Just how good is Mishra's Factory? I see it a lot here and also in your playthrough but it's not really a card I've heard talked about until fairly recently
It’s a symptom of the stifled meta. In actual 1994 tournament Magic, a certain deck came out in LA, a deck engine that made for fast decks that almost always creatureless or few creatures. In the modern version of old school, this deck has not been discovered yet so slow cards like Mishra’s Factory to find some effectiveness, when it’s a niche card. It’s somewhat similar to Limited play (like sealed deck). Cards not viable in Constructed become basic building block cards in limited…for example, 2/2 bears. 2/2 vanilla creatures for two mana are solid cards for your 40 card sealed deck but too weak for 60 card Standard deck.
I don’t play with mishras factory because everyone else does. I get tired of looking at it. The card is good. Last tournament I played at, nerfed it. If you tapped it to pump itself, it would not deal combat damage. Worked out famously in my opinion.
It's one of the best creatures in old school. It's an auto include with 4 in almost every deck. It's also an auto include in X points. I think it should be nurfed (such as tapped creatures deal no combat damage), banned, restricted, or worth more than 1 point in X points.
@@TimmytheSorcerer Bolt is uncommon in R40. So counterburn can only play 3 and needs lots of fireballs. Maybe I should try efreet though. That could even things out. And take out channel in RG Aggro just to get some balanced games.
@@TimmytheSorcerer That's a pretty good question, I imagine you got to be quick with Fastbond, or you could get smoked early. My first thought goes to the Urza Lands, with the mana they produce, it can get you ahead early; or in a G/B Nightmare deck, Where Nightmare gets powered up from a field of Swamps, or hit them with a Drain Life! Land Tax could help get the lands into your hand, but the real challenge is getting cards into your hand without using a brain geyser. Land-based decks are my speciality, I'm going to try for an OS Fastbond deck!
at 23:55 it's hard to tell but it looks like the bolt was played before he had tapped to pump, in which case he could have double pumped the one that got bolted. However, it is possible they were talking to each other and he announced he was going to pump it. Oldschool players are usually good at giving the benefit of the doubt, but just gotta be careful!
Formats without Manaburn should see a Restriction of Su-Chi. 4 4 colorless with an optionally positive ability on death for 4 colorless mana is just insanely overpowered.
I think most formats use manaburn anyway, though I agree it kind of goes against the intended design of Su-Chi and a few other cards (power surge for example). However, even without manaburn there's so much artifact hate available that it isn't a huge deal... That being said I always play with manaburn if I can lol
I think mana burn is 100% necessary for old school. The mechanic is interesting, flavorful, part of the original rules, and without it a bunch of old school cards just get warped, like Su-Chi, Mana Drain, and Power Surge.
The perfect way to kick off the weekend. I love these Timmy Episodes
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I love seeing old school games. I first started when revised came out, so this is very nostalgic.
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Full three game set decided by an absolute blowout sideboard card? Proper magic.
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Always nice to see real Magic games. 93/94 and Premodern are what keeps the game alive!
Great games. Thanks for the content.
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X points might be the most purest form of 94/94 unless you wanna play against swe power decks :)
I would love to play this format if only I could afford the cards. Any leagues that allow most/all proxies?
Just how good is Mishra's Factory? I see it a lot here and also in your playthrough but it's not really a card I've heard talked about until fairly recently
It's amazing, but it's also highly tactical. As soon as you animate it, it becomes very vulnerable and it can also mess up your mana base.
It’s a symptom of the stifled meta. In actual 1994 tournament Magic, a certain deck came out in LA, a deck engine that made for fast decks that almost always creatureless or few creatures. In the modern version of old school, this deck has not been discovered yet so slow cards like Mishra’s Factory to find some effectiveness, when it’s a niche card. It’s somewhat similar to Limited play (like sealed deck). Cards not viable in Constructed become basic building block cards in limited…for example, 2/2 bears. 2/2 vanilla creatures for two mana are solid cards for your 40 card sealed deck but too weak for 60 card Standard deck.
I don’t play with mishras factory because everyone else does. I get tired of looking at it. The card is good. Last tournament I played at, nerfed it. If you tapped it to pump itself, it would not deal combat damage. Worked out famously in my opinion.
@@_Dain_Bramage It has a place in control (blue white, red white, etc.) but after that, there are always better cards.
It's one of the best creatures in old school. It's an auto include with 4 in almost every deck. It's also an auto include in X points. I think it should be nurfed (such as tapped creatures deal no combat damage), banned, restricted, or worth more than 1 point in X points.
that looked like a bolt in hand at the end of game 2. if so, he could have turned it into a tie
That's how you play side deck.
Now let's' see the decks of his his opponents
I built these 2 decks in the R40 Format to play when friends come over and it's so unbalanced. RG aggro has like a 90% win rate.
Bolt is unc right? Or restricted in R40?
@@TimmytheSorcerer Bolt is uncommon in R40. So counterburn can only play 3 and needs lots of fireballs. Maybe I should try efreet though. That could even things out. And take out channel in RG Aggro just to get some balanced games.
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You too Savannah 🙌
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Is there a ban of Fastbond? I swear that card is so underrated 😒
There’s a land deck out there that plays fastbond, but that deck doesn’t see much play. How would you use fastbond in OS?
@@TimmytheSorcerer That's a pretty good question, I imagine you got to be quick with Fastbond, or you could get smoked early. My first thought goes to the Urza Lands, with the mana they produce, it can get you ahead early; or in a G/B Nightmare deck, Where Nightmare gets powered up from a field of Swamps, or hit them with a Drain Life! Land Tax could help get the lands into your hand, but the real challenge is getting cards into your hand without using a brain geyser.
Land-based decks are my speciality, I'm going to try for an OS Fastbond deck!
Ooof that last game
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at 23:55 it's hard to tell but it looks like the bolt was played before he had tapped to pump, in which case he could have double pumped the one that got bolted. However, it is possible they were talking to each other and he announced he was going to pump it. Oldschool players are usually good at giving the benefit of the doubt, but just gotta be careful!
Online is always tricky :)
Great finals! Always a plus when it goes the full 3 rounds🍻
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Formats without Manaburn should see a Restriction of Su-Chi. 4 4 colorless with an optionally positive ability on death for 4 colorless mana is just insanely overpowered.
This format plays with mana burn. I personally have no problems with the Su-Chi at all, lots of cheap and easy answers 👌
I think most formats use manaburn anyway, though I agree it kind of goes against the intended design of Su-Chi and a few other cards (power surge for example). However, even without manaburn there's so much artifact hate available that it isn't a huge deal... That being said I always play with manaburn if I can lol
Mana burn is a necessity for clean living and mental health 👍🏻 👌🏿 💯
I think mana burn is 100% necessary for old school. The mechanic is interesting, flavorful, part of the original rules, and without it a bunch of old school cards just get warped, like Su-Chi, Mana Drain, and Power Surge.
It's my personal opinion that any 93/94 format, even up to premodern, should have mana burn.
Great video! Love X-Points!
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