Hey, Caleb. I want to tell you that you’ve helped change my life. This video was randomly recommended to me at the beginning of this year, which has led to me to start my reselling journey. I’ve made enough sales to build the confidence in starting my own business, so thank you. I just shipped my first quick flips batch today (don’t ding me too hard on my potential defects).
We’ve replaced the filter maybe 5 times total, and we’ve ran tens of thousands of discs over the time we’ve had it. Definitely don’t need to replace it unless it has a hole or rip. Just wash it when you wash out the pitcher. We also use some rubber cement on the GameCube adapter to hold the discs. Forget those little circular stickers, they suck anyway lol
Good review! We use 2 of these at work to clean/polish discs before selling them too, and on average go through about 300-500 discs a day, so about 200 per machine. The machines have been there for at years at this point and only have had to have a few minor repairs (springs breaking, etc.) aside from the regular cleaning. One recommendation that I learned after using them for a while: Try discs on Clean/Polish before going to Very Light for the settings and see what works for what levels of scratches. We were wasting a lot of time and supplies running things on Very Light and Light before realizing most discs only needed Clean/Polish to get them back in nice shape.
I bought a VMI Hybrid 2.0 disc buffer for myself after my work got one for each branch of our library. The "trashed" games its brought back to life have more then paid it off!
For what it's worth you can repair GameCube discs in this, it's just a bit fiddly. You simply start a job with a regular CD/DVd, but once it's loaded onto the platen (you'll see a little white arrow appear on the screen underneath the pad setting you're on) you pause the job and load in the GameCube disc (in adaptor). The results are great but having to babysit the machine isn't. Took one of my staff members almost two hours to get through a dozen discs this way.
Why? You can use without any problems the GameCube adaptor and start a normal CD/DVD repair. There is no extra work you have do to. If you have 10 adaptors you can put all 10 and they will be done like normal DVDs. The only problem is that you have to stick the discs with any other double faced tape because the original ones quickly no longer stick and over time the adapters become rounded and sanded down on the outer edge. But you can lower the sanding pressure for GameCube Discs.
@@brainbug803 It might be because of the age of our machine, but the vacuum pressure isn't strong enough to pick up a GameCube disc in the adapter. It drops them before the arms can grab.
Consider reusing the pads after the recommended 50 cycles. I currently run autosmarts and these pads will typically last 3x-4x that cycle. Once the discs start showing swirls from repair is when it’s time to replace. Also that solution d is 🚮. Been running regular tap water only for years with same results. Hope this helps anyone :)
I second this, idk where they got 50 from, sometimes I’ll neglect ordering a pad and will use it for way more than 50 cycles and the cd will still come out looking great
@@kenl2367 false. I’ve had my unit for about 5 years with no issues. These machines are workhorses. A slightly more worn pad isn’t bricking a machine. It’s literally what they’re designed for.
@@RazzleDazL you can cheap out now on replacing the pads or not using distilled water. Eventually the damages will acumulate and the machine will be bricked. They're well made but not abuse proof.
My experience with the pads is: Black Pad: 500+ (standard 250) Yellow Pad: 45-75 Green Pad: 50-75 Red Pad: 50-75 Swirl marks happen and don't look great, so once they appear I switch pads one by one until it looks good. I toss the yellow, green, and red pads when done. I have tried cleaning them with water and dish detergent but once the grit is gone they basically just ineffectively sand discs. The yellow pad is the most important one to not get greedy with as it is the final prep before polish (black pad). Using water instead of solution seems odd to me but to be honest, I don't really know what solution D does. I do know that when using the yellow pad (DVD/CD) there is much more water used. When using the black pad there is more polish used.
@@ronu7313 I’m not sure on their next one but you can buy them online. You have to call them to set it up for the trade show pricing. Online still shows $22,000.
I got 4 Autosmarts all stacked up side by side all though Eco master is hands free. I can do around 300 discs by the time my Eco master finishes one cycle. I rather just pick one day and grind on discs rather than do 50 at a time. Just preference I guess idk I also hate taking 50 out of all there cases then when it’s finished have to match each disc with its case. I really want the Eco super does 250 discs per batch but that’s like 100k lol
If you buy it new Is it even worth the time, effort, and money to resurface disks? I mean 22k plus maintenance and supplies for it, at that point when do you start making profit?
Problem is, you still won’t get a game anywhere near that cheap. On eBay for scratched discs they are still going for 70% price charting on auction in a lot. Lol
$3.50 - $6 is crazy expensive for 1 sanding pad normally a pack of 10 costs that much sometimes even packs of 50 if you catch a sale. Will one of these fix a disc that you took a lets say a razer blade too? I mean as long as the top doesn't get damaged right?
Sure, you can use it over night. But if an error occurs, for whatever reason, the device stops exactly where it is. If at this moment the pump is running to lift a CD, that is rather bad for the lifetime. I monitor it with a camera and use Alexa to turn off the power from home if necessary. Mine is one room away, both doors closed, so I can't hear it at work. In the same room its realy stressful and loud. When I've bigger customer orders, I try to process them as quickly as possible, then it also runs at night. The risk of something not working is not high.
@@brainbug803 Till one of 2 disc stuck together falls into chains and lifter get stuck and the motor could burn, one time it happens and you'll never leave it unattended
I have an Autosmart. I have considered getting a Master and may in the future. I assume a batch of 50 would have to be in the same tier of repair settings? (Example: 50 discs on setting 2 or setting 4). The reason I ask is because setting 4 on the Autosmart does sand more of the discs down so being able to to choose on a per disc basis is quite useful.
You can set a batch to run at different tiers, ie. 20 at light, 10 medium, 5 heavy, etc. Personally, I’ve never done it and find it easier to just run batches of similar quality discs.
im keeping it retro with my disc go devil...can easily do 100 discs a day and have had that machine for maybe 8 years. motor and pump still running strong with only minor parts occasionally needing replacement
Yellow pad + gamecube game attachment. Setting 1: Polish = fill in some scratches and beautify the disc. Setting 2: Sanding = Does a good job on the majority of discs and has a low risk of ruining them Setting 3: Sanding = Does a great job cosmetically but might ruin the disc. In most cases it's fine. Setting 4: Sanding = Makes nearly any disc mint but will brick some of them. Not recommended.
I work for a Large auto manufacture in the paint shop our supplies are pretty similar, we pay about the same prices and we buy in bulk, polish pads by the thousands. we figured out during covid there is only a couple manufactures, all were in China. Brands just send them different specs. the manufactures basically have a monopoly.
They charged me $36 usd to ship some polish pads to canada. Then import charge my $16 polish pads cost me over $100 fricken dollars lol love my eco pro 2
A simple solution to doing multiple GameCube game discs on the Master is to have multiple GameCube disc adapters. This was referenced directly from Jack Weaver and he was directly informed by Brad (the largest video game seller in the country).
How much distilled water do you go through on the autosmart? I think it might be faster if you bought 2 more autosmart bc some disc need to go through the machine more than once and with the master. You cant quality control as well. Plus you can do 3 gc disc at once
Master - con u have to buy 50x gamecube disc adapter or however many u wanna run in a single go I only know of 1 person who has the step up from the master. THE SUPER. But is the older gen model they wont sell anyone even fellow game sellers doing 30mil+ thats still to small for them to sell lol
I have been happy with and had good results from my JFJ Easy pro. not as fancy as the eco however it is signicicantly cheaper for the device itself. Tha being said if I had the funds I would get one of the ecos however for me its just not cost effective at the moment.
Cant you make the gamecube adapter in a 3d printer?. Even make a different "shape" so the vacuum thing can work. And why not try to find some fabric that looks and feels like the coffee filters?. Also, the solution cant be some magic stuff. Maybe its something that is sold by other manufactures and cheaper.
All you need is a steam press for CIB box N64 etc double jump videos has videos on the steam press fixing cardboard. I think the video is called cardboard is expensive.
If I remember correctly Chase was the first to upgrade to the 50 discs version and in his videos he have only good things to say, of course the same issues as you describes about costs! I remember his problem with GC was the costs of 50 pcs. Disc ‘holder’ for GC Discs…. The price you mention in the video will have an extra $800 cost! An extra 10% increase in price! If you can find them cheaper if buying 50 and maybe you don’t need to make 50 pcs of GC at a time! I remember chase ddi after his 50000 discs purchase a couple of years back! Rick bought the same model when he took over the shop, I guess his guys can help you with som of the troubleshooting, I don’t think Rick is of much help there, being a technical maroon in many fields! I guess you already spoken to them tho! If I remember correctly chase kept the single disc version too….
this video screams, yes this machine is good but i don't no if am happy with it, its save him time but then go on about all the costs with it, a lot more maintenance on it and you have only had it for 2 months and your already having to call support tells me, its not the best even if you got it refurb it should be a year before anything should be happing with it, i would stay with the auto smart, it may take longer but for me i would just sit there with it next to me and watch tv and no I've not just spent 10k on a machine i may not use all the time.
it's time for a haircut, my boy. I'm not sure why no one is telling you. It's too long on the sides, and you also need to trim up the beard a bit, not gonna lie.
Lets be real here, this aint a psa on why you should or should not buy this thing. Its only him trying to flex on us with a stupid machine nobody needs beside him lol
I sell 20 games a year. I think I'll buy 3 units.
real businessman
Plan to succeed or plan to fail is my motto
your a wealthy guy lol
@@s0lsh1n that’s a horrible idea……… you will need at least 4 of them
Hey, Caleb. I want to tell you that you’ve helped change my life. This video was randomly recommended to me at the beginning of this year, which has led to me to start my reselling journey. I’ve made enough sales to build the confidence in starting my own business, so thank you. I just shipped my first quick flips batch today (don’t ding me too hard on my potential defects).
We’ve replaced the filter maybe 5 times total, and we’ve ran tens of thousands of discs over the time we’ve had it. Definitely don’t need to replace it unless it has a hole or rip. Just wash it when you wash out the pitcher.
We also use some rubber cement on the GameCube adapter to hold the discs. Forget those little circular stickers, they suck anyway lol
Great tips!
@@renixpesale I will try rubber cement... Is worth a try. I use always less strong double-sided tape to fix them.
Good review!
We use 2 of these at work to clean/polish discs before selling them too, and on average go through about 300-500 discs a day, so about 200 per machine. The machines have been there for at years at this point and only have had to have a few minor repairs (springs breaking, etc.) aside from the regular cleaning. One recommendation that I learned after using them for a while: Try discs on Clean/Polish before going to Very Light for the settings and see what works for what levels of scratches. We were wasting a lot of time and supplies running things on Very Light and Light before realizing most discs only needed Clean/Polish to get them back in nice shape.
I do this for years and most discs do require heavy passes, extremely rare clean/polish will do
“Can use this machine in a library no problem”
*one second later* Machine sounds like it’s at war with a terminator 😂
Yea either he has really good microphones or that thing is annoyingly loud. I couldn’t work with it buzzing like that all day lol
I bought a VMI Hybrid 2.0 disc buffer for myself after my work got one for each branch of our library. The "trashed" games its brought back to life have more then paid it off!
For what it's worth you can repair GameCube discs in this, it's just a bit fiddly.
You simply start a job with a regular CD/DVd, but once it's loaded onto the platen (you'll see a little white arrow appear on the screen underneath the pad setting you're on) you pause the job and load in the GameCube disc (in adaptor).
The results are great but having to babysit the machine isn't. Took one of my staff members almost two hours to get through a dozen discs this way.
Why? You can use without any problems the GameCube adaptor and start a normal CD/DVD repair. There is no extra work you have do to. If you have 10 adaptors you can put all 10 and they will be done like normal DVDs. The only problem is that you have to stick the discs with any other double faced tape because the original ones quickly no longer stick and over time the adapters become rounded and sanded down on the outer edge.
But you can lower the sanding pressure for GameCube Discs.
@@brainbug803 It might be because of the age of our machine, but the vacuum pressure isn't strong enough to pick up a GameCube disc in the adapter. It drops them before the arms can grab.
I’m going to have to make it a daily routine to check their website for the refurbished ones 😂
Best review of the ELM products I’ve seen to date. Thanks for posting this. Cheers!
Consider reusing the pads after the recommended 50 cycles. I currently run autosmarts and these pads will typically last 3x-4x that cycle. Once the discs start showing swirls from repair is when it’s time to replace. Also that solution d is 🚮. Been running regular tap water only for years with same results. Hope this helps anyone :)
I second this, idk where they got 50 from, sometimes I’ll neglect ordering a pad and will use it for way more than 50 cycles and the cd will still come out looking great
You will brick your machine faster if you use the pads 3x the recommended
@@kenl2367 false. I’ve had my unit for about 5 years with no issues. These machines are workhorses. A slightly more worn pad isn’t bricking a machine. It’s literally what they’re designed for.
@@RazzleDazL you can cheap out now on replacing the pads or not using distilled water. Eventually the damages will acumulate and the machine will be bricked. They're well made but not abuse proof.
My experience with the pads is:
Black Pad: 500+ (standard 250)
Yellow Pad: 45-75
Green Pad: 50-75
Red Pad: 50-75
Swirl marks happen and don't look great, so once they appear I switch pads one by one until it looks good. I toss the yellow, green, and red pads when done. I have tried cleaning them with water and dish detergent but once the grit is gone they basically just ineffectively sand discs. The yellow pad is the most important one to not get greedy with as it is the final prep before polish (black pad). Using water instead of solution seems odd to me but to be honest, I don't really know what solution D does. I do know that when using the yellow pad (DVD/CD) there is much more water used. When using the black pad there is more polish used.
@renixpesale --- Does resurfacing make them play better?
Do "refurbishing" machines exist or just resurfacing?
Loving the second channel, keep it up man.
Another day in the life of the business
We run 100+ disc a day in our pros I got about 10k disc to run still
I remember those things being in video rental stores and music stores back in the day
man, i hope they gave you a deal on the device given your honest and thorough review of their product.
Right now since they are having trade shows you can literally buy a new one for only $14,000. Mine will be delivered soon.
Where are the trade shows? maybe that is why it will take months for a refurbish
@@ronu7313 I’m not sure on their next one but you can buy them online. You have to call them to set it up for the trade show pricing. Online still shows $22,000.
@@ronu7313 mine is a 3-4 week wait for a new one.
Before I'd pay 22k I'd buff them by hand.
I got 4 Autosmarts all stacked up side by side all though Eco master is hands free. I can do around 300 discs by the time my Eco master finishes one cycle. I rather just pick one day and grind on discs rather than do 50 at a time. Just preference I guess idk I also hate taking 50 out of all there cases then when it’s finished have to match each disc with its case. I really want the Eco super does 250 discs per batch but that’s like 100k lol
Agreed. Master is a solid unit but I currently run 2 autosmarts & enjoy the speed it brings
If you buy it new Is it even worth the time, effort, and money to resurface disks? I mean 22k plus maintenance and supplies for it, at that point when do you start making profit?
Bro does million of dollars i mean you have to be kind of a bigger seller
Would like to see the results / profits of using this machine. Like buying broken GameCube title for 10$ and then selling it resurfaced for 100+$
Problem is, you still won’t get a game anywhere near that cheap. On eBay for scratched discs they are still going for 70% price charting on auction in a lot. Lol
This could be a cool video!!!
$3.50 - $6 is crazy expensive for 1 sanding pad normally a pack of 10 costs that much sometimes even packs of 50 if you catch a sale. Will one of these fix a disc that you took a lets say a razer blade too? I mean as long as the top doesn't get damaged right?
Do you ever run the 50 disc one overnight? That way 50 discs are ready at the start of each day and you don't have to endure the noise.
I have an ECO Master, and I usually will scout out 50 games to run overnight in addition to running it during the day.
Sure, you can use it over night. But if an error occurs, for whatever reason, the device stops exactly where it is. If at this moment the pump is running to lift a CD, that is rather bad for the lifetime. I monitor it with a camera and use Alexa to turn off the power from home if necessary.
Mine is one room away, both doors closed, so I can't hear it at work. In the same room its realy stressful and loud.
When I've bigger customer orders, I try to process them as quickly as possible, then it also runs at night. The risk of something not working is not high.
@@brainbug803 Till one of 2 disc stuck together falls into chains and lifter get stuck and the motor could burn, one time it happens and you'll never leave it unattended
You mention the supply costs, but what does that break down to per disc?
I have an Autosmart. I have considered getting a Master and may in the future. I assume a batch of 50 would have to be in the same tier of repair settings? (Example: 50 discs on setting 2 or setting 4). The reason I ask is because setting 4 on the Autosmart does sand more of the discs down so being able to to choose on a per disc basis is quite useful.
You can set a batch to run at different tiers, ie. 20 at light, 10 medium, 5 heavy, etc. Personally, I’ve never done it and find it easier to just run batches of similar quality discs.
Ah that's interesting. Thank you!@@philscreengames
the device is good = clean discs ✌
can we get a before and after of some discs?
Here is a picture from my work
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im keeping it retro with my disc go devil...can easily do 100 discs a day and have had that machine for maybe 8 years. motor and pump still running strong with only minor parts occasionally needing replacement
What setting on the ECO autosmart is best for gamecube games? I know gamecube and dreamcast have sensitive data and high failure ratess. Nice video!
Yellow pad + gamecube game attachment.
Setting 1: Polish = fill in some scratches and beautify the disc.
Setting 2: Sanding = Does a good job on the majority of discs and has a low risk of ruining them
Setting 3: Sanding = Does a great job cosmetically but might ruin the disc. In most cases it's fine.
Setting 4: Sanding = Makes nearly any disc mint but will brick some of them. Not recommended.
@@p0ck3tp3ar Thank you!
I work for a Large auto manufacture in the paint shop our supplies are pretty similar, we pay about the same prices and we buy in bulk, polish pads by the thousands. we figured out during covid there is only a couple manufactures, all were in China. Brands just send them different specs. the manufactures basically have a monopoly.
They charged me $36 usd to ship some polish pads to canada. Then import charge my $16 polish pads cost me over $100 fricken dollars lol love my eco pro 2
That's why I only do bulk orders. I spend about $1000 every 2 years as a pretty heavy user. I hate their crazy high shipping costs.
Many people, like me, use Meguiars brand auto polish instead of the jfj branded stuff. Look it up, it’ll save you a ton.
A simple solution to doing multiple GameCube game discs on the Master is to have multiple GameCube disc adapters. This was referenced directly from Jack Weaver and he was directly informed by Brad (the largest video game seller in the country).
We have 5, no luck
@@renixpesale You mean can't stack? one adaptor at time
It's essentially like having another employee, what would you pay someone for a few hours work or as you described, what is your time worth.
Could you build some sort of box around the unit with a door and some foam padding to mitigate the noise?
If I paid you,could you resurface my game discs?
Why am I watching this I sell a couple of cartridge games every year
Dude did anyone notice or can agree that Retro Rick & Caleb are on MeatCanyons last animated video!!?
Retro Ron & Griffin Resale lmfao dude you gotta capitalize on that 💪😂
Can’t believe the amount they want for that!
LOL $100, no pallet would ever ship even if you are next block from the company
YETI Caleb, should be a t-shirt once you get to that point of your youtube career.
Its insane they charge timing cards for a fking machine that is 10k plus
Jfj easy pro is king
How much distilled water do you go through on the autosmart? I think it might be faster if you bought 2 more autosmart bc some disc need to go through the machine more than once and with the master. You cant quality control as well. Plus you can do 3 gc disc at once
I own the single disc echo pro 2 for three years.
Master - con u have to buy 50x gamecube disc adapter or however many u wanna run in a single go
I only know of 1 person who has the step up from the master. THE SUPER. But is the older gen model they wont sell anyone even fellow game sellers doing 30mil+ thats still to small for them to sell lol
Never gonna resell. Don't even buy physical. Still a really interesting video. Great content.
Should have named the video “Spanky reviews”
22 grand, no way in hell is that machine worth buying for that much. That is ridiculous.
Absolutely is for some businesses. I would assume most people take advantage of some sort of sale or discount though.
How does this mean do it!
I would love to know a place I can go and run my games through these professional machines
no gamecube = no go
I have been happy with and had good results from my JFJ Easy pro. not as fancy as the eco however it is signicicantly cheaper for the device itself.
Tha being said if I had the funds I would get one of the ecos however for me its just not cost effective at the moment.
Cant you make the gamecube adapter in a 3d printer?. Even make a different "shape" so the vacuum thing can work.
And why not try to find some fabric that looks and feels like the coffee filters?.
Also, the solution cant be some magic stuff. Maybe its something that is sold by other manufactures and cheaper.
What was the first buffing machine you owned?
All you need is a steam press for CIB box N64 etc double jump videos has videos on the steam press fixing cardboard. I think the video is called cardboard is expensive.
If I remember correctly Chase was the first to upgrade to the 50 discs version and in his videos he have only good things to say, of course the same issues as you describes about costs! I remember his problem with GC was the costs of 50 pcs. Disc ‘holder’ for GC Discs…. The price you mention in the video will have an extra $800 cost! An extra 10% increase in price! If you can find them cheaper if buying 50 and maybe you don’t need to make 50 pcs of GC at a time! I remember chase ddi after his 50000 discs purchase a couple of years back!
Rick bought the same model when he took over the shop, I guess his guys can help you with som of the troubleshooting, I don’t think Rick is of much help there, being a technical maroon in many fields!
I guess you already spoken to them tho! If I remember correctly chase kept the single disc version too….
Why don’t you just rub Toothpaste or peanut butter on your discs to remove scratches ? Does anyone else remember those insane fake videos on RUclips?
Caleb went to his stylist before the video and said, "just give me the high school drama coach"
That noise is fucking brutal. I had to turn the video off lol
Right?! I didn’t know it was soo loud. That library promo is a lie.
Expensive but worth it.
more worth it years ago but i dont think nowdays
Not even close.
I THOUGHT HIS NAME WAS SPANKY 😆
it is not worth it nowdays maybe years ago it would of been.
this video screams, yes this machine is good but i don't no if am happy with it, its save him time but then go on about all the costs with it, a lot more maintenance on it and you have only had it for 2 months and your already having to call support tells me, its not the best even if you got it refurb it should be a year before anything should be happing with it,
i would stay with the auto smart, it may take longer but for me i would just sit there with it next to me and watch tv and no I've not just spent 10k on a machine i may not use all the time.
You should change this channel name to phoenix whiteboard! lol
= Caleb got it free for review.
Watch the video before you whine lol
For $22,000 or even refurb price…it better do GameCube games and with very little effort. Seems like a terrible design to handle GameCube games.
Wow. 90% of us really don't care. Merry Christmas everybody
Why open the video then?
it's time for a haircut, my boy. I'm not sure why no one is telling you. It's too long on the sides, and you also need to trim up the beard a bit, not gonna lie.
it is NOT that serious💀💀 let him do what he wants
This is a weird ass comment my boy, not gonna lie. I'm not sure why you thought this was necessary to post.
Its time for a reality check, my boy. I'm not sure why no one is telling you. Being a cunt to content creators is a toxic thing to do, not gonna lie
OMG THAT'S A ANNOYING SOUND
1sttt❤
Hair troll
Lets be real here, this aint a psa on why you should or should not buy this thing. Its only him trying to flex on us with a stupid machine nobody needs beside him lol
I disagree. It's a really useful and much needed video. I found it very helpful as I have been considering buying one.
Glad you enjoyed Pocket!
Always do!@@renixpesale
I want a review of your desk chair....I need a comfortable chair. lol
It’s the Staples Hyken, I think it’s the best office chair for the money. Super comfy and fairly affordable.
@@renixpesale thanks!
Shits overpriced af
🥱 lol 👎👎👎👎👎