaylen gives up the ball and disappears all the time…Tatum starts slow so brown takes charge because he has motor from the start…it’s the players around smart/ Al need a real center paint points
Crazy to me how people will say draymond green is the leader but the actual players always call Steph their leader…if you put brown in a good situation I think he can help a team win a championship Tatum so far that clutch part needs to be seen from him
Give jaylen brown 5 years 295 million dollars and Jason Tatum 5 years 318 million dollars 💰
How did OKC fear? U think Boston want to end up like OKC.. Cmon ppl
They just need to add a vet and a tru pg
It ain’t always coaching with them. Turnovers and bad shot selection always been the problem no matter the coach. They did it under Brad, Under Ime, and now Under Joe. It’s the players not the coaches
🙋♀️ all y’all wrong.. keep them boys together, good problem to have
Naw they don’t need to break up
They just need to define their role
Tatum needs to be Jordan
Brown needs to defensive minded while getting his as the 2nd option
But that takes letting go of your egos
This is why u don’t listen to the media great teams like the sours were great cuz they stuck together no changes was made
Brogdon was brought in to become more of a floor general but obviously it didn't go that way. Was still a pivotal piece. That being said, they really need a true floor general. Healthy Lonzo would have been perfect. They also need to go back to having the defense as their identity & stop falling in love with the 3pt. They're deadly whenever they're consistently acting the rim. Especially JT. Lastly, they need a big who can score in the paint & outside consistently. Someone that teams have to worry about. Horford is too old & Williams needs help down there.
Here the Commentators are truth-speaking
Yup they should've broke up Curry and Klay. Jordan and Pippen, this is crazy. They need a point guard.
i disagree with 1 thing, i feel like tatum knows hes the best player on the team
JB needs to humble a little more because it is clear his game has more athleticism however, he slightly has a lesser skill set! JT can Facilitate way better and play 2 to 4 may be even a small ball center as he is now taken a step to be more aggressive on the boards. JB is the better athlete that can play 2/3 they are a very good duo!
They solid
Trade Tatum he says😂😂😂
You guys are nuts… your not breaking up these two guys!!! But other players do got to go, Marcus smart needs to go for sure and more trades need to happen
Acho is right I think these two will be better apart
Three coaches in three years? Has anybody thought about that? How about holding the Celtics accountable for getting rid of Ime? This take is far too superficial. The Heat has had the same GM and Coach for how many years?
They were thrown from the loop they were in (that being No cuddle) and had to go another direction with someone fresh and completely new to how in head coaching a super talented NBA team! This was his first year managing talent, egos and not to mention emotional & injury hurdles from the start all the way to the very game to take you back to where you was with an extremely depleted coaching staff! The situation was setup for him to fail, now if he didn't WIN as much regular season games and was a third seed or lower we wouldn't be harping on him but he as a completely new coach over achieved (not the players)!
I finally heard Jason Brown JB's the best player on that team breaking up for what give somebody else to Vonage
It all depends on who you can get and you need a guy with that certain mindset
They need a couple of new PG BIG PG's! that can score keep both together I agree that Tatum would bring more to the team than brown in a deal, but Tatum can score like Kobe did capable of 40 or 50 on any night not even in his prime yet, Brown on another team is a top 5 talent, so who knows what's going to happen go get Damon Lill If you want to win with draft picks and redo the bench in a salary dump to add Lill
Russ was not better off with a stripped team. Durant threw dirt in his engine.
Russ was about to win MVP that year even if Durant stayed
One game away from the finals
If they can get a PG, a Horford substitute and a knockdown shooter, I say yes. Brown and Tatum are too similar.
Man How that guy say that he would move tatum, crazy