Finally! Someone actually striking first. Thank you. Someone trying to get your gun , at least in Ohio , the officer is justified in using deadly force. Yet I normally see techniques trying to leverage and do a lot of other things when the real answer to to strike first. Eyes, throat, and or groin is what I teach. Then, clear. It's a lot easier to do any technique after you have struck them and they are distracted,
stevenson combatives same here in Texas. The suspect has already shown intent of harming/killing you if he goes for your weapon. Deadly force is justified in such situation.
@@graider8867 Agreed -- I am not Law Enforcement, but rather I provide armed Security Enforcement, and the same thing to my current knowledge is true for both Law & Security Enforcement Officers here in the State of Pennsylvania.
We do pretty much the same technique in IDF militarry krav maga. we should keep the technique simple and stupid so it will work in real situations. so step 1) secure the gun in the holster and make aggresive hard strikes to attackers face. 2) improve postion and fire if needed.
Yeah he says at first that the assailant may be pushing etc. But then they demo without pushing where he can strike and then do the elbow thing and so on... I'd say a really good holster is the number one thing here. Strikes would be good but do you really have the time and are you able to put force into them with your weaker hand? I don't know, seems to me like if a really aggressive assailant is coming at you this is going to be tough... Hmmm, not sure, maybe this is really the best that can be done? It's just not going to be nearly as easy as they make it out to be.
It's impossible to train with the surprise and ferocity that will be experienced in real life. In real life you probably will only be able to get your hand to the holster and administer a strike or two before your caveman or martial arts instincts kind of kick in.@crockett616
What about if someone sneaks up from behind and tries to take it? Do you have a segment on a “reach from behind” scenario? And if not, would you consider making one?
We do pretty much the same technique in IDF militarry krav maga. we should keep the technique simple and stupid so it will work in real situations. so step 1) secure the gun in the holster and make aggresive hard strikes to attackers face. 2) improve postion and fire if needed.
A nice kick or knee to the groins usually does the trick of incapacitating and droping the agressor to the ground. If incorporated in the middle of the technique it may prevent him from trying to go for your gun a second time.
That's excellent and the only thing I could suggest is. Your strike on his arm should be closer to his hand And parallel to the gun barrel downward. If you have a hold of his arm instead of your weapon and you strike in any other direction you were trying to pull the weapon away from the holster with the strike. The other idea is a blow in that direction could be more effective because the person is pressing in the opposite direction.
Good concept! Be sure to strike a target though. That first strike could easily be a shot to the ear, or a gouge to the eye. If he hasn't pulled away after that I would use that forearm strike to break his elbow. This is definitely within continuum guidelines!
We do pretty much the same technique in IDF militarry krav maga. we should keep the technique simple and stupid so it will work in real situations. so step 1) secure the gun in the holster and make aggresive hard strikes to attackers face. 2) improve postion and fire if needed.
@@carryeveryday910 go with the natural reasction. secure the gun in the holster, turn around at hit the attacker. AND also buy a good 2nd level holster
Is it a good idea to tap-rack and roll the weapon Once someone touches your weapon? I think you should make your weapon ready, and not rely on luck or fate.
@tvercetti1 no this technique is taught as if the suspect has the gun slightly out of the holster, but still inside the holster Always practice tap rack roll just incase they pulled the slide while reaching for the weapon. Don’t get lazy
Yes, the grab from the rear is the one that scares me. As a civilian, I carry openly rather frequently. The threat may have identified me before I identify him.
"weapons retention doesn't work like that, there's too much room between us. The technique they taught doesn't work" Demonstrates the technique they taught him, from a distance. Smdh
The difference is immediately focusing on shifting weight to CREATE distance and your first target is the head/face and THEN the elbows instead of immediately trying to strike the elbow after the grab.
You almost got it... rather than trying to make the guy fall (which would work if he was drunk off his ass), grab the triceps with the left hand and SUCK his arm in to your body. Get control of that arm and then rotate to create distance for the draw.
Your gonna get someone killed... while your thinking of all those Jackie Chan moves your gonna get over powered to the ground and fighting for your life. This is not a movie and none of that shit is gonna work.
Agreed - I am not Law Enforcement, however I am an armed Security Enforcement Officer in the state of Pennsylvania and provide security oversight for a major area hospital's 302 psych/mental health ward of which I am often within close proximity to the patients whether responding to a security incident or standing by while a doctor/nurse tend to the "high risk" patients, and THANK YOU for that description of "Jackie Chan" moves. I'd chosen to undergo training in "Krav Maga" and to a very fine degree for the most part I'd found this video was indeed 'informative' and gave a secondary perspective as to how you could develop a alternative approach for 'some' but not all CQC and "weapon retention" situations, because once shit hits the fan (pardon my language), you only have MERE SECONDS if even that to "identify, assess, and respond" to such situations without hesitation and playing "Jackie Chan" is the dumbest thing to do, especially being that I operate as a "lone officer" with no immediately available backup other than Law Enforcement, I find it paramount to always be vigilant, proactive and to expect the unexpected, and should a mental health patient were to make an attempted gun grab, I'm not thinking of how to "handle" said situation(s), but rather I'm channeling the sudden adrenaline rush on focusing to "STRIKE HARD..STRIKE FAST..STRIKE FIRST" and striking any way that I can.. whether it's all-out body blows, using my environmental surroundings as a weapon, a palm strike to the assailant's nose, a throat punch or strike to the solar plexus, an eye gouge or strike to the temple, pressure points, hell even using and leveraging the assailant's own energy and body weight against them..the scenarios and possibilities are ENDLESS.. "ADAPT & OVERCOME". In terms of "weapon retention" defense technique, this is exactly why in regards to my personal carry / service weapon of choice (Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9MM), I do keep it in a *locking* holster to minimize the chance of a successful gun grab, however I ALWAYS make sure I have a "plan b" for this specific situation where if shit goes FUBAR and an assailant does somehow manage to make a successful "gun grab", as a backup failsafe I'd had my service weapon specially modified and outfitted with a "Biometric Trigger" which essentially renders the weapon "useless" for anyone other than myself and my fingerprint that would allow the gun's trigger to be pulled so that I may allow myself to gain those extra valuable seconds to respond with the necessary appropriate force and if need-be escalate to deadly force. I look at it like this: "If your assailant(s) are truly intent on ending your life, they'd find a way to compromise your *locking* holster to free your weapon to use against you and/or everyone else around you, which is exactly why rather than "brute strength".. your mind is your greatest weapon and often times your first defense.
Finally! Someone actually striking first. Thank you. Someone trying to get your gun , at least in Ohio , the officer is justified in using deadly force. Yet I normally see techniques trying to leverage and do a lot of other things when the real answer to to strike first. Eyes, throat, and or groin is what I teach. Then, clear. It's a lot easier to do any technique after you have struck them and they are distracted,
stevenson combatives same here in Texas. The suspect has already shown intent of harming/killing you if he goes for your weapon. Deadly force is justified in such situation.
@@graider8867 Agreed -- I am not Law Enforcement, but rather I provide armed Security Enforcement, and the same thing to my current knowledge is true for both Law & Security Enforcement Officers here in the State of Pennsylvania.
We do pretty much the same technique in IDF militarry krav maga. we should keep the technique simple and stupid so it will work in real situations. so step 1) secure the gun in the holster and make aggresive hard strikes to attackers face. 2) improve postion and fire if needed.
I feel bad for frank lol
Works in theory. Try it force on force, frank gets a cookie if he gets your weapon.
I watched this imagining what you'd say... when I saw you actually commented, you didn't disappoint.
Yeah he says at first that the assailant may be pushing etc. But then they demo without pushing where he can strike and then do the elbow thing and so on... I'd say a really good holster is the number one thing here. Strikes would be good but do you really have the time and are you able to put force into them with your weaker hand? I don't know, seems to me like if a really aggressive assailant is coming at you this is going to be tough... Hmmm, not sure, maybe this is really the best that can be done? It's just not going to be nearly as easy as they make it out to be.
It's impossible to train with the surprise and ferocity that will be experienced in real life. In real life you probably will only be able to get your hand to the holster and administer a strike or two before your caveman or martial arts instincts kind of kick in.@crockett616
Great technique. Better than the one I learned in the military.
Really good insight.
Excellent technique
Good stuff. Thanks very much.
What about if someone sneaks up from behind and tries to take it? Do you have a segment on a “reach from behind” scenario? And if not, would you consider making one?
man frank is about to punch you in the face XD
That's the same retention technique I give in my class.
We do pretty much the same technique in IDF militarry krav maga. we should keep the technique simple and stupid so it will work in real situations. so step 1) secure the gun in the holster and make aggresive hard strikes to attackers face. 2) improve postion and fire if needed.
A nice kick or knee to the groins usually does the trick of incapacitating and droping the agressor to the ground. If incorporated in the middle of the technique it may prevent him from trying to go for your gun a second time.
Do you have A video for A rear attack trying to take your gun?
That's excellent and the only thing I could suggest is. Your strike on his arm should be closer to his hand And parallel to the gun barrel downward. If you have a hold of his arm instead of your weapon and you strike in any other direction you were trying to pull the weapon away from the holster with the strike. The other idea is a blow in that direction could be more effective because the person is pressing in the opposite direction.
Good concept! Be sure to strike a target though. That first strike could easily be a shot to the ear, or a gouge to the eye. If he hasn't pulled away after that I would use that forearm strike to break his elbow. This is definitely within continuum guidelines!
What about them trying to get it from the side of you or behind you?
Frank is a soft flower girl. He didn't want to be there. Good video, none the less..
The basics of Greco wrestling would be really useful in close clinch situations.
whats defense a take the back pistol gun?
what if behind the back?
Nice
We do pretty much the same technique in IDF militarry krav maga. we should keep the technique simple and stupid so it will work in real situations. so step 1) secure the gun in the holster and make aggresive hard strikes to attackers face. 2) improve postion and fire if needed.
Look I’m no expert, but off the top top of my head I think this better boiled down to.
One hand one the holstered weapon at all times.
What about if he comes from the rear?
Ask him to buy you dinner first!
@@carryeveryday910 go with the natural reasction. secure the gun in the holster, turn around at hit the attacker. AND also buy a good 2nd level holster
Is it a good idea to tap-rack and roll the weapon Once someone touches your weapon? I think you should make your weapon ready, and not rely on luck or fate.
@tvercetti1 no this technique is taught as if the suspect has the gun slightly out of the holster, but still inside the holster
Always practice tap rack roll just incase they pulled the slide while reaching for the weapon. Don’t get lazy
grab from the rear?
Yes, the grab from the rear is the one that scares me. As a civilian, I carry openly rather frequently. The threat may have identified me before I identify him.
@@danielwilson7572 Then why do you open carry ?
Get a nice safariland holster with the als and a als guard. And to take it a step further carry a small gun in your pocket like a G42.
Here is a demonstration of grab from the rear:
ruclips.net/video/1RDrvBWiusI/видео.html
@@danielwilson7572 there are training techniques for a rear grab!
IMPRESIONANTE LA VERBORRAGIA.
HABLAAA DEMASIADOOO!!!!!!!!
You can tell dude was irritated
You need an Uke that is used to getting hit.
It is what it is -Frank 🤣
"weapons retention doesn't work like that, there's too much room between us. The technique they taught doesn't work"
Demonstrates the technique they taught him, from a distance.
Smdh
The difference is immediately focusing on shifting weight to CREATE distance and your first target is the head/face and THEN the elbows instead of immediately trying to strike the elbow after the grab.
Bicep drop
Why not throw an elbow ti the ear if he gets to close? You would be moving your hips back.
You almost got it... rather than trying to make the guy fall (which would work if he was drunk off his ass), grab the triceps with the left hand and SUCK his arm in to your body. Get control of that arm and then rotate to create distance for the draw.
Wait....what happened with all that talk about how they’d be all up on you?
The demo just nullified the intro.
PS no shoes on the mat.
You lost me at "Blackhawk Serpa" and "quality" in the same sentence...SMH
Hate to say it, but I agree. It is a clever design in theory, but flawed in practice.
"The first thing you can do is have a quality holster, this is a Blackhawk Serpa holster..."
Man, that didn't age well. 🤣
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Your gonna get someone killed... while your thinking of all those Jackie Chan moves your gonna get over powered to the ground and fighting for your life. This is not a movie and none of that shit is gonna work.
Agreed - I am not Law Enforcement, however I am an armed Security Enforcement Officer in the state of Pennsylvania and provide security oversight for a major area hospital's 302 psych/mental health ward of which I am often within close proximity to the patients whether responding to a security incident or standing by while a doctor/nurse tend to the "high risk" patients, and THANK YOU for that description of "Jackie Chan" moves. I'd chosen to undergo training in "Krav Maga" and to a very fine degree for the most part I'd found this video was indeed 'informative' and gave a secondary perspective as to how you could develop a alternative approach for 'some' but not all CQC and "weapon retention" situations, because once shit hits the fan (pardon my language), you only have MERE SECONDS if even that to "identify, assess, and respond" to such situations without hesitation and playing "Jackie Chan" is the dumbest thing to do, especially being that I operate as a "lone officer" with no immediately available backup other than Law Enforcement, I find it paramount to always be vigilant, proactive and to expect the unexpected, and should a mental health patient were to make an attempted gun grab, I'm not thinking of how to "handle" said situation(s), but rather I'm channeling the sudden adrenaline rush on focusing to "STRIKE HARD..STRIKE FAST..STRIKE FIRST" and striking any way that I can.. whether it's all-out body blows, using my environmental surroundings as a weapon, a palm strike to the assailant's nose, a throat punch or strike to the solar plexus, an eye gouge or strike to the temple, pressure points, hell even using and leveraging the assailant's own energy and body weight against them..the scenarios and possibilities are ENDLESS.. "ADAPT & OVERCOME".
In terms of "weapon retention" defense technique, this is exactly why in regards to my personal carry / service weapon of choice (Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9MM), I do keep it in a *locking* holster to minimize the chance of a successful gun grab, however I ALWAYS make sure I have a "plan b" for this specific situation where if shit goes FUBAR and an assailant does somehow manage to make a successful "gun grab", as a backup failsafe I'd had my service weapon specially modified and outfitted with a "Biometric Trigger" which essentially renders the weapon "useless" for anyone other than myself and my fingerprint that would allow the gun's trigger to be pulled so that I may allow myself to gain those extra valuable seconds to respond with the necessary appropriate force and if need-be escalate to deadly force. I look at it like this: "If your assailant(s) are truly intent on ending your life, they'd find a way to compromise your *locking* holster to free your weapon to use against you and/or everyone else around you, which is exactly why rather than "brute strength".. your mind is your greatest weapon and often times your first defense.
lol, if these moves are too "advanced" for you maybe you should just stay home.