exactly ya'll spot on point everyone just seeem to only think biggie was hatin or didn't have real luv for pac @ that wasn't the case pac did all this shit with suge to bring them bad vibes around !
The Art of Dialogue is so good at conducting old school hop hop interviews that they are able to talk about the same subject 80% of the time whilst still keeping us all entertained. There's too many other hip hop platforms out there whose hosts are so corny and irritating. No one does it better than these guys. Thank you for all your content, and what's coming in the future.
From a 1999 article: "There is something genuinely comforting about walking into Quad Recording Studios after leaving the hustle of 7th Avenue ten floors below. The wood is worn and warm, the rooms are generally spacious by New York standards, and the vibe reflects the sense of creative fun and down-home work ethic of the five-room facility’s owner, Lou Gonzalez. Make no mistake, Quad is Lou Gonzalez. He will speak freely and humbly of his stellar staff and the talented people he “has the opportunity to work with,” but the comfort level begins at the top. Born in Queens, Gonzalez “ran away” to work on a farm in Maine. He milked cows, baled hay and learned to drive on a Farm-All tractor, pulling a hay wagon. After getting an EE degree at the University of Maine, he returned to New York and engineered for radio. Stints as a staff engineer, Broadway engineer and jack-of-all-trades maintenance tech followed, and 22 years ago he opened Quad as a one-room facility, largely financed by a Sesame Street album"
Seems to me like Pac was warned to watch the guys he was moving with and when he got hit,he expected BIG to inherit his beef and ride for him cause it's his city 🙅🏾♂️🙅🏾♂️ nah I warned and you acted like you knew what you was doing.My personal opinion is that he felt more betrayed that BIG wouldn't apply pressure for him or crash out for him rather than actually blaming him for setting him up
Puffy own bodyguard said when Who Shot Ya came out, EVERYONE thought it was about Pac. Son did some shady shit with his boss and got punished for it on wax 🤷🏽♂️
@@rafaelmuniz5467 yeah a beef almost broke out after pac told them what biggie said they was gonna be on biggie ass until puff had to pay them off to leave big alone
Not only did Mike warn Pac he still friends with them Treach also remained friends with them bit for some reason 2Pac chose to say Biggie had knowledge of what was gonna happen when Big is the guy that didn't really fuck with those dudes
@@rafaelmuniz5467 Team Pac all day. But can't imagine all the pressure BIG felt (early 20s) from Jack and them. No wonder BIG didn't warn Pac again that night in Quad. RIP PAC RIP BIG
2pac thought he was that guy. extortion? fuck you! but he probably thought his rapper buddies (live squad, biggie) would back him. they punked out and even started jumping ship and making fun of him when shit got thick. they didn't want it with some real street dudes over some other rapper.
Because biggie was Tupac’s close friend and he felt betrayed by him, lil Shawn was just some nigga that pac was goin to do a song for , pac didn’t know him like that, but Tupac did diss lil Shawn in a song called him vs her or sum like that with storm
@@zone6eastside672 Biggie was the same friend that told him to be careful with his affiliations admitted by Pac himself so nah miss me with that if somebody shoots me im not gonna take it out on people that had nothing to do with it im going right at the cats that did it also if we talk about who would be guilty of setting up someone I would believe that the artist that was meant to record with me would be on the top of the list with Jimmy not my friend who had no idea I was going to the studio
@@MoonwalkerKing-gc5jm bruh I’m just goin off on what Tupac said it ain’t got nun to do on how I “feel” about the situation so miss me with yo opinion about it , I wasn’t around back then
The irony of Biggie telling Tupac to be mindful of his surroundings in NYC, because its a not like Cali... Someone should have told Tupac the same shit about Cali.
Actually Ice-T did warn Pac about not getting into gang shit. Pac didnt listen though. Ice-T told this in an interview. But im pretty sure more LA OG's warned Pac about it.
It’s Tupac. He was too reckless and his death is his own fault. It sucks because he was talented but he brought upon his own demise. No one’s fault but his own.
@@pcangeldust PAc got everyone who he did wrong, talking the truth about the real pac who was just a theatrical sensitive liar. He caused lives to be lost because of his ignorance towards our culture. Even his own family exposed him. Biggie was not grimey or snakish like pac was and even suge was getting tired of him. LOL
@@rafaelc9299 PAc should have never released Agaisnt All odd dissing Biggies friend Stretch who was dead. The LA freestyle was 8 days before Biggie was murdered which was instigated by Sway. Biggie was killed by a professional hitman in kahoots with the LAPD. The FBI has that case still open.
5:10 Art got quiet real quick thats what happens when you gloss over contradictions, Art also left out the part in Sway's interview in which Pac literally said Biggie warned him about those guys yet he didnt say Pac said that he changed it in to a question "is it true Biggie warned him?" When the majority of the time when Pac says something he always says "Well Pac said", "Well Pac felt" notice how he didnt say Pac said that because he knew it would contradict Pac own statements that he told prior in that same interview cmon now Art stop the bias because while Cease is trying to deflect on alot of shit atleast he dosent seem like he is looking to attack Pac if anything he wants to move on and respect the memory of both of them while Art is just looking to make Biggie the villain this is not an interview bruh this looks like a bias interrogation and a prosecution combined 🙄🙄
Exactly 😒 how and when did Pac and Big have this convo about the quad studios shooting.. dude is beating a dead horse at this point and I don’t see what other subjects he could ever cover after dedicating and investigating “Def Row” as much as he has
I must’ve heard and seen this story re-enacted a thousand times now and it finally donned on me that Big didn’t set Pac up. I mean, why would he send his man Cease to meet Pac downstairs knowing Pac was about to get stuck up? Better yet, why the f**k would Big let it be known that they were at Quad Studio the same night that they allegedly knew Pac was about to get robbed when their whole code or whatever is “Bad boys move in silence.” Let it go, y’all. Big had nothing to do with this. Case closed
If you notice Tupac and his defenders always talk about how Tupac felt. Everything was how he felt at the time. Which means he didn't care if what he felt was wrong or not. He just acted and spoke without facts. Just feelings. In the Angie Martinez interview she asked Pac if he ever did anything wrong. "I did a lot of shit wrong. Probably half the sh it I did is wrong. I believe in my heart I was doing it for the right reasons. It might turnout wrong. Only reason is because I aint had no training." Yet these stans want to take Tupac words/feelings as the gospel. A young and wild dude constantly smoking weed and being paranoid.
@@Wiseone123 Are you really trying compare Biggie saying he thinks someone trying to kill him vs Tupac going on rampages against people because he felt like this or that was (not that it was) true?🤣🤣🤣 Typical illogical Tupac stan shit.🤷♂️
According to the questions ,It seems like the art of dialogue blame BIG for Pac demised The questions are extremely biased More like an interrogation instead of an interview
From Tupac stepbrother to Treach from naughty by nature they all say Tupac overreacted towards BIG by blaming him. I'm sorry to tell the art of dialogue that Tupac did and said a lot of dumb shit in 96
@@cojack636 Pac knew the guys that shot him and he use to hang out with them, after the altercation, they let it be known they were the one who try to rob him . He continue with that nonsense blaming biggie because the East Coast West Coast beef was generated a lot of money for death row a lot of record sale was based of the East Coast and West Coast beef.
@@cojack636 Biggie told his mother that he ran into to Tupac before he died and told him" yo, chill! what's up with you? stop it" Tupac replied yo "I'm trying to make my money man"
You and every body should have know watch out who you mess with you're not untouchable I don't care how tough you are you can be touched no matter how bad you are always someone better
Pac was saying in interviews if big is the king of ny or in the streets/Brooklyn he would know something beforehand or after to tell him. Or ride for him
He warned Pac about who he was running around with! Lil Shawn said BIG was robbed for telling Pac about who he was running with because Pac went back and mentioned what Big told him. I love Pac as a fan, but maybe out of him being so young he did alot of foul reckless shit towards BIG.
Big started shit too by getting on the radio in NYC sending threats, when the dogg pound was there and there trailer got shot up in NYC @jaykristian745 Both pac and big made mistakes
oh thats what he said? so he a baby and need someone to watch out for him? a MAN take accountability for his own actions. REAL MEN dont cry and play victim when their own actions bring consequences. KNOW THE DIFFERENCE before you follow an entertainment artist with complete loyalty or you'll look like a fool
@@gnarlydude2419 he took accountability for what happen. it doesn't make you a baby or less of a man, if you have friends and family looking out for you/giving you advice. Nobody done it alone.
@@TRILLTALKTV no he didnt take accountability. you think dry snitching is taking accountability? whats your problem? the homie started dry snitching immediately. implicating dudes immediately. what gangsta do that? turning on your homies because you embarrassed. do you know how WEAK that is? you supposed to stand tall and take it on the chin and then if you ever see them fools again, then you let em know that they made a huge mistake. you dont break down like a little girl and start crying about who didnt ...what is he a man or a little boy? you came to NY on ya ish, and you had on ya jewels, and you was flexing like you usually do, drawing attention to yourself because thats what you do, so you made yourself a target. nobody else did that you!! now you wanna blame everybody else because you think this aint supposed to happen to "a thug". that tells you right there that he aint no thug!!!!! because EVERY thug will tell you that ANYBODY can get caught pissin in the alley sort of speech. c'mon man all that crying? somehow yall equate that with being gangsta. i dont get it! lol im over here laughin like crazy because i dont see where crying like a bich made you a gangsta. i dont know. and he dry snitchin???? im lost dog. sad thing is, BIG remained that man true friend til he couldnt anymore and all BIG get is disrespect from all you pac fans, and the reason for that is because PAC made it that way by poisoning the well. everytime he talked he wanna diss BIg so all yall know how to do is diss BIG. BIG was cool. PAC was on the bull ish. but Pac had to find out the hard way. BIG got hit from jealousy and conspiracy. Pac got himself killed from starting bull ish with the wrong person
They forgot cell phones weren't abundant at that time, also. They didn't set Pac up. Pac was arguing with Jimmy before they got to the studio about payment, and the fact he was talking slick. Pac knew who had a movie made on him...
@@longisland5161 Ron G said he was going to meet that bitch Jimmy henchmen and get $7,000 to be featured on Lil Shawn and if he didn’t have his money he was going to bounce. Big L was in the studio with them before he left . lil Shawn talk about. Tupac even made a this song about lil Shawn
Cease is being truthful but he’s also being too measured with his words. I want someone like D-Doc or C-Gutta to tell the story in a way where they don’t worry about offending the other side.
Cease ain't measuring over offending the other side lol! LIL sleaze is measuring what he says because the nika still roams around BK so he needs to watch who he talks about. He lies about the story in order to avoid pissing off the same folks that got at Pac.
Lil cease is a real one! Thank God him, faith, Kim & all the real one still alive to set the record straight cause this media getting everybody brainwashed from the truth!
nobody is brainwashed from any truth, it was some funny business going on with big and puff and that whole badboy camp, and pac knew it, that's why he called them out💯
Big had nothing to do with it nor any prior knowledge. Pac even blamed the A-team at one point, but it was Jimmy Henchmen. Henchmen nor Haitian Jack had no connection with the A-team accept being from Brooklyn, but they were from East NY and Jack and Henchmen were from Flatbush. Pac was just paranoid getting bad information, he was even blaming King Tut, who was booked at the time. But I believe he knew Big had nothing to do with it but was an easy target. He didn't go at the real culprits until he had Deathrow and the Pirus behind him
Wrong: Pac was pissed at the fact that BIG ran in the same circles as the niggas who did it(Henchmen's crew or Haitian Jack's from what I read) and didn't tell Pac who was involved after it went down. The truth is Pac was very impulsive and use those guys as character study for his role as "Birdie" in Above The Rim. BIG may have warned him perhaps, but the Brooklyn/East NY connection between all of those guys just made everything look suspect
@@elijahstraight402 Biggie did not hang out with Haitian Jack or Jimmy. He knew who they were tho!! Mike Tyson grew up and hung out with them. Mike warned PAC about them too. Pac did not listen. Mike is still friends with Jack and Tut till this day. And it’s bugged out that Pac died after a Mike Tyson fight.
@@elijahstraight402 what you read 😑. Bro Pac was going off bad rumors Big wasn’t running with Jack or Henchmen those were OGs almost 10 years older than him and from a different part of Brooklyn. Henchmen may have been trying to press Puff to do business, but Puff had some get busy boys around him. Pac got hit because he wasn’t very streetwise unfortunately, he was from the ghetto but moved around too much to be entrenched in one particular culture because politics are different everywhere. Big tried to warn him about how grimy some BK cats can be but Pac didn’t listen
@@oredi2159 How would you know? We're you part of either of their inner circles? I got off what I've read and researched unfortunately because I didn't know anyone who were associated with Henchmen or Haitian Jack. More or less anyone outta their crew. I said Big knew guys that knew both of THEM. That's what I meant about BIG running in the same circles as both gangstas. Granted he tried to warn Pac because Pac wasn't aligned with either of them
Pac was a Gemini, generally Geminis don't get too overly emotional but with Pac not having a stable father figure present and being raised by a single mother( stepfather in prison ) Pac seemed to go on feelings rather than facts and was highly emotional which can cloud ones judgment. I know, because as a man I've had episodes to where my judgment was questionable being I was being emotional rather than calm and rational; I'd have to check myself after the fact or be checked.
Maybe I misspoke on that Quad situation. Maybe Pac was right about Cease and Bigg being in on it. Up until the Quad incident Bigg and Pac were still cool but Pac and Puff had tension beneath the surface.
Wait a minute, 2pac literally says in his sway interview he gets in the elevator and everyone upstairs looked at him like he was a ghost! He said sway I can’t describe it you have to experience it for your self! So what is cease saying we only saw him downstairs but then says heard shots upstairs then big went down then the police came the scenario doesn’t make sense!
I'm good with all the stories but why did it take so long for all of these interviews. I was 25 when both of these legends died, and man if we all knew then what we know now it would have been very enlightening.
I think fans of it made an effort. Vlad and Art of dialog were pioneers of that effort. They studied it, and figured who and what to ask, then got more info then figured out more food what to ask to whom.
Bruh great question.. here’s the answer same reason pac didn’t mention it .. jimmy henchman was a serious threat … everyone knew even pac knew … bcuz his man stretch came and told him what Jimmy henchman said but pac knew not to play with dude so he blamed big .. flex .. Clark Kent they all talking now bcuz Jimmy henchman behind bars for life and is no longer a threat .. that’s why you’re hearing the total truth now
He also lied about Biggie quote " Was downstairs for almost 15 - 20 minutes". All that drama when Pac got shot while big was down stairs for 15 minutes??? You mean the Stick Up kids had enough time to eat McDonalds and nap before peeling out?? Lol! He than goes on to say nn Vladtv that he only heard one shot which was the Pac inflicted on himself. Here he says Nino heard " shots" not a shot when heading downstairs at Quad. Buttttt I get it.....Lil Sleaze is still willing to lie which is precisely what pissed off Pac back than when he said these nikkaz is doing the detective work by saying he only got shot once. No one at Quad wanted to appear as a Dry snitcher because they know additional shots heard implies more guns, more shooters, etc.. other at a crime scene. So imagine some dudes just took your life after getting shots several times and the people you know say otherwise. All this while u in jail and being falsely accused of rape. Puff could've bailed out Pac just like Suge did. You think he gave a damn? Lol!
I never was much a Biggie fan but the more I wast his these interviews the more I realise that Big was more gangta than PAC was. PAC is still my favourite rapper of all time but I can’t help wondering why he didn’t put the blame on the other guy he was scheduled to record with that day as well? The other artist knew Pac would be at Quad for sure but PAC never questioned the other artist’s innocence in the whole thing!
@@6thbr871 😂😂Definitely! Was kinda bxtchmade to finger Big like that knowing full well that Jimmy and them were behind it all! Still love Pac but I’m lookin at him funny after this epiphany
Pac wasn't going there to meet lil caes, he was going there to record a song with a dude named lil Shawn, in a different studio. Lil caes and lil Shawn didn't know each other and weren't there together
its 2022 and people still dont know tupac was born in harlem and grew up in the bronx on 183st walton ave i wonder why tupac wasnt telling ny dudes he grew up there...he mustve felt out of place coming back home after being gone.
@@UrbanMaxxTV no, He left when he was 15.. He called Himself MC New York when he went first was rapping, He said countless times I AM FROM NEW YORK and he said I missed New York in his Angie Marteniz interview. He spent most of his life in New York and grew up in New York. He got family in Queens also. Pac was New York dude and had swag and flow of New Yorker
Funny, People love staying denial Pac aka MC New York is from NYC.. He being from NYC and growing up to Hip hop in BX is why he was a lethal Mc. He literally missed New York one of his friends said when he was in LA in 1996, he was suppose to come back and make peace with Biggie
Tupac is definitely a NY dude at heart, but Pac explained himself that he really got his game from Oakland. I think that's what made Pac so unique. NY mentality with game from The Bay and Southern California beats.. lethal combination.
I don't think biggie knew but the fact he warned 2pac about the dudes he was hanging with I can understand why 2pac felt there was something big did know about the overall situations.
🤣🤣 you biggie Stans are ignorant af…after pac died your man damn near admits to knowing about both shootings on long kiss good night …but I guess you’ll take lil cease ‘s word for it that it wasn’t about Pac right ? which contradicts himself when he admitted in XXl that long kiss was about PAC🤦🏾♂️ Big and puffy were snakes who thought they were bad boys who “move in silence”
I love big but im a bigger Pac fan still I feel Pac got that shit wrong & Lil Cease definitely don't have anything to do with that. He speaking from his hart people need to stop stressing him about Quad man he was a little kid then not a major Jimmy Henchmen Hatian Jack or Alpo type of major slimy guy man. Let that be now.
@@alpha-boss It’s true that Tupac carried his own guns and had to carry the weight for that anyway due to strict Nyc gun laws It’s also true that Pac got a slap on the wrist considering all the hollering he was doing and only getting 18 months …of which he only did 11
Pac was born and raised in NYC he didn't need anyone to tell him about the politics in NY he knew who shot him he was just putting most of the blame on biggie because he was a more easier Target
Pac wasn't always in NYC, despite being born there. He moved to California in 1988, and he wasn't fully aware of how street dudes moved in NYC after that.
@@intenseninja82 there is a video out of pac walking around with NYC dudes talking about his old neighborhood and high school pac spent a lot of time in NYC to know what was up in NYC in fact he knew more new york then he knew LA
Why isn’t the blame Biggie energy shifted towards Lil Shawn. He was the person who Tupac actually came to do a song with. But you know why y’all don’t say nothing about Lil Shawn..Cause he a nobody. But y’all choose to talk about Biggie rather than Lil Shawn cause Biggie is considered one of the greats. That’s why Tupac chose to blame Biggie anyway. Blaming Lil Shawn for what happened would’ve did nothing for his career. So he chose to blame his man who he knew was upcoming and on fire for whatever reason lol.
jimmy henchman set that shit up about a day or two before the shooting pac was talking crazy to jimmy henchman than jimmy had that shit setup alot of people dont know this
@@MonstrMash123458943 facts but the person who needed to know, knew what was gon happen beforehand that’s why he was strapped in the first place. Ain’t nobody walking around New York City(Midtown Manhattan to be exact) with a pistol on them for no reason. Rapper or not🤷🏾♂️
Makes me wonder how things would've turned out between Pac and Big if Cease hadn't seen Pac coming into the building. I don't think Pac would've come at Big as he did.
True bro, Big would still be alive..one spilt second can change everything and be a domino effect in life..I mean shit, something as little as Nino saying "come on Cease its cold as fuck out here, let's get back inside" would have changed everything
@@quandadon5882 if you listen to what Pac said He said "I asked Big what happened, and biggie said I LL TELL YOU WHEN I COME SEE YOU, and pac replied no tell me" This shows pac and biggie werent speaking face to face as biggie said I WILL COME SEE YOU So it could have been a phone call Its the interview where Pac says he said to biggie "what happened"
Lil cease story is believable. If what he said is true about talking to 2Pac from the balcony, then lil cease, kept his word to meet 2Pac. That, and them poiting their guns at lil cease, means he didnt know and didnt set him up. Puffy maybe, but lets clear about Lil Cease. Also, lil Cease story doesnt change at least from the inteviews of the past year.
They didn't find Pac guilty and why didn't BIG show up when he was locked up and why would BIG say watch your surroundings as if Pac doesn't know NYC dude is literally from NYC give me a break, but I don't think BIG set him up I think Puff did, BIG may have known what was going on though that night.
You're right Gene Deal said jimmy henchman told Andre harell and puff that he was gonna spank pac, but I can see the confusion pac figured if puff knew Big had to
Alot of people say Big and Pac 2 of the best rappers yet all these videos are about their beef and murders....shame thats all people want to talk about of the 2 greates hip hop stars. Thats like only talkin about Kobes helicopter crash not about any of his achievements on the court....
@@DontTestMeAtall it's wrong for me tell white people about their history towards black people, although they never owned any slaves. Its wrong to teach the youth about moving a certain way?
@Bruce Dragon1000 - there is nothing wrong with educating the current and upcoming generation about how to move but your energy is solely on Tupac's wrongs when clearly both young men (Tupac and BIG) made terrible mistakes. Trying to absolve one from guilt is a mark of stupidity from any fan even if you have your favourite or otherwise. Their optimum greatness was tied to their death as unfortunate as that sounds. Let's leave both to RIP without denegration. Saying PAC was feminine etc doesn't help the message you might be trying to pass. I already saw other people saying BIG was feminine too for blablabla. It will just turn into a cycle of back and forth blasting of our long ago dead greats.
We have to be logical, Pac was paranoid after he got shot. For anyone that's been shot, they'll understand how it affects you mentally. Pac's Aunt Gloria, Afeni's sister even admitted that BIG was at the hospital after Pac got shot, and she said he was genuinely concerned about Pac. BIG even dropped off Pac's guns that they stashed in a piano after he got shot to hide from the cops. Also, the medical records show Pac got shot five times, so who's still saying they don't know how many times he was shot...
I am a PAC fan and know that the only person that could have set him up was the person who was paying him to do a song with Lil Shawn, not BIG. Listen to Lil Shawn’s interview on what happened. Haitian Jack was with PAC during the alleged rape incident, is the person PAC said something to in front of others that was offensive ( Majesty and his homeboy won’t repeat on camera), and friends with the person who was going to pay him and told Stretch he had “money for war” , and is the same reason why he was caring those guns with him initially. Jack and Jimmy are obviously the ones who orchestrated it. PAC knew that!
Right but biggie was supposed to be a good friend. Pac taught biggie everything he knew and he would school biggie on the game. He owed pac more than that acting like he didn't know pac was bout to get robbed and didn't tell him
@@Wiseone123 biggie was scared to tell pac who goin robbed him ...yea biggie didn't set him up, but he knew who was goin do it , n pac mad cause he didn't say nothing. pac quote "biggie what happen"
Heres a tidbit for all the Tupac Stans, Pac told Jack Big said he was trouble. Jacks man ended up robbing a thorough dude named Zach that was down with Bigs people as a result. Puff told Big Pac was trouble and Big who was a felon at the time had to keep it light with him. Big stops hanging out with Pac now that his Peoples has beef with Jack. Pac as great as he was, was terribly flawed in his early twenties sorry 🤷🏿♂️
@Summer Of Sam Beatz Y'all Biggie Stan's are dopes. How the hell did you write all that in respond to one sentence I wrote, that had nothing do to with what you said. Then wonder why we call Biggie Stan's nitwits.
Im not trying to be an asshole. The problem is lack of knowledge. Pac cursed Jimmy henchmen out about one hour before the Quad incident, and also confronted him with Stretch in the studio before people told everyone that the cops were in the lobby. Im only commenting because I want to contribute, I could care less if people think its made up. Simple research will solve that debate.
@gonstead808 why would you say that? thise dude pac hung out with did not rock with Big and them . they not the type to spread their issue to the whole hilding to know their business. also why would they invite Big and his team to get involve their their issue when yhey already had their own team. thats wrong to say that.
@gonesteady808 dont forget biggie and them were told to hide the gun. whats on it for big ti get involve in all of that. pac was famous and kniwn but unfortunately he was nit making money like that and Big as well. no jealously would warrant Big to do all that when pac had internal issues outside of Big
So Lil Sleaze can remember what B.I.G said but can't remember the sneak dissing. Pac was angry that the very artist he put on, gave money too and let him open up with his shows. The thing is Jimmy, Haitian and King Tut were serious dudes and they obviously warned Biggie not to have anything to do with Pac. As Tupac said "fear got stronger than love". The gangsters wanted 2pac to sign to Bad Boy Records but Pac wasn't haven't it especially as they were extorting Puffy and other NY rappers. Lil Sleaze on more than one occasion stated he heard multiple shots. The streets knew it was a set up and Biggie and them knew what was going to happen, these things happen everyday in "the hood". After he wrote 'Against All Odds' Pac knew he couldn't be around, it would have become a bloody war with many victims. Death Row East would have faced many issues too. Exit: Tupac Enter: Makaveli
Exactly...extortion is what this was all about. Biggie never warned him about the coming hit. Cease was in on it too. He went outside in the cold to smoke a blunt,to alert the shooters of his arrival. Cease needs to be honest. Those people are all gone now.
@@larrystilltheeman39 so how did it work?… You trying to tell me Pac was coming to the studio to meet Big in the first place and he wasn’t booked for a session? Because I’ve never heard Pac say he was going to the studio to meet Big 🤔
Lil cease pissed the outlawz off years ago when he did that interview saying Pac only took a few rounds and then shot himself with one of his guns. He just doesn't want that drama anymore
@@Sedp23 naw Vlad actually reads the guests' books if they've written them and asks decent questions. People just shit on Vlad for no reason, but still watch his channel. I disagree.
I'm a fan of both rappers but 2pac to me is the best. This interviewer seems like the cop from menace to society. Trying to get him to contradict himself.
He didn’t skip over it.. he said he got back on the elevator & went up & told biggie.. biggie told him to stay there, they stayed there for 15-20 mins.. So if they stayed upstairs in a different studio. How would they see Pac go up? He later says while we’re outside they bring him out.. which means Pac was somewhere in the building.
Well the truth is out biggie had nothing to do with pac death no matter what they're beef was about biggie said he wouldn't wish death on nobody because you can't come back from that honestly it was a lot of jealousy biggie and pac was both legendary and awesome rappers it's sad that both of them died there music will forever live on through generations 💯💯
There was a dozen famous rappers singers at the studio when pac was shot. Pac was angry dude. When Saudis attacked usa on 911 usa couldn't go to war with Saudis. We have our money tied up in their business. So we took it our in Iraq. Same here. Pac couldn't go to war with street murderers who would just put another hit on pac. So pac went to war with bad boy. Pac was angry at the world. If he lived we would of heard all kinds of music, pac dias songs vs snoop, vs master p, vs 50 cent, vs Eminem, pac had problems getting along with people.
@@88K-d6h pac had beef with everyone. He was more emotion than a chick on her period. He stopped talking to big syke. ..sent fatal home tobjersey...nas...Dr dre...snoop...Jay z...mobb deep...and many many more...who didn't pac have beef with? Let's start with that. Pac had Eminems anger issues. ...they invented the term player hater from pac. Could you imagine, the coronary pac would of had, had he lived long enough to hear c murders albums, or see the Look DMX had, if not the music, ja rule...my goodness pac would have tonleft rap and hide in a cabin in the woods to avoid a heart attack. And him n suge would of went to war once pac wanted out. Suge probably would of killed him just like suge would of killed dre if dre didn't hand over death row to him
Unfortunately there's rules to the game, so even if Lil Cease knows some shit he can't be on RUclips airing shit out, there's no benefit for some one to do that
@@faz06 they worked with the feds the way whitey Bulger did an in that type of arrangement not only are the feds ok with you wacking ppl but they give you help with it along with also taking down your competition so it gave jack and them the appearance of seeming untouchable an unstoppable which inspires fear in a major way.
Lil Cease has been telling the same story about 2Pac since day one. The same way it happened in the Biggie movie. I can see Biggie warning 2Pac about New York.
Sometimes when I hear lil cease voice sounds like DMX on a chilled day 😂
I thought I was the only one thinking this 😂😂
Aye fax
What? Lmao
I'm thinking the same thing!😅
that's what I always think! he has such a similar voice to DMX.
Even pac's dad said biggie came to see pac
But nobody talks about that
@@derrickpowell2563 right,they look over that part....Ppl take what they want from from stories bruh
exactly ya'll spot on point everyone just seeem to only think biggie was hatin or didn't have real luv for pac @ that wasn't the case pac did all this shit with suge to bring them bad vibes around !
@@mr.420bklyn5 c'mon now,dnt be bias bruh....dnt act like biggie didn't do SHIT at all cuz that shit is documented
PAC’s dad?? Wtf is you talm bout?
The Art of Dialogue is so good at conducting old school hop hop interviews that they are able to talk about the same subject 80% of the time whilst still keeping us all entertained.
There's too many other hip hop platforms out there whose hosts are so corny and irritating. No one does it better than these guys.
Thank you for all your content, and what's coming in the future.
People don’t understand, multiple sessions would be going on and you may not know who is recording in the other rooms.
Didn't know that, but it makes sense since quad means 4.
@@kobiecamp1134 That that you say that, 4 also means quad.
I thought it was called Quad because Richard McQuad started the studio?
@@universalconquest4447 Richard Mcquad?
From a 1999 article: "There is something genuinely comforting about walking into Quad Recording Studios after leaving the hustle of 7th Avenue ten floors below. The wood is worn and warm, the rooms are generally spacious by New York standards, and the vibe reflects the sense of creative fun and down-home work ethic of the five-room facility’s owner, Lou Gonzalez.
Make no mistake, Quad is Lou Gonzalez. He will speak freely and humbly of his stellar staff and the talented people he “has the opportunity to work with,” but the comfort level begins at the top. Born in Queens, Gonzalez “ran away” to work on a farm in Maine. He milked cows, baled hay and learned to drive on a Farm-All tractor, pulling a hay wagon. After getting an EE degree at the University of Maine, he returned to New York and engineered for radio. Stints as a staff engineer, Broadway engineer and jack-of-all-trades maintenance tech followed, and 22 years ago he opened Quad as a one-room facility, largely financed by a Sesame Street album"
Seems to me like Pac was warned to watch the guys he was moving with and when he got hit,he expected BIG to inherit his beef and ride for him cause it's his city 🙅🏾♂️🙅🏾♂️ nah I warned and you acted like you knew what you was doing.My personal opinion is that he felt more betrayed that BIG wouldn't apply pressure for him or crash out for him rather than actually blaming him for setting him up
I agree also the fact that he did not visit him in jail.
@@chipwilliams6236 Big tried to visit him in the hospital though. Pac's Dad even confirms that.
@@chipwilliams6236 I think Bigg had a felony on his record I doubt felons can go visit suspects in jail!
Puffy own bodyguard said when Who Shot Ya came out, EVERYONE thought it was about Pac. Son did some shady shit with his boss and got punished for it on wax 🤷🏽♂️
Iron Mike warned Pac as well. 2 Brooklyn dudes warned Pac.
Not just that, Pac went back to the guys and told them what Big said. Then it was said that Biggie got robbed after that.
@@rafaelmuniz5467 yeah a beef almost broke out after pac told them what biggie said they was gonna be on biggie ass until puff had to pay them off to leave big alone
Not only did Mike warn Pac he still friends with them Treach also remained friends with them bit for some reason 2Pac chose to say Biggie had knowledge of what was gonna happen when Big is the guy that didn't really fuck with those dudes
@@rafaelmuniz5467 Team Pac all day. But can't imagine all the pressure BIG felt (early 20s) from Jack and them. No wonder BIG didn't warn Pac again that night in Quad. RIP PAC RIP BIG
2pac thought he was that guy. extortion? fuck you!
but he probably thought his rapper buddies (live squad, biggie) would back him. they punked out and even started jumping ship and making fun of him when shit got thick. they didn't want it with some real street dudes over some other rapper.
Biggie gets blamed yet Lil Shawn the guy that was used as the bait to lure Pac to the studio remains blameless
Because biggie was Tupac’s close friend and he felt betrayed by him, lil Shawn was just some nigga that pac was goin to do a song for , pac didn’t know him like that, but Tupac did diss lil Shawn in a song called him vs her or sum like that with storm
@@zone6eastside672 Biggie was the same friend that told him to be careful with his affiliations admitted by Pac himself so nah miss me with that if somebody shoots me im not gonna take it out on people that had nothing to do with it im going right at the cats that did it also if we talk about who would be guilty of setting up someone I would believe that the artist that was meant to record with me would be on the top of the list with Jimmy not my friend who had no idea I was going to the studio
2Pac always hated Little Shawn too
@kman nigga u read it
@@MoonwalkerKing-gc5jm bruh I’m just goin off on what Tupac said it ain’t got nun to do on how I “feel” about the situation so miss me with yo opinion about it , I wasn’t around back then
The irony of Biggie telling Tupac to be mindful of his surroundings in NYC, because its a not like Cali... Someone should have told Tupac the same shit about Cali.
Actually Ice-T did warn Pac about not getting into gang shit. Pac didnt listen though. Ice-T told this in an interview.
But im pretty sure more LA OG's warned Pac about it.
It’s Tupac. He was too reckless and his death is his own fault. It sucks because he was talented but he brought upon his own demise. No one’s fault but his own.
Pac was hardheaded and did not listen to anyone who tried to advise him better.
THEY DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Big died innocently man Miss you Big
The lil catholic boy could do no wrong.
@@pcangeldust PAc got everyone who he did wrong, talking the truth about the real pac who was just a theatrical sensitive liar. He caused lives to be lost because of his ignorance towards our culture. Even his own family exposed him. Biggie was not grimey or snakish like pac was and even suge was getting tired of him. LOL
Shouldn’t have released long kiss goodnight , definitely shouldn’t have Rapped it on a LA studio
@@rafaelc9299 PAc should have never released Agaisnt All odd dissing Biggies friend Stretch who was dead. The LA freestyle was 8 days before Biggie was murdered which was instigated by Sway. Biggie was killed by a professional hitman in kahoots with the LAPD. The FBI has that case still open.
😂😂😂
5:10 Art got quiet real quick thats what happens when you gloss over contradictions, Art also left out the part in Sway's interview in which Pac literally said Biggie warned him about those guys yet he didnt say Pac said that he changed it in to a question "is it true Biggie warned him?" When the majority of the time when Pac says something he always says "Well Pac said", "Well Pac felt" notice how he didnt say Pac said that because he knew it would contradict Pac own statements that he told prior in that same interview cmon now Art stop the bias because while Cease is trying to deflect on alot of shit atleast he dosent seem like he is looking to attack Pac if anything he wants to move on and respect the memory of both of them while Art is just looking to make Biggie the villain this is not an interview bruh this looks like a bias interrogation and a prosecution combined 🙄🙄
Facts
Finally! Somebody noticed! 💯💯
he low key sneek dissed pac several times during this interview
@@Wiseone123 Thats a major reach if anything Art has been dissing the whole interview
Exactly 😒 how and when did Pac and Big have this convo about the quad studios shooting.. dude is beating a dead horse at this point and I don’t see what other subjects he could ever cover after dedicating and investigating “Def Row” as much as he has
I must’ve heard and seen this story re-enacted a thousand times now and it finally donned on me that Big didn’t set Pac up. I mean, why would he send his man Cease to meet Pac downstairs knowing Pac was about to get stuck up? Better yet, why the f**k would Big let it be known that they were at Quad Studio the same night that they allegedly knew Pac was about to get robbed when their whole code or whatever is “Bad boys move in silence.” Let it go, y’all. Big had nothing to do with this. Case closed
Pac never said that BIG set him up
Pac NEVER said biggie set him up though
Most people already knew this. More people were questioning Stretch involvement
Where do people get this notion that pac said biggie set him up.. he literally spoke on this lol
Pac never said biggie set him up u need to go to pacs last interviews with sway and rob Mariot
Rest in peace Biggie Small condolence to the family your soul live on
If you notice Tupac and his defenders always talk about how Tupac felt. Everything was how he felt at the time. Which means he didn't care if what he felt was wrong or not. He just acted and spoke without facts. Just feelings.
In the Angie Martinez interview she asked Pac if he ever did anything wrong.
"I did a lot of shit wrong. Probably half the sh it I did is wrong. I believe in my heart I was doing it for the right reasons. It might turnout wrong. Only reason is because I aint had no training."
Yet these stans want to take Tupac words/feelings as the gospel. A young and wild dude constantly smoking weed and being paranoid.
biggie was a young dude constantly smoking weed and being paranoid too. In an interview big said he always be thinking someone trying to kill him
@@Wiseone123
Are you really trying compare Biggie saying he thinks someone trying to kill him vs Tupac going on rampages against people because he felt like this or that was (not that it was) true?🤣🤣🤣
Typical illogical Tupac stan shit.🤷♂️
@@Wiseone123
Numerous ppl died behind Pac and his paranoid delusions
Get at me when the same can be said for Biggie…
Facts they don't hold pac accountability at all
@@Synchronite Pac died behind Biggie
According to the questions ,It seems like the art of dialogue blame BIG for Pac demised
The questions are extremely biased
More like an interrogation instead of an interview
From Tupac stepbrother to Treach from naughty by nature they all say Tupac overreacted towards BIG by blaming him.
I'm sorry to tell the art of dialogue that Tupac did and said a lot of dumb shit in 96
@@eddycherestal8208 Facts
@@eddycherestal8208 put yourself in that man's shoes. That young with what seems like the world against you. How would you act/feel
@@cojack636 Pac knew the guys that shot him and he use to hang out with them, after the altercation, they let it be known they were the one who try to rob him .
He continue with that nonsense blaming biggie because the East Coast West Coast beef was generated a lot of money for death row a lot of record sale was based of the East Coast and West Coast beef.
@@cojack636 Biggie told his mother that he ran into to Tupac before he died and told him" yo, chill! what's up with you? stop it" Tupac replied yo "I'm trying to make my money man"
You and every body should have know watch out who you mess with you're not untouchable I don't care how tough you are you can be touched no matter how bad you are always someone better
Pac was saying in interviews if big is the king of ny or in the streets/Brooklyn he would know something beforehand or after to tell him. Or ride for him
He warned Pac about who he was running around with! Lil Shawn said BIG was robbed for telling Pac about who he was running with because Pac went back and mentioned what Big told him. I love Pac as a fan, but maybe out of him being so young he did alot of foul reckless shit towards BIG.
Big started shit too by getting on the radio in NYC sending threats, when the dogg pound was there and there trailer got shot up in NYC @jaykristian745
Both pac and big made mistakes
oh thats what he said? so he a baby and need someone to watch out for him? a MAN take accountability for his own actions. REAL MEN dont cry and play victim when their own actions bring consequences. KNOW THE DIFFERENCE before you follow an entertainment artist with complete loyalty or you'll look like a fool
@@gnarlydude2419 he took accountability for what happen. it doesn't make you a baby or less of a man, if you have friends and family looking out for you/giving you advice. Nobody done it alone.
@@TRILLTALKTV no he didnt take accountability. you think dry snitching is taking accountability? whats your problem? the homie started dry snitching immediately. implicating dudes immediately. what gangsta do that? turning on your homies because you embarrassed. do you know how WEAK that is? you supposed to stand tall and take it on the chin and then if you ever see them fools again, then you let em know that they made a huge mistake. you dont break down like a little girl and start crying about who didnt ...what is he a man or a little boy? you came to NY on ya ish, and you had on ya jewels, and you was flexing like you usually do, drawing attention to yourself because thats what you do, so you made yourself a target. nobody else did that you!! now you wanna blame everybody else because you think this aint supposed to happen to "a thug". that tells you right there that he aint no thug!!!!! because EVERY thug will tell you that ANYBODY can get caught pissin in the alley sort of speech. c'mon man all that crying? somehow yall equate that with being gangsta. i dont get it! lol im over here laughin like crazy because i dont see where crying like a bich made you a gangsta. i dont know. and he dry snitchin???? im lost dog. sad thing is, BIG remained that man true friend til he couldnt anymore and all BIG get is disrespect from all you pac fans, and the reason for that is because PAC made it that way by poisoning the well. everytime he talked he wanna diss BIg so all yall know how to do is diss BIG. BIG was cool. PAC was on the bull ish. but Pac had to find out the hard way. BIG got hit from jealousy and conspiracy. Pac got himself killed from starting bull ish with the wrong person
They forgot cell phones weren't abundant at that time, also. They didn't set Pac up. Pac was arguing with Jimmy before they got to the studio about payment, and the fact he was talking slick. Pac knew who had a movie made on him...
Agree jimmy mention how pac wasn’t on his level and booked pac to come to quad to rob him to let him know he could be touched
@@longisland5161 pac had just left Ron G to do a song with lil shawn
@@antoniohoward981 has anyone ever asked Ron G or Shawn about the issue ?
@@longisland5161 Ron G said he was going to meet that bitch Jimmy henchmen and get $7,000 to be featured on Lil Shawn and if he didn’t have his money he was going to bounce. Big L was in the studio with them before he left . lil Shawn talk about. Tupac even made a this song about lil Shawn
@@longisland5161 jimmy had pac set up. Pac kept sassing him
Cease is being truthful but he’s also being too measured with his words. I want someone like D-Doc or C-Gutta to tell the story in a way where they don’t worry about offending the other side.
D ROC definitely will be straight forward!
@Mr.Smutjuice B-I-N-G-O-!-!-!
Cease ain't measuring over offending the other side lol! LIL sleaze is measuring what he says because the nika still roams around BK so he needs to watch who he talks about. He lies about the story in order to avoid pissing off the same folks that got at Pac.
@@BuckemdownBuckemdown what part of over 25yrs ago do you not understand??
I don’t know why y’all pac fans act like it hasn’t been confirmed on what happened at quad studio 🥴🥴 I just don’t get y’all 🤦🏿♂️
If I’m sick of hearing this I can only imagine how much cease is sick of it. Seriously.
Notice even Big Entourage are being interviewed about Tupac..Tupac is talked about more than any other Rapper and he has been gone for 27 years
Lil cease is a real one! Thank God him, faith, Kim & all the real one still alive to set the record straight cause this media getting everybody brainwashed from the truth!
nobody is brainwashed from any truth, it was some funny business going on with big and puff and that whole badboy camp, and pac knew it, that's why he called them out💯
2Pac said repeated himself he got shot 5 times. It's literally everywhere. I'm taking his word. He's not known to be a liar.
not known to be a liar??????? lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Big had nothing to do with it nor any prior knowledge. Pac even blamed the A-team at one point, but it was Jimmy Henchmen. Henchmen nor Haitian Jack had no connection with the A-team accept being from Brooklyn, but they were from East NY and Jack and Henchmen were from Flatbush. Pac was just paranoid getting bad information, he was even blaming King Tut, who was booked at the time. But I believe he knew Big had nothing to do with it but was an easy target. He didn't go at the real culprits until he had Deathrow and the Pirus behind him
Wrong: Pac was pissed at the fact that BIG ran in the same circles as the niggas who did it(Henchmen's crew or Haitian Jack's from what I read) and didn't tell Pac who was involved after it went down. The truth is Pac was very impulsive and use those guys as character study for his role as "Birdie" in Above The Rim. BIG may have warned him perhaps, but the Brooklyn/East NY connection between all of those guys just made everything look suspect
@@elijahstraight402 this just isnt true.
@@elijahstraight402 Biggie did not hang out with Haitian Jack or Jimmy. He knew who they were tho!! Mike Tyson grew up and hung out with them. Mike warned PAC about them too. Pac did not listen. Mike is still friends with Jack and Tut till this day. And it’s bugged out that Pac died after a Mike Tyson fight.
@@elijahstraight402 what you read 😑. Bro Pac was going off bad rumors Big wasn’t running with Jack or Henchmen those were OGs almost 10 years older than him and from a different part of Brooklyn. Henchmen may have been trying to press Puff to do business, but Puff had some get busy boys around him. Pac got hit because he wasn’t very streetwise unfortunately, he was from the ghetto but moved around too much to be entrenched in one particular culture because politics are different everywhere. Big tried to warn him about how grimy some BK cats can be but Pac didn’t listen
@@oredi2159 How would you know? We're you part of either of their inner circles? I got off what I've read and researched unfortunately because I didn't know anyone who were associated with Henchmen or Haitian Jack. More or less anyone outta their crew. I said Big knew guys that knew both of THEM. That's what I meant about BIG running in the same circles as both gangstas. Granted he tried to warn Pac because Pac wasn't aligned with either of them
This guy is the new VladTV
His story never changed it’s been the same everytime
Pac was a Gemini, generally Geminis don't get too overly emotional but with Pac not having a stable father figure present and being raised by a single mother( stepfather in prison ) Pac seemed to go on feelings rather than facts and was highly emotional which can cloud ones judgment. I know, because as a man I've had episodes to where my judgment was questionable being I was being emotional rather than calm and rational; I'd have to check myself after the fact or be checked.
Maybe I misspoke on that Quad situation. Maybe Pac was right about Cease and Bigg being in on it. Up until the Quad incident Bigg and Pac were still cool but Pac and Puff had tension beneath the surface.
i dont believe in Zodiac Signs..i believe in destiny..God is real..and only nothing but truth will be revealed in the day of judgment.
All that zodiac shit is cap, biggie and mike tyson warned him about the people in ny and he didn't listen PERIOD
Wait a minute, 2pac literally says in his sway interview he gets in the elevator and everyone upstairs looked at him like he was a ghost! He said sway I can’t describe it you have to experience it for your self! So what is cease saying we only saw him downstairs but then says heard shots upstairs then big went down then the police came the scenario doesn’t make sense!
I'm good with all the stories but why did it take so long for all of these interviews. I was 25 when both of these legends died, and man if we all knew then what we know now it would have been very enlightening.
I think fans of it made an effort. Vlad and Art of dialog were pioneers of that effort. They studied it, and figured who and what to ask, then got more info then figured out more food what to ask to whom.
Bruh great question.. here’s the answer same reason pac didn’t mention it .. jimmy henchman was a serious threat … everyone knew even pac knew … bcuz his man stretch came and told him what Jimmy henchman said but pac knew not to play with dude so he blamed big .. flex .. Clark Kent they all talking now bcuz Jimmy henchman behind bars for life and is no longer a threat .. that’s why you’re hearing the total truth now
“I know what I’m doing, I’m destroying them” - 2Pac
The Person Tupac WAS SUPPOSED TO DO A SONG WITH THAT PERSON WAS Little SHAWN
Outside of his cappin about Long kiss goodnight, his story has remained consistent
Rs
He also lied about Biggie quote " Was downstairs for almost 15 - 20 minutes". All that drama when Pac got shot while big was down stairs for 15 minutes??? You mean the Stick Up kids had enough time to eat McDonalds and nap before peeling out?? Lol! He than goes on to say nn Vladtv that he only heard one shot which was the Pac inflicted on himself. Here he says Nino heard " shots" not a shot when heading downstairs at Quad. Buttttt I get it.....Lil Sleaze is still willing to lie which is precisely what pissed off Pac back than when he said these nikkaz is doing the detective work by saying he only got shot once. No one at Quad wanted to appear as a Dry snitcher because they know additional shots heard implies more guns, more shooters, etc.. other at a crime scene. So imagine some dudes just took your life after getting shots several times and the people you know say otherwise. All this while u in jail and being falsely accused of rape. Puff could've bailed out Pac just like Suge did. You think he gave a damn? Lol!
How you know?..was you there? Matter of fact was you born at that time 🤣
@@BuckemdownBuckemdown factz!
Discretion tv
21 gun salute
@@TheNiners6949 why you laughing? Niners got shut down! Bang bang niner gang😁
Everybody should have a friend as loyal as Lil Cease lol
wasnt loyal to Kim tho
I never was much a Biggie fan but the more I wast his these interviews the more I realise that Big was more gangta than PAC was. PAC is still my favourite rapper of all time but I can’t help wondering why he didn’t put the blame on the other guy he was scheduled to record with that day as well? The other artist knew Pac would be at Quad for sure but PAC never questioned the other artist’s innocence in the whole thing!
Bro pac knew jack and jimmy would had his whole family in the trunk.
@@6thbr871 😂😂Definitely! Was kinda bxtchmade to finger Big like that knowing full well that Jimmy and them were behind it all! Still love Pac but I’m lookin at him funny after this epiphany
PAC and Suge started a 🐂 💩beef to sell records he always knew who was really involved
The artist you're talking about is Lil Shawna dn pac mentioned him numerous times. Check out the pac song "my niggas"
@@caliking2x Little Shawn*
The person who said Pac got shot once was NOT biggie
Yup, that was Stretch, Pac's right hand man at that time. Who was right there with Pac when it happened.
If Cease never saw pac this all may have never played out like this
Pac wasn't going there to meet lil caes, he was going there to record a song with a dude named lil Shawn, in a different studio. Lil caes and lil Shawn didn't know each other and weren't there together
its 2022 and people still dont know tupac was born in harlem and grew up in the bronx on 183st walton ave i wonder why tupac wasnt telling ny dudes he grew up there...he mustve felt out of place coming back home after being gone.
He left Harlem at 11 years old and moved to Baltimore... He was shot when he was 22...
@@UrbanMaxxTV no, He left when he was 15.. He called Himself MC New York when he went first was rapping, He said countless times I AM FROM NEW YORK and he said I missed New York in his Angie Marteniz interview. He spent most of his life in New York and grew up in New York. He got family in Queens also. Pac was New York dude and had swag and flow of New Yorker
Funny, People love staying denial Pac aka MC New York is from NYC.. He being from NYC and growing up to Hip hop in BX is why he was a lethal Mc. He literally missed New York one of his friends said when he was in LA in 1996, he was suppose to come back and make peace with Biggie
@@learner5090 lol you better go listen to it aint nothing like the old school or the song my block he tells you he grew up on 183st walton ave
Tupac is definitely a NY dude at heart, but Pac explained himself that he really got his game from Oakland. I think that's what made Pac so unique. NY mentality with game from The Bay and Southern California beats.. lethal combination.
The diehard Pac Stans have to stop with the conspiracy that Biggie knew Pac was going to get robbed.
I don't think biggie knew but the fact he warned 2pac about the dudes he was hanging with I can understand why 2pac felt there was something big did know about the overall situations.
🤣🤣 you biggie Stans are ignorant af…after pac died your man damn near admits to knowing about both shootings on long kiss good night …but I guess you’ll take lil cease ‘s word for it that it wasn’t about Pac right ? which contradicts himself when he admitted in XXl that long kiss was about PAC🤦🏾♂️
Big and puffy were snakes who thought they were bad boys who “move in silence”
On long kiss goodnight Biggie admits / damn near boasts about knowing and his people being involved in both of pac’s shootings. Cmon now stop it
@@3rdGenerationCancer nobody cares what Pac haters like you think
“HE LIED AND YALL WORSHIP HIM” 😭 😂
Huh
Funky fat flexxxx
Shut your ignorance ass up.
Tupac Amaru Shakur GREATEST TO EVER DO IT
PERIOD
"New York is different than Cali" lol Pac was born in HARLEM
I feel like he is being genuine
I love big but im a bigger Pac fan still I feel Pac got that shit wrong & Lil Cease definitely don't have anything to do with that. He speaking from his hart people need to stop stressing him about Quad man he was a little kid then not a major Jimmy Henchmen Hatian Jack or Alpo type of major slimy guy man. Let that be now.
I’m a huge Pac fan too and I agree with that about Cease.
@@alpha-boss yes that’s true fuck lil C’s
@@alpha-boss
It’s true that Tupac carried his own guns and had to carry the weight for that anyway due to strict Nyc gun laws
It’s also true that
Pac got a slap on the wrist considering all the hollering he was doing and only getting 18 months …of which he only did 11
@@alpha-boss
He had to take accountability for HIS OWN illegal firearms first and foremost
Lies lies lies
Pac was born and raised in NYC he didn't need anyone to tell him about the politics in NY he knew who shot him he was just putting most of the blame on biggie because he was a more easier Target
Pac wasn't always in NYC, despite being born there. He moved to California in 1988, and he wasn't fully aware of how street dudes moved in NYC after that.
@@intenseninja82 yes he was. One min y’all tryna paint him as this wise man next min y’all tryna down play & act like he was dumb
Really??
I thought he moved to Baltimore when he was 13. In '88, his family moved to Cali.
@@intenseninja82 there is a video out of pac walking around with NYC dudes talking about his old neighborhood and high school pac spent a lot of time in NYC to know what was up in NYC in fact he knew more new york then he knew LA
Exactly. He knew Big ain’t had nothing to do with it but wouldn’t say cos he was scared of the guys that shot him
Cease answers questions in interviews like he's being interogated by the police.
Does anybody know what caliber was used at the quad studio shooting?
Why isn’t the blame Biggie energy shifted towards Lil Shawn. He was the person who Tupac actually came to do a song with. But you know why y’all don’t say nothing about Lil Shawn..Cause he a nobody. But y’all choose to talk about Biggie rather than Lil Shawn cause Biggie is considered one of the greats. That’s why Tupac chose to blame Biggie anyway. Blaming Lil Shawn for what happened would’ve did nothing for his career. So he chose to blame his man who he knew was upcoming and on fire for whatever reason lol.
Bingo thats the real question
jimmy henchman set that shit up about a day or two before the shooting pac was talking crazy to jimmy henchman than jimmy had that shit setup alot of people dont know this
@@MonstrMash123458943 facts but the person who needed to know, knew what was gon happen beforehand that’s why he was strapped in the first place. Ain’t nobody walking around New York City(Midtown Manhattan to be exact) with a pistol on them for no reason. Rapper or not🤷🏾♂️
@@kevinnoheart4778 who’s the person that needed to know?
@@chosenone2788 Tupac
Makes me wonder how things would've turned out between Pac and Big if Cease hadn't seen Pac coming into the building. I don't think Pac would've come at Big as he did.
True bro, Big would still be alive..one spilt second can change everything and be a domino effect in life..I mean shit, something as little as Nino saying "come on Cease its cold as fuck out here, let's get back inside" would have changed everything
@@jalenaverylloydaveryiisson8862 😂 man why you hate pac so much??
@@jalenaverylloydaveryiisson8862 Yo Daddy Was A Bitch.
Nah i think he still wouldve because he said people in jail told him that big set him up,i dont think the lil cease part was what convinced Pac
Suge Knight and jimmy Ivene engineered the beef to sell records.. it’s obvious. 2Pac’s biggest mistake was signing with death row
Cease caught Pac in one of his many lies. 😂 Pac knew Tut shot him. Pac was hanging with informants.
Which lie did he catch pac in?
Come on say it so i can quote pac to refute you and cease
Huh
@@jundean5292 if biggie didn’t see him in the hospital or jail & they didn’t speak after. How did he ask him anything?
@@quandadon5882 if you listen to what Pac said
He said "I asked Big what happened, and biggie said I LL TELL YOU WHEN I COME SEE YOU, and pac replied no tell me"
This shows pac and biggie werent speaking face to face as biggie said I WILL COME SEE YOU
So it could have been a phone call
Its the interview where Pac says he said to biggie "what happened"
@@dexterisaccs545 yes this is one thing
But pac in the interview waa clearly speakinh about after getting shot he asked big "what happened"
this dude looks EXACTLY like the game wtf
Lil cease story is believable. If what he said is true about talking to 2Pac from the balcony, then lil cease, kept his word to meet 2Pac. That, and them poiting their guns at lil cease, means he didnt know and didnt set him up. Puffy maybe, but lets clear about Lil Cease. Also, lil Cease story doesnt change at least from the inteviews of the past year.
Biggie had nothing to do with that and I'm a die hard pac fan
How do you know?
This is getting old. I heard this story and it aint changed.
They didn't find Pac guilty and why didn't BIG show up when he was locked up and why would BIG say watch your surroundings as if Pac doesn't know NYC dude is literally from NYC give me a break, but I don't think BIG set him up I think Puff did, BIG may have known what was going on though that night.
BIG didn't know because he would've tipped Pac off about the hit if he did imo. I do agree about Puffy knowing something though.
Pac is from NY.. He knew betta.. Pac & Big was small time compared To Jimmy H & Haitian Jack
You're right Gene Deal said jimmy henchman told Andre harell and puff that he was gonna spank pac, but I can see the confusion pac figured if puff knew Big had to
Alot of people say Big and Pac 2 of the best rappers yet all these videos are about their beef and murders....shame thats all people want to talk about of the 2 greates hip hop stars. Thats like only talkin about Kobes helicopter crash not about any of his achievements on the court....
Little Ces made homie quiet with pac said biggie didn’t come see me but when I asked biggie he didn’t wanna tell me ….
Pac was jus lying about da shooting...his fans jus dnt wanna admit it 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Exactly
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In case nobody knows. Biggie and Tupac are both passed away
You're lying.
@@kobiecamp1134 lol. Ikr.
Rest in peace Tupac condolence to the family your soul live on
Point Blank Period.. Big & Pac was Small Time compared to Jimmy Henchman & Haitian Jack Crew.. It was above Big Pay Grade in 93'94
No but another dude got shot with pac, and he had a viscous crew, so it was gonna be a war
We all know know it wasn’t biggie it was Jimmy henchmen but I can see how pac felt biggie knew who it was tho
Our brother Pac was hard headed, Life can fix such issues with ease if you choose to remain that way
Exactly but let his fans tell it he could do no wrong smh. Pac was my guy but he moved like he didn't know any better
@Bruce Dragon1000 - Just like life will fix your issues in no time if you keep talking about the dead that way and remaining feminine
@@DontTestMeAtall it's wrong for me tell white people about their history towards black people, although they never owned any slaves. Its wrong to teach the youth about moving a certain way?
@Bruce Dragon1000 - there is nothing wrong with educating the current and upcoming generation about how to move but your energy is solely on Tupac's wrongs when clearly both young men (Tupac and BIG) made terrible mistakes. Trying to absolve one from guilt is a mark of stupidity from any fan even if you have your favourite or otherwise. Their optimum greatness was tied to their death as unfortunate as that sounds. Let's leave both to RIP without denegration. Saying PAC was feminine etc doesn't help the message you might be trying to pass. I already saw other people saying BIG was feminine too for blablabla. It will just turn into a cycle of back and forth blasting of our long ago dead greats.
@@DontTestMeAtall so in other words, you don't wont anyone speaking truth and history. Gotcha
I don’t know what to believe after all these years. But why would Big send dude downstairs if he knew PAC was about to get hit
Exactly!
Most likely, the situation would have been unavoidable. Even if it never happened, those robbers would have got to Pac another day.
It's been solved Gene Deal said jimmy henchman told Andre harell and puff that he was gonna spank pac, so puff knew maybe not bigge
We have to be logical, Pac was paranoid after he got shot. For anyone that's been shot, they'll understand how it affects you mentally. Pac's Aunt Gloria, Afeni's sister even admitted that BIG was at the hospital after Pac got shot, and she said he was genuinely concerned about Pac. BIG even dropped off Pac's guns that they stashed in a piano after he got shot to hide from the cops.
Also, the medical records show Pac got shot five times, so who's still saying they don't know how many times he was shot...
If it’s a robbery going on downstairs why say everyone wait here I’m going down myself. Sound like some Batman shit
yeah thats strange to me too
Do they pay these ppl for interviews or just exposure?
I am a PAC fan and know that the only person that could have set him up was the person who was paying him to do a song with Lil Shawn, not BIG. Listen to Lil Shawn’s interview on what happened. Haitian Jack was with PAC during the alleged rape incident, is the person PAC said something to in front of others that was offensive ( Majesty and his homeboy won’t repeat on camera), and friends with the person who was going to pay him and told Stretch he had “money for war” , and is the same reason why he was caring those guns with him initially. Jack and Jimmy are obviously the ones who orchestrated it. PAC knew that!
Jack had nothing to do with dat ..jimmy told Jack to robbed pac n he said no he not getting involved in that
@@bweezy565 , exactly. Puff and Harrell prolly knew it was gonna go down. But not Big
Right but biggie was supposed to be a good friend. Pac taught biggie everything he knew and he would school biggie on the game. He owed pac more than that acting like he didn't know pac was bout to get robbed and didn't tell him
@@Wiseone123 biggie was scared to tell pac who goin robbed him ...yea biggie didn't set him up, but he knew who was goin do it , n pac mad cause he didn't say nothing. pac quote "biggie what happen"
@@bweezy565 No Pac said Biggie told him yo stay away from them and Pac didn't listen.
Heres a tidbit for all the Tupac Stans, Pac told Jack Big said he was trouble. Jacks man ended up robbing a thorough dude named Zach that was down with Bigs people as a result. Puff told Big Pac was trouble and Big who was a felon at the time had to keep it light with him. Big stops hanging out with Pac now that his Peoples has beef with Jack. Pac as great as he was, was terribly flawed in his early twenties sorry 🤷🏿♂️
Where you get this from?
Y'all Big Stan's always got A phony story to make it like Big did no wrong. A bunch of lames
Very knowledgeable. A lot of ppl don’t know that, especially the younger ppl.
@Summer Of Sam Beatz Y'all Biggie Stan's are dopes. How the hell did you write all that in respond to one sentence I wrote, that had nothing do to with what you said. Then wonder why we call Biggie Stan's nitwits.
Im not trying to be an asshole. The problem is lack of knowledge. Pac cursed Jimmy henchmen out about one hour before the Quad incident, and also confronted him with Stretch in the studio before people told everyone that the cops were in the lobby. Im only commenting because I want to contribute, I could care less if people think its made up. Simple research will solve that debate.
Cease was the look out man. And Big went down stairs by himself to face grown men with guns. Lol Okay!! SMH
Lol y’all stans will say anything. Why would the music artist be the look out in this situation lol
Exactly by himself,, your telln me with nobody going with him to protect him!!!! Biggie knew!!!!
@gonstead808 why would you say that? thise dude pac hung out with did not rock with Big and them . they not the type to spread their issue to the whole hilding to know their business. also why would they invite Big and his team to get involve their their issue when yhey already had their own team. thats wrong to say that.
@@kingchoice718 Most of these dudes are homosexuals infatuated with the bath tub picture.
@gonesteady808 dont forget biggie and them were told to hide the gun. whats on it for big ti get involve in all of that. pac was famous and kniwn but unfortunately he was nit making money like that and Big as well. no jealously would warrant Big to do all that when pac had internal issues outside of Big
Just like the movie!
These niggas was little kids I use to give money to get on the train at night to go home, little cease and dem- 2pac
Biggie should’ve went to Prison and cleared things up. Sometimes communication is key
Or pac should have simply not messed with those shady dudes. Him thinking Biggie had anything whatsoever to do with it is just silly
@@ezumaokoronkwo1065 Simple as that… These dudes wanted everyone around Pac to treat him like a adolescent 😂🤣… Pac was a grown ass man
@@ezumaokoronkwo1065 Exactly
yeah biggie got time for droppin who shot ya but didnt manage time to see pac in jail what a fked up relation
Big didn’t visit or put money on his books. He didn’t love Pac that much. I see why Pac lost respect for him.
So Lil Sleaze can remember what B.I.G said but can't remember the sneak dissing.
Pac was angry that the very artist he put on, gave money too and let him open up with his shows. The thing is Jimmy, Haitian and King Tut were serious dudes and they obviously warned Biggie not to have anything to do with Pac. As Tupac said "fear got stronger than love".
The gangsters wanted 2pac to sign to Bad Boy Records but Pac wasn't haven't it especially as they were extorting Puffy and other NY rappers.
Lil Sleaze on more than one occasion stated he heard multiple shots.
The streets knew it was a set up and Biggie and them knew what was going to happen, these things happen everyday in "the hood".
After he wrote 'Against All Odds' Pac knew he couldn't be around, it would have become a bloody war with many victims. Death Row East would have faced many issues too.
Exit: Tupac Enter: Makaveli
Has proof ever come out showing that BIG knew what was going to happen? Why would someone like him even need to know?
Look at you making up your own narrative 😂🤣😂🤣… You dudes really be sitting down thinking up your own Tupac/Biggie stories loooool… Sad MF’s
Exactly...extortion is what this was all about. Biggie never warned him about the coming hit. Cease was in on it too. He went outside in the cold to smoke a blunt,to alert the shooters of his arrival. Cease needs to be honest. Those people are all gone now.
Pac didn't put big on. That's stupid. Yall act like he was in the outlaws.
@@larrystilltheeman39 so how did it work?… You trying to tell me Pac was coming to the studio to meet Big in the first place and he wasn’t booked for a session? Because I’ve never heard Pac say he was going to the studio to meet Big 🤔
Cease has respect for pac. Alot but at the same time big is his big brother.
Puffy is his daddy.
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I used to be strong as ripple be until lil cease crippled me!!!! Straight out of Biggie's mouth from the song Long kiss tonight!!
Lil cease pissed the outlawz off years ago when he did that interview saying Pac only took a few rounds and then shot himself with one of his guns. He just doesn't want that drama anymore
This better than the Vlad interview. Asking the questions we really want to know the answers to
Hes starting to be actual competition
Naw disagree
@@BL77357 Vlad asked alot of the norm questions ... On here they asking questions fans have been asking for years especially about long kiss goodnight
@@Sedp23 naw Vlad actually reads the guests' books if they've written them and asks decent questions. People just shit on Vlad for no reason, but still watch his channel. I disagree.
@@BL77357 vlad a cop 👮♀️😂
My n!##@ Cease wit the nice clap back.4:53💪🏿💯
So much better than Vlad
I'm a fan of both rappers but 2pac to me is the best. This interviewer seems like the cop from menace to society. Trying to get him to contradict himself.
He skipped the part when Pac went upstairs after getting shot
Guess he forgot
He didn’t skip over it.. he said he got back on the elevator & went up & told biggie.. biggie told him to stay there, they stayed there for 15-20 mins..
So if they stayed upstairs in a different studio. How would they see Pac go up? He later says while we’re outside they bring him out.. which means Pac was somewhere in the building.
Lil is a truth teller
Stop it lol
@@NYBedStuy pac couldn't do no wrong, FOH chump
HE DONT KNOW JACK TO TELL..HE ONLY KNOW WHAT HE KNOW..NOT WHAT PAC AND PUFFY AND BIG KNOW MORON
He be cappin to preserve BIGs legacy, which I can respect
He’s a lie teller.
Its strange that he was looking out of window it that moment.
He was at the balcony smoking...He saw Pac who was already in his way to meet Jimmy at quad..
@@lesdasniper9298
There no balcony there
Are we still talking about this...Find new material
Well the truth is out biggie had nothing to do with pac death no matter what they're beef was about biggie said he wouldn't wish death on nobody because you can't come back from that honestly it was a lot of jealousy biggie and pac was both legendary and awesome rappers it's sad that both of them died there music will forever live on through generations 💯💯
There was a dozen famous rappers singers at the studio when pac was shot. Pac was angry dude. When Saudis attacked usa on 911 usa couldn't go to war with Saudis. We have our money tied up in their business. So we took it our in Iraq. Same here. Pac couldn't go to war with street murderers who would just put another hit on pac. So pac went to war with bad boy. Pac was angry at the world. If he lived we would of heard all kinds of music, pac dias songs vs snoop, vs master p, vs 50 cent, vs Eminem, pac had problems getting along with people.
You forgetting who Pac hung around tho... Them dudes was ready to go to war.
Pac was cool with Master P.... You exaggerating. Pac was cool with most people
@@88K-d6h pac had beef with everyone. He was more emotion than a chick on her period. He stopped talking to big syke. ..sent fatal home tobjersey...nas...Dr dre...snoop...Jay z...mobb deep...and many many more...who didn't pac have beef with? Let's start with that. Pac had Eminems anger issues. ...they invented the term player hater from pac. Could you imagine, the coronary pac would of had, had he lived long enough to hear c murders albums, or see the Look DMX had, if not the music, ja rule...my goodness pac would have tonleft rap and hide in a cabin in the woods to avoid a heart attack. And him n suge would of went to war once pac wanted out. Suge probably would of killed him just like suge would of killed dre if dre didn't hand over death row to him
@@88K-d6h whose that suge and his goons? Why did they not just handle their business with the punks that shot Tupac in quad studio?
Unfortunately there's rules to the game, so even if Lil Cease knows some shit he can't be on RUclips airing shit out, there's no benefit for some one to do that
That Jimmy Henchman and Haitian Jack question had him uncomfortable 😂
🤔😂shit nigga,wouldn’t you be,they still got connections out there in the streets 💪🏿
@@ericjohnson-ds5ll why ppl so feared of jimmy and jack
@@faz06 😂because they are just like some many people in our neighborhoods that we know slimy ass niggas that you got too watch all the damn time
@@faz06 they worked with the feds the way whitey Bulger did an in that type of arrangement not only are the feds ok with you wacking ppl but they give you help with it along with also taking down your competition so it gave jack and them the appearance of seeming untouchable an unstoppable which inspires fear in a major way.
It sure did. He hesitated for a min 😂
When you guys were in Cali for two months did Snoop ghost Biggie?
I noticed he hesitated on that Haitian Jack and Jimmy Henchman question…. You can tell them some serious dudes
Why would biggie have to school him about New York when PAC grew up most of his early life in New York? Cease ....🤔
I know Cease be wishing he was never smoking with Nino on the balcony that night 😂
Lol right
Biggie was all about living his best life... he had no idea about Puff's right hand man's (Jimmy Henchmen) personal vendetta with Pac.
What was the vendetta??
Why didn't these dudes try and talk to pac personally when pac thought these dudes set him up?
He's from NY
Art should’ve asked him why did Pac say Biggie & his crew left guns in his room
he asked him that. Look for the previous video. He said he didnt know nothing about it
In who’s room? I don’t get that part and what is that implying?
@@MDrepresentah Pac said they left guns in his hotel room nd he took that case for them
Bigg didn't know that shit was going down. Pac was Madd at first but realized bigg had nothing to do with that..he felt betrayed
How do you know?
Jimmy henchmen was outside quad studio with Puff
Henchmen owned quad or the building from what I understand. I also know that he had the BB camp in check
Art you so weong putting him in an almost interrogation. Idk if i like you much anymore. You got many bigtime gutter moments.
Don’t watch
Lil Cease has been telling the same story about 2Pac since day one. The same way it happened in the Biggie movie. I can see Biggie warning 2Pac about New York.
Yeah, it was in the movie because of fabrication
@@TDoubleYu The movie wasn't 100 percent that I know.