CNC Router - NEVER DO THIS with your CNC Router Bits and Collets

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  • Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
  • Inserting and clamping CNC router bits into the collet of CNC routers is a crucial step in setting up the machine for precise and efficient CNc carving and preventing safety hazards, such as breaking the router bit, ruining the CNC project, or worse, causing injury.
    If you're wondering how much of the router to stick into the collet holder, this video will answer that question. This video instructs you on the Do's and Don'ts when installing your CNC router bits into the collet into your CNC machine. You'll learn how tight to make the collet, and how to properly care for it.
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Комментарии • 302

  • @crombejyt
    @crombejyt Год назад +12

    Good video, but really, did it need to be 24 minutes long to say, "insert the bit until it's 1 diameter from the end of the flutes"? That's really a very long winded explanation for that fact. Lol! Thanks though!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад +1

      John, you need to cover every detail brother! Glad it helped.

    • @johnlosee26
      @johnlosee26 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@IDCWoodcraftI appreciate the longer detail. I also increased the playback speed to 1.25.

    • @craigcameron7376
      @craigcameron7376 16 дней назад

      Perhaps you should show Garret a little more gratitude and less attitude. He is doing this to help people and safety is paramount!
      Keep up your great work Garrett, we appreciate it!

  • @DannyCarter-q2d
    @DannyCarter-q2d 25 дней назад

    As a newbie I found this video extremely helpful. You do great work.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  22 дня назад

      DannyCarter-q2d, Thank you so much for your kind words! I'm glad you found the video helpful.

  • @rwilb2
    @rwilb2 8 месяцев назад +1

    This is a very useful video. Watch it *before* you start playing with your CNC router.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  8 месяцев назад

      rwilb2, so glad to hear that brother! Happy CNCing.

  • @BuiltByChris
    @BuiltByChris Год назад +1

    Finally, something I can understand. Well presented. I've been guilty of most of the "don'ts" you mentioned. So far, I've been very lucky it would seem. Thanks for explaining this in such a way that even I can understand it. Cheers from Australia, mate. 🇦🇺🇺🇸👍

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Chris, right on brother! Glad to hear this one helped you.

  • @kenmoon8647
    @kenmoon8647 2 месяца назад

    Great information. Glad someone is teaching about using the CNC and answering a lot of questions. It’s greatly appreciated

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  2 месяца назад

      kenmoon8647, Thank you for the kind words! I'm passionate about CNC woodworking and happy to share my knowledge.

  • @JustinDesilva
    @JustinDesilva Год назад

    Thank you. This is a great lesson to learn. Over tightening is one if the reasons I do my own car repairs. Too many times bolts and nuts are excessively over tightened leading to stripped heads and threads.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Justin, exactly! I'm glad the video was helpful brother, it's definitely similar to tightening down bolts on the car to the right torque specs and not over doing it. Couldn't have said it better myself! Happy cutting!

  • @rega3160
    @rega3160 10 месяцев назад

    Garrett, this is a great video! Thank you.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  10 месяцев назад

      Rega3160, you are so welcome brother!

  • @JTs3DPrints
    @JTs3DPrints 9 месяцев назад

    Great video, much appreciated! Safety always first. It can protect your bits, machine, and self. Solid Advice!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  9 месяцев назад

      Jeff, you bet! I couldn't agree more brother, safety should always comes first!

  • @dnelsongb
    @dnelsongb Год назад +8

    If it wasn't for this guy, I wouldn't be going down the path that I am. Excellent advice, training, customer service and of course, the products! Thank you Garret Fromme!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад +1

      dnelsongb, I'm truly humbled and glad to be a part of your cnc journey my friend!

  • @johnalex3023
    @johnalex3023 Год назад +6

    Probably stating the obvious but, it might be worth mentioning that with ER collets, the collet should be snapped into the nut before putting in the bit, or the nut threading on the spindle.

  • @claudej1894
    @claudej1894 Год назад +1

    Very straightforward guide. Good info. Thank you!

  • @satxsatxsatx
    @satxsatxsatx Год назад +1

    New info for me, thank you for the extremely Important instruction

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Len, glad to hear this helped brother!

  • @JoeLazzara
    @JoeLazzara Год назад +2

    Absolutely another great video, Garrett!! This definitely is perfect for the beginner and a good refresher for the folks who've been doing this awhile. We're all guilty of doing this at some point, so this is a great reminder on how to chuck our bits properly and safely. Everyone that watches this will be more mindful of it now.
    If you ever start to categorize your videos, consider putting this in your "A Beginner's Guide to CNCing with Garrett Fromme" series. 😁❤
    I can also help produce it if you'd like....ya know, a Deniro and Scorsese type thing. I think it would be a highly anticipated event.🤣
    Coincidentally, I got my new 3/16 compression bit today and I can't wait to use this sucker. 😃👍

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад +1

      Joe, I am so happy to hear that this one helped you. You can never be too safe in the shop! Glad to hear you got your new bit!

  • @JKArgonis
    @JKArgonis 8 месяцев назад

    Thanks Garrett especially from this newbie of CNC. Here's a thought. Why don't they just add/engrave recommended place markers on the bits like on a car dip stick? Anyway, I appreciate the lesson. I am an extremely new beginner to the CNC (a 30x30 Longmill CNC 🙂, even watched your review) and this helps me understand and do things correctly. Cheers!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  8 месяцев назад

      JKArgonis, Excellent suggestion brother. I'll have to keep that in mind for the future!

  • @atamazon3755
    @atamazon3755 8 месяцев назад

    Just noticed you have one on one's on your website. That's brilliant.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  8 месяцев назад

      atamazon, thanks brother! Kate is an excellent teacher and I know you will get a lot out of booking a one on one with her.

  • @pony10000
    @pony10000 Год назад +1

    Excellent video Garrett.
    While I do not agree that it's ok for a bit to go all the way up and bottoming out (there should always be a clearance of the thickness of a piece of paper), this video should be mandatory viewing for anyone buying a CNC.
    Pony

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Pony, great points brother. Glad you liked this one.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Pony, great points brother. Glad you liked this one.

  • @henrymallory6614
    @henrymallory6614 Год назад +1

    great video. wish it was around 30 years ago. I had a bit to come went pasts my head and stuck in the wall on the other side of my shop

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Henry, very funny brother! Glad you liked this one.

  • @mjjeanson
    @mjjeanson Год назад +3

    Sir when you place a bit too far into the spindles/routers drive shaft and bottom it out or you place a large bit against the surface of the nut you are not allowing room for the collet and bit to move into the clamping taper as you tighten the chuck. This will result in a bit that has no place to move. The shaft or body of the bit is now constrained. So as you tighten the collet you will ether produce a side force and or a down force that will cause your bit to have run out and or uneven side pressures on the collet. This will result in the runout ether creating vibration or the side force will let go and thus you will have a loose bit. I have seen this occur numerous times in my CNC guild and at work and thus I highly recommend that you add it into the category of don't do this!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Mjjeanson, you bring up quite a lot of good points brother. I appreciate you sharing your perspective, I will add this to future videos.

  • @Horizon-m5o
    @Horizon-m5o Год назад +1

    Thank you again Garrett!!, this is valuable information.

  • @paradisearcade8386
    @paradisearcade8386 Год назад +4

    Great tips! But I'm sorry, I have to politely disagree with the bottoming out of the bit in the collet. It's got nothing to do with heat transfer or whatever, but if the bit extends past the bottom of the collet (not the cutting side) then as it gets tight, it can stop you from tightening it fully because the collet has grabbed on to the bit before reaching full turns with the nut, especially if you have a collet nut that is quite tight to begin with.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Paradise, very good point my friend. I could see your perspective on this one.

  • @adamtinkers
    @adamtinkers Год назад

    Great video, always enjoy your lessons!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Adam, I'm glad it was helpful for you brother!

  • @jimking9646
    @jimking9646 Год назад

    Another Great Video

  • @rowepjr
    @rowepjr Год назад +1

    Great video Garret. Also do not buy cheap Chinese bits. They break easily. I bought some before I found your site. Although I am in Australia orders still come quickly. I have had a break from CNC as I have been learning laser engraving. I will be getting back into CNC shortly after I install a new spindle on my 6040. Fortunately I have one in stock as I was expecting the spindle to fail eventually as the one supplied was not great quality.

  • @st0mper121
    @st0mper121 Год назад +1

    I always used as a rule. the hole above the nut i put the bit inside until i see it just start poking inside the hole. I have some things i CNC that is 2.5 in thick. I have had jobs that i had to stop and adjust my bit to get more out of it until i started fallowing that rule of the hole.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      st0mper121, that's a great rule of thumb brother. Thanks for sharing!

  • @kensonbaird1521
    @kensonbaird1521 Год назад

    GREAT INFORMATION

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Ken, I'm glad it was helpful brother!

  • @charleselkins4546
    @charleselkins4546 Год назад

    Good info. Makes sense as well.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  11 месяцев назад

      CharlieSelkins, glad to hear it brother!

  • @michelle_jansen
    @michelle_jansen 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you. Great video.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  7 месяцев назад

      michelle_jansen, you are so welcome! Happy to hear this video helped you my friend.

  • @timrosenberg4139
    @timrosenberg4139 Год назад +1

    Another great info video! Thank you.

  • @GuyBeaver-h3q
    @GuyBeaver-h3q 11 месяцев назад

    Great information

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  11 месяцев назад

      Glad it was helpful my friend!

  • @TristanJCumpole
    @TristanJCumpole Год назад +1

    The real issue as I see it with this Makita router (which I have also) is that the collet is only single locking using a collet cone rather than a spring collet. These are not self-centring and increase runout on the bit....after all, this Makita unit is design as a 1HP palm router rather than specifically being a CNC spindle. I push my bits full depth and withdraw it a little, so any runout that is being introduced is as minimal as possible. I absolutely would not advocate using wide heavy bits in that single-locking collet arrangement, as any vibration can be disastrous. Absolute agreement about the spindle lock button. It's only good for spinning up the nut by hand, nothing more. A big problem that I see in the design of this palm router is that the rear commutator bearing is held within the plastic housing....not a very stable or vibration free idea. It's a palm/trim router. We have to manage our expectations, moreso when safety is a factor. Cheers!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад +1

      Tristan, all fair points my friend! Thanks for sharing your insight and perspective!

  • @centralseac
    @centralseac Год назад +3

    Great video. A good security feature is to install an anti-wobble micro-switch to the router mount which disconnects the router relay and cuts the power to the router when a pre-calibrated wobble is achieved. Imagine the centrifugal force of 10 grams, offset at a 45° angle, spinning at 16,000 RPM´s, let alone that massive bit in the video, it´s going to shake the hell out of the machine, maybe even rip the router, and its mount, off the crossbar. People are always all too willing to try and beat the system to get things done. A flying router bit, big or small is a lethal projectile that will kill you.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад +1

      Raymond, that is a great idea brother! All good points.

  • @octanekustomguitarworks510
    @octanekustomguitarworks510 Год назад +1

    Off the subject
    I have a qweenbeepro CNC with mach3 controller card. Can I send files from v carve to mach 3. When I manually import a g code file only half my drawing shows up in mach 3 screen
    ...or it's really small. I'm trying to CNC guitar body's.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      I don't use Mach 3 very much so I don't really know. But it sounds like you have a conflict between imperial and metric units. If you're using the trial version of Mach 3, it won't do anything past 500 lines of code

  • @stephenfirlotte7712
    @stephenfirlotte7712 Год назад

    Another great video, i'm still learning. Keep up the great work.
    I was wondering if a guideline could be placed on bits in the manufacturing process??

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Stephen, thanks brother! The guide line is an interesting idea, I've have a similar thought like that too. I'll keep you in the loop!

  • @C-M-E
    @C-M-E Месяц назад

    As heat travels from hot to cold, I would say if you have so much where you're concerned about heat travel past your collet, you're working the bit far too hard. Cooling out to be looked at for suitable materials, and if not applicable, take smaller bites. 😉
    I've had to work around making deep cuts far out of reach of even an extended length bit by vertically sectioning the parts and keying the layers together. Most of these are functional parts versus cosmetic, so the layer line between materials isn't much of concern so long as its filled where necessary and the mating surfaces are flat. If it is cosmetic, that sounds like an opportunity for extra stain shades or wood types.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Месяц назад

      C-M-E, You bring up some great points about managing heat and making strategic cuts, especially when working with deep profiles! Vertical sectioning is a smart way to handle those challenging projects, and it’s impressive how you prioritize functionality over cosmetic details when needed. Layering different materials can definitely create some interesting effects, and it opens up a lot of creative possibilities with stains and finishes. It's always exciting to see how different techniques can come together to achieve the desired results!

  • @sateeshum394
    @sateeshum394 11 месяцев назад +1

    I strongly disagree on pushing full to bottom of chuck cavity as grab may not occur completely and loosen the bit further.. ther should be a bit of space for collect grab at least 10percent space to move and grab.. have first hand experience that really goes wrong otherwise especially ER bits. Rest of content is very Well explained...

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  11 месяцев назад

      You are right and I'm not sure what I was thinking when I did the video. I will probably redo it just because of that print

  • @mikesmith7989
    @mikesmith7989 5 месяцев назад +1

    Hey Garrett, just getting started in the CNC world. I just ordered one of your 1.5 surfacing bits. So the 1/3 rule applies for this bit?

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  5 месяцев назад

      Great question. It applies to all router bits

  • @3sonssigns
    @3sonssigns 6 месяцев назад

    Very helpful

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  6 месяцев назад +1

      3sonssigns, right on brother. Im glad to hear it.

  • @williamcovell6324
    @williamcovell6324 Год назад +1

    🌵 Thanks for watching our backs 🌵 God should have, at least, put one eye 👁️ on the back of our head 🌵🌵

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      William, very true brother. I couldn't agree more.

  • @Horus4302
    @Horus4302 Год назад +1

    Great timing for this video! Was looking for some tutorials on bits and collets, and there are surprisingly few videos online. Just one question: I have the same Makita router (part of the Bobs CNC Quantum machine). It says it uses 1/4" shank bits, which I bought, but I have to force them into the collet. They don't just slide easily into the collet like in your video. I'm just confused if I need smaller bits, or if I do something wrong.
    Thanks for the great content Garrett!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад +1

      There are two things that could be wrong here. Either your collet is a 6 mm collet or it is just undersized.

  • @Dta1996
    @Dta1996 Год назад +3

    Good stuff as always. Would like to see more information on the longer bits. I have been very frustrated with them as they tend towalk out and destroy my project. Maybe feeds and speeds? They care so useful when needing to do a deep pocket.
    Thanks
    Doug

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад +1

      Doug, feeds and speeds for long bits can be tricky but for those longer bits, slower feeds tends to be safer.

  • @Max-lq9bi
    @Max-lq9bi 2 месяца назад +1

    I need to fast forward 8 minutes to get to what i want to know which is how far in to stick my router bit into the collect. Can you please get straight to the point
    first then elaborate later?😅😅😅😅

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  2 месяца назад

      Max-lq9bi, Sure, I recommend sticking your router bit 1/4" to 1/2" into the collet for most applications. It's important to ensure the bit is secure and not too far in that it causes vibrations or too far out that it's unstable.

  • @williambonfiglio5933
    @williambonfiglio5933 Год назад +1

    What about the use of spaceballs to minimize overheating of the bit as well as the sticking of the bit in the router.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      William, using spaceballs is a great idea. I'll have to do some research on that one brother, thanks!

  • @teksatan4699
    @teksatan4699 2 месяца назад

    *The problem is there are two different styles of spring collets(you only showed one), this is why you see advertisers telling you NOT to fully insert the bit*
    There are 2 (main) types or "styles" of ER11 collet, the clamping style(first and third collets you showed) and the spring style (second collet you showed). *Spring style clamps need room at the top(router side) of the collet in order to function correctly* because well, they are a spring and need room to compress (This is why the second collet you showed had an open (wider) section drilled out of the back of the collet), so when the collet is tightened the taper can compress fully to secure the bit. *The second style of spring collet HAS NO clearance hole drilled in the back of the collet. Bits should NEVER be inserted past the bottom of the very top slots cut into these collets* (roughly 2-10 mm from the end depending on shank diameter). *If you insert the shank past this point on this style of collet, the spring won't compress, and there will be a slight taper between the inside of the collet and the bit shank as well as the collet and the taper inside the router, causing only partial engagement*

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  2 месяца назад

      teksatan4699, Thanks for pointing that out, it's important to be aware of the different collet styles and how they should be used with router bits. It's essential to have the correct understanding of how to insert the bit into the collet to ensure optimal performance and safety. Remember to always follow the manufacturer's guidelines for your specific collet type. Thanks for sharing brother!

  • @HowardMcCall-ju4zw
    @HowardMcCall-ju4zw Год назад +2

    This is very helpful instructions on proper setup for router bits. The safety side on this video is very important. A sharp bit spinning at 25,000 rpm’s and coming at you is a very scary proposition.
    10:05 pm

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Howard, glad to hear this one helped brother! Can never be too safe.

  • @bubba6945
    @bubba6945 Год назад +2

    What about using a router collet exstension ?

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад +1

      Ah dang! I forgot to mention that in this video. I'll put it in the description. Thanks

  • @jeffreyschmiedeck4254
    @jeffreyschmiedeck4254 9 месяцев назад +1

    The more Rigid the set up the better! You should have schooling and training!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  9 месяцев назад

      So true. That's why I made this video. Do you think it was effective? Did I get the point across?

  • @bw162
    @bw162 9 месяцев назад +1

    Do NOT to insert any bit all the way in. The ER collet only has 2 slits from top to bottom. The rest do not by as much as a 1/2 inch. Thus, if the shaft of the bit is inserted past the end of ALL the splits, you will NOT get a tight bit even if you think you are wrenching it tight. What will happen during a cut is the bit will drop to the point where all the splits on the collet reach the shaft of the bit and at that point, the bit will be so tight, you will have difficulty breaking it free from the collet. And you will have ruined your project and likely overloaded the spindle to the point you blow a fuse. Ask me how I know. Also, many bits such as Amana, have an index mark on the bit shaft that denotes the minimum insertion point.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  9 месяцев назад

      Bw, very good points my friend. Thank you so much for sharing your perspective. I will look into this further.

    • @bw162
      @bw162 9 месяцев назад

      @@IDCWoodcraft Not all collets are the same and generalized insertion instructions are problematic. They are one of the most important parts of proper and accurate cutting. Talk to a professional machinist about collets. That’s what I did and learned a lot. Some will throw them away if dropped on the floor because of their nature and the importance in the outcome of very precise applications. What we do in a wood shop is sometimes crude by their standards. BTW, I highly recommend using an air compressor on the collet and nut whenever changing a bit.

  • @mrslmenardstm3030
    @mrslmenardstm3030 Год назад +3

    I was assigned to a classroom with a Laguna IQ CNC machine. I had no experience with CNC and I'm learning on my own. Your videos have helped me so much. Luckily, our machine has an enclosure because I caused a bit to snap last week. I did exactly what you described. I plan to spend the summer break watching more of your videos and the training from the company so my students can use the machine safely in the fall. Thank you for this video!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Menard, an enclosure is a good idea brother! Safety is #1!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Menard, an enclosure is a good idea brother! Safety is #1!

  • @michaeljansen5188
    @michaeljansen5188 11 месяцев назад +2

    Good to know! I'm new to CNC, and this is info I haven't found anywhere else. This is the type of thing they should tell you right off the bat!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  11 месяцев назад

      MichaelJansen, right on brother! Glad to hear this helped you.

  • @davidpratt427
    @davidpratt427 Год назад +1

    When you over tighten the collect you spring it that's it don't run true

  • @juanalbertocorniel
    @juanalbertocorniel 4 месяца назад

    Thanks for share your knowlege! is there a reduction to 1/8 bits for the Makita router?

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  4 месяца назад

      juanalbertocorniel, You're welcome! I sure do have one brother! Here is a link: idcwoodcraft.com/products/makita-1-8-collet

  • @daviddanboise1601
    @daviddanboise1601 Год назад +2

    Great information. I hope new users will take this seriously. Thanks Garrett!!!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      David, glad to hear it brother! You are so welcome.

  • @stacylukas9801
    @stacylukas9801 Год назад +1

    If you bottom out the bit in the tool, there is the possibility that when you go to tighten the collet, you cant get it tight enough as the bit has no room to move UP as you tighten the bit.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Stacy, very true my friend. You make a very good point with that one.

    • @stacylukas9801
      @stacylukas9801 Год назад

      @@IDCWoodcraft Keep up the good work, everyone of every skill level can use the information you have been putting out so thank you for that.

  • @jodychaffin6265
    @jodychaffin6265 11 месяцев назад

    My cnc router machine starts cutting real nice but after a few it’s starts to cut on another path can help me out my brother thanks jody

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  11 месяцев назад

      Jody, this one is a little tricky to answer via comments. I recommend joining Kate and I for our weekly live sessions we host every Wednesday night at 8PM EST. We should be able to give you some tips and tricks then my friend!

  • @rogersecura5181
    @rogersecura5181 Год назад +1

    I decided to make sure a broken bit never impales my handsome face by mounting a piece of Plexiglas to the front of my router. All I did was attach two magnetic cabinet latches to the bottom of the plastic shield and then to the front of my table. Now, I just flip the shield up when the router is running.
    I also have a smoke alarm and fire extinguisher in case I do something stupid like go upstairs while the router is running.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Roger, that is a very good idea brother! You can never be too safe around a CNC.

  • @benferguson5929
    @benferguson5929 Год назад +1

    On large cutters, I have always gone by the rule of "no more than 2 shank diameters" sticking out (no more than 1/2" on a 1/4" shank bit), that way if it's a different manufacturer with a different shank length you'll still be safe with those big boys

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Ben, very true brother. That is a great rule.

  • @bluffhavenstudios
    @bluffhavenstudios Год назад

    Thank you

  • @cbhoy5527
    @cbhoy5527 Год назад +1

    Good Advice Thanks

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      CB1000, no problem. I am happy to help!

  • @atienne_navarre
    @atienne_navarre Год назад +1

    Good info. I have not seen this said before. So here's my question. I know that they sell them but I was thinking of getting a bunch of shaft collars and putting them on my bits so when I change the bit in the middle of a job I don't have to worry about zero height as much. Is there any chance of throwing off the balance of the bits by doing this? Thanks

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      That's a great question! You want to find balanced collars. These are colors that have been spun up and have had material removed in certain spots to make sure they're in balance at high rotation

  • @roy.h.barrett
    @roy.h.barrett Год назад +1

    Garrett, Thank you Brother.. your content is ALWAYS germane and informative!!

  • @paramoose
    @paramoose Год назад +1

    Solid info as always Garrett!! I had always been taught & heard to never bottom out your bits but never an explanation as to why. My father taught me to bottom out the bit then pull out about 1/4 inch or to clear the flutes. He always maintained that the shank should always be inserted to the length of the collet at a minimum for maximum grip. He did have a tendency to firm on the the clamping pressure tho.
    I can attest to how scary it is to have a bit snap on you!! Was using a good sized ogee bit in a 1-1/2HP router and it snapped just above the body of the bit. I was taking multiple light passes in a piece of walnut but it was a cheap bit. Thank the Lord it flew away from me when it snapped as it blew through the drywall 10 feet away from me!!! If it had come the other way I'd be sporting a new belly button at best and I don't want to think about the worst case scenario!!!!!! After that I have sworn off trying to save a $1 on those cheap bits!!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Paramoose, glad to hear this one helped you brother! I could see your fathers perspective and he has some very good points.

  • @joedowney6082
    @joedowney6082 Год назад +1

    This is very useful information that everyone should be aware of. Thanks for this useful video. Great job explaining the safety aspects.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Joe, I am so glad to hear this one helped you brother!

  • @terryvanbrug
    @terryvanbrug 11 месяцев назад

    A nice reminder is that a tool that is sticking out 2x longer is deflecting 8x more.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  11 месяцев назад +1

      TerryVanburg, that is a great rule of thumb brother!

  • @AlistairMc
    @AlistairMc Год назад +1

    extremely useful points made. I have been a woodworker all my life and never looked into this subject in this detail. I thought I knew it all. But don't we do that.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Allistair, never quit learning brother! It will pay off in the end.

  • @lluttrell1913
    @lluttrell1913 Год назад +1

    Thanks for another useful video.
    Answered a couple questions I’ve had recently.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Lyle, I am so happy to hear that my friend!

  • @BertramRe
    @BertramRe Год назад +1

    How did you know that was my question left over from last night?? Perfect timing! Thanks so much for creating these videos!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Rebecca, you are so welcome. I want to make sure you are off to the right foot.

  • @DanGoodchild
    @DanGoodchild Год назад +1

    Very helpful! It's good to have a simple rule or two tucked away in the back of my mind to guide my setup process; thank you!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Dan, right on glad you enjoyed this one.

  • @TheVideotoaster
    @TheVideotoaster Год назад +1

    Great information

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      TheVideotoaster, glad you liked this one my friend.

  • @ozguzzi
    @ozguzzi Год назад +1

    After years of running Bridgeports, and milling machines, you are 100% correct!!

  • @OhSueZQue
    @OhSueZQue Год назад +1

    Thank you! I'm super new to cnc and this was very helpful info for me!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Susie, you're welcome! I'm glad it was helpful!

  • @JohnColgan.
    @JohnColgan. 6 месяцев назад

    Most users of ER collets use ER11 3mm to 1/4" and sizes between , which is significantly smaller than the ER20 you're showing. Ive always been told you need to fully enclose the bit shank within the upper taper can exceed, but not shorter!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  6 месяцев назад

      JohnColgan, good points brother! Having the proper clamping on an ER collet is critical.

  • @JamesKirk-m7e
    @JamesKirk-m7e 10 месяцев назад

    I really enjoyed your presentation this subject. It was loaded with lots of valuable information and I learned a lot. I do have a question about the collets. I don't have a CNC, but I do have routers. I was wondering if the CNC "labled" collets are specific for CNC's or can they be used in handheld routers, as well? I will appreciate and feedback.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  10 месяцев назад

      user-ns3nn1ik1n, glad to hear this one helped you brother! Most collets designed for CNC spindles wont fit in a handheld router. I would recommend that you purchase a collet specific for your handheld router my friend.

  • @aragorndedolor4171
    @aragorndedolor4171 7 месяцев назад

    Add a drill bit debt stop collar to your router bits. You will always have enough grip and when using a jig you get a very similar cutting debt (within micro millimetres) incase you have to change your bit because it's dull or broken. No Z adjustment . Also you know the difference in cutting debt between different bits. Easy to adjust the Z hight when you have a tool change.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  7 месяцев назад

      aragorndedolor4171, that is a great idea brother! I like that.

  • @granthogarth8318
    @granthogarth8318 8 месяцев назад

    Thanks for this. I have one thought and one question. Thought: What about using a sharpie to mark the ideal distance ? (and for your bits, maybe scribing a line on the bit shaft?)
    Question: What do you think of this "collar" method for setting the shaft depth? ruclips.net/video/uM4gY6qSds4/видео.html

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  8 месяцев назад +1

      granthogarth, you are so welcome my friend. I have been looking into having a special mark on router bit shafts just for this method! The collar method works great as well! Give it a shot and see how it goes.

  • @K-politic
    @K-politic Год назад +1

    you should not bottom out the bit into the hole. It causes the bit to slide in the sides of the ER collect and can damage them. Also can prevent you from correctly tightening the ER collect correctly because you now have 2 forces pushing and not just 1. if you bottom out, just back off 1/4 inch or 5-6mm.
    This said, I think this is a great video for people. very educational.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад +1

      K, good call my friend. I could definitely see your perspective on this one.

    • @K-politic
      @K-politic Год назад

      @@IDCWoodcraft we all learn from each other. I have learned allot from your videos and enjoy them.

  • @johnsylvan8600
    @johnsylvan8600 9 месяцев назад

    Ouch. The horizontal forces on bits is quite problematic unless feed speeds are really low, We cut multiple times on single path . On 3/4 material its cut 3 times at about 1/4 depth on each pass

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  9 месяцев назад

      John, I couldn't agree more brother! It sounds like you guys are doing an awesome job over there my friend! Happy cncing!

  • @LYTOMIZE_Woodshop
    @LYTOMIZE_Woodshop Год назад +1

    This has to be the most comprehensive tutorial I've seen on this subject... and since I've seen most or close to all of your videos, it's great that you have condensed past thoughts and tips on the subject in this one video. Thanks!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад +1

      Michael, I am so glad to hear it brother.

  • @NickZykov-qy7ln
    @NickZykov-qy7ln Год назад

    Super interesting and helpfulI video I dont even own a CNC machine yet but Like to learn so when i do buy one I will have Good habits and knowledge. Thanks i wish for more videos

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Nick, welcome to the amazing world of CNC my friend! I'm glad the videos have been helpful so far and I'm looking forward to you getting your machine and seeing what you create!

  • @KennithPhinneyII
    @KennithPhinneyII Год назад +1

    Thanks for doing these videos always helpful 😊

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Kennith, you are so welcome brother!

  • @ClinToneCust23
    @ClinToneCust23 6 месяцев назад

    Actually you dont have the long bit i want.. LOL I ordered the rough cut one but the other ones out of stock.. I put in my email so holler when you got em!! thanks for the videos

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  6 месяцев назад +1

      ClinToneCust23, sorry that one bit is out of stock! Once it is back in, you will be the first to know!

  • @davegirimonte9945
    @davegirimonte9945 Год назад +1

    Hello Garrett I enjoyed the video but my question is what about drill bit collars do you recommend them thanks I just reached out to Kate about one of her tips for painting signs which helped me out

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад +1

      Dave, you dont need drill bit collars brother. It is all controlled in the CNC.

    • @davegirimonte9945
      @davegirimonte9945 Год назад

      @@IDCWoodcraft thank you

  • @michaelicornelius
    @michaelicornelius 8 месяцев назад

    Why dont you and other router manufacturers laser mark this onto the bits in the first place - would greatly assist newbies. Thanks

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  8 месяцев назад

      Michael, this is absolutely something I've considered for the future brother. Thanks for sharing your perspective!

  • @brianmaag178
    @brianmaag178 7 месяцев назад

    Assuming you are stopping before the flutes enter the collet, is it possible to insert a bit too far? So that it sticks out the back of the collet? I've heard that can be bad, but I feel like I have to do so in order to insert a 2 1/2 inch bit a safe distance into an er11 collet.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  7 месяцев назад

      brianmaag178, it is perfectly ok brother! If the bit sticks out of the collet and doesn't bottom out in the back of the router body you will be in good shape!

  • @billysmether6237
    @billysmether6237 Год назад +1

    Great video! These are points that most people are unaware of. Because no one talks about it. I also have machines enclosed for extra protection. The bit can turn into a bullet.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Billy, glad to hear you liked this one my friend.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Billy, glad to hear you liked this one my friend.

  • @garyhome7101
    @garyhome7101 Год назад +1

    Thanks for the information in this video Garrett!
    Considering the router itself, what is its proper depth in the z bracket? It would seem there's potential for fulcrum force based on leverage from the bit feed if the router extends too far down.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад +1

      Gary, that is a very good point. You will need to follow the manufacturer recommendations but typically as low as possible is acceptable for this one.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Gary, that is a very good point. You will need to follow the manufacturer recommendations but typically as low as possible is acceptable for this one.

  • @mikehale81
    @mikehale81 6 месяцев назад

    Sounds like a good safe idea to have manufacturers put a ring mark at the optimum depth on their bits. Safety first, right.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  6 месяцев назад

      mikehale81, very true my friend. That would be a great idea!

  • @warrenbrown8670
    @warrenbrown8670 Год назад +1

    Great content, every CNC user should view.

  • @rschulz01
    @rschulz01 9 месяцев назад

    Excellent advice! I will definitely check out your router bits.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  9 месяцев назад

      rschulz01, right on brother! I'm looking forward to you trying them out soon!

  • @georgenavarre5481
    @georgenavarre5481 Год назад +1

    Great video Garret safety first Thank you...

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      George, I couldnt have said it better myself!

  • @lalohibri9625
    @lalohibri9625 4 месяца назад

    I watched all the RUclips videos saying to contact them if anyone had questions about bits. I’ve tried by email, website reply, phone for almost 3 weeks without a single response. Nothing. I would say horrible customer service but I wouldn’t know - I don’t think it exists

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  4 месяца назад

      lalohibri9625, I'm sorry to hear about your experience trying to get in contact brother. Please give me a call at 812-200-0891 and we will get you taken care of my friend.

    • @lalohibri9625
      @lalohibri9625 4 месяца назад

      Thank you so much for getting back to me and helping me with my specific questions! I really appreciate it

  • @bubba6945
    @bubba6945 Год назад +1

    Id like all bits to have a 2 inch cuy flute length 😊

  • @podman63
    @podman63 Год назад +1

    Many thanks good practise to follow

  • @bryansmith1303
    @bryansmith1303 6 месяцев назад

    Very good video! For your Hog bit which is a down bit. Why not an Up cut bit?

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  6 месяцев назад

      bryansmith1303, sorry for the confusion on this one brother! The HOG is an upcut!

  • @Dugsin503
    @Dugsin503 Год назад +1

    Once again great information. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise Garrett!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Doug, right on! Glad this one helped.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Doug, right on! Glad this one helped.

  • @meikatompai498
    @meikatompai498 Год назад +1

    I always learn something from your videos Garrett. Thank you!

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Meika, you are so welcome my friend.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Meika, you are so welcome my friend.

  • @jerrypeevey
    @jerrypeevey 8 месяцев назад

    I always set mine as far in as it can go and still cut what I want. I do not go more then half way up the bits smooth area. I also use less cut per pass if it is out farther.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  8 месяцев назад

      JerryPeevey, great point brother! It sounds like you have a good system there!

  • @jimpalmer1944
    @jimpalmer1944 Год назад +1

    Good info, will always try to remember.

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Jim, right on. Keep learning everything you can!

  • @__--JY-Moe--__
    @__--JY-Moe--__ Год назад +1

    👍

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Fantasy, right on brother. Glad you liked this one.

  • @michaelmessuri7746
    @michaelmessuri7746 Год назад +1

    great information and I learned a few things

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  Год назад

      Michael, right on brother! Glad to hear it.

  • @eddieyoung8629
    @eddieyoung8629 7 месяцев назад

    Im new to CNC woodworking and I am eating up all of this information

    • @IDCWoodcraft
      @IDCWoodcraft  7 месяцев назад

      eddieyoung, right on brother! Keep working hard and learning everything you can.