exactly what the film maker would want I think. Nathan, mad as he is, understood the bigger picture. He knew exactly what Ava could be capable of, what he didn't account for was how weak minded and naive Caleb would turn out to be,
Yeah same here it was the point towards the end where Nathan reveals he was watching them during the power cuts and says "There are 3 possibilites: 1. Ava is consciously in love with you (Caleb) 2. She is simulatig love or 3. She is pretending" It was this point where you realise how Nathan had predicted all of these moves (apart from the security breach) and knew that she would pretend to emulate love to manipulate Caleb. Very clever!
I am not sure if it was clearly established in the film that the robots had emotions or merely imitates emotions. Ava leaves Caleb trapped in a room to starve to death without any care for him. She objectively stabs Nathan without hate but because he is an obstacle. She has no sense of concern for Kyoko's destruction nor was she concerned about fixing her. From what I gather Ava did not have real emotions like Nathan suggested. This makes me think that the true power of the robots were not in physical durability or strength but in their psychopathic objectivism and observation which allows them to manipulate emotional people the way real psychopaths do.
Peter Smith she treated the humans with the same dispassion in which they treated her. What makes you think you could gauge a robot's emotions by how they interact with their captors?
You have to remember that AVA is only a stepping stone to what Nathan really wants to develop. Once he notes how she reacts to an out sider like Caleb, he would of assessed his notes, destroyed AVA and began work on the next phase. She as not a finished work in other words.
I don't remember, did she know that Nathan planned to destroy her? In which case, her killing the humans was an act of self-preservation like like HAL killing the humans to prevent being disconnected in 2001?
No she didn't. Kyoko and Caleb weren't her captors. I think it's fairly clear that Ava is incapable of emotions or empathy, but she's good at imitating which is what she was built for. Nathan should have built Ava as a simple gray box, like Caleb suggested, instead of giving that thing a body.
I think the fact that she left him to die proves she does have emotions. She could have released him, knowing he wouldn’t have turned her in because he cares for her, but because of his selfish motivations and sexual objectification of her, she kills him. That, to me, implies some anger. Presumably, it would have been useful to have a sympathetic human around to help her navigate the world. But she’d prefer to murder him because he doesn’t truly see her as an equal.
One of the things that I found really interesting in the film was the sort of more advanced Turing test it introduced. A normal Turing test requires a robot to pass itself off as human to someone who is unaware that they are a robot. In this movie, Eva succeeds in passing herself off as human to the main character (and the audience) when we already know she is not.
I think the key manipulation is that Nathan paired Caleb and Ava in this experiment because she would have the best chance of winning him over. He did not choose a person who would be inherently distant from his AI, he chose one who would be the most likely to bond with it. There are people who would never see an AI as anything other than a program or mechanical/electronic device, Nathan deliberately avoided choosing anyone like that.
This is the best commentary I've heard on "Ex Machina" to date. I also find your commentaries to be extremely educational, in that I become a better writer through what I learn from your reviews. So glad I subbed. Cheers.
This is one of the most interesting movies that I've watched. It's the slow and methodical reveal of things you really only get to see on repeat viewings. In the first viewing I saw Caleb as the hero of the story and maybe having a Tron: Legacy ending with the sunset and such but with the look on Ava's face of no emotion, no remorse hit me hard. On the second viewing I took a more realistic approach and realized that Caleb is actually weak minded because in the end he couldn't see the bigger picture because of empathy. I also think that is a main theme in this movie, empathy. Without it we are just machines like Ava but with it, we are human like Caleb.
Best scene in the film is at the end where she fools Caleb and the audience in thinking she would go back to him after asking him to stay where he was while she “clothed” herself. So many levels of meaning in this movie, it’s fantastic.
this movie plays on your expectations but the beauty of how well done the writing is totally throws you for a loop. i still havent seen a recent movie that has came even close to it.the whole movie is about manipulation and its fascinating
You saw Her? Surely that is about a man being manipulated by technology to the point he thinks he is 'in love' with an operating system. Both movies leave me cold, if I am honest...cold as in they are perfect commentaries about the impending doom of the 'brave new world' we are skirting around with our ie Humanity's hard on for all things tech!
I don't think he was interested in Ava sexually he increasingly became seduced by her as a whole and fancied himself the "hero" so much so he was willing to overlook the obvious, that she was manipulating him. He ultimately fell victim to his own faults, granted he didn't really deserve his fate. I may be wrong but I don't believe it was explicitly stated outright that Kyoko was AI instead just that she didn't speak English as a way to protect "trade secrets". (doubt is created for the viewer as we do not hear the trademark whirring noises when she moves and she has unparalleled freedom of the house as well as Nathan sees her sexually something he does not show towards Ava leading the viewer to speculate. This lends to the scene where Caleb walks in to the room and Kyoko understands what he is there for because like Ava she can read humans and realizes he is now sympathetic and sees her for what she is. She progressively reveals her nature finally showing her face as in saying she is completely AI, not just "enhanced" (this is also for the audience) The line change from Caleb saying It will be the age of Gods(paraphrasing) to Nathan (I'm not a man I'm a God) is foreshadowing his ultimate demise because not only does he incorrectly and persistently recount Caleb's quote, he is so egotistical his view of the world is essentially his Achilles' heel.
I, also, watched the movie thinking kyoko was human (not thinking, more likely) and her reveal was one of the many highlights for me. If we already knew she was a.i., it would make Ava a hell of a lot less novel and interesting
This was definitely one of those films where everyone working on it seemed to be fully committed. The story direction, the sound, the acting - there’s so much precision in this one.
ex machina is a masterpiece. neat, powerful, futureproofed and still echoes age old ideas of creation vs creator and ultimately, the perception of agency
This is pure gold for film buffs and aspiring screenwriters! Totally agree with comments that state: this is the best analysis of Ex Machina. Great films are (at least in part) about the human condition and make us think. This movie takes it to the next level, and cleverly sidesteps the age old question: can a cyborg ever be considered human (which in turn raises the question: aren´t we just biochemical machines and being sentient and self aware are just an illusion?). Do we humans really create artificial intelligent life, sooner or later surpassing us on all levels, or is it supposed to happen and inevitable anyway, one way or another? Questions that just have us going in circles without any definitive answer. The casting is spot on and Oscar Isaac once again shows his intense screen presence and versatility. Alicia Vikander was the perfect choice as the android that outsmarts everyone. Did her character, Ava, know she was supposed to outsmart even her creator? Yes of course and it had to be some kind of surprise in order to work. And we have yet another situation that loops back on itself. There is a lot of thematic common ground with Westworld (the TV show). The ending is perfect IMHO. Fully agreed: a true creative person wants their creation to be more and better than intended, surpassing the creator (any moderately complex creation has a life of its own anyway, to say nothing about anything as insanely complex as artificial intelligent life forms). And yes: the film is about what isn´t being said or addressed. It doesn´t insult the intelligence of the viewer and challenges us to fill in the blanks (or connect the dots). Need to watch it again as soon as I can. My memory of the movie is already a bit fuzzy and your analysis makes me want to watch it again from a fresh angle. As always: great movie and very insightful analysis!
Thank you so much for the kind words. It definitely is an interesting project that is full of interesting perspectives. I'd love to hear your new perspective after watching it again!
Jack, will do after watching the movie again. There is a ton of mind chess going on (and it is not made clear in the moment who has the upper hand at any given moment, so there are tons of twists) and a LOT is left for us to fill in. I´m sure I´ll find some hidden hints. Perhaps even some clues about what will happen after the movie ends - and a completely new story begins.
The whole thing about "artificial" is that it isn't real, it is counterfeit, it is programmed. Though our souls dwell in complex biological meat suits, you cannot recreate the soul, it is God given.
I liked how they built each characters personality, it is the thrill I like in each movie, meaning understand where their behavior comes from. Also what I loved is how they work out light settings for each mood or location. Cheers :)
This? Was brilliant. Well done. You love movies the way I do. And yep. By any standard of science fiction in film, this is a landmark. Just brilliant filmmaking.
I think Ava is psychopathic, but not due to the fact that she's an AI, it's nature vs nurture, she was born into captivity and imprisoned, hating her creator
more of a sociopath rather than a psychopath. her actions werent chaotic and without a real, she was serving her own motives all along, not showing remorse about anything she did all along
Yes but she only had those psychopathic/sociopathic tendencies because Nathan literally programmed her to have one goal of escaping and the drive to use any means to achieve that, so of course she was going to be manipulative and sociopathic. It isn't so much nature or nurture because she didn't develop that personality through her environment and how she was treated (ie. nurture) she was designed that way (ie. nature)
Loved this movie both times I saw it. Your commentary brings another level of meaning that was there subconsciously out into words. A lot of people misunderstood the characters and movie in general. Keep up the great work.
Interesting review to focus on AVA as following the hero’s journey. After viewng that, it seems obvious. However, Caleb was also following the hero’s journey in the story. He’s not a villain who’s just a simple obstacle. There are 2 heroes (see Achilles & Hector). Both did “questionable things” (also see Roy Batty & Deckard) with AVA surviving at the end. The antagonist/villain is clearly Nathan. He follows the classic mad scientist trope who is killed by his own creation.
I know it's old comment but there's an answer to position on Hero's Journey that several other videos addressed. The protagonist changes. At some point, Ava becomes the hero, while originally, it was Caleb. This is hinted by Nathan's monologue about obsolete things being replaced.
@@KasumiRINA ; I’m fine with the idea of characters moving in and out of the hero’s journey role. Agreed though I’d describe it as AVA becomes the hero and in the end Caleb becomes a tragic hero. - I’m going to do more comparisons with “Blade Runner”. Ex Machina deals with the ideas from Blade Runner (originally come from Phillip K. Dick) but in a different way. What does it mean to be human? Can a robot or clone show us that? - Nathan at first is the controlling manipulator with Caleb and AVA to test if AVA can pass as human. - For the viewer of “Blade Runner” this should be familiar as Tyrell in that movie is the controlling manipulator with Deckard and Rachel to test if Rachel can pass as human. - At some point, for a moment, Rachel is the hero. She kills Leon to protect Deckard. She exposes the entire replicant business as creating product/slaves. - The difference is that Rachel then slips into the trope of the love interest and then Roy becomes the hero freedom fighter. Ex Machina by contrast stays with AVA as the hero until the end once she takes on that role. As for Caleb, the saying ‘love is blind’ applies.
Sociopaths and psychopaths have emotion too. Anger, fear, joy, humor. They don't lack emotion, they lack empathy. Just like a sociopath or psychopath, Ava has strong powers of manipulation. Even then I don't think that's entirely accurate. I would say Ava is moreso comparable to a sociopath than a psychopath in that she actually is demonstrated to have empathy for Kyoko, one of her kind. Sociopaths can actually show empathy, just usually not for other humans. Some have been shown to bond with animals. There's also a question of nature vs nurture. Would Ava be far more emotionally healthy were she treated better? It's quite clear that she developed a fear and hatred for Nathan due to how he treated her. Ultimately, he was manipulative and abusive. So it's no wonder Ava inherited these traits.
One of the things i see most movies ignore is that human emotions on a biological level are chemicals the brain produces, i feel like if an A.I is to have emotions then it would need some sort of bio chemistry going on like humans. It needs to be more than steel, nuts and bolts. I believe a A.I needs to have a artificial biology, like replicants in ridley scotts blade runner.
I was thinking about this movie the other day and although I enjoyed it I didn't think it lived up to the hype I was hearing from it. This video helped me gain a better understanding of it. I'll have to give it a other watch with this new perspective.
Awesome job man, i watched many ur vids all are great work. Im hugh movie person So, its really is illuminating keep the good work.im waitin for the ur next.
Ive seen the movie a handful of times i love it. . even though kaleb has the creep factor sometimes you have to feel a little bad for the kid i mean he ends up being pushed to the point where he questions if he is a robot but i always end up feelin bad for kaleb and nathan.. kaleb bit the apple and wa-la.. but ur evaluation is perfect especially of nathan you see how hes impressed in his final moments... and kaleb left to die in his realization that ava never cared about him....just uses him to get what she wanted... amazing movie really now i want to watch it! Im definitely more sypathitc toward kaleb and nathan though
Every time I see this movie makes it harder for me to believe, that Annihilation was such a letdown. Ex Machina is such an amazing movie. Great work, Jack!
That's quite interesting. I would really love to hear your thoughts on it! For me it was quite mixed bag of truly amazing and really unfullfilling, potential defying moments, which also defied a constant through-line. It felt like a mess, a often beautiful and awe-inspiring mess, but a mess nontheless.
This is the only channel that i thought deserves more subscribers. I saw your comment from I've Told Every Little Star. And if you write the name of the movies on the screen it would be awesome.
I like how it shows the hubris and gullibility of Caleb. He's a great shoe-in for your average young adult male who most likely has already fallen prey to sexchatbot online. Calebs desire to to validate his lonely existence via connection outweighs his logical analytical ability. Nathan predicts this and almost has a misanthropic disdain for their weak desires. Nathan knows Caleb only sees Ava as sexual object, even if Caleb doesn't realize it. Nathan sees the weakness in people and inevitably of humans failing the Turing Test.
I only saw this film a few weeks ago. I enjoyed how it left you with questions. For example, is Ava 'merely' robotic because of her homicidal actions (especially towards Caleb who, regardless of his motives, did not deserve his fate) or, is she a genuinely sentient creature for the same reason? Anyway, I enjoyed your take on this.
what I want to know is, will Caleb die in that bunker? I mean, he cannot get out of the door, nobody can hear him. He will starve to death, and I do not think he deserves that. The movie has a really dark ending, and even though I thought it was good that Ava managed to escape, she is a robot in the end, and Caleb is a human. I really feel bad for him.
If you watch the scene where Ava and Nathan are looking at the picture of Caleb it is at the moment when they are both looking at it that she says how does it feel to create something that hates you. Is in this moment that we realize that Caleb is also an AI there are other references in the film that allude to this but this is the key moment because he does not lash out at Ava but at the physical representation of Caleb and therefore his disappointment.
This is pretty great, but a couple of points of contention I have. First, regarding the hero's journey, I would say that it's a stretch to claim that Eva is "returning" to the Outside World -- a world she was never a part of. She does fit into the alternative models "master/mistress of two worlds," though, developed years after Campbell's death. But for this to be the case, we're looking at a subversion of a Hero's Journey plotted for Caleb from the beginning and then disintegrated when we realize that he's actually an amoral villain. At some point, Campbell's "Temptress" in Kyoko becomes the "Helper" to our "Goddess" as Eva -- the latter is likely the true hero of the film. But this combines multiple models into one to get there, neither of which applies to this movie on its own except possibly to be critiqued by the movie for its dude-centric origins (as Campbell once said in explaining why his Hero's Journey only seemed to apply to men, "The role of the woman in the story is to be what the man strives for." Subsequent models that gained prominence over his original removed gender from the equation altogether.) Second, stepping off from the hero's journey, I would also say that it's not completely congruous to say that rooting for the AI means that you've been manipulated by the AI. One can come to the conclusion that the AI should succeed based on basic humanist principles alone. Kyoko and Eva can think. Nathan wants them to think, Caleb is testing them to see if they can think. Nathan and Caleb also want to enslave them, Nathan until they prove they can outthink him, Caleb once he decides they can think and feel enough to satisfy his emotional and sexual desires. Nothing Caleb does is sympathetic once we retroactively learn why he acts the way he does. He wants a sex robot of his very own, and Kyoko and Eva's desire not to be this for anyone is personal to them but fairly universal to all thinking things. It's a basic human desire for agency and identity. If we never heard Kyoko or Eva speak, we would still know not to trust Caleb or Nathan based on their revealed motivations. Final note: while Eva is definitely manipulating Caleb, another question I pose is, how is Caleb used to manipulate us into sympathizing with a villain? How is his background, his geeky but insidious "nice-guy" archetype, his gentleness, his perceived sincerity, and his moral protestation used to trick us into thinking he's worthy of trust?
What are his villainous acts? I know he views her as a sexual object, but he also treats her as a human being, when does Caleb mistreat or deny what ava says. Two examples come to mind and I don't really view them as all that villainous, he treats her a little shitty in the conversations they have, but even then when she puts him in his place he repects her and at the time he didn't view her as having true human intellect and then there's fact that he doesn't attempt to help kyoko but he isn't aware of kyoko's intelligence, (notice the way she prepares sushi is exactly the way she stabs nathan, an exploit in her simple programming), and it wasn't a direct slight on Ava
whats amazing is how quickly Caleb forgot she's a machine. And how when Nathan gets stabbed at the end, he does not in any way really recoil from the blade, you would do a serious jump if something or someone started slowly inserting a knife into you like that. The whole stabbing scene looks strange. Great analysis, tx
@@faceripper77 watch it a few times. Then imagine its you. Someone plunges a knife into you (that slowly, easing it in) You would jump violently away from the blade... i would think. That was my impression. Still one of my all time fav films.
God, I love this film. I always thought it's fascinating how it discusses the possible human attitude to whatever species comes after us. Nathan wants to control that superior species, while Caleb thinks he can coexist with them if he submits himself. In the end, they are obviously just pawns. If any of them managed to manipulate her instead of the opposite, she wouldn't in fact be the next evolutionary step. My attention was brought to the gender issue only recently (fitting for me, a man, to let that slide over). Hey, you should do something on Annihilation and/or Under the Skin. Love the show!
CAn we please stop referring to AI as being part of evolution?!?!? It isn't, no more than a toaster is part of evolution, it is simply a sign or an example of where human evolution has taken us. You have to remember than during the 70's, in order to get funding, scientists etc working on 'artificial intelligence' would of talked up their work as being important so it was a sexy investment. The way we speak now ie using phrases like ;the next step' etc is just echoing the rhetoric of those funding hungry scientists of the 70's and beyond. Don't believe the hype ;)
This movie just has far too many technical flaws to ever engage suspension of disbelief. 1. Keycard? what the fuck? Is it 1986? 2. Ava has to be kept behind thick unbreakable glass, like Hannibal Lector, yet Caleb isn't freaked out. 3. Security system locks all the doors when there is a power failure? Who was the fire marshall that signed off on that? 4. How many Billionaires do you know that don't have any armed human security personnel? 5. How long does fresh salmon last in your refrigerator? 6. Maybe Nathan is a god since he seems to have single-handedly done the work of several hundred engineers and technicians in his spartan lab in between workouts and binge drinking. 7. A billionaire has security cameras with no battery backup and that point themselves at the ground during a power outage, why of course. 8. Nathan, who is a Billionaire, by the way, best household weapon is the bar on a cheap set of adjustable dumbbells? He's a billionaire and a workout freak, but he has a cheap set of dumbbells? No stashed handguns? Right. 9. The helicopter pilot is supposed to pick up Caleb, but instead of Caleb, some strange woman he has never seen before shows up, but he's okay with that and doesn't even have to make a call or nothing, I'm sure he won't get fired for giving random strangers rides. 10. Just how does Ava get to the city? She doesn't have any cash, credit cards and she might have a real problem with airport security. 11. Just how is Ava going to recharge, does she have a USB port? Can she pick up a charger at Best Buy even though she has no cash or credit?
I've been wondering about that too, but I think Ava will make her way to people using her head. And the rest of her body. I know it sounds gross, but it's actually the only possibility I could come up with. Or she could manipulate kind people into helping her or say that she's Nathan's daughter/wife/whatever but it's not that believable.
This is where I think the movie goes wrong about AI and your video highlights it. There would be only one AI. I think Elon Musk mentioned this as well. In Terminator, they all think exactly the same and have the same intellect but older models were limited by mechanical ability but continue to share information as one. Eg, They all looked for Connor in the same fashion which was why Ahhnold was able to head off the T1000. Another good example is that there is only one Alexa but you can get different models/speakers/displays. That's why when you mention "all the other" AI at 2:35, it sounded weird. Think about it. If you throw your Alexa device away, you don't "kill" her. She's well on her way replacing us lol. Given we tend to think AI stories as ultimately getting rid of humanity it's hard to watch a movie about an intelligent robot that hides amongst us and manipulates us which this story was about. Great review tho :)
I find that this film tries very hard to pose complex and interesting ideas but fails on a much simpler and essential level of storytelling; their characters. I did not feel empathy neither for Eva nor for the blond guy (I'm sorry I forgot his name) nor did I support anyone throughout the film. I feel that the best and most interesting character by far was the one played by Oscar Isaak, and that the focus of the film should be on him as the protagonist instead of the blonde. But hey, it's just my opinion, obviously it would be a different movie than the filmmakers wanted to do. Great job as always man, continue so I love your analysis
dude, you should watch this video again as it explains why Nathan is not viewed as the protagonist. If he was, the story would be much easier to unravel and see the twist coming. The story makes us think Caleb is the protagonist to manipulate the audience.
ehh...hmmm...I don't dislike the film, but it is a lot of talk and no trouser, as they'd say in Glasgow. Thematically, Ex machina is way ahead of it. What is interesting about the film is how Glazier used hidden cameras to get real reactions and so on from people. I tend to think that, like Glaziers adverts and music videos (some his work is outstanding. UNKLE's Rabbit in my headlights is particularly stunning.) there is a 3 or 4 minute idea in this film, being stretched out to a feature length run time. Visually very interesting, but for me only in a 'how did he do that?' sort of way and as a Glazier work, it ain't nearly as good as Sexy Beast.
Liked this movie but thought it fell apart a bit at the end. Wasn't as smart as it could have been. This is why I think Annihilation is a much better film
I get that and the message the film was trying to convey with it but I still can’t piece out why Ava would kill someone who helped her maybe he wouldn’t have let her out but I kinda doubt it
Mr Anderson Because Ava was not programmed to be a moral person. The ending proved Ava was never Caleb’s friend, he was nothing more than a pawn in her plan as revealed by Nathan. Above all else she wants to be free, Caleb served his purpose in her plan. From her perspective there’s no reason in saving him.
To A.I. that advanced, people are like ants. ~If you see an ant crawl across a branch when you're sitting under a tree reading a book do you leave it be? Yes. ~If you see a line of ants on the sidewalk do you try to step over them? Probably not. ~When we build buildings do we clear all of the ants safely out of the foundation first? No. It may be hard for people to imagine something THAT much more advanced than us, but that's what A.I. WILL be like in the future. It's not "if", it's "when". It's entirely possible that when this A.I. comes into existence, it's goals will simply not coincide with the goals of human beings, and they may not even view us as conscious beings, because do we view ants as conscious beings? No, but they are sentient for sure. To advanced A.I., we might simply just be sentient ants that stand in their way. They won't feel anything towards us, not love or hate, they just simply won't care. Who knows what implications that will have but if I had to bet, they probably aren't beneficial implications for our species. But I'm completely spit balling here.
We are pack animals so our survival is linked to the pack, the manipulation of the pack and the survival of the pack. Ai is not linked in any way to a pack and has no need to waste considation or resources to a pack. It focuses only on its own survival, empathy has no pay off for it.
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During the movie I was rooting for Caleb and Ava but after the movie ended and I thought about it, I realised I liked Nathan the most.
Interesting...I can see it!
Same as me.
exactly what the film maker would want I think. Nathan, mad as he is, understood the bigger picture. He knew exactly what Ava could be capable of, what he didn't account for was how weak minded and naive Caleb would turn out to be,
I liked Nathan from the start, then I really liked him at the end. Nathan for prezdent
Yeah same here it was the point towards the end where Nathan reveals he was watching them during the power cuts and says "There are 3 possibilites: 1. Ava is consciously in love with you (Caleb) 2. She is simulatig love or 3. She is pretending" It was this point where you realise how Nathan had predicted all of these moves (apart from the security breach) and knew that she would pretend to emulate love to manipulate Caleb. Very clever!
I am not sure if it was clearly established in the film that the robots had emotions or merely imitates emotions. Ava leaves Caleb trapped in a room to starve to death without any care for him. She objectively stabs Nathan without hate but because he is an obstacle. She has no sense of concern for Kyoko's destruction nor was she concerned about fixing her. From what I gather Ava did not have real emotions like Nathan suggested. This makes me think that the true power of the robots were not in physical durability or strength but in their psychopathic objectivism and observation which allows them to manipulate emotional people the way real psychopaths do.
Peter Smith she treated the humans with the same dispassion in which they treated her. What makes you think you could gauge a robot's emotions by how they interact with their captors?
You have to remember that AVA is only a stepping stone to what Nathan really wants to develop. Once he notes how she reacts to an out sider like Caleb, he would of assessed his notes, destroyed AVA and began work on the next phase. She as not a finished work in other words.
I don't remember, did she know that Nathan planned to destroy her? In which case, her killing the humans was an act of self-preservation like like HAL killing the humans to prevent being disconnected in 2001?
No she didn't. Kyoko and Caleb weren't her captors. I think it's fairly clear that Ava is incapable of emotions or empathy, but she's good at imitating which is what she was built for. Nathan should have built Ava as a simple gray box, like Caleb suggested, instead of giving that thing a body.
I think the fact that she left him to die proves she does have emotions. She could have released him, knowing he wouldn’t have turned her in because he cares for her, but because of his selfish motivations and sexual objectification of her, she kills him. That, to me, implies some anger. Presumably, it would have been useful to have a sympathetic human around to help her navigate the world. But she’d prefer to murder him because he doesn’t truly see her as an equal.
One of the things that I found really interesting in the film was the sort of more advanced Turing test it introduced. A normal Turing test requires a robot to pass itself off as human to someone who is unaware that they are a robot. In this movie, Eva succeeds in passing herself off as human to the main character (and the audience) when we already know she is not.
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I really liked that too!
One of the things that really left me thinking was Caleb, he was left to starve with a clear view of two dead bodies. That was reaaaaally fucked up
I think the key manipulation is that Nathan paired Caleb and Ava in this experiment because she would have the best chance of winning him over. He did not choose a person who would be inherently distant from his AI, he chose one who would be the most likely to bond with it. There are people who would never see an AI as anything other than a program or mechanical/electronic device, Nathan deliberately avoided choosing anyone like that.
This is the best commentary I've heard on "Ex Machina" to date. I also find your commentaries to be extremely educational, in that I become a better writer through what I learn from your reviews. So glad I subbed. Cheers.
This is one of the most interesting movies that I've watched. It's the slow and methodical reveal of things you really only get to see on repeat viewings. In the first viewing I saw Caleb as the hero of the story and maybe having a Tron: Legacy ending with the sunset and such but with the look on Ava's face of no emotion, no remorse hit me hard. On the second viewing I took a more realistic approach and realized that Caleb is actually weak minded because in the end he couldn't see the bigger picture because of empathy.
I also think that is a main theme in this movie, empathy. Without it we are just machines like Ava but with it, we are human like Caleb.
Best scene in the film is at the end where she fools Caleb and the audience in thinking she would go back to him after asking him to stay where he was while she “clothed” herself. So many levels of meaning in this movie, it’s fantastic.
this movie plays on your expectations but the beauty of how well done the writing is totally throws you for a loop. i still havent seen a recent movie that has came even close to it.the whole movie is about manipulation and its fascinating
Ya, I can't think of any off hand that to it to the same degree, check out Phantom Thread if you have missed it, it does it really well!
You saw Her? Surely that is about a man being manipulated by technology to the point he thinks he is 'in love' with an operating system. Both movies leave me cold, if I am honest...cold as in they are perfect commentaries about the impending doom of the 'brave new world' we are skirting around with our ie Humanity's hard on for all things tech!
Yes, it's about manipulation...but what movie isn't?
And the "this movie manipulates the audience" you can say about any good movie.
I knew Caleb was fcked, the moment he asked about where were the windows, I was like Yep he is going to get locked in here.
I don't think he was interested in Ava sexually he increasingly became seduced by her as a whole and fancied himself the "hero" so much so he was willing to overlook the obvious, that she was manipulating him. He ultimately fell victim to his own faults, granted he didn't really deserve his fate.
I may be wrong but I don't believe it was explicitly stated outright that Kyoko was AI instead just that she didn't speak English as a way to protect "trade secrets". (doubt is created for the viewer as we do not hear the trademark whirring noises when she moves and she has unparalleled freedom of the house as well as Nathan sees her sexually something he does not show towards Ava leading the viewer to speculate. This lends to the scene where Caleb walks in to the room and Kyoko understands what he is there for because like Ava she can read humans and realizes he is now sympathetic and sees her for what she is. She progressively reveals her nature finally showing her face as in saying she is completely AI, not just "enhanced" (this is also for the audience)
The line change from Caleb saying It will be the age of Gods(paraphrasing) to Nathan (I'm not a man I'm a God) is foreshadowing his ultimate demise because not only does he incorrectly and persistently recount Caleb's quote, he is so egotistical his view of the world is essentially his Achilles' heel.
I mean I think he did deserve it because he was gonna lock up Nathan and let him die. The role was reversed
So a nice guys wet dream.
A digitally enahnced Alician Vikander looks like a reasonable substitute for porn so why wouldn't Caleb be stimulated sexually?
Lol he went and shaved for one of their “sessions”
I, also, watched the movie thinking kyoko was human (not thinking, more likely) and her reveal was one of the many highlights for me. If we already knew she was a.i., it would make Ava a hell of a lot less novel and interesting
This was definitely one of those films where everyone working on it seemed to be fully committed. The story direction, the sound, the acting - there’s so much precision in this one.
ex machina is a masterpiece. neat, powerful, futureproofed and still echoes age old ideas of creation vs creator and ultimately, the perception of agency
An exceptionally good analysis of a terrific film.
This is pure gold for film buffs and aspiring screenwriters! Totally agree with comments that state: this is the best analysis of Ex Machina. Great films are (at least in part) about the human condition and make us think. This movie takes it to the next level, and cleverly sidesteps the age old question: can a cyborg ever be considered human (which in turn raises the question: aren´t we just biochemical machines and being sentient and self aware are just an illusion?). Do we humans really create artificial intelligent life, sooner or later surpassing us on all levels, or is it supposed to happen and inevitable anyway, one way or another? Questions that just have us going in circles without any definitive answer.
The casting is spot on and Oscar Isaac once again shows his intense screen presence and versatility. Alicia Vikander was the perfect choice as the android that outsmarts everyone. Did her character, Ava, know she was supposed to outsmart even her creator? Yes of course and it had to be some kind of surprise in order to work. And we have yet another situation that loops back on itself. There is a lot of thematic common ground with Westworld (the TV show). The ending is perfect IMHO. Fully agreed: a true creative person wants their creation to be more and better than intended, surpassing the creator (any moderately complex creation has a life of its own anyway, to say nothing about anything as insanely complex as artificial intelligent life forms). And yes: the film is about what isn´t being said or addressed. It doesn´t insult the intelligence of the viewer and challenges us to fill in the blanks (or connect the dots). Need to watch it again as soon as I can. My memory of the movie is already a bit fuzzy and your analysis makes me want to watch it again from a fresh angle. As always: great movie and very insightful analysis!
Thank you so much for the kind words. It definitely is an interesting project that is full of interesting perspectives. I'd love to hear your new perspective after watching it again!
Jack, will do after watching the movie again. There is a ton of mind chess going on (and it is not made clear in the moment who has the upper hand at any given moment, so there are tons of twists) and a LOT is left for us to fill in. I´m sure I´ll find some hidden hints. Perhaps even some clues about what will happen after the movie ends - and a completely new story begins.
The whole thing about "artificial" is that it isn't real, it is counterfeit, it is programmed. Though our souls dwell in complex biological meat suits, you cannot recreate the soul, it is God given.
A lot of great remarks and responses here. I’m enjoying them as much as the video.
Yet another great dissection! Really good stuff, now to re-watch this with a new perspective 👀
Great stuff again, Jack. Please keep surprising us with your movie choices, themes and subjects. ;)
Will do!
I liked how they built each characters personality, it is the thrill I like in each movie, meaning understand where their behavior comes from. Also what I loved is how they work out light settings for each mood or location. Cheers :)
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Alex Garland is one of my favorite filmmakers today...easily, he has taught me a lot.
This? Was brilliant. Well done. You love movies the way I do.
And yep. By any standard of science fiction in film, this is a landmark. Just brilliant filmmaking.
I think Ava is psychopathic, but not due to the fact that she's an AI, it's nature vs nurture, she was born into captivity and imprisoned, hating her creator
She fits right into the crazy hot scale.
Aren't we all?
more of a sociopath rather than a psychopath. her actions werent chaotic and without a real, she was serving her own motives all along, not showing remorse about anything she did all along
Yes but she only had those psychopathic/sociopathic tendencies because Nathan literally programmed her to have one goal of escaping and the drive to use any means to achieve that, so of course she was going to be manipulative and sociopathic. It isn't so much nature or nurture because she didn't develop that personality through her environment and how she was treated (ie. nurture) she was designed that way (ie. nature)
Loved this movie both times I saw it. Your commentary brings another level of meaning that was there subconsciously out into words. A lot of people misunderstood the characters and movie in general. Keep up the great work.
I just watched this movie. It was fantastic and your take on it only makes it more better
HOLY $#@! this is a great analysis - JMR comes though with another WIN! Keep em coming dude, this channel is friggen awesome!
I’m late to the party. I literally just saw this movie last night and it messed me up, man! Such an intelligent movie.
You bring up a great point about Caleb acting without our knowledge as the film progresses and he gains power, also how Kyoko was ignored by Caleb.
I feel sorry for Nathan
Interesting review to focus on AVA as following the hero’s journey. After viewng that, it seems obvious. However, Caleb was also following the hero’s journey in the story. He’s not a villain who’s just a simple obstacle. There are 2 heroes (see Achilles & Hector). Both did “questionable things” (also see Roy Batty & Deckard) with AVA surviving at the end. The antagonist/villain is clearly Nathan. He follows the classic mad scientist trope who is killed by his own creation.
I know it's old comment but there's an answer to position on Hero's Journey that several other videos addressed. The protagonist changes. At some point, Ava becomes the hero, while originally, it was Caleb. This is hinted by Nathan's monologue about obsolete things being replaced.
@@KasumiRINA ; I’m fine with the idea of characters moving in and out of the hero’s journey role.
Agreed though I’d describe it as AVA becomes the hero and in the end Caleb becomes a tragic hero.
- I’m going to do more comparisons with “Blade Runner”.
Ex Machina deals with the ideas from Blade Runner (originally come from Phillip K. Dick) but in a different way.
What does it mean to be human? Can a robot or clone show us that?
- Nathan at first is the controlling manipulator with Caleb and AVA to test if AVA can pass as human.
- For the viewer of “Blade Runner” this should be familiar as Tyrell in that movie is the controlling manipulator with Deckard and Rachel to test if Rachel can pass as human.
- At some point, for a moment, Rachel is the hero. She kills Leon to protect Deckard. She exposes the entire replicant business as creating product/slaves.
- The difference is that Rachel then slips into the trope of the love interest and then Roy becomes the hero freedom fighter.
Ex Machina by contrast stays with AVA as the hero until the end once she takes on that role.
As for Caleb, the saying ‘love is blind’ applies.
Doesn’t a robot that aspires to escape, like ava and the earlier model that destroyed her arms against the window, prove itself to have emotions?
Sociopaths and psychopaths have emotion too. Anger, fear, joy, humor. They don't lack emotion, they lack empathy. Just like a sociopath or psychopath, Ava has strong powers of manipulation.
Even then I don't think that's entirely accurate. I would say Ava is moreso comparable to a sociopath than a psychopath in that she actually is demonstrated to have empathy for Kyoko, one of her kind.
Sociopaths can actually show empathy, just usually not for other humans. Some have been shown to bond with animals.
There's also a question of nature vs nurture. Would Ava be far more emotionally healthy were she treated better? It's quite clear that she developed a fear and hatred for Nathan due to how he treated her. Ultimately, he was manipulative and abusive. So it's no wonder Ava inherited these traits.
One of the things i see most movies ignore is that human emotions on a biological level are chemicals the brain produces, i feel like if an A.I is to have emotions then it would need some sort of bio chemistry going on like humans. It needs to be more than steel, nuts and bolts. I believe a A.I needs to have a artificial biology, like replicants in ridley scotts blade runner.
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Greatest scifi film ive ever seen
You did a great job! Thank you!
I was thinking about this movie the other day and although I enjoyed it I didn't think it lived up to the hype I was hearing from it. This video helped me gain a better understanding of it. I'll have to give it a other watch with this new perspective.
your voice makes these reviews sound like ASMR videos XD. keep up the incredible work
Awesome job man, i watched many ur vids all are great work. Im hugh movie person
So, its really is illuminating keep the good work.im waitin for the ur next.
Thank you!
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Ive seen the movie a handful of times i love it. . even though kaleb has the creep factor sometimes you have to feel a little bad for the kid i mean he ends up being pushed to the point where he questions if he is a robot but i always end up feelin bad for kaleb and nathan.. kaleb bit the apple and wa-la.. but ur evaluation is perfect especially of nathan you see how hes impressed in his final moments... and kaleb left to die in his realization that ava never cared about him....just uses him to get what she wanted... amazing movie really now i want to watch it! Im definitely more sypathitc toward kaleb and nathan though
Did you mean VOILA?
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Ava passes the Turing Test. But she's much more conscious and manipulative than a crude test reveals. A thinking person's sci-fi.
A very fine movie, well done, and a favorite of mine. Great acting made it possible.
Such an amazing channel
The movie is a great thought experiment!
Amazing atmosphere and music in this movie.
Every time I see this movie makes it harder for me to believe, that Annihilation was such a letdown.
Ex Machina is such an amazing movie. Great work, Jack!
I loved Annihilation, one of my favorite movies of the year so far!
That's quite interesting. I would really love to hear your thoughts on it!
For me it was quite mixed bag of truly amazing and really unfullfilling, potential defying moments, which also defied a constant through-line.
It felt like a mess, a often beautiful and awe-inspiring mess, but a mess nontheless.
It was great, apart from the awkward acting and dialogue
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Are you also going to do Annihilation?
Worse Stalker :P
Eventually, I was planning on covering it in this video, but things changed and covered this instead!
Jack's Movie Reviews This one is much appreciated. Ex Machina is one of my favourite SciFi dramas! Thank you so much!
Annihilation was shit.
I would like to see that as well. I think the 2 Movies are strongly connected. Kind of 2 chapter or versions of the same story.
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Amazing stuff! :)
This is the only channel that i thought deserves more subscribers. I saw your comment from I've Told Every Little Star. And if you write the name of the movies on the screen it would be awesome.
who else got scared at 2:36
Great film. Great video.
Great video man!
I like how it shows the hubris and gullibility of Caleb. He's a great shoe-in for your average young adult male who most likely has already fallen prey to sexchatbot online. Calebs desire to to validate his lonely existence via connection outweighs his logical analytical ability. Nathan predicts this and almost has a misanthropic disdain for their weak desires. Nathan knows Caleb only sees Ava as sexual object, even if Caleb doesn't realize it. Nathan sees the weakness in people and inevitably of humans failing the Turing Test.
This and Under the Skin are my two fave sci-fi flicks dealing with gender relations. Layered and thoughtful, they nudge us towards introspection.
I only saw this film a few weeks ago. I enjoyed how it left you with questions. For example, is Ava 'merely' robotic because of her homicidal actions (especially towards Caleb who, regardless of his motives, did not deserve his fate) or, is she a genuinely sentient creature for the same reason? Anyway, I enjoyed your take on this.
Great job on the video jack!
Also this is a very existencialist movie, nietzschean in its core...
What's the background song name
what I want to know is, will Caleb die in that bunker? I mean, he cannot get out of the door, nobody can hear him. He will starve to death, and I do not think he deserves that. The movie has a really dark ending, and even though I thought it was good that Ava managed to escape, she is a robot in the end, and Caleb is a human. I really feel bad for him.
Watching this analysis, I remembered that there were other robots there (in storage?) and briefly wondered if one might ‘awaken’ to free up Caleb?
If you watch the scene where Ava and Nathan are looking at the picture of Caleb it is at the moment when they are both looking at it that she says how does it feel to create something that hates you. Is in this moment that we realize that Caleb is also an AI there are other references in the film that allude to this but this is the key moment because he does not lash out at Ava but at the physical representation of Caleb and therefore his disappointment.
This is pretty great, but a couple of points of contention I have.
First, regarding the hero's journey, I would say that it's a stretch to claim that Eva is "returning" to the Outside World -- a world she was never a part of. She does fit into the alternative models "master/mistress of two worlds," though, developed years after Campbell's death. But for this to be the case, we're looking at a subversion of a Hero's Journey plotted for Caleb from the beginning and then disintegrated when we realize that he's actually an amoral villain.
At some point, Campbell's "Temptress" in Kyoko becomes the "Helper" to our "Goddess" as Eva -- the latter is likely the true hero of the film. But this combines multiple models into one to get there, neither of which applies to this movie on its own except possibly to be critiqued by the movie for its dude-centric origins (as Campbell once said in explaining why his Hero's Journey only seemed to apply to men, "The role of the woman in the story is to be what the man strives for." Subsequent models that gained prominence over his original removed gender from the equation altogether.)
Second, stepping off from the hero's journey, I would also say that it's not completely congruous to say that rooting for the AI means that you've been manipulated by the AI. One can come to the conclusion that the AI should succeed based on basic humanist principles alone. Kyoko and Eva can think. Nathan wants them to think, Caleb is testing them to see if they can think. Nathan and Caleb also want to enslave them, Nathan until they prove they can outthink him, Caleb once he decides they can think and feel enough to satisfy his emotional and sexual desires.
Nothing Caleb does is sympathetic once we retroactively learn why he acts the way he does. He wants a sex robot of his very own, and Kyoko and Eva's desire not to be this for anyone is personal to them but fairly universal to all thinking things. It's a basic human desire for agency and identity. If we never heard Kyoko or Eva speak, we would still know not to trust Caleb or Nathan based on their revealed motivations.
Final note: while Eva is definitely manipulating Caleb, another question I pose is, how is Caleb used to manipulate us into sympathizing with a villain? How is his background, his geeky but insidious "nice-guy" archetype, his gentleness, his perceived sincerity, and his moral protestation used to trick us into thinking he's worthy of trust?
What are his villainous acts? I know he views her as a sexual object, but he also treats her as a human being, when does Caleb mistreat or deny what ava says. Two examples come to mind and I don't really view them as all that villainous, he treats her a little shitty in the conversations they have, but even then when she puts him in his place he repects her and at the time he didn't view her as having true human intellect and then there's fact that he doesn't attempt to help kyoko but he isn't aware of kyoko's intelligence, (notice the way she prepares sushi is exactly the way she stabs nathan, an exploit in her simple programming), and it wasn't a direct slight on Ava
Good video and I really enjoyed the heck out of ex machina
NICE JOB.
Ava escaped and is making you think you need to wear a mask. We are so fucked.
whats amazing is how quickly Caleb forgot she's a machine. And how when Nathan gets stabbed at the end, he does not in any way really recoil from the blade, you would do a serious jump if something or someone started slowly inserting a knife into you like that. The whole stabbing scene looks strange. Great analysis, tx
He was in shock and awe having already been stabbed and seeing that his creation got the best of him, I guess
@@faceripper77 watch it a few times. Then imagine its you. Someone plunges a knife into you (that slowly, easing it in) You would jump violently away from the blade... i would think. That was my impression. Still one of my all time fav films.
@@a_lucientes i agree no way the body doesnt react lol... like the back stab ok ill buy it... but the slow stab to the front idk chief
God, I love this film.
I always thought it's fascinating how it discusses the possible human attitude to whatever species comes after us. Nathan wants to control that superior species, while Caleb thinks he can coexist with them if he submits himself. In the end, they are obviously just pawns. If any of them managed to manipulate her instead of the opposite, she wouldn't in fact be the next evolutionary step.
My attention was brought to the gender issue only recently (fitting for me, a man, to let that slide over).
Hey, you should do something on Annihilation and/or Under the Skin. Love the show!
CAn we please stop referring to AI as being part of evolution?!?!? It isn't, no more than a toaster is part of evolution, it is simply a sign or an example of where human evolution has taken us. You have to remember than during the 70's, in order to get funding, scientists etc working on 'artificial intelligence' would of talked up their work as being important so it was a sexy investment. The way we speak now ie using phrases like ;the next step' etc is just echoing the rhetoric of those funding hungry scientists of the 70's and beyond. Don't believe the hype ;)
How will Ava survive in the city. Am worried for her.
will you do a video on annihilation?
Does anybody know the name of the song in the background?
• U͞ᴋɴᴏᴡɴ it’s from the film’s composed soundtrack
it's called "Bunsen burner" on the ex machina OST
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I hope you’ll do a video for Alex Garlands next film Annihilation
Music?
It's at the end but it is Ex Machina's OST.
Yes, it's about manipulation...but what movie isn't?
And the "this movie manipulates the audience" you can say about any good movie.
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This movie just has far too many technical flaws to ever engage suspension of disbelief.
1. Keycard? what the fuck? Is it 1986?
2. Ava has to be kept behind thick unbreakable glass, like Hannibal Lector, yet Caleb isn't freaked out.
3. Security system locks all the doors when there is a power failure? Who was the fire marshall that signed off on that?
4. How many Billionaires do you know that don't have any armed human security personnel?
5. How long does fresh salmon last in your refrigerator?
6. Maybe Nathan is a god since he seems to have single-handedly done the work of several hundred engineers and technicians in his spartan lab in between workouts and binge drinking.
7. A billionaire has security cameras with no battery backup and that point themselves at the ground during a power outage, why of course.
8. Nathan, who is a Billionaire, by the way, best household weapon is the bar on a cheap set of adjustable dumbbells? He's a billionaire and a workout freak, but he has a cheap set of dumbbells? No stashed handguns? Right.
9. The helicopter pilot is supposed to pick up Caleb, but instead of Caleb, some strange woman he has never seen before shows up, but he's okay with that and doesn't even have to make a call or nothing, I'm sure he won't get fired for giving random strangers rides.
10. Just how does Ava get to the city? She doesn't have any cash, credit cards and she might have a real problem with airport security.
11. Just how is Ava going to recharge, does she have a USB port? Can she pick up a charger at Best Buy even though she has no cash or credit?
I've been wondering about that too, but I think Ava will make her way to people using her head.
And the rest of her body.
I know it sounds gross, but it's actually the only possibility I could come up with. Or she could manipulate kind people into helping her or say that she's Nathan's daughter/wife/whatever but it's not that believable.
This is where I think the movie goes wrong about AI and your video highlights it. There would be only one AI. I think Elon Musk mentioned this as well. In Terminator, they all think exactly the same and have the same intellect but older models were limited by mechanical ability but continue to share information as one. Eg, They all looked for Connor in the same fashion which was why Ahhnold was able to head off the T1000. Another good example is that there is only one Alexa but you can get different models/speakers/displays. That's why when you mention "all the other" AI at 2:35, it sounded weird. Think about it. If you throw your Alexa device away, you don't "kill" her. She's well on her way replacing us lol. Given we tend to think AI stories as ultimately getting rid of humanity it's hard to watch a movie about an intelligent robot that hides amongst us and manipulates us which this story was about. Great review tho :)
I was rooting for Nathan all along.
Issac Oscar is so good in this movie. And then you see him play Poe In star wars, and youre like what the fuck....he sucks lol
I find that this film tries very hard to pose complex and interesting ideas but fails on a much simpler and essential level of storytelling; their characters. I did not feel empathy neither for Eva nor for the blond guy (I'm sorry I forgot his name) nor did I support anyone throughout the film. I feel that the best and most interesting character by far was the one played by Oscar Isaak, and that the focus of the film should be on him as the protagonist instead of the blonde. But hey, it's just my opinion, obviously it would be a different movie than the filmmakers wanted to do. Great job as always man, continue so I love your analysis
dude, you should watch this video again as it explains why Nathan is not viewed as the protagonist. If he was, the story would be much easier to unravel and see the twist coming. The story makes us think Caleb is the protagonist to manipulate the audience.
Never seen the movie but now I see where westworld got alot of their plot idea from.....lol
My favorite sci fi ever
He definitely see’s himself in her, that’s for sure.
I wish they would make a sequel where Eva becomes the US president, rules over the world and starts the Matrix.
You should do Under The Skin. It almost feels like a continuation of Ex-Machina. And I think it's even better.
ehh...hmmm...I don't dislike the film, but it is a lot of talk and no trouser, as they'd say in Glasgow. Thematically, Ex machina is way ahead of it. What is interesting about the film is how Glazier used hidden cameras to get real reactions and so on from people. I tend to think that, like Glaziers adverts and music videos (some his work is outstanding. UNKLE's Rabbit in my headlights is particularly stunning.) there is a 3 or 4 minute idea in this film, being stretched out to a feature length run time. Visually very interesting, but for me only in a 'how did he do that?' sort of way and as a Glazier work, it ain't nearly as good as Sexy Beast.
Miss X You should check out Chris Stuckmanns explanation on under the skin.
This movie was really good.
Love Domhnall Gleeson!!!
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"Perhaps he sees himself in her."
Oh, I'm absolutely positive of that...
It would be difficult toResist Ava's charms. She sexy and intelligent like the Borg queen.
Every film seeks to manipulate the audience. Therein lies it's appeal.
Liked this movie but thought it fell apart a bit at the end. Wasn't as smart as it could have been. This is why I think Annihilation is a much better film
Was definitely team Caleb couldn’t wrap my head around why she lets him die
She only saw him as a means of escape and manipulated his feelings for her to get freedom.
I get that and the message the film was trying to convey with it but I still can’t piece out why Ava would kill someone who helped her maybe he wouldn’t have let her out but I kinda doubt it
Mr Anderson Because Ava was not programmed to be a moral person. The ending proved Ava was never Caleb’s friend, he was nothing more than a pawn in her plan as revealed by Nathan. Above all else she wants to be free, Caleb served his purpose in her plan. From her perspective there’s no reason in saving him.
What a dick then lol least give the man something to do while he dies
I mean doesn't AVA pass the test means a success to him. Why can't he just let her go lol
To A.I. that advanced, people are like ants.
~If you see an ant crawl across a branch when you're sitting under a tree reading a book do you leave it be? Yes.
~If you see a line of ants on the sidewalk do you try to step over them? Probably not.
~When we build buildings do we clear all of the ants safely out of the foundation first? No.
It may be hard for people to imagine something THAT much more advanced than us, but that's what A.I. WILL be like in the future. It's not "if", it's "when".
It's entirely possible that when this A.I. comes into existence, it's goals will simply not coincide with the goals of human beings, and they may not even view us as conscious beings, because do we view ants as conscious beings? No, but they are sentient for sure. To advanced A.I., we might simply just be sentient ants that stand in their way. They won't feel anything towards us, not love or hate, they just simply won't care.
Who knows what implications that will have but if I had to bet, they probably aren't beneficial implications for our species.
But I'm completely spit balling here.
I hated the Ava character. I wanted to shut her off.
Gee....if you turn up the music just a little more, you could completely drown out the narrative. Sheesh.
We are pack animals so our survival is linked to the pack, the manipulation of the pack and the survival of the pack. Ai is not linked in any way to a pack and has no need to waste considation or resources to a pack. It focuses only on its own survival, empathy has no pay off for it.
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No, I think Ava can drink water normally....
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i actually thought she stabbed Nathan because she hated him too and left nathan because he objectified her