Really?! They literally said in the patch video 2 weeks ago that all the damage would still be counted even if it exceeded the hp that decapitated head had left.
@@aplear87 technical damage still counted 😁😁 but only for one hit. I think this all nonsence only ciz they introduce milestone rewards and realized that too many people geting them every week instead of only krakens
Wait, wait, wait.... they put Morag, an ally attack champion, into the PP Programme while simultaneously nerfing ally-attack? They are straight up trolling now...
There is also a bug with serpent's will appearing more often than it should. A burn tick between hydra heads respawning will bring them both back with serpent's will even if no other champs or hydra heads had a turn.
Also for FK she uses ally attack even when other skills are priority or set as Opener. RAID is not becoming terrible for no reason. There is some effort into it.
Nah. They won't. They never do. You either play or don't play and it's your choice. As long as people are spending money on it, they'll be ok with that.
@@43steelersfan43 It's different and takes some getting used to, but it's really good imo. Don't want to give any spoilers. Do give it a try when you can and see what you think.
Saph, please know that I love your videos, but in your 1st video after the change, you mentioned that a problem was overkill damage! Also, the CCs mentioned how crazy HP nukers became because of the changes. I finally started using Team Attacks and finally fused my Mikage, so I need to really think about how to use it. I get that they suck for not talking about it, but I hope that this video helps them make some more changes.
Yeah, he mentioned this before, I think he thought it was a bug then. Apparently he's upset that they fixed the bug after he figured out how to exploit it
@@Bruce-ez6zd well, they didn't really fix it, overkill is still calculated, not just for anything more than 1 attack. Clearly this is just complete incompetence from the dev team once again.
Yeah so Trunda is what i mean - because they allow overkill and the way she is configured she can hit extremely high numbers. If they deny overkill then she is much less valuable. This is the worst version - they allow overkill but only big single hits (which trunda is OP) so before we had competitive options (Teox/Ally Attack/Multihitters like gharol thor a1s etc) now we lose those also. So the overkill is specifically tailored for trunda.
Thanks for finding issues like this and making the community aware! I hope this was something unintended by Plarium. If not, this is a very sketchy move my Plarium. It would be dishonest not to call attention to this change, and a disservice to their player base who enjoys Hydra.
went from running 3 full manual teams all the way through enjoying min maxing now im just done with the game mode and slap it on auto, pretty much just dead content now
Every player who is a Hydra investor, needs to write in 1 ticket complaint to the company. Players WILL hear the call and band together. If anyone makes a video to do that, I'm sure that will get a lot of positive community traction.
Im done running manual hydra keys. Dont give af about the rewards. The people who work at this company are completely incompetent and lack any sort of ethics
THIS IS WHAT WE WERE SAYING! This is how it was on the test server before the patch went live and why we were saying they killed ally attack. Was very happy to be wrong about it...until now.
A game is supposed to be FUN. Dealing damage is FUN, it gives satisfaction and happiness. Why do they want the hydra to be this HARD ? It's frustrating enough, considering how competitive it is, and the rewards we get are random ?
Remember on the 1st live stream after hydra and ppl were saying Teox teams are dead cos heads will respawn when the 1st attack does overkill, guess we was all right lol at least Trunda will move even further ahead after they made hydra work like it should
My best team is now my Brutal team, which already got slightly screwed over because one of its main sources of damage is Alaz. And Alaz no longer guaranteed double hits on downed heads with his aoe because they don't count as being below half hp anymore. But now his double hit won't even proc in the first place with this change. Thanks Plarium.
Plarium said that they want to encourage more diversity in hydra teams but this additional change now eliminates a whole slew of potentially competitive comps. Seems counterintuitive to do this. Clearly not well thought through.
Hard to have diversity in the first place when very specific types of champions are needed to tackle this game mode from each hydra heads unique moveset.
Doesn't affect 'all teams'. Only the overpowered ones that can do huge damage. It will bring all players closer together in total damage, so that no one player can beat an entire clan. I saw evidence that it prevents all overage damage. Trunda/Thor is a problem now though.
Unfortunately this also affects low level teams, as in my case, I was barely getting a head down now completely, with some extra damage precisely from this multi attack, in order to get my one key on normal. NOW, I need to struggle even more! Hydra ain't for level 45 or whenever it's unlocked. It's for level 100 and a Trunda. GG. Thanks for the update!
on Ash's video Plarium said "they forgot " to add this change into the notes..lol..they must think we're morons..they didn't forget..their just screwing over their players
This is probably the logic behind this: Attack ONE enemy multiple time. When you cut of a head, the severed head is still the same enemy. If you kill the severed head, a NEW head/enemy spawns in its place in between multiple hits interupting the attack.
Instead of releasing a new clan boss that addresses the power creep of their game and is insanely hard they decide to obliterate the one piece of content that was fun.
Sucks. I was literally mid rebuild of my previous 4+bil hydra team. Now, we've got yet another change. They basically messed with Hydra rather than fix Hydra Clash. They don't understand the problem. It's fun to create teams that do billions of damage. People had fun with CB for years. The problem with Hydra is that they didn't think through Hydra Clash. And instead of fixing the problem, they screw with the hydra mechanics and at this point I can only assume it's to push people to spend.
The previous changes were harsh but because overall it was decreasing the gap between Trunda teams and non-trunda teams so at least it was a step in the right direction. Now they are increasing that gap back by killing ally attack and multi-hit champions! Wtf.. they better change this back..
Hey man we all feel the same pain. Hydra a late gamers fun area has been messed with. Everyone is less engaged with it . But surely this is an error as essentially they are devaluing skills that make champs what they are. Hopefully through cc's and Plarium chat channels we can get some clarity.
Just when I finally started building decent teams, they hit us with these nerfs. Unbelievable! It’s so infuriating. Why do they do this to the player base? Clearly, they don’t care about the community.
It looks like they don't even do the work themself, hire some dev for weekend work, pay him and hope it worked. I've called for new management since the start of 2024. Look how bad they fucked up this game since then...
Who's Trunda? I've been playing for 5 years and I've never seen a Trunda. She must be like that Rotos I've always heard about. Legends and myths. I mean, if they were actually real, surely I would have pulled one within 5 years of playing a game.....
Also.... since the previous Hydra changes, hasn't Plarium featured Teox in a summoning event? I seem to remember a lot of people pulling for him because he was going to be a gong show... so this seems extra-shitty of them to first 'sell' Teox to all the spenders, an then do a hidden unannounced nerf on him.
If Zero hp actually means zero hp, no overkill should count as damage/points. That does much more in leveling the playing field between ally attack and Trundra in this case. If the head only has 3 hp left and you can only get 3 points from 3 hp damage or 3 million damage, it doesn't matter. Yes it lowers everyone's damage but seems fair to me.
Plarium needs to clean house! Fire their game design team and higher people that know what they are doing! They would make so much more money and wouldnt have to “milk” the whales and Krackens so much.
They made it this way because too many people spent money getting Trunda and they would've/have gotten incredible backlash when they nerfed her initially
So they nerfed shield builds, ally attack builds multi hit builds, and ofc taunt builds, the thing they set out to fix is Trunda, Trunda is now still the best and only viable team outclassing any other set up, oh why is this always so predictable with Plarium. BTW Scratch was not happy I can tell you that.
I saw it during my run where everyone just stoped n no excess damage distribution. But was unsure. This just tiresome a company that forces you to play an unbalanced game.
I already hated the last hydra changes, but this is just stupid! Where the heck are the hits going?! Why are the champs not attacking? Totally unrealistic, this CANNOT be!
Guys I have a very mid-game account and at this level something very odd is going on ie I don't have the same issue discussed here. But, my damage today is averaging about 20% of my normal. Down at this level Hydra appears to be totally screwed. I'm getting runs with 10% of what I can normally hit. Very odd.
Hydra is pretty much dead for my FTP clan. We do enough to get our chest on move on with our day now. We used to win most of the time. That one hit damage from Trunda you showed is crazy.
I have 4 mythicals, 2x Mikage, 2x Toshiro. These changes castrate this combo and Toshiro isn't really useful anywhere else. Oh yeah.. and my current best team uses Marius...
I did not try after patch as i dont have any leys anymore - wonder if the turn meter still does not restart on decapitation and it can be it stays down for 1 turn instead of 2
I know it will never happen, But everyone needs to stop playing hydra mode until they fix or revert the changes. If everyone stops playing that game mode we show them they killed it.
Hydra before the big changes to trunda and wixwell was getting to be my favorite gameplay in the game and now i dont even wants to it, just got onryo at the krisk progressive, so was kinda stooked to get to use him and now its just not fun Note: i dont even got a trunda.
I’m personally ok with just the top chests which is easy to acquire(for me) and I didn’t need the extra hits, so I’m unbothered. I can the frustration, but I’m indifferent to the change.
Also theres something wonky with champ att pn auto. They initially always seem to wanna target living heads, not exposed necks. I am so fed up Iquit the game and deleted it today. And I am never going back...
Plarium wants people to quit playing their game
I was thinking the same
They succeded
Good thing I already quit then! 😂
I mean.....
Gonna play king arthur till godforge comes out..
Im so ready for Godforge
Same fateless seem like they understand things better
@@jamespb44 join king arthur
I checked the raid discord and they stated it’s not a bug either, insane
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Yeah I reported the same concern, got the same answer 😕
Wow, did not see that. I assumed it was likely a bug. So much for that!
Really?! They literally said in the patch video 2 weeks ago that all the damage would still be counted even if it exceeded the hp that decapitated head had left.
@@aplear87 technical damage still counted 😁😁 but only for one hit. I think this all nonsence only ciz they introduce milestone rewards and realized that too many people geting them every week instead of only krakens
Wait, wait, wait.... they put Morag, an ally attack champion, into the PP Programme while simultaneously nerfing ally-attack? They are straight up trolling now...
I smell a 10X event for Trunda coming soon 😂😂😂😂
or a new plarium paypoint champion with ally attack being added .... hmm...
According to Scratch, Plarium Devs told him that is the intended mode they went with and they ain't fixing anything
I've heard that the Ally Attack part is intended, while the Multi-Attack part is actually bring investigated as a bug.
We’ll see about that.
There is also a bug with serpent's will appearing more often than it should. A burn tick between hydra heads respawning will bring them both back with serpent's will even if no other champs or hydra heads had a turn.
It’s working as intended. 😅😢🤬
At this point, why they don't just remove Hydra? They clearly don't want us to engage in that content, so, remove it
My mikage always auto attacks serpents will still even with damage eligible heads up so they didn't even fix the AI
Yup, it's frustrating as all get out.
Also for FK she uses ally attack even when other skills are priority or set as Opener. RAID is not becoming terrible for no reason. There is some effort into it.
Skratch was doing a champion showcase in Test Server with King Garog and he had the same thing happened and he thought it was a bug as well xD
The only solution vs plarium : we all quit the game mode. No one plays it for 1 or 2 weeks. If we are united, we can force them by their "analyticals"
My clan might excuse me, but I rather leave than keep enabling Plarium
Sad thing is people won’t unite. If we did. It would help. 😊
Nah. They won't. They never do. You either play or don't play and it's your choice. As long as people are spending money on it, they'll be ok with that.
Playing king Arthur at the mo. Very good replacement for Raid. Not sure I'll be coming back to it.
Doesn't release for me yet until the end of the month. It looks amazing though. Can't wait to play it!
@@43steelersfan43 It's different and takes some getting used to, but it's really good imo. Don't want to give any spoilers. Do give it a try when you can and see what you think.
@@43steelersfan43 im playing on my ipad and im not in canada it easy on ios
Saph, please know that I love your videos, but in your 1st video after the change, you mentioned that a problem was overkill damage! Also, the CCs mentioned how crazy HP nukers became because of the changes. I finally started using Team Attacks and finally fused my Mikage, so I need to really think about how to use it. I get that they suck for not talking about it, but I hope that this video helps them make some more changes.
Yeah, he mentioned this before, I think he thought it was a bug then. Apparently he's upset that they fixed the bug after he figured out how to exploit it
@@Bruce-ez6zd well, they didn't really fix it, overkill is still calculated, not just for anything more than 1 attack. Clearly this is just complete incompetence from the dev team once again.
Yeah so Trunda is what i mean - because they allow overkill and the way she is configured she can hit extremely high numbers. If they deny overkill then she is much less valuable.
This is the worst version - they allow overkill but only big single hits (which trunda is OP) so before we had competitive options (Teox/Ally Attack/Multihitters like gharol thor a1s etc) now we lose those also.
So the overkill is specifically tailored for trunda.
Ah found what they did,the Loki bugfix for Hydra is what changed the entire code so now they dont wanna go in and fix the change.
Yeah, I'm not playing that any more. 36.6M and I'm out of there. **** 'em.
Thanks for finding issues like this and making the community aware! I hope this was something unintended by Plarium. If not, this is a very sketchy move my Plarium. It would be dishonest not to call attention to this change, and a disservice to their player base who enjoys Hydra.
We asked to fix the ally attack when mikage was targetting serpent buff and they fixed it in their way
They also have no idea how to test their updates or dont test them at all... Their level of incompetence is baffling.
went from running 3 full manual teams all the way through enjoying min maxing now im just done with the game mode and slap it on auto, pretty much just dead content now
Every player who is a Hydra investor, needs to write in 1 ticket complaint to the company. Players WILL hear the call and band together.
If anyone makes a video to do that, I'm sure that will get a lot of positive community traction.
This might actually make me quit
and herei was grinding marius missions to try and get him to try something with now i can just relax and leave hydra alone
5:38 The look on your face and the comment "They don't know what they're doing" says it all so well.
might aswell try king arthur
Im done running manual hydra keys. Dont give af about the rewards. The people who work at this company are completely incompetent and lack any sort of ethics
THIS IS WHAT WE WERE SAYING! This is how it was on the test server before the patch went live and why we were saying they killed ally attack. Was very happy to be wrong about it...until now.
A game is supposed to be FUN. Dealing damage is FUN, it gives satisfaction and happiness. Why do they want the hydra to be this HARD ? It's frustrating enough, considering how competitive it is, and the rewards we get are random ?
Just make Hydra immune to all damage and effects. Go for it.
They continue to ruin their own game. It’s amazing how they can be so oblivious.
Remember on the 1st live stream after hydra and ppl were saying Teox teams are dead cos heads will respawn when the 1st attack does overkill, guess we was all right lol at least Trunda will move even further ahead after they made hydra work like it should
I was surprised when it didn't but now the change to overkill feels worse.
Yea thats it on hydra progress for me. Already went from 400 mill 80 mill before this newest change, im over wasted effort
might aswell join king arthur
My best team is now my Brutal team, which already got slightly screwed over because one of its main sources of damage is Alaz. And Alaz no longer guaranteed double hits on downed heads with his aoe because they don't count as being below half hp anymore. But now his double hit won't even proc in the first place with this change. Thanks Plarium.
Taking abilities from users for balancing, is the lowest form of game design choice you can make. That has been true for decades. This is nuts.
Plarium said that they want to encourage more diversity in hydra teams but this additional change now eliminates a whole slew of potentially competitive comps. Seems counterintuitive to do this. Clearly not well thought through.
Hard to have diversity in the first place when very specific types of champions are needed to tackle this game mode from each hydra heads unique moveset.
Not well thought through my ass. They knew 100% what they were going for and it was not comp diversity.
I Have never Seen a Company That make so many wrong decisions Back to back to back like this You literally Pushing everyone Away
I did notice this in my run, thor got a decapitated head to 0 hp, his passive went off and it only attacked the other 3 heads.
ahahahahaaaaaa, i guess full time minecraft now
I honestly didn't notice it in my team with mikage, padraig, teox, and othorion. Actually had an PR on nightmare today.
Doesn't affect 'all teams'. Only the overpowered ones that can do huge damage. It will bring all players closer together in total damage, so that no one player can beat an entire clan.
I saw evidence that it prevents all overage damage. Trunda/Thor is a problem now though.
Unfortunately this also affects low level teams, as in my case, I was barely getting a head down now completely, with some extra damage precisely from this multi attack, in order to get my one key on normal. NOW, I need to struggle even more! Hydra ain't for level 45 or whenever it's unlocked. It's for level 100 and a Trunda. GG. Thanks for the update!
What the actual F. I just rebuilt my teams for ally attack.
its like they actively want to keep ruining hydra
on Ash's video Plarium said "they forgot " to add this change into the notes..lol..they must think we're morons..they didn't forget..their just screwing over their players
Try King Arthur Legends rise, great game to play until Godforge
Agree, best game out there next to raid
This is probably the logic behind this:
Attack ONE enemy multiple time. When you cut of a head, the severed head is still the same enemy. If you kill the severed head, a NEW head/enemy spawns in its place in between multiple hits interupting the attack.
I checked the code they actually exclude it from targetting - its still the same character but just invisible.
Instead of releasing a new clan boss that addresses the power creep of their game and is insanely hard they decide to obliterate the one piece of content that was fun.
Time to quit... unfortunately
What's most annoying is they say its because is causes issues but it's worked like this until now.
Sucks. I was literally mid rebuild of my previous 4+bil hydra team.
Now, we've got yet another change.
They basically messed with Hydra rather than fix Hydra Clash. They don't understand the problem.
It's fun to create teams that do billions of damage. People had fun with CB for years. The problem with Hydra is that they didn't think through Hydra Clash. And instead of fixing the problem, they screw with the hydra mechanics and at this point I can only assume it's to push people to spend.
i miss when playing raid wasn't a job
The previous changes were harsh but because overall it was decreasing the gap between Trunda teams and non-trunda teams so at least it was a step in the right direction. Now they are increasing that gap back by killing ally attack and multi-hit champions! Wtf.. they better change this back..
This has single handedly destroyed all my work on hydra. Thor, Georgid, Othorion are just 3 of my champions that have been rendered almost useless.
Hey man we all feel the same pain. Hydra a late gamers fun area has been messed with. Everyone is less engaged with it . But surely this is an error as essentially they are devaluing skills that make champs what they are. Hopefully through cc's and Plarium chat channels we can get some clarity.
Its almost as if they're rolling out a red carpet for godforge to come in and take their players. Lol gotta love it!
Just when I finally started building decent teams, they hit us with these nerfs. Unbelievable! It’s so infuriating. Why do they do this to the player base? Clearly, they don’t care about the community.
They said in their changes video that you can overkill heads and now you can’t. That’s crazy lol
Time to do a charge back.
It looks like they don't even do the work themself, hire some dev for weekend work, pay him and hope it worked. I've called for new management since the start of 2024. Look how bad they fucked up this game since then...
Who's Trunda? I've been playing for 5 years and I've never seen a Trunda. She must be like that Rotos I've always heard about. Legends and myths. I mean, if they were actually real, surely I would have pulled one within 5 years of playing a game.....
Same
Also.... since the previous Hydra changes, hasn't Plarium featured Teox in a summoning event?
I seem to remember a lot of people pulling for him because he was going to be a gong show... so this seems extra-shitty of them to first 'sell' Teox to all the spenders, an then do a hidden unannounced nerf on him.
If Zero hp actually means zero hp, no overkill should count as damage/points. That does much more in leveling the playing field between ally attack and Trundra in this case. If the head only has 3 hp left and you can only get 3 points from 3 hp damage or 3 million damage, it doesn't matter. Yes it lowers everyone's damage but seems fair to me.
Plarium needs to clean house! Fire their game design team and higher people that know what they are doing! They would make so much more money and wouldnt have to “milk” the whales and Krackens so much.
They made it this way because too many people spent money getting Trunda and they would've/have gotten incredible backlash when they nerfed her initially
So they nerfed shield builds, ally attack builds multi hit builds, and ofc taunt builds, the thing they set out to fix is Trunda, Trunda is now still the best and only viable team outclassing any other set up, oh why is this always so predictable with Plarium. BTW Scratch was not happy I can tell you that.
I lost 5 matches in a row in Live Arena after the update. This has never happened before.
I don't understand this change when the initial changes they made, they told us that over damage would be included. And now they take that away too!!!
Every time plarium makes an update I keep thinking I wish godforge was out already
king arthur
I saw it during my run where everyone just stoped n no excess damage distribution. But was unsure. This just tiresome a company that forces you to play an unbalanced game.
That and the "Win a live arena" quest, they really want to kill their game ....
My damage dealers in nightmare are gnut and marius so they're done. Brutal is mainly ally attack so great!
I already hated the last hydra changes, but this is just stupid! Where the heck are the hits going?! Why are the champs not attacking? Totally unrealistic, this CANNOT be!
Guys I have a very mid-game account and at this level something very odd is going on ie I don't have the same issue discussed here. But, my damage today is averaging about 20% of my normal. Down at this level Hydra appears to be totally screwed. I'm getting runs with 10% of what I can normally hit. Very odd.
They seem to be trying to lower the insane damage amounts scores because they are in the quintillions.
They never, ever, indicated Trunda would not remain number one. Just that the insane WR damages would be nerfed.
didnt they mention wanting her to be super strong? and werent happy with her initial nerf?
I am considering quiting the game, now that King Arthur has arrived.
I'm thinking very bad things about Plarium right now. Hard to reconcile such an overall great game with such mind-bogglingly dumb decisions.
Hydra is pretty much dead for my FTP clan. We do enough to get our chest on move on with our day now. We used to win most of the time. That one hit damage from Trunda you showed is crazy.
Damn I might have to come back to play👀 the sayians need a Trunda
I have 4 mythicals, 2x Mikage, 2x Toshiro. These changes castrate this combo and Toshiro isn't really useful anywhere else. Oh yeah.. and my current best team uses Marius...
4:13... the last time i laugh this hard was with the chicken counter bug in the test server....... hahahahahaha...
I did not try after patch as i dont have any leys anymore - wonder if the turn meter still does not restart on decapitation and it can be it stays down for 1 turn instead of 2
I know it will never happen, But everyone needs to stop playing hydra mode until they fix or revert the changes. If everyone stops playing that game mode we show them they killed it.
It's a good thing I already don't even open hydra mode
plariscam will come out and say these changes were unintentional
Started playing King Arthur today and left Raid alone for the first time in a year
The changes to exposed necks is the absolute worst thing they could have done for the way Hydra and clash works
Its actually insane how bad they are at "fixing" things....
Might aswell remove Hydra if they don’t want players hitting the rewards 😆
I didn't even have a damn Trunda (after 4 years still NEVER pulled one) and my hydra teams sucked. Screw hydra now, I'm done
I have skipped hydra for 2 weeks by accident because i have gone from 300-400m to 30-40m... none of my teams work anymore...
They just really want to see the new arthurian game succeed.
They need to revert hydra back entirely besides maybe the turn limit, and then just nerf trunda.
Hydra before the big changes to trunda and wixwell was getting to be my favorite gameplay in the game and now i dont even wants to it, just got onryo at the krisk progressive, so was kinda stooked to get to use him and now its just not fun
Note: i dont even got a trunda.
I’m personally ok with just the top chests which is easy to acquire(for me) and I didn’t need the extra hits, so I’m unbothered. I can the frustration, but I’m indifferent to the change.
I'm so confused by this. I truly can't comprehend how they think that this will encourage people to play the game?
All Hail Trunda, Eternal Queen of Hydra , supreme over all others!
Also theres something wonky with champ att pn auto. They initially always seem to wanna target living heads, not exposed necks. I am so fed up Iquit the game and deleted it today. And I am never going back...
Is this in the game now? I just play tested my Gnut and he still hit his A3 on an exposed neck two times after taking it out on his first.
I'm starting to wonder if someone at Plarium is shorting their own stocks on the market. It's the only reason that makes any sense.
I’m so glad I sold my account. The changes recently have been the biggest joke. How anyone still wants to play or spend on this is crazy to me