You don't consider the Virtualization engine in other virtualization platforms like KVM, Virtualbox and others; or you think the UI and orchestrators are lacking in the lab level alternatives?
I agree, there are no equivalents, more so if you are using vCloud. This was an acquisition that should never have been allowed but we are where we are.
Why not subscriptions? We do it with email, CRM etc? The answer is because those are now cloud services and we are renting their infrastructure. This doesn't make sense with VMWare where we are footing the bill for the infrastructure, then paying for a subscription on something that has always been perpetual, and who's performance is determined by our expenses on hardware. It just feels bad. The cloud feels bad. We're setting ourselves up to have less jobs in the future, less competition in the market, and less opportunities for growth and disruption. America has sold off its manufacturing. We outsource tech support. We literally have 2 companies that control all food supply in the country. The last strong sector of the economy we're now giving to a few small companies.
Thank you, Eli! Love and appreciate the honesty and transparency of this video. I 100% agree with you. There is not a solid alternative just yet. Moving to other platform will take a lot of time, planning and designing. That means that for a while enterprises will still have to run hybrid clouds that involve several platforms. But, unless VMWare by Broadcom will significantly improve VCF as platform and make it more valuable and feasible considering its price, companies will move on. Again, thank you for another great video and insightful thoughts!
Companies that have run out of breath in terms of innovation come up with the subscription. They no longer have anything to offer the customer, but they still want payments. And they want more and more of that money. These are not fair prices, this is racketeering. Broadcom delenda est!
There are a plenty of small to medium sized companies running proxmox(and others). It's fine for small clusters. It's definitely good enough for internal coporate use.
Thanks fofr this lovely session. Migrating to cloud was kinda old topic if that is what you mentionin, but AI is definitely new. So its a mixed bag, need to introspect from an Architect perspective. Also for AI which one do you suggest? I've seen Azure AI lately, and what's your input?
Definitely appreciate the enterprise focus! My only disagreement is the death of the data center. I agree, for most organizations it makes sense to move workloads and applications to the cloud, but for those that are running computationally intense jobs (like AI training) and storing PBs of data, the cloud isn't cost effective. I do believe hybrid architecture is the way we need to focus and using a private cloud setup from RedHat or Microsoft is probably the way to go even though it requires a very different skill set than most admins have today.
Great video, and I agree with most of it, but saying going to a subscription model is ok because everyone else is doing it isn't a good reason. Subscription based models are killing the consumers.
You are aware when you say RedHat you are saying Openstack right? Also, Citrix will tell you to your face they have no intention on supporting Citrix hypervisor for general VM use.. So that leaves Hyper-V, Nutanix (already priced nearly as high as VMware) or Openstack supported by RedHat or Canonical etc.
One thing; VMware has changed hands a few times and the underlying fact seems to be that the previous, perpetual license based model just didn't make enough money. It is usual for a revised strategy to include - focus on core products - some ways to charge more ==> more profits per unit I can't say I have been impressed with the way new owners fiddled with the website - however I am sure they would have some sort of hand holding process for "bigger" more "valuable" customers 🤨🤨
Well articulation and explained. I have same view, VMware vShpare is another MS Office of Enterprise. No matter how much you are in disagreement but finally you will pay and use :)
I started out with VMware back in 2002 with a Fortune 500 company. VMware was and is a money pit even way back then. RHEV was just as robust and reliable as them AND much cheaper. This nutanix thing intrigues me, though. Red Hat makes the most secure, and stable software in the world.
I have been doing enterprise IT infrastructure consulting since the 70s. I have a few midsize companies as well as my enterprise clients. I have been using VMWare since version 2. I believe as you say that Broadcom will push clients to look for the future that will long term hurt thier business. I will be migrating to cloud services wherever it makes sense. Smaller clients will slowly move to cloud and VMware competitors. As AI and cloud drives more and more VMWare clients away over time
If any current VMware Cloud Providers are short of 3500 cores and want to report their cores under a VMware white list provider - feel free to reply. I am not a sales contact - just a tech contact for an approved VMware white label company.
Well have been a VMware person and architect lots of customers for the lb part this Broadcom is crap. And I think there are solutions depending on what you need 1-1 comparison may not be possible. There are way lots of things to consider moving forward and away from VMware. Microsoft for hyperv will be my last option again that’s my take.
granted, I hate microsurf (former employee with no ill will toward the behemoth) as much as the next guy, but I'll never understand the community loathing over hyper-v. I used to teach employees and customers of the largest computer (and vmware owner) manufacturer in the world, and I still see the benefits to the platform to this day.....
Clouds are too expensive, servers are too expensive these days. We cannot prototype projects for startups with these prices, no thanks, we will use hybrid systems half on premise half on data centers, we don't need the cloud.
Restaurant serving a menu: - one raspberry pi 80$, one internet connection 100$ per year, dev cost 100$ one time job with 1 year support. Paying a cloud: 50$/mo i.e 500$ per year. Why an AI is needed to show a menu? I don't want AI to choose a food for me, I know what to eat.
Perhaps another option is to engage with a VMware partner/MSP, who could save you money and help with migration to the cloud and let you focus on your applications that impact your core business. You'll save on Disaster Recovery, security, etc.
FYI, many workloads can't be moved to the cloud (video, security, CI etc.). Also, on prem in most cases is much cheaper than cloud by a wide margin.
You don't consider the Virtualization engine in other virtualization platforms like KVM, Virtualbox and others; or you think the UI and orchestrators are lacking in the lab level alternatives?
I agree, there are no equivalents, more so if you are using vCloud. This was an acquisition that should never have been allowed but we are where we are.
This guy loves Citrix.
Citrix is one of the most vulnerable software made.
Why not subscriptions? We do it with email, CRM etc? The answer is because those are now cloud services and we are renting their infrastructure. This doesn't make sense with VMWare where we are footing the bill for the infrastructure, then paying for a subscription on something that has always been perpetual, and who's performance is determined by our expenses on hardware. It just feels bad. The cloud feels bad. We're setting ourselves up to have less jobs in the future, less competition in the market, and less opportunities for growth and disruption. America has sold off its manufacturing. We outsource tech support. We literally have 2 companies that control all food supply in the country. The last strong sector of the economy we're now giving to a few small companies.
they still should have kept a free sass tier to help funnel in new users. anyone using 2 hosts isn't going to lose them a customer anyway.
The Broadcomm model seems to prefer smash n grab for maximum short term financial gain and Forgeddaboudid the long term consequences.
Thank you, Eli! Love and appreciate the honesty and transparency of this video. I 100% agree with you. There is not a solid alternative just yet. Moving to other platform will take a lot of time, planning and designing. That means that for a while enterprises will still have to run hybrid clouds that involve several platforms. But, unless VMWare by Broadcom will significantly improve VCF as platform and make it more valuable and feasible considering its price, companies will move on. Again, thank you for another great video and insightful thoughts!
Companies that have run out of breath in terms of innovation come up with the subscription. They no longer have anything to offer the customer, but they still want payments. And they want more and more of that money.
These are not fair prices, this is racketeering.
Broadcom delenda est!
There are a plenty of small to medium sized companies running proxmox(and others). It's fine for small clusters. It's definitely good enough for internal coporate use.
Thanks fofr this lovely session. Migrating to cloud was kinda old topic if that is what you mentionin, but AI is definitely new. So its a mixed bag, need to introspect from an Architect perspective.
Also for AI which one do you suggest? I've seen Azure AI lately, and what's your input?
Thank you for providing an enterprise oriented response!!
Definitely appreciate the enterprise focus! My only disagreement is the death of the data center. I agree, for most organizations it makes sense to move workloads and applications to the cloud, but for those that are running computationally intense jobs (like AI training) and storing PBs of data, the cloud isn't cost effective. I do believe hybrid architecture is the way we need to focus and using a private cloud setup from RedHat or Microsoft is probably the way to go even though it requires a very different skill set than most admins have today.
Great video, and I agree with most of it, but saying going to a subscription model is ok because everyone else is doing it isn't a good reason. Subscription based models are killing the consumers.
You are aware when you say RedHat you are saying Openstack right? Also, Citrix will tell you to your face they have no intention on supporting Citrix hypervisor for general VM use.. So that leaves Hyper-V, Nutanix (already priced nearly as high as VMware) or Openstack supported by RedHat or Canonical etc.
Very helpful content and nicely presented. Thank you
One thing; VMware has changed hands a few times and the underlying fact seems to be that the previous, perpetual license based model just didn't make enough money. It is usual for a revised strategy to include
- focus on core products
- some ways to charge more ==> more profits per unit
I can't say I have been impressed with the way new owners fiddled with the website - however I am sure they would have some sort of hand holding process for "bigger" more "valuable" customers 🤨🤨
Cloud will boom! Also Open Nebula looks promising
Well articulation and explained. I have same view, VMware vShpare is another MS Office of Enterprise. No matter how much you are in disagreement but finally you will pay and use :)
nope.
SMB can walk away from VMware.
"Keep vmware - pay the premium"
Looks at the quote ... 10x cost increase by moving to subscription ... "🔥this is fine🔥"
I started out with VMware back in 2002 with a Fortune 500 company. VMware was and is a money pit even way back then. RHEV was just as robust and reliable as them AND much cheaper.
This nutanix thing intrigues me, though.
Red Hat makes the most secure, and stable software in the world.
I was excited to hear YOUR perspective on this out of everyone. Thank you for sharing.
I have been doing enterprise IT infrastructure consulting since the 70s. I have a few midsize companies as well as my enterprise clients. I have been using VMWare since version 2. I believe as you say that Broadcom will push clients to look for the future that will long term hurt thier business. I will be migrating to cloud services wherever it makes sense. Smaller clients will slowly move to cloud and VMware competitors. As AI and cloud drives more and more VMWare clients away over time
I've been doing it since the 80s I remember a time before ESXi. I completely agree with you.
What about nutanix !!
Legit and balanced video! Nice job man!
If any current VMware Cloud Providers are short of 3500 cores and want to report their cores under a VMware white list provider - feel free to reply.
I am not a sales contact - just a tech contact for an approved VMware white label company.
Even the free desktop application is impossible to download.
Amazing information you shared in this video, Thank you :)
Well have been a VMware person and architect lots of customers for the lb part this Broadcom is crap. And I think there are solutions depending on what you need 1-1 comparison may not be possible. There are way lots of things to consider moving forward and away from VMware. Microsoft for hyperv will be my last option again that’s my take.
granted, I hate microsurf (former employee with no ill will toward the behemoth) as much as the next guy, but I'll never understand the community loathing over hyper-v. I used to teach employees and customers of the largest computer (and vmware owner) manufacturer in the world, and I still see the benefits to the platform to this day.....
How to pay a million dollars for 50K worth of hardware... the cloud. The timeshare condo guys went tech bro.
Thought his name sounded familiar then he mentioned Train Signal.
Clouds are too expensive, servers are too expensive these days. We cannot prototype projects for startups with these prices, no thanks, we will use hybrid systems half on premise half on data centers, we don't need the cloud.
Restaurant serving a menu: - one raspberry pi 80$, one internet connection 100$ per year, dev cost 100$ one time job with 1 year support.
Paying a cloud: 50$/mo i.e 500$ per year.
Why an AI is needed to show a menu? I don't want AI to choose a food for me, I know what to eat.
ChatGPT is hands down more intuitive than Google Gemini. It's not even close.
🎉
Oracle? No problem - SUSE Harvester
Cloud is just someone else's computer.
Perhaps another option is to engage with a VMware partner/MSP, who could save you money and help with migration to the cloud and let you focus on your applications that impact your core business. You'll save on Disaster Recovery, security, etc.
Such cheap click bait, ugh
Your AI argument lacks substance.
Broadcom suck