The Six Flags Problem.
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2023
- You ever have that feeling that six flags isn’t what it was anymore? Well you’re right and it’s a problem we’re talking about in today’s video, will six flags be able to save themselves from any further issues? And will they revert to their original goal? Stay turned
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I hope frontier city gets a new roller coaster
That's a great joke
I’m serious 😭😭😭😭
They coulda at least moved a Batman clone to that park, it’s so neglected…
Will they can but they have still lous
My home park is Great America and I'm still hoping they will focus on the theming as that's how they started when they opened in 1976. Plus something on the Disney scale up here would definitely draw people here
It seems like they are trying to get back on the right track with focusing on a few parks each year for the most substantial upgrades. To me, that is the smartest option because you can then concentrate larger sums of money on better attractions instead of always getting bargain basement prices. SFMM is my home park and I'm not at all upset that they aren't getting a new ride or attraction for 2024. The major project here right now is converting the park to solar energy which means both monetary savings for the park and shade for visitor's cars. Win-win. The savings can be put into park upkeep, more staffing, new attractions, better quality food, etc. This wouldn't be a bad idea for the parks which have more temperate climates like SFOT and SFFT to follow with either. More than likely the next biggest years for attraction upgrades to SFMM will be 2025 and 2028 but I could see some smaller ride additions happening in the interim years.
About time they smartened up. Commercially solar only takes 5 years to pay for itself. Half that with all the subsidies.
Your analysis is 100% on point... and I say this as a SFOT native from the late 70's until 2018. I have talked endlessly about the "enshittification" of not only SFOT but most of the world's public amusements due to corporate takeovers and mismanagement. Of course changing tastes also had something to do with it which put corporate owners in a bit of a bind to either raise the stakes or fade into history like the hundreds of neighborhood pipe organ & pizza restaurants, Showbiz Pizza animatronics, local theater, tiki bars, small kiddie amusement parks, etc. Amusement is always moving forward, all hands on deck, all the time... or it's gone in a flash.
Time Warner massively screwed up the "local is good" philosophy. DC/Looney Tunes/etc... yeah it's cheap to simply unleash your owned properties upon the public as the next new thing, but it's not new and not relative to the park as you have said. It was super painful to see SFOT fall into this during the early 1990's. The Cave ride closed and was rethemed as a super boring Bugs Bunny adventure. TV's were installed in waiting queues blasting whatever crappy pop band Time Warner had signed. The local areas basically paved over, no music, no character, no live shows. The wisteria gardens and foliage cut down and replaced with ugly advertising and Coke machines. It basically became a 7-11 convenience store with roller coasters. Just sad. Even the special desserts (Pink Things), merchandise, events, fireworks, hell even the awesome hand-drawn artwork of the park map itself with fun little characters and secrets inside became a featureless block of anonymous shapes even less exciting than a Chipotle quarterly earnings statement. Sad sad sad sad sad sad.
Now that Cedar Fair IS Six Flags, all of this comes further into question. Will the merger bring enough cost savings to build back the local character + thrills everyone wants... or will it be another cash grab of closing unprofitable parks, layoffs, higher prices, less competition, and a continuation of that depressing "nobody at the wheel" feeling of a Wal-Mart Supercenter. Even Busch Gardens Williamsburg is beginning to succumb to this... death by a thousand cuts. You can just feel it. The cheap cool white LED's on the carousel and swing rides. The gift shop windows with a thousand oily old fingerprints. The $15 draft beers consisting of only Coors or Michelob. You have got to be kidding me. The love needs to be reinvested before it's gone... and quickly... because building back common goodwill costs many multiples more than letting it go in the first place, and whole lot more time and advertising.
I'm about to pay SFOT a visit next spring after a LONG hiatus. Haven't been back since the early 2000's when it was an INCREDIBLY SAD experience. But ever since I've heard some of the previous stockholders had taken a controlling interest in getting it back on track... and was delighted to see the return of the Spee-Lunker Cave ride among other tweaks. I hope it can get back to where it was. People simply have no idea that it was as good as the Disney parks are today. It could be again. I'm hoping so.
I have been to Six Flags Magic Mountain recently, first time ever at a Six Flags park. And I was SHOCKED st how horrible the food was. The food was ridiculously bad, and criminally overpriced.
I hated Astroworld closed down. Love to see the Texas Cyclone roller-coaster by Loop 610 in Houston TX. My parents drove by the park all the time when traveling.
I used to live in Houston, TX and went to Astroworld. I love to go on Loop 610 to see the Texas Cyclone. It's pretty cool when it lighted up in the night.
Unfortunately for Darien Lake and Frontier City, Six Flags doesn't own them, they only operate them and the funding for those parks comes from EPR Properties, so that's why they aren't getting anything next year. Six Flags should purchase those parks from EPR so they can upgrade them as they please imo.
I guess I'm the kind of visitor the "cloned rides" business model was going for. I visit my local park and haven't traveled for vacation probably since before you were born. That said, I would love to be an amusement park tourist like many of these channels if I had the time and money. I currently see all of the other Six Flags parks as different enough from Over Texas to be worth a visit if I ever went on a vacation. I've dreamed of getting a diamond season pass some year and go to 3 or more Six Flags parks, especially Fiesta, Great America, and St Louis. I wouldn't be going to California or New Jersey regardless of what Amusement Parks are there.
6 flags will always be #2 to Disney... Regardless of how many parks they bought. I'm still looking for 1988 6 flags Georgia ad w lad on porch swing. As you said. Parks used to be unique 😊
Did six flags over Texas lose its touch, then yes. The other parks no
I just went to six flags magic mountain in la the coasters are great but they miss on big things like air conditioning, maintenance a lot of coasters where down or only had 1 car running, the park was dirty. The line experience sucks compared to universal studios hollywood. The pricing of pass was so cheap I bought a season pass for only $105 with parking included for the year.
My dad would take us to Six Flags and Valentia and it was so fun because they have a good amount of flood rides and roller coasters. The flood rides and my age where exciting and everything and you did not get tired because you’re not only doing roller coasters you’re doing everything. Overtime I saw that a lot of the rides the flat ones were leaving and gone and it didn’t seem fun anymore. to my brothers and sisters and I we found that it just started getting boring because all we were doing was getting on roller coasters and yes they were fun and everything but you have to have a balance of flat rides with the roller coasters so you don’t get bored or your body doesn’t have to recover a couple of days after going to them the purpose of us going was to have fun with everybody, including my father, my father went on roller coasters, and anything we wanted even though he was scared of them but he did it for his kids. That’s what a lot of families do they go on with their kids because it creates memories. Now everybody is wondering what Six Flags is going to get Avolencia because all the other theme Parks they have announced what’s going on, but they didn’t say anything about Six Flags
I always enjoy your videos and find them informative. However, Six Flags over Texas was not the first park to have a tubular steel roller coaster. The Matterhorn bob sleds was the first tubular steel roller coaster, and it opened June 14, 1959
Yeah it was a mess up in the script that I didn’t realize until later
Former Disneyland cast member and my partner is a current Disneyland cast member. That's why I pointed it out.
A very good video ❤️
The problem with six flags was Bascally getting stuff that was cheap to add every park. Hense why a lot of the parks have stuff like super loops and 4d free spin. But it seems they are getting away from that model. Focusing on what the parks really need the most hopefully they start focusing more on the little things as well to
There are only 3 parks the have removed their super loops
@@Cat3465 I know great adventure has who else has removed it
@@wrestlingandamusementparkl7789 SFNE removed theirs and then SFOG removed their super loop recently for their Kid Flash attraction
@@Cat3465 I forgot over Georgia removing there’s. And i think NE had to remove there’s from a storm debris
Sf America might be too
As a native Texan, we have the Diamond Elite membership. I am a native Houstonian after Well just say DUMB A** closed our park I never went back until 2017 it was great for awhile but now we have gotten to the point of if we’re gonna drive that far to Arlington or San Antonio we are seriously thinking of canceling our memberships and getting Cedar Fair memberships. We love over Texas but it always gets CRAPPED ON never anything new it we need a mega coaster wood, steel, or a nice giga but no the other parks get but not over Texas. Like I said, I’m gonna drive that far might as well drive a little few extra hours to a Cedar Fair park and cancel our memberships to Six Flags.
The other thing is if you make each park unique it give people visiting the city the six flags park is in a reason to go there. Instead of being like it’s just like the one back home
Your voice dropped!
Jb we need a theme park for old people...
nah
2:34 the worlds first tubular steel roller coaster??? wdym that's matterhorns
you do know they were on a wack-ass spending streak right
Six Flags should never be mentioned in the same sentence as a comparison to Disney or Universal. Six Flags is not even close to the best regional chain(Cedar Fair & SEAS), forget comparing them to pure destination parks like Disney and Universal. Disney's profit from theme parks in 1 quarter is 2x what Six Flags yearly gross revenue.
Well... now that Cedar Fair IS Six Flags... it will be interesting to see what comes next.
@@nicsamazingpinballchannel7688 SF in corporate name for investors, trade under Cedar Fair symbol FUN. The management is Cedar Fair's CEO and CFO, people that have 30 years in the industry, unlike Selim who is clueless of the industry and showed what that produces. I predict he top 6 or so parks that have potential will tried to be brought up with Capex in infrastructure, food, restaurants, theming, etc..stuff Cedar Fair has done the last decade under the Seasons of fun strategy. I also expect parks to be axed, the low producing and stated low margin EPR lease parks of Darien Lake and Frontier City. Also, the 4 leased separate location water parks. Great Escape and LaRonde while owned by SF are low producers/low margin. SF America is 100 miles from Kings Dominion and KD is a much better park. CGA is already closing in 2027/28. 27 parks and 15 water parks is too many mouths to feed. Need to get that near 20 dry parks 8 to 10 water parks.
Yea i feel like the six flags parks lost there meaning
What you call playing favorites, is actually just giving parks Capex based on their financial performance. You talk of SFFT and Siebert, they get more money than many other parks..IS that playing favorites? Your understanding of actual business is non existent. I'm not really going to go thru the litany of errors you made in you video regarding business/financials
Playing favorites means that SF would focus on their top tier parks like SFMM or SFGAv by giving them huge editions. And the rest recieve small to minor editions, as well as a major editions in some occasions.
@@Cat3465 Parks get what they get or better put, don't get for a reason..their finances, potential ROIC, etc... It's not favorites it's giving parks Capex based proportional to their revenue, EBIDTA, net income, ROIC, etc... The late 1990's and 2000's of Six Flags is what happens when you give Capex without regards to finances. SF gave Intamins and B&M's to small parks just like they did to big parks. The if you build, they will come plan was a failure and they are going back to it with the claim of 200M-225M Capex in 204 and 225 -250M Capex in 2025. Of course I think Selim is lying, just like he did with his premiumization and in park improvements Capex which he abandoned & only spent about half of what he claimed. SF FY 2022 results were a disaster(regressed to 2017/18 levels) and they are tracking the same, actually worse on some metrics, such as net income thru Q2 2023. Not expecting Q3 report on Nov 9th to be very good either. Doubling your Capex coming off of likely 2 poor years makes no sense. Of course Selim hasn't a clue about the industry and has proven that in spades. He tried to double the prices of passes and lost 7M attendance in 2022 and thru Q2 only 400K attendance increase YoY, despite cutting the prices back.