This Ubuntu Flavor Has Been Impersonated For 8 Years
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- The Lubuntu Ubuntu Flavour has been around for a very long time now and during that time some weird things have happened. Whilst lubuntu.me is the main site today, there is another site that lubuntu.net and the reason behind why it's still around is really weird.
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a good 50% of linux drama sounds like grandmas feuding
This has nothing to do with the kernel.
It is on brand for a bastard child of Debian though.
Welcome to the FOSS world 😂
@@nobodyimportant7804 Bro is the type to say "ummm ackshually, it's gnu + linux."
@@flickeringscreens eww no
You are so many levels of wrong you should be embarrassed.
If you don't understand the difference between Linux and a Linux distro you shouldn't be thinking that you have an opinion worth listening to.
I remember reading some forum posts about lilo vs grub, on some ancient slackware forum, from the jurassic era of the internet.
It was indeed stupid.
Of one thing I am certain, the only clear winners in all of this will be lawyers.
The other winner is the international institutions that want to override national, democratic law, who can use this kind of dispute as pretense for further eroding national sovereignty and establishing global authoritarianism. What better way than to prop up authority over information globally, than by "serving" a powerful entity in the FOSS community. It's _great_ optics and pretense.
IP law shouldn't cross borders. No law should cross borders. IP law shouldn't exist, but as long as it does, it shouldn't cross borders, because any law that crosses borders allows bureaucrats and business interests that have no accountability to you, and do not represent you, to exert power over you.
It would be better for everyone the planet over if "copyright holders" and other believers in intellectual property law simply accepted that intellectual property law is terrible for everyone but corporate, multinational institutions, and learned to live without the ability to monopolize information... But people are ideological and unwilling to listen to reason, so we're probably going to have to flirt with global totalitarianism in the form of unaccountable tribunals and international kangaroo courts before people learn their lesson.
I'm willing to bet that whatever ruling comes down on this will ultimately be in cannonical's favor, given they're much larger and have more money, and it will include the words "safety" and "security." It will be forgotten by most people in a day's time, and will barely matter to normal tech users. ...But it will set precedent and functionally be another brick in the road to hell.
The other winner is the international institutions that want to override national, democratic law, who can use this kind of dispute as pretense for further eroding national sovereignty and establishing global authoritarianism. What better way than to prop up authority over information globally, than by "serving" a powerful entity in the FOSS community. It's _great_ optics and pretense.
and brodie
I don't understand why FOSSASIA has chosen to die on this hill. Why are they even doing this?
Sometimes people just choose to be annoying for the sake of being annoying. And, in FOSS world, it happens more often than elsewhere
@@user-xr3rb6pn9m true
They're either running a scam, or that Mario guy is salty about something so he holds a grudge. My bet is that FOSSASIA is a scam organisation.
@@porterhouse937I think it's more of the case of a grudge since fossasia seems to be fine with other stuff
@caseyMegginson - My bet is that they're waiting to be bought out.
The part of this story that I'm missing and was waiting for you unravel is why FOSSASIA/Mario are so keen on holding onto the Lubuntu brand identity. What's their end game?
Basically to be assholes it seems
I think there's some monetary value in a SEO optimized domain name, I don't know if money was ever on the table and I think it would be scummy to demand money for it, but that's the only semi-reasonable reason to care about it all.
Otherwise it's just to be malicious and is an intentional security risk that could be used to serve malware in the future.
Either way I don't see it as a good thing, but if they purchased the domain it is their domain, not having an agreement with what would happen with it in the future is a mistake.
Probably for values. If you registered a website in 2000 and a scummy company in 2023 decided that they want your website domain name, they won't be able to take it from you just because they have more money than you.
They'd have to buy the domain from you if they want it, because you own that domain even if their company name or trademark now matches it.
TL;DR: lubuntu net is Mario's property, regardless of if a trademark or company name pulled from someone's ass in the future says otherwise.
We can only guess but I imagine he didn't just leave the project because he wanted to, there was probably some drama when it became an official flavour
that's why I don't trust search engines anymore. to get an official website, I usually check Wikipedia.
Lmao I do the same
I can't understand what FOSSAsia actually gets from owning this domain... It's so bizarre. Is it just cussedness and the pleasure of being a thorn in Lubuntu's side or is there actually some gain in running this website that they don't seem to actually care enough about to keep updated?
Nothing. Mario is just an asshole.
this is obviously something personal between Mario and some of the project maintainers. Childish
Maybe they're scamming donors to this organization and are using lubuntu to show to their donors?
This whole thing smells to me like some bad vibes between Mario and Lubuntu. First and most obvious clue is that he left the project, but didn't leave them the domain and website. He held it hostage. So, there's no 'point' in any of this, is just about overall bad energy. No idea what went on behind the scenes.
They made Lubuntu originally are we high? They have the right to the domain because they were the original Lubuntu developers….
canonical should make old iso URLs redirect to a special warning page
pretty good idea actually
or better yet, a rickroll
@@Leopold-stuff We're no strangers to love
@@markusTegelaneYou know the rules, and so do I
I love this idea. There should be no reason why they would need to serve any relevant information on that site anyways since they want a clean break from Canonical.
"the panel finds that ..."
- warwick A Rothnie (the only person in the panel)
i like how that person makes it sound like some group of people looked into it and concluded something, but it was actually just the opinion of on person.
Government all the time
What an idiotic situation.
Is it bad that I IMMEDIATELY guessed this was about Lubuntu by the video title alone?
Same tbh
I mean it's in the thumbnail
ye go touch grass ma dude, ya body needs vitamin D
It's a story that you're bound to come across if you've been in this space a while but a lot of people still don't know
@@BrodieRobertson me for example, also Mii Beta on Tech Over Tea when? maybe he'll just interview himself using a Brodie AI replacement lol
Never underestimate the pettiness of people in open source lmao
Never a boring day on the Linux community
FOSSASIA sucks and in my opinion is clearly is doing this to be an asshole. Screw them, and I have never even used or looked at Lubuntu.
You know FOSSASIA?
Don't conflate the two issues.
Mario, and by extension FOSSASIA, is being ridiculous and acting in bad faith.
Lubuntu is a fine project.
@@Liriq it was fine but canonical ruined ubuntu with their snap policy, so fuck canonical tbh
@@Liriq no, canonical is being ridiculous and acting in bad faith. They've always been a bunch of gangsters, none of their projects have worked out because they grind for 2 years and then try for another batch of google summer of code students. Mario and RedWolf were driven out by tsimonq2 before he turned 18. As well as many others. This is just them trying to sweep up the mess.
he was deffo hoping that they'd pay him big bucks for the domain.
nah, it's just a snub at tsimonq2 for his snatch and grab
I didn't know that they have linuxnovellas on TV now... 🍿
Lubuntume sounds awfully similar to lobotomy. Maybe not the best choice of TLD.
I love getting lubumtumes
You'd think they would pick their battles and rename the project. Everyone knows that Mario always wins in the end, right? Do they really want to become Bowser?
Rename to what, though? LXDEbuntu doesn't really roll off the tongue like Lubuntu does.
@@FKLinguista
It's based on LXQT now. But any QT based name might collide with Kubuntu.
@@FKLinguista So what comes after Lubuntu? Mubuntu! Can have a cow as a mascot! lol.
@@FKLinguista "Litebuntu"?
Either the Lubuntu project had severely lacking terms and conditions for contributing to and maintaining Lubuntu or Mario should have handed over management of the domain back to the Lubuntu project once they officially left (or got kicked off of) the project. Something as simple as the following contribution agreement could have prevented this saga:
"Any maintainer may use the name Lubuntu in relation to the Lubuntu project so long as they are an active maintainer. Once they decide to stop active maintenance of the project or are removed as active maintainer by other members/maintainers of the project, then any products, entities or other assets using the Lubuntu name should be handed over to the Lubuntu project or should stop using the Lubuntu name from that point on (with a certain grace period)."
I'm not a lawyer, so this could probably be written in better legalese, but this would have at least been a start.
It depends on which country Mario lives in. A lot of them don't allow those kinds of ownership transfers and the best they might offer is an indefinite use license.
They started out as a small project. No small open source project thinks about stuff like this.
It's completely normal that some single person holds the keys/passwords for most of the infrastructure.
Canonical could/should have thought about this when they took over this project in 2011 tho.
@@taukakao Yea, unlike the oss licences. Maybe Github should add the option to add a trademark licence on repo creation as well.
@@rikschaaf
Getting and owning a trademark is really expensive, I doubt any small project will pay for that.
@@taukakao That's only for registered trademarks. Both the USA and Singapore are first-to-use countries that give some trademark protection for unregistered trademarks. Fossasia is registered in Singapore. To be fair though, there's also a lot of countries that are first-to-file, like a lot of Europe and South America. About 3/5 of countries are first-to-file, from what I found.
My guess is that the UN looked at Canonical, a for profit company, then looked at FOSSASIA, which isn’t, and automatically assumed that the big company was bullying the smaller one .
So let me get this straight. This Mario guy left the project, decided not to transfer the domain to the project BUT also REFUSES to take down the discontinued website with out of date distro and like a petulent child refuses to work together with the actual maintainers so that both the maintainers and potential users have a harder time with the distro and insists on keeping the defunct distro site up so that people could accidentaly download an out of date system with unpatched security issues and unsupported software? Why is he making me take Canonicals side? Is he evil?
Because he hates Canonical and rightfully so.
@@jebril
Sounds like cope to me. It seems like he had personal beef with the new maintainers mostly.
Like, I'd be charitable if there was a fork going on, like if he did his own version of Lubuntu in some form, but he pretty certainly doesn't.
Well they DMCAed his version. Sending a DMCA to github on foked repo is a f-up move. Github has to take it down, so there are bad vibes on both sides.
Canonical have always been a bunch of gangsters, none of their projects have worked out because they grind for 2 years and then try for another batch of google summer of code students. Mario and RedWolf were driven out by tsimonq2 before he turned 18. As well as many others. This is just them trying to sweep up the mess before anyone bothers digging too far into the messy history of free irc archives of lubuntu-dev from 2015-2017 for the keywords "+b" and "kick". All of the initial work and branding efforts were the result of two people working very hard for years, as volunteers.
@@Alias_Anybody He was run out by the POS "maintainer" and Canonical can't even bother pay him for historical maintenance costs or transfer costs, you wouldn't be pissed too? Oh wait I should transfer my private propriety to you... cause? Canonical was not even involved before they used legal again to push Mario out and put POS "maintainer" on instead.
It sounds like it's time for Lubuntu to change its name. I mean I feel they're in the right morally in this situation, but FOSSASIA has them on a technicality. It sucks. but the easier thing to do now would be to change the name. Time for a rebranding.
My non-lawyer opinion is that that's where this is heading.
worst case they could be boring and just be Ubuntu LXQT or something like a Fedora spin, but a fun name would be much cooler
? TrueLubuntu -- pronounce Too Loo Bunt Oo.
Would be epic if they changed the name to
Suebuntu
@@apIthletIcc With Suzy Creamcheese as the mascot.
Not a legal expert, it is indeed both stupid and incredibly petty, though I must say this is a silly yet accurate example of what happens when the letter of the law trumps the spirit of the law.
Cue the Norm Macdonald bit about "everyone involved in this story."
I bet he owns a dog house.
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Is this the letter of the law trumping the spirit of the law? When the ownership transfer happened, lubuntu maintainers didn't request the domain name also be transferred to them, they can't just come back later and force Mario to give it to them.
If you buy a home, and don't specify the washer/dryer come with the purchase, you can't turn around after the sale and demand the sellers give you their washer/dryer
@@weir9996didn't request? U sure? It's clear that Mario has been unwilling to work with the maintainers, and they can't *force* him to give up the domain name, so they very well could have (and probably did) requested the transfer, but they either got no response, or Mario wanted to make it rain.
As a NOT layer i declare: I WANT MORE OF THIS SHIT - it's entertaining
I am not a layer either
I am also not a layer
As an Alpha Channel, I second this statement.
As nit a judge I can't declare this as true.
It feels like a bug in the rules. I kind of get why they would be like this: generally when someone else was using a name first, you don't want some second party coming in and stealing it from them.
It's just in this case it's the name of a thing, and stewardship of the thing itself was transferred.
Maybe Canonical needs to rename their Lubuntu project.
tbf it's not even lightweight anymore. They use lxqt now and it's heavier
@@Redacted384
It's still light (compared to Gnome), but KDE Plasma is already pretty light, so on many machines you could go straight to Kubuntu tbh.
Just why?why? this whole situation is just absurd lmao
this reminds me of one of those
"shut up! my dad works for the UN and he can
he can do absolutely nothing"
See wo signed the letter: Warwick A. Rothnie. Warwick was the sole panelist, as stated right below the name. So the whole statement is just Warwicks personal opinion on this.
While it's not really the same, this reminds me of the case of Uzi Nissan, who fought the car company in court *and won.* Sadly, the 🐐died in 2020 and the landing page has been replaced (presumably his next of kin didn't want the smoke, though it's telling that they didn't hand over the domain).
Aubuntu bubuntu *cubuntu* dubuntu *eubuntu(we have edubuntu)* fubuntu gubuntu hubuntu iubuntu jubunku *kubuntu* *Lubuntu* Mubuntu Nubuntu Oubuntu Pubuntu Qubuntu Rubuntu Subuntu Tubuntu Uubuntu Vubuntu *Wubuntu* *Xubuntu* Yubuntu Zubuntu .
6 projects already exist, still 20 to create 😂 . I have hopes for Gubuntu (the goblin Ubuntu variant) or Rubuntu because Rust (use apps written in rust).
But they haven't "created a new and independent project" - they even linked to the iso on canonical's site. If that's not bad faith, what is?
Yes it's being USED in bad faith
But it must also be REGISTERED in bad faith, for some reason
@@SlawikFoxso does that mean they could just turn it into a pirate site and use that immunity?
@@blisphul8084Yes. A pirate site shouldn't be shot down because someone bought a similar domain later. That would be ridiculous, because we hit the dilemma: is piracy objectively bad? What if they host books that are no longer available?
@@perz1val I meant a pirate buys an old domain and turns it into a pirate site, and now the UN can't do anything because the website wasn't registered with the intention to become a pirate site.
@@blisphul8084 as mentioned in the video, that would count as re-registration; that doesn't apply in this case because Mario is the one who registered it in the first place, and still holds the registration
this reminds me of a video by shounic called how to legally steal that goes into detail on how a WIPO case between the US and Antigua lead to Antigua getting the right to disregard American copyright laws its super interesting
Clearly they need to just select their strongest warriors and settle this thru combat by proxy!
My take is that the UN not understanding a troll and then defending the troll's rights to bully on the basis that...the person trying to stop being bullied was bullying...is very, VERY funny.
Damn... 2016 was 8 years ago.
im old af
Hot take, but I can sympathise with Mario here. It’s still a very asshole thing to do, but I can imagine (from firsthand experience) that he, the original creator of Lubuntu, might not have left the project by free will - and it’s likely somewhat because of canonical. I could understand how your work being taken away from you could lead to spite.
Edit: typo
Same
If Canonical can't seize the domain maybe they can get it blocked in every country they have trademark protection in.
they likely could do that. maybe.
I really hope they aren't successful. The slippery slope isn't something we need right now. Yes, I know we already live in a world where large corporations can defend trademarks they don't actually own, but why are you literally asking for that? Canonical doesn't own Lubuntu as a trademark, obviously. They own Ubuntu. So, if Amazon can just lift the name of a well known piece of software (Rufus) and trademark it for their own usage, and if Medicaid in my state comes through a company called Apple Health that existed way longer than the iPhone, then it would sorta be dirty and unethical if they won the right to steal the domain. Now, if they want to sue the guy I'm all for that, but pretending that it's direct trademark infringement is very unlikely to go well for them, since no trademarks were actually used incorrectly (the issue is that a new name that is not trademarked happens to be extremely similar to one Canonical has).
@@awesomeferret Didn't Canonical acquirer the Lubuntu name when it became an official flavor? I'm sure they would have renamed it if they hadn't. And your theatrical "Apple Health" case is not comparable as it doesn't involve anyone using the domain to host a website people will think is the other party's official site. Also the two companies would be in entirely different industries, I suggest you look into the trademark disputes between Apple Corps and Apple Computer for an idea of how things would go.
I think Canonical should have filed two complaints, the one they did, plus one that claims it infringes Ubuntu (without the L). I think they could prove that the two are too close, especially that Lubuntu IS based on Ubuntu.
I can certainly say, I was one of the user confused by the lubuntu domain name. Funny stuff as always
Dotnet mentioned, let’s go
Love this for Mario, what a scoundrel.
11:00 honestly I do not know how and why the trademark moved between legal entities over the years, but the Lubuntu team should fail under point 2 and 3.
Regarding 2, the original owner does have a legitimate interest in maintaining control of a domain, covering a project that he himself created.
Regarding 3, while it may be being used in bad faith, although it does not seem that way to me, the domain name was most certainly not originally registered in bad faith, as there is this very important "and", that means they should fail to prove that.
And since all three conditions have to apply, this should go nowhere, at least if Paragraph 4(a) is followed to the letter. That may not be just, but it would be the correct interpretation.
Hey, seems I was mostly correct in my assessment. You can argue about whether "letter of the law" is a good or bad but imho decisions have to adhere to the letter of the law, such as they did here, because otherwise there is no reason to write them down in the first place.
Why the heck they use different domains and not just use a subdomain of Ubuntu when it becomes oficial
Honestly a very good question, probably just because thats how they've always done it
@@BrodieRobertsonI mean what you could do would be just to put a C-Name record and link to the subdomain so the people who are used to the old domain would get redirected and you are good to go for the future.
@@elalemanpaisa Technically, aren't all of Ubuntu's DNS names CNAMEs?
Wait, but wouldn't the Ubuntu IP have preexisted the Lubuntu tho? Seems like someone effed up in that case there...
Bruh how hard is it for the original maintainer to put in one line of text into the old website?
I'm sure the Lubuntu people wouldn't want to but I would figure that they'd rename at this point given that the person actually holding the naming rights is just squatting on it and register things properly this time around.
The idea that a new company can just take an existing domain name is horrifying.
Lubuntu lost its way when it adopted a desktop that wasnt as light, or lighter, than some of the older versions of lubuntu.
"What is Lubuntu?
The project’s goal is to provide a lightweight yet functional Linux distribution based on a rock-solid Ubuntu base. Lubuntu provides a simple but modern and powerful graphical user interface, and comes with a wide variety of applications so you can browse, email, chat, play, and be productive. Lubuntu was formerly a distribution for low-end hardware, but we have refocused."
- Lubuntu Manual
"our main focus is shifting from providing a distribution for old hardware to a functional yet modular distribution focused on getting out of the way and letting users use their computer."
- Lubuntu's Simon Quigley
And there lies the mistake. The whole point of using Lubuntu in the first place was to take a very old computer and make it semi usable again for basic tasks like email, web browsing, etc, you know, netbook stuff.
This is why the lubuntu project has lost it's way.
how is lxqt not light
i haven't tried it on lubuntu recently, but atleast on void, ram? 190mb, cpu (with core 2 duo 3ghz) ? at idle basically zero
comparing that with openbox itself (which is what lxqt/lxde use)... 160mb, also basically zero
i've used lxqt on cheap hp prebuilt from 2007 (with the core duo)... worked absolutelly fine
i've even used lubuntu itself (20.04) on cheap acer mini tower prebuilt from 2013... absolutelly fine
haven't tried lubuntu since 20.04, but certainly lxqt(the desktop) is not at fault, lxqt is extremelly light
btw are trying to run it on 486 machines? dude at that point you should just use window manager, if you use such hardware, you have to be knowledgable enough
btw the hp pc was so bad it basically froze when it had to render gif on discord
if your device can't handle lxqt, i'd seriously doubt it can be used for modern web
@@netkv
"our main focus is shifting from providing a distribution for old hardware to a functional yet modular distribution focused on getting out of the way and letting users use their computer."
- Lubuntu's Simon Quigley
Lubuntu was a distro for older hardware now it's just a different desktop environment and one that many would rather not use when you have KDE, XFCE, etc. The main draw for Lubuntu was that it was that distro for old hardware. Abandoning that made Lubuntu not worth installing imo.
@@theexile4694 sure, but that's not because of the desktop, (idk what else lubuntu does on top of stock lxqt tho), lxqt is really really light
if lxde had been updated to gtk3 (or hell 4), that'd way more bloated
I'm interested why Github decided to move forward with the DMCA claim and remove basically the whole repository. My guess (not a lawyer either) is that they found enough evidence that the FOSSASIA project was essentially co-opting the Canonical Lubuntu project that was breaking the license in some way. Surely this must have been evidence enough to WIPO to rule in favor of Canonical to surrender the domain? What are they going to host on the site if they are almost completely disconnected to the Lubuntu project that would even be legal/useful at that point? Bizarre situation, thanks Brodie for bringing this to light.
Most cooperative open source developer
This would be no different than a disgruntled employee at a x and y company, taking trade secrets with him. Or how about that IT admin that sabotaged servers by cutting the ethernet cords lol. People are just weird these days.
Brodie captions are messed up at 6:29 around where you show the IRC chat. Seems like the 6:29 line did not get separated from the next line and both show up until 6:44.
Aside from that I just found it funny that there's still 2 Lubuntu names. I used to have a Lubuntu image on a flash drive years ago for testing PCs and doing file recovery in case of a broken Windows install. I probably stopped using it around 2016 when I tried Zorin, which I also abandoned for Xubuntu as Lubuntu by that point switched to LxQt which had (and probably still has due to its design) theming and UI size problems.
You should probably contact Legal Eagle and make a collaboration on this dispute since it is so ridiculous that it's still a dispute
This has happened before, I think it was Nissan, that was trying to get hold of the nissan com domain, and there was a guy that was using it. It has a wikipedia case Nissan Motors v. Nissan Computer
lol dude I remember this one 😂 I used to send a concept car drawing or two in to car manufacturers and Nissan was one of them (huge Nissan fan) and around the time the R35 concept was first shown, I started to make my own designs for a potential S16 Silvia based on design cues from the R35. So I went to find a contact email to send said drawings, found the other website and let them know lol
Anyways, fast forward a few years and well.. just so happens the Q60 coupe was exactly the design I sent to them. Shoulda had an NDA, but oh well. Nice to see my design irl tho, even if they straight up stole it they did it legally, and I never even asked for credit, in fact I said just make it a reality and that's good enough for me. Just wish they would have called it a NISSAN SILVIA 😢
@@apIthletIcc I strongly doubt anyone even saw your design.
@@sharp14x you can look at the design and you can decide if they look the same, but 🧐 got a response so I don't really care what you doubt so... Js
I really still have the original drawing I sent and the screenshots of the conversation
3:25
user Walter Lapchynski is a great guy. When the online IT community was acting the maggot, he dedicated a lot of his time to helping me figure out a weird problem with an old machine. And then he did it again.
canonical - enemy of humanity
it is ridiculous, bad trdemark chain of control, there is precedent with... ROLLS ROYCE
when Vickers sold RR to Volkswagen, VW seemingly didn't notice they were NOT buying the RR brand for use in making cars
True. BMW got the brand.
I hope we get the court case
At some point when this all started either the Lubuntu team or Canonical must have given FOSSASIA or its current leadership permission to host Lubuntu and use the Lubuntu trademark on its hosting site. This was likely done to keep the most commonly used way to access Lubuntu available and was likely agreed to with the understanding that FOSSASIA would keep the site (particularly the download links) up to date. This last part obviously hasn’t been happening but because of the original agreement they are having a hard time clawing it back. That the only way this “domaine highjacking” could make sense as in that case I could see how the co it may think that is what is happening.
Although I'm not a huge fan of the UN, I'm mostly in agreement with them on this one. If Canonical sued FOSSASIA & Mario before and won, and FOSSASIA & Mario did not comply, you have a stronger case to take to a higher court.
Edit:Mario not Marco... I'm dislexic as hell and names are sorted by first syllable then /dev/random...
we all know cannonical wont stop
Why should they?
I'm surprised there was no mention of their previous president for Ubuntu flavour names like Kububtu and Xububtu, surely that would have at least allowed them to claim the domain was created to mimic those. Still wouldn't have changed the ruling though.
All of this drama for maybe 5 Lubuntu users worldwide.
Lubuntu user here. Who are the other four?
I used to be another one, but I've left back to regular Ubuntu. I guess I don't count on this census.
Just deprecate the Lubuntu name and instead register a new name.
Couldn't Canonical just... Offer to _buy_ the domain?
It's clearly got more traffic than their site. Surely it'd be worth a small sum.
Usually you don't jump from 0 to complaining to an international trademark organisation. This discussion likely happened already but either the number wasn't high enough or Mario didn't want to come to the table
Do members of FOSSASIA make commits into the live repository for Lubuntu? ie: are they active contributors?
Sounds like /someone/ needs the Eagle Team 😉
now I need a refreshing slug-o-cola, and wait that coca-cola fails to prove in court, that slug-o-cola is similar to their trademark.
I'm not a legal expert, i just play one in the comment section.
I had a similar (with other link/malware) case with TorBrowser.
i mean, i love hideus drama is always something i love to hear, so i'm happy this happened. seems the dumbest dispute i've ever seen toh
Thats... Funny.
Anyway, i wonder why fossasia keeps this site looking the same as canonical one. Some old drama?
Did you not watch the video? Mario was the creator of Libuntu but left, started work with FOSSASIA and isn't letting Libuntu have the domain he original registered when starting Libuntu.
They can definitely keep the domain without the lubuntu site itself lol
Some other crap had to have gone down outside of this.
@@tristen_grant
“Libuntu” lul
One thing I'm not sure how they can get away with fragrantly misusing a trademark that now belongs to canonical, that being the logo of the project
Why don't they look at the PURPOSE of registering the domain?
The original purpose of registering the domain was for the project.
The UN is worthless.
"The UN is worthless." - These days, that pretty much goes without saying.
If anything, that proves that Canonical's Lubuntu site was made in bad faith.
But it was registered before Canonical had any involvement or claim to the trademark. The point is that you can't trademark something that already exists and demand ownership of that domain. In this case it lead to a less than ideal outcome but in general it seems to make sense.
The owner is the original founding member of the site, he's the one who came up with the name, thus he has the rights. The UN is correct, there's got to be more undisclosed drama going on behind the scenes though...
Worthless?
Not true.
We finally have a ruling that Canonical is a bad-faith organization.
Sure, this ruling is BS, but so is Canonical.
*sips tea* this drama is like gay circuit drama, but only dumber - i'm fully invested lol.
"we acknowledge this infringes your trademark and it's being used in bad faith but you can't take down the website and also have to stop bullying them" has got to be one of the most ridiculous things i've ever heard
An example of the limitations of "always follow the case-law approach to jurisprudence"
This situation exposed an obvious flaw in the policy and the case-law, hopefully it could be amended in future to plug this loophole. That would probably too late for the lubuntu situation, tho.
LOL my first distribution. I remember this situation. The fake website had better SEO too at the beginning and ranked higher if I remember correctly.
Someone did this to photogimp (modified Gimp that looked like the photoshop interface) and it killed the project.
Cuz it’s not a fake website lol, it’s the original Lubuntu website and it’s their project ultimately. Canonical just hijacked their project if you didn’t realize.
Just because it's the original, doesn't mean it's not fake. It's not their project anymore. They abandoned the project then showcased Lubuntu releases that the real devs were making, pretending to be the ones that were developing and updating the distribution. The real website is the website made and updated by the people making the distribution. Imagine if Disney buys Star Wars but George Lucas keeps the lucasfilm domain and keeps pretending to be making and releasing all new Star Wars movies, who's being dishonest?,
New users always complained about this situation because the old website was lazy and showed old releases long after updates, real sabotage by the old owner of the website. Especially considering Lubuntu is obviously just a derivative of Ubuntu.
And probably behind the scenes our egoist Mario is telling Canonical "Told you I'll only give you the domain if you pay me 30k $ .. now It'll be 60k $ if you want to avoid bringing up a big law suit).
this is so ridiculous lmao, i love it
I've never agreed with Rick's take on bureaucracy so much
I don't get what's wrong with reverse domain hijacking... I mean, if someone hijacks a domain wouldn't you want this panel to reverse that!
I feel like Sgt. Schultz. It is better to know nothing.
Ubuntu... That explains it.
HTTPS, very fancy
I am not a lawyer but point 3 can be explained in different ways. "The disputed domain name has been registered and is being used in bad faith". It has been registered (maybe not in bad faith) and is being used in bad faith.
Mario is an anagram for Jia Tan
> Mario is an anagram for Jia Tan
I... I guess I must have forgotten how anagrams work.
wouldn't that be a fucking plot twist
I am no legal expert, but since they got to keep the website. How about they recreate lubuntu or build on the top of it in a way to satisfy the community better. This will give Canonical a good lesson and hopefully some competition.
Hong PHUC Dang
I'm just sitting back laughing having a few cans
I liked the old lubuntu with lxde... lxqt kind of killed lubuntu for me
Ok?
I run lxde on opensuse tumbleweed now for the comically low RAM usage
Huh
For example Raspberry Pi OS also uses the LXDE desktop, although with a modified theme. And they switched to running on Wayfire window manager by default now, but switching to the original Openbox window manager on Xorg is still possible.
I am very happy with it on such a device.
But on my powerfull computers it's all KDE on Arch btw which I run.
Maybe Canonical just renames Lubuntu to Cubuntu or Canonuntu or something... Ezpz ish.
lubuntwo
The solution here is for Canonical to dump 'lubuntu' and rebrand it to something different.... i mean there are 25 other letters to pick from.
Main thing is that the L in Lubuntu stands for LXDE, and changing it's letter would put it out of line of Canonical's nomenclature for official Ubuntu forks.
well no... kubuntu and xubuntu is taken and i would argue that A,I,O and U don't really roll off the tongue that well.
in all seriousness though. why would you let someone just walk al over you for an IP that YOU OWN. its silly.
As a legal expert to the degree of the average poster here, I can with full confidence say this is really stupid.
I hate to say it, but Lubuntu might want to consider a rebrand so they don't have to deal with this headache anymore. Assuming they don't have any other solution in the works, that is, because they really shouldn't have to do it.
Lubuntu might as well rebrand at this rate.
shout out to Mario
This is an utter failure in administration
Canonical should probably just give up and change the name at this point.
That will make it worse, actual impersonators might pop out to catch those that don't know of the change, or new users that read in an old thread about Lubuntu not knowing it's no longer a thing
@@guiorgy short term loss, but long term gain.
@@guiorgy They still own the me domain so can just put in a permanent redirect.
I think many open source projects must have faced similar situations in their life, albeit this lasted so long because the perpetrator had economic power !!!
both are in the right.
tldr; Mario is an asshole?
Why not rename the distro? Lubuntu is a shitty name anyhow imho.
Ubuntux; lick my buntu; ubuntu with lxde; the all new ubuntu; lxbuntu; lixdibuntu; ubluxdbuntu(e); lxdebuntu;
So may creative names... What other naming ideas?