Elons latest Starship …HAT-TRICK of FAIL!
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Right now, I know more about spreading debris over the Gulf of Mexico and Indian Ocean than anyone else alive on Earth
I understood that reference
@@dinmavric5504 thanks, Cap
This will do numbers
Even if he said that, it wouldn't be true. His Raptor engineers though -- they can absolutely make that claim!
I think BP still has a standing claim on that
the difference is that nasa was run by a bunch of nerds looking to make scientific history, where spaceX is the birthchild of a billionaire who wants to be tony stark, but is more like tony stark from Temu. Which is far worse than being tony stark from Wish.
how's spacex any different? Now the nerds are all there.. they mastered reusable rocket and now Nasa flies with Spacex rocket because the couldn't create something that worked reliable
the difference is musk is actually trying IRL while most of NASA's achievements are just movies lol
Guy reads some books and thinks he's a rocket scientist, then starts throwing out all kinds of bold predictions without any idea how to actually make them work. I'd be surprised if he manages to put a man on the Moon within his lifetime.
at first when they tested a SLS rocket for Artemis I, I was so excited to
until I found the remaining Artemis missions are all relying on the untested Musk rocket ...
now it just saddens me
@@insanusmaximus2857 How I would love to see him put his A$$ on Mars in my lifetime! 🤣
"Right now, I know more about failure than anyone else alive on Earth."
- Me watching news on Musk.
These SpaceX launch videos have a definite cult meeting vibe going on.
More like cuck vibes
I think they hand out Molly beforehand.
You have no idea. I just got brain damage from someone saying Starship is a 100% reusable interplanetary capable rocket.
On a video celebrating Starship MELTING but through luck managing to land.
"At this point ACME knows more about space rockets than anyone else alive and I trust them with my life" - Wile E Coyote
🤣 Don't give him any ideas... 😊
Tbf, wile e coyote is alive an well.
@@benholroyd5221if only we could see the movie coyote v acme, but sadly it got booted.
Beep beep😂
Man wanted to own RL Stark Industries, instead created ACME.
Elon: That is not a typo.
Thunderf00t: No, its a lie.
*8 years later*
Reality: Still a lie.
Thunderf00t is a clown who always gets stuff wrong
@@automatedrussianbot8043
So?
That is the whole point of the video. To remind people that publicly funded space exploration (like the Apollo program!) is not supposed to burn that money on failed attempts.
No. Its to point out that when each attempt cost that much, we can't afford an iterative approach. Every single launch needs to count. So why is SpaceX not testing these systems on smaller scales, test them separately, and why are they testing things "to the point of failure". If they already know what the point of failure is well enough to know what that point is, why are you testing something you have an answer to.@@Assywalker
@@MysteicVoltronus
From my point of view we two seem to be in complete agreement :)
@MysteicVoltronus you think spaceX knows everything? They test them for a reason, doing smaller test just takes more time and money, their is a reason companies like Boeing take 2 dacades and 60x the money to build one rocket.
Musk sounded like a 10 year old when he was talking about restaurants inside of the space ship.
5 year old toddler. 10 year olds know better.
@@springer-qb4dv I have a 4 year old, you are probably right 😂😂😂
No, he sounded like Trump. A lie surpassed by the next lie
I like how he threw the plural in there... makes it sound like he is talking about a fucking shopping mall... with restaurants, movie theatres, a gym, public spaces :)
@@Baerchenization with brewery, spa, nail salon, and pickleball courts, the whole shebang. Hey he said it was going to be fun 😂😂😅
Right now, I know more about fraud than anyone alive.
Nah... he's definitely not that good.
He knows more about being a nepo-baby and wasting money/resources than anyone alive
This is funny and all but I do think he's beaten by Sam Bankman Fried.
@@brayannexon4613 to be fair, Sam Bankman Fraud did get caught and held accountable for his fraud. EM is still out there to this day working on his by pumping up his stock during earnings call just so he can get a 50+ billion bonus he definitely doesn't deserve and was approved by yes people at Tesla.
Right now I commited more crime and loss of wealth to the US tax payer then anyone alive.
They went from exploding in a test rig, to exploding on the launch pad, to exploding in flight, to exploding in low earth orbit. That’s a lot of progress. They still have to explode in high orbit, explode in transit, explode in moon orbit, explode on the moon, explode on the return trip and then explode on earth re-entry. So a way to go yet but I’m sure Elmo will do it step by step succeeding on every step on the way.
They will probably reach a point where the engines will *always* fail, similar to the unsolvable engine issues on the Soviet N1 rocket. The problems on that one were also caused by corner-cutting during early development. Save a little early to incur massive losses later is not a winning strategy.
Even the delusional Soviets eventually gave up on their project of a giant rocket with 30 tiny engines.
I mean, thats how iterative design works. Look at the number of test vehicles all the various national space programs exploded during their development. The hope was SpaceX would build on lessons already learned in the 60s, but alas, with idiot millionaires at the helm, it is not to be.
@@walterscientist The Soviets gave up on it because Korolev died, and he was the driving force of the project.
Every time a rocket explodes, just imagine that money and resources going towards actually helping people on earth
@@BeachLookingGuy Oh, I do. It's painful each time.
Right now, I know more about rapid unscheduled disassembly than anyone alive on Earth.
or was it "rabbit"
... or rabid unscheduled disassembly... 💥
see you just learned about iterative testing, why didn't Thunder tell u about that?
Never before in human history has one man over promised so much but under delivered everything.
overpromise on a bunch of stuff and still deliver 1% of it, you're still delivering a lot. Sad truth is SpaceX is single-handedly propping NASA and actually a lot of the European space administrations up, Starlink is revolutionizing telecomms. The other sad truth is without Tesla, the US electric car boom never would have started. Elon over promises a ridiculous amount, but we still owe him a lot. We literally wouldn't have a ride to the ISS without him, and the space force and other commercial industries would be fighting over the very few rockets out there that aren't russian. Boeing and other US companies dropped the ball hard and if spacex wasn't there to pick it up, it would be an ugly situation
@@moonasha everything you mentioned would have been fulfilled by other people in other companies. Maybe sooner, maybe later. Unfortunately Elon bullshits so much that we all have worked out that he has about 1% accuracy in his promises and predictions.
There was that guy who sold the Eiffel Tower twice 🤣
@@moonasha
Money and actual laborers are responaible for any amount of success in the projects. Elon is fungible.
@moonasha that's actual engineers in company getting dragged by Elon constantly yapping bullshit promise, not Elon somehow carrying weight or even contributing anything positive.
Honestly, getting every rich person on Earth to take a ride on a SpaceX rocket is the best idea Elon has ever had. I fully support it.
100%. Sadly the ones strapped in for the ride so far have been the taxpayer.
@@Ohmz27 Yes, and the reality if he ever starts selling seats will be mostly his fanboys trying to mortgage their lives for a ticket, only to find that all they bought was the short-cut to the graveyard.
Why?
@@kriptonis An absurdly large percentage of them either explode, or return to sea-level at mach 1 or better. And if by some chance they survive liftoff, their future on Mars won't be a long one, thanks to osteoporosis, heart failure and the effects of radiation exposure.
@@dmwalker24at the moment, but eventually they’ll get this rocket to the reliability of Falcon 9
I can't get over all of the interviews with some young beautiful interviewer where Elon is like "yes we're gonna do something awesome in x time frame but it's only a claim right now" and they're always like ohhhhh myy god this guy is a god it's totally true too.
That's how you not get fired as an interviewer😂
He's already destroyed 4 or 5 rockets, most of it going directly into the ocean? Why are they still allowing this?
When he explained how hyperloop "its a tube with an air hockey table, I swear its not that hard", the interviewer seemed rather sceptical tho
@@hernerweisenberg7052 air in a vacuum.. 😅
Maybe if the republicans hadn't spent all this time on their sham impeachment enquiry and had a look at musks grift they might have saved the American taxpayer a bit of money by shutting down this grift.@BillClinton228
Still, at least full self driving is just around the corner. Next year, I’ve heard!!
Yes, full self driving is just around the corner. Only problem is that it’s Tesla FSD so it’ll never make it around the corner.
@@crystal_clown That's the point, full self driving is always "next year"
You mean the self-driving that drove me to work today?
I heard interdimensional travel will be possible next year...
@@mstecker Self driving is Level 5 (Full Driving Automation). Your Tesla has just Level 2 (Partial Driving Automation) capability. It didn't drove you to work. It just assisted you.
"We use heat shields so we can recover the craft eventually" And here was me thinking it was so they could recover the crew!
We all know that flip maneuver to land will never be human certified.
@@derfvcderfvc7317 but than the hundred people will go up with 4-8 people per crew dragon? that is almost as many launches as they need to fuel the craft.
"We also installed this colander to drain the marinara from the pod"
The craft could deploy nearly 100 Starlink sattelites, maye that's the reason why he is still so obsessed about it.
@@stelleratorsuprise8185 But can you actually lauch so many satellites from one lauch vehicle and get them to their planned orbits? Of course, it'd be possible to use ion thrusters to put satellites to orbit, but they must also be "close enough" to steer there, otherwise energy requirements become too high. After all, satellite must be in precise orbit, and swarm of satellites must be placed in accurate pattern, to do the work they are designed for. Most of the energy that propels satellites to their orbit comes from the rocket propelling the satellites. And this means, they are on single vector at one time in one rocket. It's like a missile with multiple warheads, but no aerodynamics to assist spreading the warheads.
The way people hang on every word this guy says is crazy because they seem to also forget everything he's said in the past.
The only person that think Elon's words mean something is the creator of this channel because that is what he makes a living off.
@@ronald3836 clearly you have never seen Tesla stock price
@@jedmccullough7809 Tesla stock is just like bitcoin. Not for me.
@@ronald3836 and that's why you are broke. I just sold the 2.5 Bitcoin I got for 178k I paid 62k. I don't touch Tesla stock either but I wish I would have. I plan to reinvest 100k in Bitcoin if the price drops to 30k.
@@ronald3836 I'm just saying there are a ton of morons who think musk is a super genius.
The constant cheers from the SpaceX staff give me North Korea vibes.
If you don't cheer, you're cancelled.
@@edgarwalk5637
Says the free speech absolutist Elon
But they would read your comment and feel the same way you do when you watch those North Korean documentaries.
Watching the snippets of the SpaceX presenters in this is painful. North Korea at least has some class and humanity... which is saying something.
it's all AI footage?
Musk is the highest-paid science fantasy writer of all time.
What will you be saying when StarShip succeeds?
@@zachb1706I won't be alive in 100 years time so I won't be saying anything.
I can’t wait to come back to this video in 3 years time and laugh at comments like this. Thunderf00t has been wrong about SpaceX every time he makes a video but you guys still buy into his grift
@@zachb1706Tell me once MusX has stuck to his timeframe. He never has. Not once. Hope you signed up for a trip to Mars next year. Enjoy your trip.
Esoteric knowledge
Someone observed that Musk's space visions require Marvel Comic Universe technology to exist.
The anakin clips with him spinning killed me. lol
Every time you hear someone from SpaceX say "orders of magnitude" take a drink.
it is a very science-y thing to say
Nope, I like my liver and want to keep it
Sounds more professional than saying 100x
Musk might actually be a genius. He sells Mars tickets to all the billionaires to escape "enviroment disaster" (or whatever), they die (predictably), and he's wiped out most of the competition.
He's sending people to the moon first, Artemis.
That is brilliant, I had totally underestimated him. now it all becomes clear🤣
Can't claim a refund when you're scattered half way across the gulf of mexico!
Musk really is a genius in putting other people's money into his pockets.
Even if Tesla and SpaceX and Twitter will lose all value, he will still have billions parked in a safe place.
Hopefully, he'll board the ship with them like the other arrogant billionaire did with his ill-advised submarine.
No more blackouts, sounds like my 2021 new years resolution 😂
oof man xD
Somebody needs to make a comedy show about three multibillionaires crammed into a tiny spacecraft going to Mars. I'm looking at you, Netflix.
NASA started with a plan and tested the concepts and tech on the Mercury and Gemini missions, proving things like EVA, navigation, orbital rendezvous and docking were feasible. They designed the Saturn V, command module and lander using this knowledge and knocked it out the park. Starship meanwhile was designed to look like a rocket ship.
What was the failure rate of the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programs?
Yeah it is 2 different concepts.
If you have enough money and time Musks rapid testing concept works too, but it leads to spatacticular failures!
NASA had failures too
@@ZoomtronicBlogspot they put the man on the moon with the a 100th of the computer power of a 3DS
musk can't keep his 2 Billion (taxpayer) dollar toy from exploding
NASA and SpaceX work together on a variety of projects. SpaceX will play a large role in the Artemis mission to the moon. This launch tested a critical new fuel transfer method, successfully. @@matheussanthiago9685
At this stage, he might as well just build a Millennium Falcon...the propulsion system will come from aliens...
18 months.. 10x safer from tie fighters too..
And he would claim he invented it.
"Aluminum falcon" lol
Exactly, pull a Trump, and say aliens will pay for it too.
And the jammer from Space Balls
the starship dashcam vid looks like a kerbal build that is about to die.
Edit: Imagine telling a real rocket engineer they need to put a restaurant inside a space rocket. Like imagine their pained expression of trying to invent a zero g fat fryer to put a mcdonalds in space.
wtf are u talking about? yea its called a galley
@@TiberiusMaximus You know they eat re-hydrated dried food or boiled canned food and not like an actual kitchen. They call it a galley but it just a sink with really hot water.
Musk as a child: reads how Prof. Calculus, Tintin and Capt. Haddock go to the moon and back in a rocket.
Musk as an adult: “Hey! I have a GENIUS idea that nobody has ever thought of before! And I know more about it than anyone else on the planet!”
What I don't get is the Musk criticizes the government giving companies subsidies while his companies get massive subsidies. If I were the Government I'd say "Okay, we'll stop subsidizing your companies."
Not much of what Musk says makes logical sense
Would be interesting to see where SpaceX would be today if they didn't get all the R&D from Nasa for free.
@@ABaumstumpfhuh? Nasa barely did any R&D, most of the technology was developed in the private sector and NASA just used the research to assemble a rocket.
@@masoncomes6783 "Nasa barely did any R&D,"
Yeah, they did no research, other than the entire thing. You are quite delusional.
Could you imagine how much better off we’d be if the tax money used to fund private space enterprises went to nasa instead?
Elon Musk’s predictions are as accurate as a Jehovahs Witness predicting the end times.
Well I'd have to put a caveat on that that the Jehovah's Witness' are odds on to get it right one of these days.... Maybe. Musk, not so much.
@@randycampbell6307
Heat death is only a few hundred trillion years away right?
@@Michael-sb8jf'A few hundred trillion years'? That will happen much sooner...in five to seven billion years, life on earth will be over anyway. If humanity has not already extinguished itself beforehand. And the chances are pretty good that humanity has already achieved this.
@@Michael-sb8jfLess than 5 Billion, Scientists say.(according to calculated Sun's life) But there might be a chance, we are hit by a massive Meteor before that ("probability" at about every 6 bn years, and the last time was 4 Bn years ago.). In any way, What chance of survival would "predicting it" give anyway? It's not like we could evacuate to the moon, and say: "Missed". We still would be out of resources, to sustain ourselves.
Elon does it more often.You'd think more tries would give him better odds of being right...
Oh fantastic video. Almost no repeated content from earlier videos and you fully stayed on topic. Great!
We need to be a multiplanet species so we can watch the sun explode from different angles.
Whatever happens, this sentence put you in the place to be one of the most intelligent persons in my life.
Have a nice Day.
@@Erik-ou6ie thanks, that's the best thing I've ever heard in response to a comment. Have a nice day as well.
Hah, but that’s why we need to become and INTERSTELLAR species, so that we can see the heat death of the universe from so many angles at once.
By "clearing the launchpad" they meant completely obliterating it. Well done Elmo.
It's our fault for expecting they meant something else really.
Please refrain from disrespecting Elmo in this way. Neither he nor any other cast members from the Street would ever dream of blowing up tax payer funds that would be better spent educating children.
once, so?
Yeah, now imagine it doing that on the moon to land first, stay a week, then launch for it. And on the moon it wouldn't been a reinforced concrete surface, it would be just a dirt and rocks.
@@daznis have you seen the method that they use to land on the moon?
Look at the curved door mechanism. Very robust design. This is a prop. This is not designed to actually do anything. This is high school metal shop.
Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Homer won a kids' model building contest with his "replica" of Mr Burns' power plant.
its looked about as robust as a port-a-potty door
Please, don't compare high schoolers to elon. it's an insult to high schoolers
That is... Correct. I was thinking just the same.
Looking at the door mechanism.
Its as well made as a Tesla.
Challenger: "Obviously a major malfunction..." Muskship: "Yay!!! It was supposed to do that, right?" I was wondering about Elon's wandering accent, but Google helped me. I remember seeing the word "mishmash."
There's a huge difference between an operational mission carrying people and an unmanned experimental test flight.
NASA also had test unmanned test flights of rockets fail. Case in point: the AC-1, AC-3, AC-4, AC-5, and AC-8 test flight failures.
But you probably never heard of them, despite being able to name Challenger, because those failures really weren't big deals. NASA kept fixing the problems they found until it worked, and Atlas Centaur and it's derivatives went on to become a reliable workhorse rocket for decades to come - those early failures long since forgotten.
@@lazarus2691 Just pointing out how the watchers cheer wildly without realizing that things hadn't really gone that well. Hopefully Elon understands how the process works, I'm sure he has plenty of volunteers raring to go up. Maybe Challenger was a bad comparison, it was largely the result of bad administrative decisions. I remember how shocking it was.
@@tctheunbeliever Elon knowing isn't enough. It needs to be built into the entire organizational culture from top to bottom.
Fortunately, given their previous success with Falcon 9 and Dragon, there is reason to think that SpaceX are up to the task.
Falcon 9 FT is the most reliable rocket in history and it's not even close. You don't manage 300 successful launches in a row through sheer luck. Crew Dragon isn't as proven yet, but it's safely flown 50 people to orbit so far, which is a good start.
Perhaps most importantly though, is the fact that SpaceX didn't put any people on Falcon 9 until it's 87th successful launch. So when SpaceX say they want about 100 successful launches of Starship before they put people on it, there's good reason to think they will do just that.
NASA by comparison put people on the very first launch of Space Shuttle, when it was completely unproven. They wanted to put people on the first launch of SLS too, it was actually Congress that mandated the unmanned test flight be performed first. And of course we all know how putting people on Apollo 1 worked out.
The comparison with Biosphere 2 is a pretty good one. I did math estimates on getting such a thing out of the solar system a while back. I even acknowledged that Biosphere 2 hadn't actually succeeded, but that it was a close enough estimate for supporting 8 people, and that a factor of 10 one way or the other wouldn't really matter.
The "lowest fuel" cost from Sol to Alpha Centauri took "one Phobos of kerosene" (and a billion years). No joke, 8,728,724,371,657,847 kg of fuel to go from "in orbit around the sun where Earth is" to "in orbit around Alpha Centauri" using Merlin engines and no amount of redefining the starting and ending points or how you push the space craft up to speed out of the solar system matters (even a laser acceleration system on a Trojan asteroid only saves you about a third of your required fuel mass).
Landing on Mars takes a total 18.5km/s required delta-v to go from Earth surface to Martian surface. Napkin math says... 42,042,595,687kg of initial wet mass for a 31 million kg payload, if you did it in one go (which is the most efficient way to do it, smaller payloads means more support structure overhead dead-mass).
@Thunderf00t you should look up the hilarious news that Musks Cybertrucks are going rusty already as well as the door joines are like a guillotine for fingers
first tesla body panels have too much gaps.. now tesla body panels so tight they chop off fingers... can't win these days, lol
All teslas have bad build quality. 😂
Yeah but they look 70's techie!! So groovy!
The great thing about the cybertruck is that for once I am not in the slightest bit jealous over rich people being able to afford something I can't. I don't feel in any way envious of someone driving one.
@@baucelabs1159 they are both actually
we are only 5 years away 10 years from now lol
I'd rather some progress than none though right?
@@shearerforgold the "progress" at this rate means it'll take centuries for Spacex to replicate what NASA could do in 1969.
@@albertgriffith5801 could you imagine if musk had access to 5% of GDP for many years. that is the prior comparison for the only human rated moon rated vehicle. and when are we expecting a full demo of the space launch system (SLS) only 23 billion so far. it will be interesting to see who gets a man on the moon first.
@@shearerforgold Great, so far we've had none and how do you feel about that?
@@randycampbell6307 each launch got further than the last
So SpaceX is just basically playing Kerbal irl
Nah because Kerbal actually works as designed!
You just don't get it. This is not a simple rocket start - it's also a big bang simulation.
I can't imagine the early NASA employees whooping like idiots every time the Atlas and mercury rockets blew up.
wonder what thunderfoot fans would say when they find out where apollo 11 funds came from
@@automatedrussianbot8043 Our objections are to Musk's immense fraud, corruption and grifting. If you could separate yourself from Musk's cult, you might be able to understand.
Watch the move about the space race. If the FIRST Soviet rocket were to blew up the for 3-time, the head designer, and likely head engineers, should have gone to the gulag.
@automatedrussianbot8043 Nothing. It worked for the most part and met all it goals. The Elon train crash is doing no favours for space exploration. In the end people really will not want to spend on it because this clown blew it all, and laughed at them whilst doing it. He needs to have his ass hauled before a committee and asked some damn serious questions.
@@automatedrussianbot8043 I wonder what SpaceX fanboi's would say when billions of dollars of rockets are destroyed for zero gain instead of just using say, computer modelling. You do know this Starship HLS contract will get cancelled. This whole farce is beyond belief they have achieved nothing and are not likely to achieve anything for years.
He now wants to recycle the collapsed bridge. Just pick that steel out of the water and just rebuild the bridge like it was an erector set. Indeed the person that knows the most about manufacturing on the planet...
Musk's engineering degree is in Mega Blocks. He dropped out when it came to Lego.
Submarine rescue vibes
I am honestly beginning to think he is losing his marbles. His bonkers pronouncements are growing exponentially since he took over twitter, it seems to have pushed him over the edge.
I also love his suggestion to put the bridge building up for a commercial bid with incentives for early and safe completion. Such a novel concept, it's so different to how such things are typically done. How does he come up with these brilliant ideas?
@@tatata1543possibly effects from overuse of ketamine and Ambien
Just wait till Elon Clark Stanley starts selling you underground fallout bunkers 😂
18:23 "just a wonderful day". 🤣😭😂 cheers 🍻
Starship on the moon in 15 years is honestly the next cold fusion lmao
I'm sure they can produce some form of debris launched to the moon by that, and the fanboys will cheer!
I mean, if they improve the thrusters a bit more, get the trajectory correct and first and foremost don't try to relight the engines anymore they might be able to make a tiny crater on the moon with it...
Indeed! Fleischman and Pons are gutted that their next big thing has been superseded by space Jesus. I wonder if they’ve been playing about with rockets on the quiet…😂
the current architecture of the Artemis missions requite 18 orbital refueling maneuvers to fuel ONE lunar landing
and the refueling vehicle is the starship
guys, I think it's Joever
@@matheussanthiago9685I think they looked at the Vulcan bombing raid to the Falkland Islands, and thought 'thats a good idea'.
(Flew from Britain to the Falklands, the refueling planes required refueling planes, and those needed refueling too.)
As a US taxpayer I demand a congressional investigation into all contracts with Musk.
I'm not defending musks or his predictions but Vs cost plus model of old it is cheap Vs contacts of old.
This is so important. Guarantee it will be bipartisan too. NASA was what they wanted to remove in the goal of savings. (also guarantee, that there was far more than that in the goal of private companies and stock worth of people making decisions therein)
He's a billionaire... too many of them are in his pocket. Money talks peasants walk.
What about the 200 billion to Ukraine? Or the 400 billion to house illegal immigrants? That doesn't bother you?But a couple billion on starship gets your blood boiling? Lmao.
@@mjpayne95 yes it should be $500 billion to Ukraine.
Musk's real genius is that he can set the bar so low for himself that anything can be made into a massive win
9:10 A way to recognize Elon lying: stuttering...
The stutter is a critical part of his grift. Feign intelligence while garnering sympathy.
But he does that whenever he... ohhhhh...
Remember when we gave our taxpayer money to NASA, and the government owned the results of the most successful space program in world history?
That was when the computers used floppy disks. It was truly unbelievable.
@@debasishraychawdhurimagnetic tapes.
And now NASA is throwing the little money it has to fund for repeatedly failing attempts at Musk's dick extension, while getting the money by defunding programs that actually do work.
Challenger and Columbia?
@@tech5298 Ya and owned their mistakes too and didn't try to spin them as "success".
Elon is the PT Barnum of our age !
PT Barnum promised a show and he delivered. Musk promises a lot and mostly delivers a lot of shite.
He's more PT Barnum than Tony Stark, no question.
I like the effort you put into the editing like de-spinning the footage. Also superbly combined with the "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!" joke
That side-by-side comparison with the 60s rocket docu was embarrassing lmao
And that is not the entire route that Starship has to travel.Both SS and SH have to return, be re-certified for flight (ie checked for fatigue crack and wear), go back into space and do it all for less than the cost of a cheap single use rocket or be considered a failure like the space shuttle. SS and SH have a very long road still ahead.
"Iterative approach"
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I hate middle management buzzwords so, so much.
Works well with software, not so much in rocket engineering
@@dieenttauschung4124doesnt work well with all software either, just crappy front end stuff
@@dieenttauschung4124If you can spare the cost of building a whole new rocket for every minute falioure...
@@xwize Depends a bit on the definition of iterative (certainly, the bruteforce way of "try out without thinking until it works" is a horrible idea)
They didn't demonstrate that they could get the cargo into leo, they never achieved insertion velocity - with an empty rocket!
they didn't attempt insertion velocity. they attempted 95% of it to ensure it returned to earth over an ocean. its close enough to be the same energy.
if musk went with a conventional approach it would have succeeded as the shape of the traditional capsule is self stabilising. it wouldnt have mattered what angle they re-enterd at as the module would have rotated to point the right way. you see thunderfoots arguments are surface level and do not challenge design philosophy or development stratagy. note that the comparison is the sls system with a budget of 23 billion and is still years and billions away from putting a man back on the moon.
@@somethingfunny6867They ran out of fuel without even attempting insertion velocity.
@@somethingfunny6867 It might be close enough, but it's not orbital velocity! That's the whole point. They still need to prove that they can achieve it. Gagarin's first flight was with an orbital velocity of 27,5k km/h .IFT3 achieved only 26,5k km/h. And it hasn't proved that it can achieve it so far.
@@criticaleventthat is correct, does anybody know if starship was filled up 100% or partially like ~80%
@@knarfweasel We only know what the info graphics showed us, which was full tanks.
I'm not sure about the animated government propaganda video as evidence of the actual maiden flight.
You should debunk the whole Artemis program after this
So this is how intelligence dies with thunderous applause
Yes, but only if you assume that crowd of dudebros cheering at an exploding failure-rocket count as "intelligence", which I don't.
One of the monster give away's of what a farce/conjob spacex is!
@@EdwardHowton They are the death of intelligence.
*thunderous applesauce
Have you guys not seen the falcon rocket or something?
NASA says SpaceX failed to turn in their homework..
You know how so many fin-idiots say, private enterprise always produces better products than socialist government-owned ones...?
Correction: NASA _let SpaceX copy right off their answer sheet_ and says they failed to turn in their homework anyway.
It goes back to that old comment of mine that somehow made it into one of Tf00t's vids. SpaceX isn't reinventing the wheel here, but somehow that's what they're doing _by trying to add corners to it._ There's no reason why anyone should fail this badly when all the hard work was already done. This is purposeful.
And also granted them like 70% of their launch contracts for the next several years and relies on them to launch their astronauts lol.
@@EdwardHowtonbro are you insane? Spacex has literally changed the game for LEO launches. All of Europe just gave up because they can't make a rocket that competes and are using the falcon 9 to launch satellites. It's appropriate to hate musk, he sucks, but he is only one guy at spacex. Clearly his timelines are delusional, but not a single company has landed any first stages and they have some boosters that have done it 20 times. Like 200 landings so far?
@@gengar1187
IKR!! I'm like, tots posting these comments from Mars!!!
I'd be excited to see how the rocket would fail provided they were actually able to make it to the moon, hopefully without any living test subjects and in 4K.
Elon: By now I can confidently say that I know more about rapid unscheduled disassembly (RUD) than any human alive!
Also knows more about launching a rocket. As he does 90% of the launches in the US.
@@miguellopez3392 Too bad most of those launches are for SpaceX themselves and not a paying customer. That's why SpaceX have to do funding rounds every few months just to keep the lights on.
@@brett9308 its a good thing it cost spaceX way less than to launch their own rockets compared to paying others to do so, its what happen when you re use the same booster 20 times instead of once, it allowed them to build a internet network both used by civilians and needed by the pentagon in only 3 years when it took other companies 30 years to get to this point.
"Elon claimed..." is always a mark to know it doesn't happen
.....next year
"Elon says..." should always be translated to "Elon lies..."
You know spacex is the only company that can deliver and return humans from the ISS? Like they are the foremost space company. Extreme success. Like what do you want? The first prototype rocket will work? In what world. Same method as Falcon and Dragon. Also Elon's never failed to deliver. Used to be a skeptic like everyone here, but when you're putting astronauts in orbit, and the only company doing that, then I reconsidered my view. Watch actual physicists and rocket scientists talk about spacex and you'll see a different view from an armchair rocket scientist. People who do real stuff explain things on RUclips.
@@gramma677 "Elon's never failed to deliver" Now I know you're just another sycophantic Elon cultist.
Elon is a true visionary...
With all the orbital debris and his thousands of satellites Musk is doing more to prevent future safe missions than anything else.
Yep, all that space junk he keeps putting into orbit.
I hope they’ll send him the bill when it’s time to clean up.
That's what pisses me off about it more than anything!! That and him destroying the names of and potential competitors and being successful at it but still never really delivering, He's destroying the chances of people getting into space at this point!! How does stuff like this keep happening and how are they so popular with people?!!
@@Syrnian Starlink satellites deorbit themselves after 5 years. They aren't up there forever lol
@@GHOSTOFENGLAND
Where did I say the satellites were going to be in orbit forever?
Instead cyber truck has finally been released 😂
I see the thunderf00t's luna lander competed in the Crystal maze and still has 10 seconds of time in the Crystal dome.
Still waiting for musks' theranos moment
Theranos was a complete scam from start to finish, while with SpaceX actual rockets at least do exist.
I think it'd be a bit harder to fake these massive rockets in public lol
Waiting for him to ride in that rocket!!
Please let it be soon. Also get rid of Tesla once and for all. End the EV nonsense.
@@jessicaandtrains7768what nonsense about EV’s?
My guess is they will have a manned flight in 2036, the rocket blowing up during fueling will be seen as a huge success
aaaahahha!
You've got to test those fireproof spacesuits somehow
2056 after an actual space company with legitimate rocket scientists buys Space X for 1 cent
It could be a success. Depends on who we put on the rocket….
@@myeka1273SpaceX isn’t a legitimate space company? Are all those Falcon 9 launches a facade?
Has anyone noticed how the propellant levels are almost completely empty as it’s almost in orbit? The other thing that is empty is starship no 100 tones of payload. Interesting.
Is it interesting enough for you to research the answers or do you just like questioning things but never looking for the answer.
yes its meant to be refilled in orbit, next question.
do you think rocket fuel is infinite? is that what Thunders teaching u guys nowadays? Would u like me to explain the basics to you?
@@TiberiusMaximus it’s an empty shell bro, think about it, it only has enough fuel to send an empty shell into space it’s not that complicated.
@@Victor-vj5ds I’ve done research, enough to know what questions to ask. Elon is a man of failed promised I think it’s fitting to ask such questions.
Right now I know more about pooping than anyone alive. On Earth.
Is your name Triumph, the Insult Comic Dog?
look at what happened to the NASA director who didn't want to award SpaceX contracts, he was fired
The fundamentalist faith in "wealth".
Who was that NASA Director?
@@SDGregI think he's talking about Doug Loverro
@@technoman9000 You mean the guy who tried to give Boeing inside information for the Human Landing System?
@@SDGreg If you say so. I personally couldn't care less. I am just mentioning the name.
That space shuttle is so iconic.
By iconic you mean it's killed more astronauts than any other spacecraft in history?
@@TwitchyMofodon’t worry, Elmo promised people would die while on his ships heading for Mars.
@@sandraboyd7468 I don't think he said on his ships. Just on Mars. And if it's a permanent outpost on Mars of course people will die. It's an ultra hazardous environment.
@@TwitchyMofo Space travel is risky business.
@@TwitchyMofo "than any other spacecraft in history?"
Oh yeah, the first ever reusable spacecraft in history also had the most accidents. A program that was running for some 40 years. Back when there was no proven technology for that, back when people could only dream of CAD-programs and the design was still mostly done by hand....
But contrary to SpaceX they managed to achieve what they set out to do.
What did SpaceX say? Manned orbiters by 2010, and they wanted to be on mars in 2018?
Hi, person who graduated in aerospace engineering here. The idea to compare Saturn 5 rockets with Starships doesn't make as much sense as it seems at first glance.
1. Starships are made for economies of scale in mind, with that comes cost efficiencies through the reduction of non-recurring item proportional costs. What that means is blowing up a Saturn 5 costs comparatively about an order of magnitude more than blowing up a Starship even though the rockets are of roughly similar scale. Case in point, there are about as many starships built/in production today than there have been Saturn 5 rockets built throughout the entire history of the Apollo program for comparatively about 1 order of magnitude less money (inflation adjusted) and a decade less of activity. The assumed figure of 1B$ per rocket is just flat out ridiculous when accounting for all SpaceX activities and boosters built and the infrastructure that is a non-recurring item. At best, a unit cost for a complete Starship is likely closer to 100-200M$ (close to typical Boeing 7XX planes, who would have thought building with a similar amount of materials would cost similar), with operating costs being divided over the amount of launches and adding the maintenance/refurbishement.
2. The business model changes drastically if the objectives of reusability are met (even at 1-2 orders of magnitude more than the stated 24h turnout inspirational goal). The true cost of losing a testing rocket are just not the same between a rocket you know is a single use item and will always be versus one you know may eventually be reused through the iterative destructive testing because the costs are spread out to the whole program. The reuse creates a cost recuperation mechanism that is significant enough to justify the short term loss of a certain amount of rockets in the early phase of the program. Business wise, this is pretty solid, even though it looks subjectively worse in the short term initially. The Falcon 9 is a perfect example, many were lost during the first attempts to land, now it is the work horse of the vast majority of launches in the world for being cheaper to operate.
3. Blowing up rockets is just not the deal breaker people want to make it look like. Every single Saturn 5 rocket ever made has exploded/broken after launch... because they were designed to be discarded. For some reason, I don't hear much complaints about this. The reasoning just doesn't add up as a real criticism. If making a Starship booster comparatively cost 5-10x less per booster (and it just does, objectively) and you actively want to test advanced new technologies and fundamentally different techniques to eventually make the booster reusable and mass manufacturing friendly, I really don't see why blowing up items that will already be discarded at some point should be an issue. None of these boosters were ever intended to survive testing to begin with and none of the preceeding 1970s boosters ever survived either.
4. Technology development takes time, delays are frequent. Discarding progress based on delays based on the optimistic words of one man (although an arguably important one for the company) is flimsy at best, developping the Saturn 5 took about as long as the Starship anyway. It's also easy to see the launch cadence of Starships is progressing and not slowing down. This is where the iterative development starts to shine. Testing the same amount of rockets for Saturn 5 as is planned to be tested on the Starship program would have been completely impossible and this is just the beginning. There are many boosters at Boca Chica just sitting and waiting to launch with minor incremental adjustments and by the time they fly, more will be ready to test. Investing in the infrastructure to build more rapidly and cheaply takes more time initially but rewards in the long term as an improved operation capacity. In comparison with the traditional approach that led to the SLS (more comparable to the Saturn 5), Spacex has launched 3 times already with technologies that were developed over the last decade. The SLS has... launched succesfully a single time and operates on technology that is from the 1970-80s and still took 20 years of development and 10x the costs (and no other rockets are currently ready to fly). In comparison to the Starship, the SLS exploding during a test would have been a program ending disaster. The Starship exploding for a test flight is basically comparable to using a car for crash testing, it's an embedded cost of doing business.
5. Unlike Thunderfoot, everyone in the aerospace industry is actually quite interested in the development of the Starship regardless of its success on Artemis or on the promise of sending people to Mars. Massive payload masses open up a lot of opportunities (which don't exist yet because there was no launch capacity for it) : space stations, commercial payloads like constellations, larger interplanetary missions for NASA, space infrastructure developments like fuel depots, larger space telescopes, lunar activities, etc. I work in the industry myself and everyone I work with is basically glued to their screen watching every single Starship launch and keeping up with the program to see where it leads the industry... because it really has potential to reshape a lot of things. The reason no one has designed a payload for Starship sized vehicles yet is just because there are fundamental risks of execution associated with building and designing things you know you can't launch in space. If the vehicle exists and only has to be modified a bit to accomodate your needs... the proposition to design a large payload fundamentally changes from science-fiction to a question of budget and imagination.
like i always said: thunderf and his alcolytes have no idea about engineering, manufacturing, construction, markets, finances, .... well, nothing except localized and easily debunkable stuff.
Thank you for an unbiased view. I find Elon's constant over-promising tiring, but so is thunderfoot's ranting about him. Even if it takes ten times longer and more money to get anywhere useful with starship than was planned, what SpaceX is doing is pretty impressive.
There is space station already, you didn't know that? There are interplanetary missions, lunar activities, etc. Starship is failure from beginning. You should really watch Destin's video from Smarter Every Day on Starship and why it is unpractical idea.
Stop talking sense. That is NOT what this RUclips channel is about. Go make your own etc etc etc
@@dresscode4197 A spacestation that is nearing the end of its service. Having a rocket ready to lift. 100 ton modules for its possible successor would be great. All spaceflight is a matter of compromise due to weight. A superheavy launcher at a reasonable pricetag would be most welcome.
8 commercials, double the time of content. What a disgrace youtube
The number of ads is set by the the channel owner 🤷🏻♂️
It seems like musk should start working on making fusion power reactors. After all, those are only 10 years away and have been for decades
i'm sure He will say He can do it in 3 years ! 🤣 All You have to do is just give HIM Your money ! lol 🤣
They have been just around the corner since 1957
"It's not that hard - honestly - it's just a big microwave and a donut"
Imagine if Musk had 1000+ hours in Kerbal Space Program.
He would maybe get why you need to let stuff behind to get anywhere.
Gee… it wasn’t perfect the first, second, or third time. It’s almost like they’re using an iterative design philosophy to produce the rocket significantly faster or something!
Why not title it “I have no idea what the fuck I’m talking about!”
Damn right
So true dude, you'd figure a Ph.D RUclipsr would've explained that to his followers or something. The comments are hilarious and at the same time ignorant as f. They have actual examples of iterative design, Falcon 9 and Raptor to look at yet can't see it.
@@TiberiusMaximus they just hate Elon so they trash Space X
@@TiberiusMaximus that’s because they don’t really care at the end of the day. They just don’t like Elon, do they’ll accept any excuse. Whether it makes sense or not. Regardless of how stupid they look.
@@TiberiusMaximus Thunderfoot knows what he is doing. This is how he gets views.
Stop crowing about schedules. Being late is part of large projects. Focus on what is impossible. That’s why we watch you.
Thunderf00t is going to call for a train to space someday soon. That is efficient.
On another video, I was confidently assured by many that Saturn V's successes were pedestrian at best, and besides, Starship is a totally new idea which, by default, makes it better because why should we want to simply reproduce the completely not-a-big-deal of landing on the moon.... in 1969... I mean, it makes so much sense now that all these not-rocket-scientists have told me Apollo was nothing special.
I do not believe it is quiet feasable to reconstruct Saturn V, and its certainly not trivial to convert it into a low orbit heavy lift platform. But it probably would have been more cost effective than the crap going on with starship at this point.
No improvement in specific impulse, after all these decades
@@noylj1To improve chemical rocket specific impulse from HYDROLOX you ned to use something mad like FOOF. TO actually have a viable tanks size, you are stuck with RP1. We had better specific impulse in the 60s with NERVA, but for some reason people didnt trust to put nuclear reactors into rocket engines.
@@noylj1 Government should amend the constitution to change the laws [of physics] to solve this problem.
@@whuzzzup And make pi = 3.0
I am pretty sure "rapid unscheduled disassembly" is a phrase much older than SpaceX, and just another thing they appropriated.
Yes.
Goes back to the Vietnam debacle
It can be traced back to the 70’s and probably earlier. Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly, Rapid Unplanned Disassembly, Rapid Unintentional Disassembly, Rapid Unplanned Disassembly Event, they’ve been used by NASA, the military and even in a sailing magazine.
Pretty soon we’ll hear about SpaceX discovering “Lithobraking”.
As a former Underwater Ceramics Technician I raise my cap to you.
The term was popularized by Kerbal Space Program in the early 2010's. Elon stole it form Jebadiah Kerman and the rest of the Kerbals. All the gamer nerds cheered when they recognized he said a thing from the thing they knew.
I haven't had notifications from you in months, even with the bell on.
@Thunderf00t I have always been impressed by your models. Thanks again for another great video!
I like how they all look at each other (after it explodes) to check whether everyone else viewed the explosion as a positive development of some sort. And they celebrate (by cheering hysterically).
I reckon that there is a standing order in Space-X for emplyees to cheer during RUD events. Its all part of the PR spin they put on for the shareholders.
Under Musk, a company doesn´t create products, they sell dreams and promises, and in the absence of anything real, they sell the illusion of progress.
You're right. They're seeking guidance on how to feel.
Are we allowed? Lol
It's the same when a balloon pops near a baby: they look to the parents' reaction so they know whether to laugh or cry.
"I am Iron Man, what? Me test drive that thing? No way, I'll let the idiots that buy it test it". And the crowd goes wild.
"I'll let the idiots that buy it pay me extra money to test it. lololol..."
@@WinstonSmith685SpaceX cut their contract so NASA could afford it
Cheering at failure. Hilarious!
Ask FElon "when" the answer is always this time next year.....
which year? "this" year! lol
"Rapid, unscheduled disassembly" sounds like lawyer talk to get around saying "blew the heck up"
its a meme from KSP
It's "The front fell off" - in space!
@@ricksterallain _"its a meme from KSP"_
Is it?
Hahahaha.. Musk even steals 'his' jokes.. 🤣🤣
now where did I hear that one before
* wavely woobly flashback *
''3 day special military operation''
To be fair, it was a joke long before KSP (or SpaceX) to call destroying something as "rapid unscheduled disassembly". And when it was first used within the SpaceX context, it was to mock them. But for some weird reason, they actually started using it...
BOOM! Here comes the BOOM! How do ya like me now?
Here comes the boys from the South!
How does SpaceX compare to the competition in this area? Like didn't NASA also give Boeing money to make their Starliner, which is yet to successfully carry humans into space?
I think a lot of your criticisms are valid, however it seems to me that in this industry projects going over budget and being delayed a lot can be a common occurrence, even when you don't have a manic CEO such as Musk.
On the products that have actually been delivered (as opposed to the ones that we can not definitively judge yet), like Falcon 9 and Dragon 2 how does SpaceX stack up to the competition, have they been way more expensive and inefficient as you suggest or have they just overpromised a lot but delivered a product that's actually not too bad?
There is no over budget here anyway. It’s a fixed contract
SpaceX destroys its competition, they launched 90% of the US cargo last year. Pretty much none of thunderfoots criticisms are valid.
I dont know what makes Elon a "manic"
was he ever accused of going to Epstein's island like our man Richard Branson? or President Clinton
Most of his companies are successful, they are all noticeable by the public and are vital to humanity, he is the Tony Stark of our time
Thank you, still love your work
I wouldn't call a dislike of musk irrational.
I could assure Musk that it is nothing personal. I dislike all car salesmen.
"I'll start spinning, that will do the trick".... 🤣🤣🤣
now this is pod-racing
Well, It worked on those water rockets we used to launch whe. We we're kids.
A little optimistic. But it’s happening. I thought you said that they would never make money landing rockets.
It's a "surprise disassembly". Everyone loves a surprise, right?
Edit: I typed that sarcastically before the actual clip of the woman calling it an "unplanned disassembly".
this guy makes nigerian scammers look like amateurs
This is what you get when you replace a hierarchy based on competence (NASA being an excellent example of a competence hierarchy), with a power hierarchy controlled by a car salesman. Expensive fireworks
NASA and SpaceX work together on a variety of projects. Including the upcoming Artemis manned mission to the moon. NASA have literally contracted SpaceX to design new systems for it. This launch successfully tested a new fuel transfer system. Also the heaviest cargo load ever taken into space.
He doesn't make these engineering decisions. No involvement.
And NASA I
Has gone DEILGBTQ+
Nasa being "excellent example of a competence hierarchy" gave up on reusable rockets ages ago and spacex proved them wrong. Your just saying words you dont understand.
The NASA method is alright, slow and steady. The SpaceX method brings you faster development for less money though, and with more forward-thinking engineering. I'd take the SpaceX method any day
@@Jean428 I would like to visit the moon, but with Musk in charge you are more than welcome to go first. Just tell me when, so I remember an umbrella when I go outside🤣
Elon Musk’s attempts to get into space just fuel the conspiracy theory that we never landed on the moon. He makes the difficult look impossible.
He will be remembered for the most obnoxious man ever.
The Musk Enrichment System is the true propellant of SpaceX.
Musk enrichment service system
Mess
Actually the "Enrichment System" is dysfunctional, mostly sabotaged by Musk himself, it's like burning gold to keep the fire burning, turning gold into waste, but hey it's cold outside.
I am not an expert on this stuff, but it's nice seeing the creator making such informative and eye-opening videos for average dummies, who are not in space and math stuff. Not to mention, it's entertaining to watch.
As always, more information than you probably should have explained. I honestly hope you stay safe my friend. We need more people like you around but not the many people with money would like it too much. I always hope to get move content from you. You are the voice of reason and your voice is what everyone needs to hear. I hope you stay around for years to come.
He could send people to orbit today... he never guaranteed they will return anyway.
Well, he could send them into the stratosphere and spread them out...
I think they'd probably return, just not in one piece
laika style
musk is such a visionary he revived soviet animal testing standards
Or stay in one piece.
@@squorsh In many pieces... and before achieving low-earth orbit.