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Used the Orea V3 with kalita filter and a ZP6 grinder this morning. Makes a good consistent cup. Thanks for all your research and time that goes into these videos!
How do you like your ZP6? What grind setting are you using for the Orea? I just recieved a Kalita wave as I am trying different brew methods. I also got a K-Max to see the difference. In my experience so far, the K-Max is making more fines. Will have to keep testing though. I have a lot to learn. Thanks!
I think it’s fair to point out the April is designed with a very specific recipe and brewing idea in mind. It’s also why I find it best with those coffee that can be brewed that way. I tried using it with other recipes but I simply never found them to be working nearly as well as the one April invented for it. Also it comes in both plastic and glass as well and it dos change the profile to some extent and it really should be used with April filters that has different draw dawn then kalita. And I think this is true with many brewers, if you brew in a specific way that will benefit a certain brewer over another, brewing it in another then that might change in favour of another. In other words if you tailor the recipe to what you got for the right dynamic I don’t think the choice of brewer is a make it or break it.
I can never get the fast initial flow, followed by long drawdown times that the April coffee guy gets. Either I don't have space in the brewer for my initial pours, OR the coffee stops brewing at 2:00. Grinding with the 1Zpresso K-Plus (April approved if it matters)
I always wonder why the Blue Bottle flat bottom dripper does not get more mention. Created in 2016 just after the Kalita Wave in 2015, it's been around a long time and tested. I have a couple.
The April Brewer has versions in glass, plastic and there is an experimental one in wood under study. Other good alternatives are the Timemore B75, whose design and materials offer great consistency and zero resistance to flow. It's wonderful. At the other side of the spectrum, the December Dripper is the Clever or Hario Switch of flat bottoms. Allows you to play alternating immersion and percolation. Very interesting. I would like to see this comparison including the manufacturer's recommended recipe, as this is supposed to be the way the dripper delivers its best performance. Like in an MMA fight, each with their specialty
I really like my Orea V3 and I swap between using a Kalita Filter to a Sibarist FAST Filter every now and then... I think I prefer the Sibarist but I certainly don't like the much higher cost.
The V60 is my daily driver and will remain so. I love it. But I will take your word for it that the Oreo V3 is really good. One day I will venture there I am sure. But till then, it will be V60 for me.
Have been looking forward for a review of these, thank you. Edit: Having now watched whole video, indeed "thank you". Will be adding a FBB to my collection and I think you have confirmed my previous inclination. All the Best, and stay safe
It's a bit of a hipster pick, but my flat bottom brewer of choice is actually the Torch Mountain. I don't mind the Kalita that I have, but I find I can brew a more balanced cup with the Torch.
Honestly surprised the mountain dripper by torch isn't popular. From the look of it its basically a ceramic orea and was made way before Orea brewer came out. Maybe not enough marketing? or not as widely available since it was made and released in Japan.
Was always frustrated with stalling on my v60 so for years I never brewed filter. Got an orea v2 a few months ago upon recommendation and it really opened my eyes. Very happy customer
As a Orea Supporter and fan boy from day 1: it's my daily driver since I've got it. The material choice makes it superior to its predecessor Mk2 v1 (aluminum, for those who don't know it).
I didn’t have the chance to try the other Orea versions, but I do love that they’ve been able to make changes pretty swiftly and it’s most definitely been worth it.
You made me buy the orea v3 with your last video about it, I didn't like it as much tbh, the draw down is too fast, even tweaking my grind, I still prefer the April brewer ( I have the plastic one)
Sweet sweet minutiae...haha. Aint' that the truth?! I have been enjoying the Orea these past few months, and contrasting it with other non-espresso methods. I've also found a metal filter that fits it well...and all its accompanying fines glory. Honestly, I don't consider my palate refined enough to dwell on the minutiae too much. And that said, I can't fathom how one flat bottom can be that much better or worse than another. I do like that the Orea is made from 100% recycled materials. Though that did not overly sway me towards it. Its size is markedly smaller than a typical V60, which incites comparatively smaller and thus more frequent additions of water.
The Orea is a great option, I definitely use it the most, and because I spend so much time fussing over espresso it’s a nice change of pace. And in the grand scheme, the taste differences aren’t massive, but they’re there.
I do generally agree with your assessment. What makes the Stagg and Orea standout is the ability to brew as almost no bypass. Stagg would also benefit from elevating the filter bottom from the brewer to reduce stalling. Orea is my daily driver!
Interesting comparison, thank you! Is there any chance to see a similar comparison of V-shaped drippers like Melitta and Kalita 101 Hasami? Any thoughts about them?
I have used the Blue Bottle Dripper for about 6 months in parallel with a 185 metal Kalita Wave. It is essentially a ceramic Kalita Wave, but with horizontal ridges and a single larger hole. I have never experienced any clogging with it, as with the metal Kalita it was around 1 brew out of 3, even with a tea strainer (Rao-Gagné) in the bottom. The Blue Bottle offers great consistency , sweetness and body. Clarity is less present than a V60, but Kenyan and Ethiopian coffees are still complex with a vibrant initial acidity. You should try it out!
I still find my V60 to be, by far, the most consistent brewer I have or have used. It's not always as crystal clear as some of the flat bottoms, but it's always very sweet and consistent.
I have the opposite experience: v60 is way less consistent than flat bottom for my pour overs. I tend to get uneven extraction which I’m assuming is due to my technique
@@vl507 Consistent means it's easy to get the same coffee brew-to-brew. You are right in that it extacts less evenly than a flat bottom brewer, but that will always be the case due to geometry
It would be cool to see the Orea up against your favorite conical brewer. Also, the Stagg X seems good, but the fact that it's twice the price of all the others is ridiculous. It's not twice the brewer clearly.
I went from a v60 plastic to a glass switch...I love the immersion brewer but also can use it just as a regular v60 too, wondering how much different or is it worth it to go to a orea v3?
I’ve found that I typically have to grind way finer for the stagg x than I do for any other pour over method to get the most out of it. It’s a bit finicky to get used to, but I’ve had some of my most excellent brews with it
I tend to grind around medium for most flat bottom drippers as I tend to get stalling if I go much finer, but as grinders do they definitely vary widely from one to another.
@@Sprometheus I use a flair screen at the bottom of most of my flat bottom drippers to prevent stalling and I generally get a faster drain time, and what I’ve found with the Stagg is that I usually have to grind finer than even my v60. Fantastic content as always and definitely looking at getting an Orea dripper!
I've used 4 of these 5, and I brew the April v2 (hitech plastic) every day, and use April filters. Love it! In terms of consistency 10/10 every cup is as excellent as the last cup. I also follow Patrik's pouring method, which is very simple, 100ml + 100ml unless you're brewing larger cup, then just add another +100... (with the correct dose). I rank the Orea slightly behind April. I noted that the Orea drawdown was faster than April, I thought too fast, so I probably needed somewhat finer grind, but I did not use and tweak Orea enough, perhaps because it is narrower at the top and just slightly awkward to dump the ground beans into the brewer. In that regard I think April has the widest opening at the top, even wider than Kalita, so April is not identical shape and side angle of Kalita. April was "engineered" to produce consistently delicious coffee.
I have 4 of the 5 drippers except the Bloom and I have a few versions of the Kalita wave. For me it is really a toss up between Orea and the April with the edge just slightly with the Orea. There are a few things that annoy me about the Stagg. The circumference is tight so I can't use my Melo drip. And I don't like that the 185 filters don't exactly fit. Like you mentioned its can be a bit inconsistent.
I have the Orea, April and Timemore B75. The timemore is my favorite! It has a super fast flow and steep angle. Compared with the Orea + sibarist fast filters, with the Timemore I can go finer with less contact time which brings up all the juiciness of the world! I like that the Orea has more filter options tho. The April is also practical but the quality of the plastic of the V1 is not very sturdy. Hope they fixed it with version 2.
@@dan138zig 20g in, 300g brew water. 3 pours of 100g if you want the brew a bit more sweet and less crisp, 2 pours of 150g if you want a but more juicyness and less astringency. You gotta grind quite fine that you are used to. Soft water of course is a must!
@@fokcuk i have the SSP brew in the Fellow ode and all you need to do is explore a touch finer grind spectrum. That is the whole point of the fast flow brewers.
Could you do a video of the original 1 hole bonmac vs a modern brewer like the Orea? I want to know if the technology really pulls out that much more from the coffee.
one more in the orea v3 camp right here. I use their filters with the negotiator. Really happy with the setup... cool video man! Thanks for sharing see you next week 👊
What is all the hype about manual pour over flat or cone shaped drippers for purchase? If anyone has or a flat bottomed brew basket from a coffee maker that has a removable brew basket with a handle. you can simply use that with a flat bottomed filter and do a pour over. Some manual pour over baskets are $ 40.00 or more. That is crazy. Basically, a coffee brew basket is a "Funnel" A basket with a tiny whole on the bottom. Save your money.
i am genuinely shocked some of these companies can claim there is any technology or groundbreaking intellectual property behind these things that justify their cost i don't get it
I am looking for a flat bottom brewer to add to my collection, hence why I am here. Fellow stagg is a definitely no for me for exactly the reason you mention about Fellow is a company. I was debating between the wave and Orea now I will look at Orea more closely.
I like flat bottom droppers that use Kalita filters, saves buying different filters otherwise. Currently I have the Orea and Timemore Crystal Eye flat bottom. Looking forward to purchasing the orange April when it’s released.
Yeah, I’m with you. I mean, the April and Fellow have their own filters, and they’re fine, but I like the simplicity of having one filter that’s easy to get for as many drippers as possible.
@@Sprometheus I have used the Kalita filters with April (hitech plastic) but April filters have a faster drawdown that has a positive effect on flavor.
I always wondered why barely anyone talks about or has the Mountain dripper by Torch. Its basically a Orea v3 but ceramic and has a wood holder/base also I believe it came out a long time ago way before the Orea.
Yes I always wonder why it is not as widely known. It is a very fast dripper and I like the way it heats up quite easily being a thinner ceramic build than other ceramic drippers.
Been using the Orea V3 since it’s launch. Haven’t touched my other brewers since. I’ve recently switched to using a flat bottom cloth filter designed for the Kalita 185 and it’s offered a great balance between clarity, sweetness, and a slightly fuller body. I was surprised at how little difference there is between paper and cloth filters in the final cup.
I got myself the Glowbeans Gabi Master A this week, and I'm loving it. You can use it in an automatic setting, with the provided shower module, or as a normal flat-bottom brewer. It takes the Kalita 155 filters, and is plastic, which somewhat helps with thermal management.
I was a kickstarter backer for the ESPRO, really fast brewer, but since the filters cost too much, after the initial batch it is now officially a metal filter for me, works great to filter out cold brew or even using it as a strainer... but as a coffee filter itself, not really cost efficient.
I got mine through Kickstarter, as well. With my preferred light-med roast coffee, I tend to go V60 (or Mugen), but when I have darker roasts, I find them best brewed in a FB like the Bloom (with paper) or ceramic Cofil (no paper).
Not Fair. Not Fair. Your video showed Kalita filter put into the first generation ceramic April. Ceramic April uses the small size April filters. The Oversized Kalita 185 filters over flows the Top of the April Ceramic Dripper. Causing Inferior tasting and profile.
Says you. Go ahead and make your own video, do your own testing. I ain’t got the time to meet every random expectation of every random arm chair barista on the internet.
Great vid Spro. I daily Fellow. I want the Orea. Does it take a Kalita Wave filter? I also have the Kalita Wave in my office at work so I daily that as well. thanks
I used to not love brewing with flat bottom drippers and would always reach for a v60 - likely due to the struggle of stalling on Kalita and less vibrancy. BUT I took a chance in the Orea and I fell back in love with flat bottom drippers. I think the fast flow rate of the Orea helps to create consistency but also you can grind much finer than normal or grind coarse and play around with multi-stage pours rendering very different cups. Good video
check slow pour supply- I think this black stand comes with one of their scales (black mirror 2 might be the one)- last time I checked this was not available as a stand alone item although they have stands in a couple different colors...
I've been using v60 for the past 2 years but recently tried both April and Timemore B75 because it's the one that according to review was closest to Orea despite costing way less (the ceramic model cost less than half while the plastic cost about a fifth). When it comes to flat-bottom brewer, I almost always pick up the B75 over the April because it was so forgiving. However, certain coffee does shine better with conical, in which case I would use a hybrid mugen/switch.
Thanks for the comparison! I've recently acquired the F70 flat bottom brewer which works great with doses between 9-20g right now. I'll likely soon get the Orea since it has a large sweet spot.
You’re welcome, and I have P70 as well. I found it to be a solid option, and I appreciate the faster brew times I got from it compared to other cone drippers.
My coffee life is a living hell. I have the Orea v3, April, Timemore B75, Blue Bottle dripper, and they all clog almost every time. I have no idea what's going on. Grinder is a Fellow Ode v2.
I love the Orea. So simple to use,very consistent and you can tailor the cup to your preference with a wide range of grind settings. The only thing I like more is the heat retention from a very well warmed up Fellow Stagg X but that's it the Fellow is not as consistent and lacks the clarity I love about the Orea brews. Still if you hate acidic cups then you can get a super sweet cup from the Fellow but not as dynamic in my books.
I just ran across this one yesterday. Are you familiar with the Ceado Hoop Coffee Brewer ? Interesting design with no bypass. Maybe one for you to review ?! Thanks
I don't think it makes much sense to compare different brewers by using the same recipe/ratio/grind size/etc. By tweaking all those parameters your final thoughts could be quite different
I like the V60 simply because the papers are 40% the price of the Kalita papers. It feels weird having almost 20% of the cost of my cup being the Kalita paper
I've got a metal Kalita 185, and used to never have issues with stalling. It brewed some of the most delicious cups I've had, with a wonderful balance of sweetness and body and origin characteristics... But lately I can't get anything shorter than an 8 minute brew. Same water, coffee, filters, technique - All of the sudden I'm seeing why people have issues with the metal Wave. Now, I'm just sorry I didn't pick up an Orea when they were in stock lol
It’s wild how that happens. I wonder if the issue is the grinder? Is it the same grinder? Have the burrs began to produce more fines? And yeah, the biggest downside to the Orea is availability, hoping they will have that squared away soon.
@@Sprometheus I'm using the 1zPresso K-Max, grinding at a 6 +/- a couple clicks depending on the beans, using the 4:6 method. It does usually leave me with a pretty muddy looking bed, but the cups I was getting before were delicious so I didn't really feel a need to change. If you have any advice though, I would be happy to listen from a master 😁
It looks like you used the Kalita 185 instead of the 155. I have read that the larger dripper did not produce as good a brew for smaller doses like the 15 grams you tested. Have you considered testing the 155 instead of the 185?
The brewing dynamics on the Orea are designed for faster brews, but I guess the question I have is what makes you want to slow it down? Is the coffee not tasting good?
I prefer Kalita Stainless Steel Wave 185. In term of usage, it is unbeatable. It absorbs heat, but at the same time, the brewer can be preheated very easily. The material allows me to bring it everywhere without a concern of breaking. It uses “normal” cupcake style filter, which is easy to buy. I enjoys to use glass, crystal or ceramic brewer at home, but these materials need more time to pre-heat, and they are breakable. They are not good to use I. Outdoor environment.
Hi, great detailed review..... can't seem to get my hands on orea always sold out so gave up and ordered x bloom ha ha, anyway do have another source recommendation for orea or just of there site? Also where/ what stand is that? Thanks!
Possibly a silly question but why do you brew into a separate container before transferring to the cup? Does this not lose a load of temperature etc? Or is that maybe the point
I wish orea and kalita would do a collab. The size of the 185, and the holes and material of the v3. I like to brew 500ml. And can do it with the v3 but almost overfilling 😅
Great video. I'm excited for you to show us this newfangled HOOP no-bypass pour-over brewer from CEADO. Doubt it'll be a game-changer but looks kinda neat on their website.
I use Orea v3 as every day quick morning coffee as it is so consistent in terms of extraction and grind size won't effect the extraction speed much. On the other hand, I use V60 to explore full potential of any interesting coffee beans during weekend majorly as it is more versatile so can be controlled towards to any flavour that I wanna enhance.
Filter selection is a step in dialing in brew time for me. As there are 20+ filter options for cone drippers, and 2 for flat bottom drippers, that side of the fence never appealed to me.
Great video! When I worked in a couple shops in Denver years ago, the metal Kalita 185 was the go to. Although Kalita changed the bottom ridge design and effectively ruined it. If I recall there's also a large difference in flow rates between the porcelain and metal and glass versions. I have a Timemore B75 in the mail and would love to hear your review of it eventually! Greater flow rate and ridges vertically that I assume minimize bypass.
@@Sprometheus one of my friends swears by it. Even faster than the Orea. Tried a few myself and I found that even with pretty fine grind sizes, I can get to a total brew time of 2:30 in most tries. Its build might not be the best but it’s quite good for what it is. Orea is great too but sold out (at least in most Canadian shops here). Great vid nonetheless!
I really enjoyed the April dripper. I think my only issue has been inconsistency. Not sure if it was the filters or my pouring technique as I am fairly new, but I have found the Orea much more consistent.
I think I’m going to experiment with the kalita wave by removing the side folds of the filter and brewing with only the bottom circle of the filter. I’ll pour easy to attempt to minimize turbulence and brew basically a zero bypass style brew
Okay, good, so it's not my imagination. I enjoy the Bloom's simplicity but also found its flavor to be lacking every time, somehow. I thought it was something I did wrong.
I use it with some doodling variables. I use a WDT on the bed or wet WDT or instead of swirling for agitation, I spin it around atop a glass carafe on the scale bed. I may pour and wait between each 100 grams. Some darker roasts have done pours over Melodripper. Really roast matters. So, not basic, but amused and initially was troubleshooting from probable channeling. Think initial bed quality shows the problem with the bed during the bloom, so that lead me to do the wet WDT on a 1:3 for the bloom first pour.
Thanks for the excellent video! As a novice in the pourover world (my 10 year old Keurig just died, so you can see where I'm coming from) this is such a refreshing, informative, and concise review. Now, if only there was anywhere in the world that I could purchase the Orea V3 - out of stock everywhere, everywhere.
I have the Kalita and the Espro Bloom that you reviewed. (and I've been on the fence about getting the Orea- although that might have changed since watching your video) My go to brewers are Kalita Wave and Origami with the Kalita filters. I never had much luck, myself, with the Bloom. Thanks for your reviews as always.
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Used the Orea V3 with kalita filter and a ZP6 grinder this morning. Makes a good consistent cup.
Thanks for all your research and time that goes into these videos!
I have a ZP6 on the way 🥳
Thanks Bradley, I appreciate that. And I’m glad to hear you had a proper cup this morning, have a great weekend!
@@SprometheusHope you have a good weekend as well! As an espresso newbie, your content has also helped too.
How do you like your ZP6? What grind setting are you using for the Orea? I just recieved a Kalita wave as I am trying different brew methods. I also got a K-Max to see the difference. In my experience so far, the K-Max is making more fines. Will have to keep testing though. I have a lot to learn. Thanks!
I think it’s fair to point out the April is designed with a very specific recipe and brewing idea in mind. It’s also why I find it best with those coffee that can be brewed that way. I tried using it with other recipes but I simply never found them to be working nearly as well as the one April invented for it. Also it comes in both plastic and glass as well and it dos change the profile to some extent and it really should be used with April filters that has different draw dawn then kalita.
And I think this is true with many brewers, if you brew in a specific way that will benefit a certain brewer over another, brewing it in another then that might change in favour of another.
In other words if you tailor the recipe to what you got for the right dynamic I don’t think the choice of brewer is a make it or break it.
I can never get the fast initial flow, followed by long drawdown times that the April coffee guy gets. Either I don't have space in the brewer for my initial pours, OR the coffee stops brewing at 2:00. Grinding with the 1Zpresso K-Plus (April approved if it matters)
@@Mandragara I fortunately never had that issue, my brews are generally within their recommendations time… that’s with both the Ode or Pietro
Absolutely. Great comments.
@@patrikrolf8432 This official haha
@@mikni4069 what grind size with the ode?
Thank you my friend.
You’re welcome, and thank you for being here! Cheers!
I always wonder why the Blue Bottle flat bottom dripper does not get more mention. Created in 2016 just after the Kalita Wave in 2015, it's been around a long time and tested. I have a couple.
I think it's the best. I am waiting on an Orea right now.
The April Brewer has versions in glass, plastic and there is an experimental one in wood under study.
Other good alternatives are the Timemore B75, whose design and materials offer great consistency and zero resistance to flow. It's wonderful.
At the other side of the spectrum, the December Dripper is the Clever or Hario Switch of flat bottoms. Allows you to play alternating immersion and percolation. Very interesting.
I would like to see this comparison including the manufacturer's recommended recipe, as this is supposed to be the way the dripper delivers its best performance. Like in an MMA fight, each with their specialty
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I really enjoy the April dripper. No complications, just consistent flow rate for most of the brew.
thx, orea v3 is pretty cool, I l'm using it every day
I really like my Orea V3 and I swap between using a Kalita Filter to a Sibarist FAST Filter every now and then... I think I prefer the Sibarist but I certainly don't like the much higher cost.
Thanks for the vid! Really want an Orea but struggling to find in stock. Hopefully will be able to replace my Kalita with it soon!
The V60 is my daily driver and will remain so. I love it. But I will take your word for it that the Oreo V3 is really good. One day I will venture there I am sure. But till then, it will be V60 for me.
Same!
Have been looking forward for a review of these, thank you. Edit: Having now watched whole video, indeed "thank you". Will be adding a FBB to my collection and I think you have confirmed my previous inclination. All the Best, and stay safe
You’re welcome Alan, and thanks for watching and commenting! Have a great weekend.
It's a bit of a hipster pick, but my flat bottom brewer of choice is actually the Torch Mountain. I don't mind the Kalita that I have, but I find I can brew a more balanced cup with the Torch.
Honestly surprised the mountain dripper by torch isn't popular. From the look of it its basically a ceramic orea and was made way before Orea brewer came out. Maybe not enough marketing? or not as widely available since it was made and released in Japan.
Was always frustrated with stalling on my v60 so for years I never brewed filter. Got an orea v2 a few months ago upon recommendation and it really opened my eyes. Very happy customer
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As a Orea Supporter and fan boy from day 1: it's my daily driver since I've got it. The material choice makes it superior to its predecessor Mk2 v1 (aluminum, for those who don't know it).
I didn’t have the chance to try the other Orea versions, but I do love that they’ve been able to make changes pretty swiftly and it’s most definitely been worth it.
But do you use Kalita Filter or the original Orea Filter?
I’ve tried going back to my V2 but it was just not as consistent as the V3. Such a shame, it looks cool though.
Should I get small or large
You made me buy the orea v3 with your last video about it, I didn't like it as much tbh, the draw down is too fast, even tweaking my grind, I still prefer the April brewer ( I have the plastic one)
If it can't make a 500g pourover it's worthless to me.
Sweet sweet minutiae...haha. Aint' that the truth?!
I have been enjoying the Orea these past few months, and contrasting it with other non-espresso methods. I've also found a metal filter that fits it well...and all its accompanying fines glory.
Honestly, I don't consider my palate refined enough to dwell on the minutiae too much. And that said, I can't fathom how one flat bottom can be that much better or worse than another.
I do like that the Orea is made from 100% recycled materials. Though that did not overly sway me towards it. Its size is markedly smaller than a typical V60, which incites comparatively smaller and thus more frequent additions of water.
The Orea is a great option, I definitely use it the most, and because I spend so much time fussing over espresso it’s a nice change of pace.
And in the grand scheme, the taste differences aren’t massive, but they’re there.
I do generally agree with your assessment. What makes the Stagg and Orea standout is the ability to brew as almost no bypass. Stagg would also benefit from elevating the filter bottom from the brewer to reduce stalling. Orea is my daily driver!
Interesting comparison, thank you!
Is there any chance to see a similar comparison of V-shaped drippers like Melitta and Kalita 101 Hasami? Any thoughts about them?
I have used the Blue Bottle Dripper for about 6 months in parallel with a 185 metal Kalita Wave.
It is essentially a ceramic Kalita Wave, but with horizontal ridges and a single larger hole. I have never experienced any clogging with it, as with the metal Kalita it was around 1 brew out of 3, even with a tea strainer (Rao-Gagné) in the bottom.
The Blue Bottle offers great consistency , sweetness and body. Clarity is less present than a V60, but Kenyan and Ethiopian coffees are still complex with a vibrant initial acidity.
You should try it out!
I have the exact same experience as you when it comes to Stagg X, orea, April. Stagg X is just the beauty and the beast for me and my daily go-to!
I still find my V60 to be, by far, the most consistent brewer I have or have used. It's not always as crystal clear as some of the flat bottoms, but it's always very sweet and consistent.
I have the opposite experience: v60 is way less consistent than flat bottom for my pour overs. I tend to get uneven extraction which I’m assuming is due to my technique
@@vl507 Consistent means it's easy to get the same coffee brew-to-brew. You are right in that it extacts less evenly than a flat bottom brewer, but that will always be the case due to geometry
It would be cool to see the Orea up against your favorite conical brewer. Also, the Stagg X seems good, but the fact that it's twice the price of all the others is ridiculous. It's not twice the brewer clearly.
I went from a v60 plastic to a glass switch...I love the immersion brewer but also can use it just as a regular v60 too, wondering how much different or is it worth it to go to a orea v3?
I’ve found that I typically have to grind way finer for the stagg x than I do for any other pour over method to get the most out of it. It’s a bit finicky to get used to, but I’ve had some of my most excellent brews with it
I tend to grind around medium for most flat bottom drippers as I tend to get stalling if I go much finer, but as grinders do they definitely vary widely from one to another.
@@Sprometheus I use a flair screen at the bottom of most of my flat bottom drippers to prevent stalling and I generally get a faster drain time, and what I’ve found with the Stagg is that I usually have to grind finer than even my v60. Fantastic content as always and definitely looking at getting an Orea dripper!
I've used 4 of these 5, and I brew the April v2 (hitech plastic) every day, and use April filters. Love it! In terms of consistency 10/10 every cup is as excellent as the last cup. I also follow Patrik's pouring method, which is very simple, 100ml + 100ml unless you're brewing larger cup, then just add another +100... (with the correct dose). I rank the Orea slightly behind April. I noted that the Orea drawdown was faster than April, I thought too fast, so I probably needed somewhat finer grind, but I did not use and tweak Orea enough, perhaps because it is narrower at the top and just slightly awkward to dump the ground beans into the brewer. In that regard I think April has the widest opening at the top, even wider than Kalita, so April is not identical shape and side angle of Kalita. April was "engineered" to produce consistently delicious coffee.
I have 4 of the 5 drippers except the Bloom and I have a few versions of the Kalita wave. For me it is really a toss up between Orea and the April with the edge just slightly with the Orea.
There are a few things that annoy me about the Stagg. The circumference is tight so I can't use my Melo drip. And I don't like that the 185 filters don't exactly fit. Like you mentioned its can be a bit inconsistent.
I have the Orea, April and Timemore B75. The timemore is my favorite! It has a super fast flow and steep angle. Compared with the Orea + sibarist fast filters, with the Timemore I can go finer with less contact time which brings up all the juiciness of the world! I like that the Orea has more filter options tho. The April is also practical but the quality of the plastic of the V1 is not very sturdy. Hope they fixed it with version 2.
Do you mind sharing your b75 recipe? Been struggling to make a good cup
With B75 I find that it drains too quickly, especially paired with a good grinder that produces little fines
@@dan138zig 20g in, 300g brew water. 3 pours of 100g if you want the brew a bit more sweet and less crisp, 2 pours of 150g if you want a but more juicyness and less astringency. You gotta grind quite fine that you are used to. Soft water of course is a must!
@@fokcuk i have the SSP brew in the Fellow ode and all you need to do is explore a touch finer grind spectrum. That is the whole point of the fast flow brewers.
Could you do a video of the original 1 hole bonmac vs a modern brewer like the Orea?
I want to know if the technology really pulls out that much more from the coffee.
one more in the orea v3 camp right here. I use their filters with the negotiator. Really happy with the setup... cool video man! Thanks for sharing see you next week 👊
What is all the hype about manual pour over flat or cone shaped drippers for purchase?
If anyone has or a flat bottomed brew basket from a coffee maker that has a removable brew basket with a handle. you can simply use that with a flat bottomed filter and do a pour over. Some manual pour over baskets are $ 40.00 or more. That is crazy.
Basically, a coffee brew basket is a "Funnel" A basket with a tiny whole on the bottom. Save your money.
i am genuinely shocked some of these companies can claim there is any technology or groundbreaking intellectual property behind these things that justify their cost
i don't get it
Did you also try the Bloom without the paper filter?
I have a V60 and the Orea V3 and have found them to be a very solid combo for pour-overs. I've been very happy especially with the V3
I am looking for a flat bottom brewer to add to my collection, hence why I am here. Fellow stagg is a definitely no for me for exactly the reason you mention about Fellow is a company. I was debating between the wave and Orea now I will look at Orea more closely.
I have 4 of the 5 of the brewers and agree the ones for me are the Orea V3 and April brewer. I have the ceramic and the V2 model.
I like flat bottom droppers that use Kalita filters, saves buying different filters otherwise. Currently I have the Orea and Timemore Crystal Eye flat bottom. Looking forward to purchasing the orange April when it’s released.
Yeah, I’m with you. I mean, the April and Fellow have their own filters, and they’re fine, but I like the simplicity of having one filter that’s easy to get for as many drippers as possible.
crystal eye has a flat bottom? Thought it was like v60 like.
@@Sprometheus I have used the Kalita filters with April (hitech plastic) but April filters have a faster drawdown that has a positive effect on flavor.
@@mixeddrinks8100 Timemore B75 is the flat bottom dripper in the same ‘crystal’ plastic as the original crystal eye dripper.
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I always wondered why barely anyone talks about or has the Mountain dripper by Torch. Its basically a Orea v3 but ceramic and has a wood holder/base also I believe it came out a long time ago way before the Orea.
Yes I always wonder why it is not as widely known. It is a very fast dripper and I like the way it heats up quite easily being a thinner ceramic build than other ceramic drippers.
Been using the Orea V3 since it’s launch. Haven’t touched my other brewers since. I’ve recently switched to using a flat bottom cloth filter designed for the Kalita 185 and it’s offered a great balance between clarity, sweetness, and a slightly fuller body. I was surprised at how little difference there is between paper and cloth filters in the final cup.
I got myself the Glowbeans Gabi Master A this week, and I'm loving it. You can use it in an automatic setting, with the provided shower module, or as a normal flat-bottom brewer. It takes the Kalita 155 filters, and is plastic, which somewhat helps with thermal management.
I was a kickstarter backer for the ESPRO, really fast brewer, but since the filters cost too much, after the initial batch it is now officially a metal filter for me, works great to filter out cold brew or even using it as a strainer... but as a coffee filter itself, not really cost efficient.
I got mine through Kickstarter, as well. With my preferred light-med roast coffee, I tend to go V60 (or Mugen), but when I have darker roasts, I find them best brewed in a FB like the Bloom (with paper) or ceramic Cofil (no paper).
يبقي hario v60 هو الافضل مهما جربت
لانه اكثر قمع يعطي طعم متوازن و تحكم اكبر
Not Fair. Not Fair.
Your video showed Kalita filter put into the first generation ceramic April. Ceramic April uses the small size April filters. The Oversized Kalita 185 filters over flows the Top of the April Ceramic Dripper. Causing Inferior tasting and profile.
Says you. Go ahead and make your own video, do your own testing. I ain’t got the time to meet every random expectation of every random arm chair barista on the internet.
Great vid Spro. I daily Fellow. I want the Orea. Does it take a Kalita Wave filter? I also have the Kalita Wave in my office at work so I daily that as well. thanks
Thanks Todd, and yeah the Orea does take the Kalita filters, that’s what I used in this video across the board, except with the Espro Bloom of course.
Clever dripper for the win!
I used to not love brewing with flat bottom drippers and would always reach for a v60 - likely due to the struggle of stalling on Kalita and less vibrancy. BUT I took a chance in the Orea and I fell back in love with flat bottom drippers. I think the fast flow rate of the Orea helps to create consistency but also you can grind much finer than normal or grind coarse and play around with multi-stage pours rendering very different cups. Good video
I was 100% in the same boat. The V60 was my go to before for the same reasons.
The inconsistency of the filter folds on those final shots … nope.
Hey coffee fam, what is the brewer stand? I’d love to get one :)
check slow pour supply- I think this black stand comes with one of their scales (black mirror 2 might be the one)- last time I checked this was not available as a stand alone item although they have stands in a couple different colors...
@@davidrogala7597 thanks brother, I’ll check them out.
I've been using v60 for the past 2 years but recently tried both April and Timemore B75 because it's the one that according to review was closest to Orea despite costing way less (the ceramic model cost less than half while the plastic cost about a fifth). When it comes to flat-bottom brewer, I almost always pick up the B75 over the April because it was so forgiving. However, certain coffee does shine better with conical, in which case I would use a hybrid mugen/switch.
Thanks for the comparison! I've recently acquired the F70 flat bottom brewer which works great with doses between 9-20g right now. I'll likely soon get the Orea since it has a large sweet spot.
St. Anthony Industries does a great job. I enjoy using the Phoenix70 and most of their equipment.
You’re welcome, and I have P70 as well. I found it to be a solid option, and I appreciate the faster brew times I got from it compared to other cone drippers.
My coffee life is a living hell. I have the Orea v3, April, Timemore B75, Blue Bottle dripper, and they all clog almost every time. I have no idea what's going on. Grinder is a Fellow Ode v2.
I love the Orea. So simple to use,very consistent and you can tailor the cup to your preference with a wide range of grind settings. The only thing I like more is the heat retention from a very well warmed up Fellow Stagg X but that's it the Fellow is not as consistent and lacks the clarity I love about the Orea brews. Still if you hate acidic cups then you can get a super sweet cup from the Fellow but not as dynamic in my books.
I just ran across this one yesterday. Are you familiar with the Ceado Hoop Coffee Brewer ? Interesting design with no bypass. Maybe one for you to review ?! Thanks
I don't think it makes much sense to compare different brewers by using the same recipe/ratio/grind size/etc. By tweaking all those parameters your final thoughts could be quite different
I like the V60 simply because the papers are 40% the price of the Kalita papers. It feels weird having almost 20% of the cost of my cup being the Kalita paper
I've got a metal Kalita 185, and used to never have issues with stalling. It brewed some of the most delicious cups I've had, with a wonderful balance of sweetness and body and origin characteristics...
But lately I can't get anything shorter than an 8 minute brew. Same water, coffee, filters, technique - All of the sudden I'm seeing why people have issues with the metal Wave. Now, I'm just sorry I didn't pick up an Orea when they were in stock lol
It’s wild how that happens. I wonder if the issue is the grinder? Is it the same grinder? Have the burrs began to produce more fines? And yeah, the biggest downside to the Orea is availability, hoping they will have that squared away soon.
@@Sprometheus I'm using the 1zPresso K-Max, grinding at a 6 +/- a couple clicks depending on the beans, using the 4:6 method. It does usually leave me with a pretty muddy looking bed, but the cups I was getting before were delicious so I didn't really feel a need to change.
If you have any advice though, I would be happy to listen from a master 😁
Maybe pour height might be aggravating fines migration
It looks like you used the Kalita 185 instead of the 155. I have read that the larger dripper did not produce as good a brew for smaller doses like the 15 grams you tested. Have you considered testing the 155 instead of the 185?
Going finer and finer with Orea trying to get over 2 min total brew….! Do these things tend to brew fast requiring finer grinding?
The brewing dynamics on the Orea are designed for faster brews, but I guess the question I have is what makes you want to slow it down? Is the coffee not tasting good?
@@Sprometheus it’s ok! I was just trying to get numbers closer to yours as a starting point.
I prefer Kalita Stainless Steel Wave 185. In term of usage, it is unbeatable. It absorbs heat, but at the same time, the brewer can be preheated very easily. The material allows me to bring it everywhere without a concern of breaking. It uses “normal” cupcake style filter, which is easy to buy.
I enjoys to use glass, crystal or ceramic brewer at home, but these materials need more time to pre-heat, and they are breakable. They are not good to use I. Outdoor environment.
Hi, great detailed review..... can't seem to get my hands on orea always sold out so gave up and ordered x bloom ha ha, anyway do have another source recommendation for orea or just of there site? Also where/ what stand is that? Thanks!
Possibly a silly question but why do you brew into a separate container before transferring to the cup? Does this not lose a load of temperature etc? Or is that maybe the point
I used the Stagg XL for a year, but couldn't get consistency. There were some great cups, but stalling was wayyy to common.
I wish orea and kalita would do a collab. The size of the 185, and the holes and material of the v3. I like to brew 500ml. And can do it with the v3 but almost overfilling 😅
Great video. I'm excited for you to show us this newfangled HOOP no-bypass pour-over brewer from CEADO. Doubt it'll be a game-changer but looks kinda neat on their website.
I would LOVE an orea v3 but they are always out of stock! lol I cant find one anywhere
I know I’m gonna get hate from this, but have you tried the blue bottle flat bottom brewer? Imo it is an underrated brewer.
Another great video!
Which material from Orea v3 would you recommend?
I use Orea v3 as every day quick morning coffee as it is so consistent in terms of extraction and grind size won't effect the extraction speed much. On the other hand, I use V60 to explore full potential of any interesting coffee beans during weekend majorly as it is more versatile so can be controlled towards to any flavour that I wanna enhance.
Filter selection is a step in dialing in brew time for me. As there are 20+ filter options for cone drippers, and 2 for flat bottom drippers, that side of the fence never appealed to me.
Great video! When I worked in a couple shops in Denver years ago, the metal Kalita 185 was the go to. Although Kalita changed the bottom ridge design and effectively ruined it. If I recall there's also a large difference in flow rates between the porcelain and metal and glass versions.
I have a Timemore B75 in the mail and would love to hear your review of it eventually! Greater flow rate and ridges vertically that I assume minimize bypass.
THANK YOU! flat bottom for life🔥🥰✊️
Great video. Thanks. I split my daily brew between Stagg-x and Espro bloom. Both bring me joy in the AM.
Orea has been a non option for a few months because it’s been sold out in 185 size.
From StaggX, I'm enjoying the simplicity of Orea V3 and the quality it produces. As always i love how short but full of information your video is. 👍👍
You gotta give the Normcore Dripper a try. Not the best quality but it is one of the fastest I’ve tried!
Interesting, I haven’t heard much about it. I’ve seen a lot of their espresso prep stuff but no dripper. I’ll look into it.
@@Sprometheus one of my friends swears by it. Even faster than the Orea. Tried a few myself and I found that even with pretty fine grind sizes, I can get to a total brew time of 2:30 in most tries. Its build might not be the best but it’s quite good for what it is. Orea is great too but sold out (at least in most Canadian shops here). Great vid nonetheless!
@@julianpark93 I’ve seen secondhand info that rogue wave should have an orea restock sometime in February
@@JohnDoe-lg8dr that’s cool. Thanks for the FYI!
I really enjoyed the April dripper. I think my only issue has been inconsistency. Not sure if it was the filters or my pouring technique as I am fairly new, but I have found the Orea much more consistent.
Enjoyed the review of these. Saw that you used the varia vs3 for the grinder. How did you like its performance?
Hi there, what are the glass cups used in the video (not the carafe)?
I think I’m going to experiment with the kalita wave by removing the side folds of the filter and brewing with only the bottom circle of the filter. I’ll pour easy to attempt to minimize turbulence and brew basically a zero bypass style brew
How were the results?
Okay, good, so it's not my imagination. I enjoy the Bloom's simplicity but also found its flavor to be lacking every time, somehow. I thought it was something I did wrong.
I use it with some doodling variables. I use a WDT on the bed or wet WDT or instead of swirling for agitation, I spin it around atop a glass carafe on the scale bed. I may pour and wait between each 100 grams. Some darker roasts have done pours over Melodripper. Really roast matters. So, not basic, but amused and initially was troubleshooting from probable channeling. Think initial bed quality shows the problem with the bed during the bloom, so that lead me to do the wet WDT on a 1:3 for the bloom first pour.
the only problem i have with this is i cant find an orea to order!
What about the origami used with Kalita filters?
Thanks for the excellent video! As a novice in the pourover world (my 10 year old Keurig just died, so you can see where I'm coming from) this is such a refreshing, informative, and concise review. Now, if only there was anywhere in the world that I could purchase the Orea V3 - out of stock everywhere, everywhere.
@Te.legrammeTheRealSprometheus So kind, but sadly not possible!
Dude, I LOVE minutiae!
You and I both!
I have the Kalita and the Espro Bloom that you reviewed. (and I've been on the fence about getting the Orea- although that might have changed since watching your video) My go to brewers are Kalita Wave and Origami with the Kalita filters. I never had much luck, myself, with the Bloom. Thanks for your reviews as always.
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Great video. Flat Bed Brewers sure makes it taste better.
Have you considered the Hario W60?
i'd like to try the orea next, at home i have a v60 and a chemex!
I really like the orea a lot also. It might have been nice to also compare the next level brewer.
What are best filters to use for orea v3?
Agree, short and to the point, nicely done and fun to watch.
Love my Orea. It's also my go to brewer. Easy repeatable tasty brews.
Sold out in EU😢
I assume you mean the Orea? And yeah, that’s the biggest frustration I have with talking about how much I like them, they’re not easy to get ahold of
Yea Orea . Will keep using clever dripper till I get hold of Orea. Cheers
Still can't find an orea for sale :(
Solid!
bodum dripper is my favorite.
OREA v3 FTW.