real shit though. need reviews like this for normal people who can’t just play every game for a week and actually gotta choose what to do in their free time
Honestly, this game is better for people who have less time. Can use up to 100 battery on farming so that's faster (also props to free 60 battery refresh everyday for F2P). Genshin takes weeks or months to fully explore newly released areas. I can't speak for HSR, HI3, or WuWa though as I don't play those.
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imo the problem with the tv sections isnt that puzzles are boring, its that they arent puzzles at all but just sections where you follow basic instructions, if they actually required some thought i think people would like them way more, maybe they could have exploration missions be only puzzles and combat missions be only combat as a compromise. as it is i dont mind them for what they are i just wish they were actually challenging based loli hater though
@zachary_gongaga it's reasonable for most games. One because some games are hard by default an two because most games have difficulty options for hard an very hard modes. The funny thing is zzz has a "hard mode" that isn't hard lmao
@@crowing3886 not to be too inflammatory but your in your first sentence you said it's reasonable to expect it in most games and in the next you said that SOME games do it, like maybe there's a reason only some games do it, I'm a souls fan but I'm more than fine with games having a difficulty curve, not all games have to teach you exclusively through trial and error the way those games do
@@crowing3886 Thats the challenge mode. The story commission hard mode scales higher on difficulty than the challenge settings. It will scale up enemy Hp so much spongier, but they also do more damage. Doesn't really introduce more attacks in the attack patterns, but I sense that Hoyo is reserving more engaging attack patterns for future enemies so each enemy would still have varied move sets. Difficulty in gacha games are not static. And typically, the harder content is within the optional modes. So story and exploration commissions aren't that as those will have to be completed. I dont remember a gacha game with difficult streamlined in-story combat.
later on "puzzles" get more interesting, but can't blame them too much. People were throwing fits over simplest "puzzles" in Genshin. Absolute madness.
It feels weird that i agree to all of your points but love the game because of them. I'm currently 40lvl and couldnt understand the controversy at all, ty for actually explaining it unlike other toxic people
If you didn't skip the story and liked it, that'll carry you through the early game until you reach the more interesting stuff. Think of the prologue and chapter 1 as one really long tutorial. The characters really are the only redeeming feature of the early game. It's strange (in a good way) to have a gacha protagonist with an actual personality and dialogue.
Honestly, it seems like how you feel about the TV Hollow exploration system is the biggest deciding factor. If you don't like it at all, like Mtashed here, you will simply suffer the game. But I personally like it a lot as a unique and ludo-narratively interesting take on how to tell this game's story, so I don't begrudge it at all, and the game remains enjoyable to me when they happen.
There's a lot of yapping in this game, and if you add the TV system with it you'll be like 3:1 with actual combat. So sure, maybe the story is good underneath all the other mechanics but for a good amount of people it's not worth the time, especially if you value gameplay above all else. Get rid of the TV system and the game will immediately be dramatically better.
IMO this is a HOYO problem in general. I tried starting genshin recently and holy hell the amount of unskippable yapping that goes on is insane. Im playing multiyear old content and im forced to give a crap which is wild to me.
Yeah man. All their games are good, but are held back by hoyo mini games and stuff. If they just go all in with the core gameplay of their games, it would be so much better. For example, if they focused on adding new game modes or expanding the map permanently in genshin, it would just be a better game. But they focus on short term content and mini games instead
@@inser3882 yeah I actually didn't hate genshin but I had to stop playing because in order for me to progress I had to do quests and they are so kind numbing to me. I just do not care about stories in these games and just want to slap some monsters around. HSR is lucky is the best turn based gacha game or I'd stop playing that too. The amount of yapping that's unskippable in hsr sucks too but the game is so good it kind of makes up for it. I'm just so far behind in genshin that I can't justify it and will just continue to love playing wuwa.
It seems to me that the pacing of ch. 1 was not a good way to start the game or retain players. Also too many good features are kept from players for too long.
Personally? I was in love the moment I played it. I'm an artsy nigga, so the JetSetRadio/BombRushCyberfunk/Hi-FiRush/Persona vibes did it all for me. The music, the style, the visuals, shiiit I even liked the TVs but that's life. What appeals to one person isn't what will appeal to another. I also keep in mind that mrtashed is just wired differently from me. He needs intense consistent engagement or he falls off, I'm not a casual gamer, heck no, but I can enjoy slow pacing and of the 3 games (ZZZ, Genshin, HSR) the ZZZ story gripped me harder from the start. Probably because it feels the most familiar, New Eridu looks like a city you could go to.
Could not agree more, this is 100% my feeling playing this game. The slower pace in a realistic fun setting, mixed with stylish flashy combat that has flow and weight to it works for me.
Zenless definitely has a lot more "Slice of Life" vibes to it a lot of the time compared to something like HSR. It has a modern feel to it where you can feel like you could live in the world compared to the Fantasy world of Genshin or the futuristic Sci-fi that is HSR
This felt like I was listening to myself speak for 50mins, 100% spot on everything you said. I am doing my daily's in the hopes that in the near future the game will be changed but I am not putting anymore time into this game.
31:45 to 34:59 I agree to this opinions. It's so confusing at times when choosing engines, disk drives, and skill while not knowing there is actually a shortcut or easy way to skim through.
I think the game is meant for console players. The entire UI feels so much better playing with a controller. For mobile, it feels weird not having a tap on character to talk to them, tap on door to open, you have to use an action key and be facing whatever you want to interact with. For me, I’ve just been doing maybe 1-2 story missions a day and burn my energy. It’s been sort of tedious even when breaking everything up. This game definitely reminds me of astral chain on Nintendo switch with the aesthetics and combat and there’s no TVs so it’d be interesting to see if they borrowed a lot of inspiration from that game.
It’s because ZZZ is like if the Persona gacha game had action combat, instead of turn based combat. So if you play ZZZ as if it was like a traditional jrpg, your playing experience changes immensely.
Yeah the "artifacts" in this game look WAY too similar to each other, countless times when im making them in the music store I think im making one set when in fact im making a different one i didnt want to make and just wasted resources
This is a good review. I agree on just about all of it. I'm having fun but you are right the down time swallows the time spent fighting and or doing something fun
W-engine and Light cone weapon archetype are one of the best implementation, characters cannot be lock with weapon archetype such as sword spear bow catalyst etc. you can have gun, Gatling gun, sniper, drills, dual swords, fan pizza slicer, scythe, axes, baseball bat, broom etc. as a weapon.
ZZZs combat felt like WUWAs combat with training wheels. Its like theyre spoon feeding the players on what to do. It felt like i didnt have to think or decide on anything the game does it for me. It didnt feel like i was the one playing. Its like Hoyo only thinks of the younger or casual players and that theyre afraid that a challenging game will scare them off
Same. With the way they do their combat switching, they should just make it AUTO-COMBAT. The game is just made to look flashier with a tap of a button inside a training simulator.
@@Churchless you're damn right i didn't. The game was boring and the tv mode sucked and if you tell me the game starts to be good after playing for a couple of days then bro that's not a good game
Thanks for the honest review MTashed, I like how he actually took his time to appreciate the game in all its faculties and give an honest opinion. Imma still play ZZZ it kinda is my type of game but really appreciate the opinion you've given me that is more valuable than other streamers that play 1 min and say the game is trash.
Mega agree with the Twin Marionettes. I could feel my brain waking up for the first time and admire their moves. Their singing when reviving is also phenomenal both the audio and the mechanic which actually makes you think and act differently than just mashing through mobs.
As a Destiny player, I'd love to hear your opinion on 'The First Descendant', it's a really good looter shooter. I downloaded ZZZ but never even started playing because I'm hooked, no filler content like hoyo games
@@MTashed Imagine a Destiny/Warframe/First Descendant game but gacha. We get to farm for gear as much as we want but the characters we get it from gacha. I'd need a diaper for the amount of cooming.
Honestly everything after chapter 1 is really good (story wise). And funnily enough some of the events later on make what happened in chapter one better in hindsight.
For a combat-focused game with a supposed focus on combos and such, it's the most sauceless pasta combat system I've ever played As someone who tries to be stylish during combat and not caring for gears, artifacts, etc, I often find myself feeling like there's not much room for any expression. Most battles end up feeling similar to one another: parry this, perfect dodge-counter that, mash a little until you can use the EX specials, pull up the chain, repeat... and aside from visuals, I don't really feel anything Visual spectacle is the only real style I'm getting, not what I as a player have done to achieve it
There is definitely more depth than what you described. Characters have hidden tech and swap tech more advanced than WW. Its like the game focuses more on swap based combat, rather than solo character combat. Personally, I feel like there is more skill expression in this game, but it boils down to if the player wants to find it. Low skill floor and high skill ceiling is that they are aiming for. I think most complaints about the combat comes from the skill floor.
@@notsolocallocalalien1034Hoyo is a billion-dollar company earning $100M a month. With those resources, their games should be held to high standards, just like $70 AAA titles.
one of the main things I hate in this game, is that the TV section, it wasn't enough that it was grabbing me away from combat but there's missions that require to complete 3 floors of TV...bruh, Im' just like whyyyy.
it rly comes down to the lack of combat and the player being disengaged from the combat for long periods of time. I think the hollow should be an actual explorable area with a ton of different floors which they could gradually add as the story progresses.They need to upgrade the rally missions and add co-op to them, make side content that keeps the player engaged and gaining meaningful progression. With the combat i think they should add an option continuing the combo with the same character instead waiting for the time to run out. It would give you more control over the combat.
Im majorly invested in 4 Gachas at moment, WuWa, Snowbreak CZ, PtN and this, and the one i look forward to jumping on most i this one, for me it just feels new, varied and interesting with first class aesthetics. Big thumbs up for not reviewing the story as you skipped it, the number of reviews where the reviewer said the story was bad but skipped all of it is shameful
Regarding building out characters (21:33) I've invested 50 hours into the game, I'm interknot level 38, I'm completely free to play and I have missed one day of coffee. I currently have 6 characters that are level 40, I have 7 W engines that are level 40, and all 6 of those characters have maxed out all of their skills to level 7 and activated all passive upgrades (A, B, and C). I have not spent any premium currency on energy refreshes and have used every battery (+60 energy) they have given me. I still have materials to upgrade both characters and weapons and have plenty of in game money, with plenty of in game content to still finish (several character guests, main story, shiyu defense, etc.) If you're smart about managing your resources you can get 2 teams to level 40 without refreshing your energy. Hope this is helpful info for some of you gamers, Peace and Love!
Dead ass, Mtashed was trying to level up a W-engine and went into a character ascension mat domain instead, using up 80 energy for ascension mats. He also uses stamina to level people for the free pulls. Followed up with leveling said new character to see if they’re good, instead of just playing their demo or watching a vid about them. He just impulsively uses resources for things without thinking, and then forgets that he did it. You can check his Twitch Vods for more moments like those.
This. I have around 2 million dennies being f2p and I have almost maxed 2 teams. I think it's mostly because he skips alot of side missions and that's where all the fights and resources are.
@@nerio1227 one of the biggest differences I'm noticing is I haven't invested into any disc drives (aside from getting 4 to +3 for progression) whereas Tashman has several +15 yellow rarity disc drives
@@justkubz I have several 15s aswell and I'm still full of resources. Maybe he leveled more of them and then disassembled them? I don't know. I'm not wasting my stuff at least. Only focusing on 6 characters and 2 bangboos.
as f2p I hit level 41 just today. at lv 40 you are poor asf. I couldnt level my 2 teams or engines. It will take me up to 43 probably to do it. also some remarks. at lv 40 combat weekly bosses will kill your chars and you will be surprised that a member of team dies from time to time.
I agree that the downtime between combats during missions is absurd... and the fights are pretty short to boot. For me Hollow zero was soo boring at the first couple of stages, I thought it will be like that for all stages, but it became more interesting with other stages fortunately, although for how long... To me the flow of combat right now is pretty much always the same: stay on field with stunner until enemy is stunned, chain attack buff, dps enemy down, repeat. That's all. Maybe with more characters it will become more interesting. About kids, to me Genshin is worse, the models of Nahida and the like is just pure weird to play with, but I do agree that not many characters feel especially outstanding rn :/ I generally don't do screenshots in games, but for some reason I enjoy it in this one using the in-built camera, although it's pretty limited.. I play on PS5 and like the main menu structure and that we can set animated wallpapers of our favorite characters, but other than that, I'm on the same opinion about UI and icons as you. I've reached lvl 40 today and completed all quest up till now. I feel like the honeymoon phase slowly starts to end and I begin to see what this game will be after it: a WAITFEST.
Yeah this is what I keep saying. When people ask for a little more difficulty, they arent asking for dark souls I wanna be the boshy tier difficulty. Just basic incentive to use your brain a little bit. Devilmaycry does this beautiful as an action game with the scoring system; it gives incentive to change it up and play well for better grades and rewards. In an action game you gotta give some sort of motivation to use your brain, otherwise its just autopilot and mind numbing.
I mostly agree. It took a long time for me to start enjoying the game, yet still it's not enough fun (lets say how it is - it's not for me). Also here i have no excitement over chasing after banner characters. UI bit i would say was too critical, but i see the point. It's style over everything (the whole game is just style everywhere) and when you press esc i think this menu is pretty clean. Small icons\buttons not really a problem (on pc). Incomparable to other mobile games with their shit ui\menus, you just need to get used to it. Combat gets better the moment you try to understand what your characters can do and there are advanced tricks to combat as well for people who want to try harder. Not a fan of character designs and overall design mix (some are okay, some not, imo). Npcs are step above Hoyos previous games, like regular people on streets are different and good looking for an npc (not a fan of non human looking ones though). Personally i hate everything non combat here and there is more of it than combat. It's not a Persona game.
38:00 We all know that this is the endgame experience. It's not shiyu defense, it's not hollow zero... It's doing your daily chores and basically waiting. It's pretty sad how fast we got to this point. Every gacha game is like this tbh but instanced games like zenless zone zero suffer from this way more than games like genshin or WuWa. When you have a big open world you can at least open a couple chests everyday and feel like you're doing progress towards the next banner. But ZZZ? There is no world to explore. When you're done, you're done and this happens waaay too fast. I'm pretty casual myself. I barely explored the world of wuthering waves and even after playing genshin for 4 years since day one... I still have barely touched sumeru's exploration and we're almost at natlan. So when I ran out of stuff to do in ZZZ by BARELY playing... I was shocked. I guess the best mentality to enjoy a gacha game is basically just have your fun and move on to another game. Because the more you play the higher the chances that you're gonna grow bitter overtime.
what you said last is kinda true, but then you follow on the dilemma that mtashed has talked a lot about, the game is built for you to not play much, but it also punishes you for not playing. To me, it feels like the Hoyo model is not very good bcs it tried to incorporate all the systems mobile games have while also demanding much more time and attention. Its like taking the worst of both wolrds.
After 3 years of Genshin I don't need more of these dead open worlds and it's why I got bored of Wuwa after 2 weeks. But for a new player that plays Genshin or Wuwa for the first time it's a great experience.
Imma be real I much prefer the tv over the rally missions. Rally missions is just run to one point to another, theres nothing to look at or do in between
I understand liking the TVs for a lot of reasons, but mihoyo and these gachas barely have any idea on how to do mission design. When we get the bare minimum with things like the rally missions or wuwa act 6 we gotta ask for more of that, they should be combined with the tvs, I guarantee the player retention of ZZZ would be much higher if they introduced the first 2 rally missions as the nekomata part of the prologue and made the whole train section playable, as in you guide them through the tvs and then defeat the enemies and interact with the environment along side combat
@@IgorJCorrea speaking of which, ZZZ'd be huge if they balanced out the amount of TVs & Combats since launch. However, they unnecessarily losing so many players due to TVs exploration. Hope people will comeback after 1.1 with new features. WuWa did get better after 1.1 so ZZZ.
Ikr, these people hating on the TV system like just stfu and quit, don't play the game, I myself would love more TV exploration like the Hallow Zero and stuffs, i had enough of Open world because genshin midact ruined me
thank you for saying what I have been feeling about the combat. zzz is sold on its combat, but my gripe is that the game won't stop handholding my fighting experience. it's especially present when you are forced to switch characters to continue a chain. You can almost button mash 2 buttons for a whole fight ( wow, real interactive gameplay), Honestly the game would feel better for me if they turned off the forced switching and just let me choose the timings on my switches. Even if I fail, just give me the wheel.
just finished my semester, its been months since I last played these games. Its fascinating to see ur vids again man. Hope you get to 1 mil subs, SUBSCRIBE!!
One thing that really bothers me about the UI is you can't even see what level your W-engine is from the equipment screen without clicking on it again to see the details. I don't know how that stuff makes it past beta.
IMO skipping the story loses a lot of engagement in the game or any Gatcha games in general. I think ZZZ's story gets better in every chapter, now it's one of my main motivation for the game.
I don’t understand why Mtashed would play these type of gacha games, because a huge factor that hooks people into continue playing is the story. If he wanted a more action based game then he should just play WuWa, Hi3, Pgr, etc. Or better yet, stop playing gacha games and just cover games that he enjoys more like D2 or First Descendant.
Gatcha games do tend to sell the characters, and a good way to sell them outside of just design and trailers is the story for the character within the game. Compare it to HSR, Firefly for instance had a lot of story behind her and people absolutely loved her, myself included. Meanwhile, Argenti was added in and a number of people were like "who?" and thus he was skipped by a number of people. The story helps in selling the characters to the players, not just their designs and mechanics.
@@TheWaifuConnoisseurhe already covered that multiple times. He likes the start of gacha games, and zzz was advertised as combat focused, which he covered in this video.
@@alreadyd1d But he’s done that now with like 3 gacha games, and every single time he slowly gets bored of them, and moves on to the next. But he really enjoys playing the first descendant, Destiny 2, Elden Ring, or other non-gacha type games. At that point he should just play the games he knows he’ll like instead of trying to find this mythical gacha game that he keeps on saying he wants to find.
@@TheWaifuConnoisseur I told you that he LIKES to play gacha games at the begging. Why should he stop doing that, if he enjoys them, and makes money off of it? It's illogical.
I agree. Rally missions are fine, but they just play like most other games. How is it better to run from one switch lever to another compared to the TV board?
Another issue is that the typical leveling and progression system of hoyo is really slowing down the experience. Because you can't easily try and test out different team comps even if you are a whale - it takes forever to raise a team...
This is straight up the most honest review I've seen so far. ZZZ has to have some of the worst progress I've seen in a Gacha game, and I've played TOF lol. I'm especially glad he touched on it's terrible ui structure. It needs as much work as the rest of the game. It seems each game's ui has gotten progressively worst after Genshin imo, but i play on controller. I don't think most ppl who've reached endgame will drop it tho. Mostly cuz it's easy to keep up with, once your over the initial hump. I did actually enjoy the main story, juries still up on Agent stories. But everything in-between sadly lived upto it's name, and had me 💤... 😴
Kind of a dumb reason not to use characters. Piper is one of the best units you can have, especially as f2p, and I see people skip over her just because of her young appearance.
Great review Mtashed, i disagree with the "boring design" for characters but i agree with "why so many child looking characters" i don't like that at all. I still can't believe that they put so much love in the animations, the art, music, combat, the characters and world building and they decided to implement one of the worst gameplay to explore or tell a story, TVs. I like it in the Hollow Zero mode, you don't have to worry about the Observation Data and you're building a deck, is cool. But for the story? I do not skip any cutscene or comic-style cutscene BUT as soon as they enter in the TV mode i don't know what they're saying because i'm skipping that part as fast as i can just to get to the fun part wich is Combat, Cutscenes or the amazing Comic-Style Cutscenes. I really hope they can upgrade this game and make the "Hollow Exploration" a true exploration mission, i'm not asking for an open world like Genshin, (would be awesome, this urban sci-fi style is amazing) imagine Rally missions but bigger, something like that. Energy system, i hate it, in Genshin, WuWa, ToF and here. Can't wait for the day, they decide to develop a game just for PC and Consoles without this bs mobile limitations and monetization. I like the game, i'm really looking forward to see how they improve it and for the love of god, i hope they do not make events for 5 years olds like they did with Genshin. Lack of care to the community and those bs events for kids is the reason i dropped Genshin. I really want to see Hoyoverse giving back some love to the community, i can't believe they're still giving 40-60 polychromes as rewards for events, funny thing, one of the events it's called "don't be greedy". Holy mother of Grace.
26:48 because the main dish is the whole story that you skipped? why do people complain that when there's nothing to do after you rush the whole game and skip the story?
id play ace attorney, danganronpa, or literally any visual novel than go through the slop of this story ever again, and the story being shit isnt even the pont. The point is that this is supposedly a combat focused game with more story slop, side slop, than actual combat. I played first descendant skipping literally all the story parts just fine and "rushing" the game and it didnt effect my experience for shit because those devs actually let you play the fking game and has content that puts gameplay first and not some story nonsense thats mid at best.
@@tae699 Sorry but the story isn't mid, at least for me, in chapter 1 we have espionage, gang violence, police brutality, media manipulation, deep Web activities, domestic terrorism, corporate misconduct, are we even playing the same game lol?
I'm gonna waiting till v1.1 ZZZ livestream and if ZZZ devs are being Genshin-dev level of Unreceptiveness and dont get rid of/minimize TV, I will QUIT. There are Azur Promillia, NTE (Neverness to EverNess) and Project Mugen coming out so yah, I dont really have to stick to ZZZ.
The problem isn't just TVs, the combat itself is also repetitive. Doesn't matter what team you build, gameplay stays the same, the only thing that changes are animations and number colors.
@@kreftl I Mean yeah, the only good thing that zzz has to offer are its animations, everything else is pretty mid, and the free 100 pulls only made them look desperate for attention
ZZZ is easily an 8! Its the coolest and best balanced gacha-game out there in aspects off grinding diffeculty! NO annoying open-world, a cute cozy city with lots to explore and a lot of cute little stories, supercool satisfying fights, lovely but also crazy characters, all the features and things you can do are so cool. Also all these puzzles in the caves - a wonderfull new and innovative way in the gacha-world! Next to Wuthering Waves its the best and most entertaining ga-ga "for me". And who dont want to own and manage a vhs-rentalstore ;-) Played to level 30 in three days because I couldnt stop. Just bought the battlepass but got already so much luck getting grace, soukaku 4x, soldier 11, lucy 3x, piper 3x, Ellen, etc. - And DUDE...parries are soooo satisfying! AND its a good thing its a bit easier as other gacha grind games!
This video is 100% correct. Anytime i get a combat commission im so excited to do it but whenever i see an exploration one i just drag ny feet till i have to do it for the exp. The combat is so good, its a shame alot of it is locked behind a long tv system
100% it's too long to have the good moments. The TV thing got to go or just lessen it. I'm already burnt out from all minigames Hoyo had released since Genshin to Star Rail. I just want my well earned S rank character to beat up enemies
I personally was one of the people who was very reluctant to try ZZZ because everyone said it’s hard combat. I tried it nonetheless and while in the first like 2 hours I thought this game is awful it’s now a game I look forward to play every day. Yes, the TVs seem misplaced in some scenarios and are annoying but most of the story content with them is actually fun. I would say if you don’t have Ellen & her Shark the game is way less fun because it’s way harder to clear content. I was lucky and got her on my 7th pull. I’m not at around Internot 35 and the content became super easy so I finally feel good trying the harder content in the game. It’s always interesting hearing you and others complain about the difficulty in the games because for me personally I don’t care for that. I want a good story, fun gameplay and characters I grow to like. But I’m also a girl who likes horses and pink stuff, so maybe I actually am the target audience for those Gachas 😂
I tried ZZZ and it was really fun at the beginning, good story, fun characters, and ngl I really liked the TV. After a while it gets boring shiyu def is not bad, don't really like rogue-like TV it gets repetitive and slowdown after a while, and reaching inter-knot 32 I stopped playing the game because side quests and TV are pretty boring. I played games that "will be fun after 100hrs" before and played until "late game". I saw people recommend reach inter-knot 30 for it to be fun, but maybe the game's "end game" is just not for me. I might hop in here and there but probably not everyday.
Then you’re apart of the problem, they intentionally marketed this game as combat focused and that’s simply just not true getting through those stupid ass puzzles for a couple pieces of combat is infuriating bro. I’m not playing this game to solve long, intricate and super involved puzzles/mysteries this is not a scooby doo game. Everything is tied behind getting through some type of puzzle and mystery in those TV’s, everybody does not have time for that nor do they wanna have to do it every single time.
@@SushiBandzsame here. I’m a try hard invader/PVP enjoyer in Elden Ring and many souls games before it but I really like ZZZ. The vibes are fantastic and the gameplay is fun and satisfying even if it’s not that challenging
I think people are used to "instant noodle" plot diagram instead of cimematic structure like ZZZ. The story seems disjointed but it's not. It's like collecting all the pieces and put them together. I know there are lots of people don't like the TV exploration but it indicates what's happening really well. It does provide beginning, middle and end. Once they improved the clunky TV movement, it'd be great.
Yeah, this game is meant to be taken at a slower pace than all the games he's compairing it to Its pacing is better compaired to Persona, where you're experiencing the world and the people in it
14:21 completely agree on combat; just some nitpicks that make the 'control' feel very off: 1. Accidental double-swapping. Pressing spacebar twice accidentally(or even holding it for more than 0.2s?) double swaps your incoming character and it's super annoying. I run Anton-Grace-Rina and its happened too many times where I use Rina's EX Special expecting to Quick-Assist Anton in but I accidentally double swap to Grace and it ruins the flow completely. 2. Random parry skips? Could be an issue of the double swap again but sometimes I'm expecting to swap in Anton in on a Parry cue but sometimes it's randomly Grace doing the evasive assist instead?? Not sure why or how this happens because I'm absolutely not mispressing 'C' to swap backward. On a rotation where I want to dps with Anton after shocking and using Rina to give PEN Ratio buff, it again completely ruins the rotation because I'm losing time on the Shock application.. 3. C/Spacebar is completely unintuitive for swapping! We don't use 1/2/3 in this game, why didn't they just map it that way? What affects the combat that much that they can't give us control? 4. End-game bosses that take SUPER long to stun that have many various attacks makes the limited 'Parries' super limiting. You barely use all 6 charges in regular content, but in some bosses whoops you've used all 6, guess you can only dodge and get back a few points every now and then. 5. Agree with your take bang-on for forced chain attacks. Sometimes I stun a lowly mob at 1% hp and instead of just using a basic to finish it off i'm forced to swap in off my dps, like bruh. It's only been tolerable since I can quick-assist back in most times but man sometimes I just wanna do things a certain way. 6. Ultimates not having optimal purposes on Supports/Stun characters. 3/4 stunned on a boss but my Anby has no EX Special, and I'm at 3000 decibels? GUESS I'LL NEED TO N3C ONE OR TWO MORE TIMES SO I CAN USE MY ULTIMATE ON MY DPS OR I LOSE OUT ON DAMAGE!! and RIP to the 200-300 decibel charges I'm forgoing on the next cycle to do so because there's no overcap!! Every character having an ultimate that has some use is a TRIED AND TESTED formula across so, so many games - why is it not here!! I love Rina's ultimate and it's grouping capabilities but my Anton ulting just does more damage - why is the game making me feel bad to make such decisions.
They REALLY need to change the image for the disk sets. Most of them shouldn't be different shades of green. It makes it real annoying to find pieces you're looking for because they all look too similar to each other.
30:29 That's also my problem. They made their maps cheap of triangles and squares, dialogue cutscenes are not even animated to save money, the combat instances are actually in the Training Simulator Areas used for testing characters in beta. ZZZ is Hoyoverse easy Cash-Cow game. As long as it has Hoyo branding on it, people will eat that shit since they already have their paid bots as white knights defending their game in every comments sections.
18:55: Mtashed BASED. CRAZY FACT about Gacha Community, esp. Genshin Mobs: The devs either MAKE HUGE Abobas/Peaches or have chars doing something such as poses/idle animation similar to real life figures/ other Cartoon/Anime reference/ VOICED by their fav Voice Actors and they WILL GO CRAZY and PULL even if there is nothing special about that character design. "Aw Aw Aw, Sasuke's JP VA voices Kinich. I am gonna pull for him." "Omg Robin poses look like the one done by Marilyn Monroe. I am gonna get her." "Nicole Abobas are SO BIG (while the model look simple and average and nothing screams HOT, imo). I am gonna MAIN HER." .... P.s: Gacha players are like Babies eating candies for the first time and find it Super Yummy. SO HILARIOUS!
@@memoriesbrokenthetruthgoes9105 its not a fact , because only 9 of u agree and gacha community has like idk millions? So you lost by voice already so its not a fact.
@@choochoo3041 Oh yeah and btw for the main commenter, not ALL gacha players look for ABOBA or HUSBANDOS for example i dont like grace at all but i like rina. Also i play Reverse 1999 which is a gacha game that never use ABOBA bait in the characters and the design is top notch compare to ZZZ, genshin, HSR, and WUWA in my opinion. So yeah we all have taste dont mashed us up together.
7:18 I agree, initially I thought this game was going to be an upgraded version of Honkai impact but it is true that there is little combat to it in comparison to the amount of stuff we have to do between fights.
You have to understand dude every game isn't an open world game.... Every game has its own way of defining itself.... And I think ZZZ did the exact same thing they defined it in their own way....
Yeah I fell for their marketing about the game being combat focused. The SF collab made me expect a lot of things and got me hyped up. So I was disappointed when the game dropped.
Every single point you said resonated with me. It was exactly how I felt with the game. Before I dropped it I was one oof those players that played ZZZ and WuWa. I was enjoying both but as days one ton I found myself just not wanting to log in ZZZ. It fell off with me personally because of a numerous things but the main thing was how long it took to get interesting and but the point I lost interest. I gave it a good go but the game isn't for me. Thank you for the good review Mtashed
Fair.. very fair Michael. I did die for the 1st time on lvl 50 of notorious hunt with electro team. Had kamina lvl 40, Grace lvl50 , and Ether booba girl lvl 40. Felt good to be forced to build a bit
I died for the first time today too, after hitting interknot 40 😅 at least at this point in time, first time I started really getting excited to build my characters a bit.
17:55 This exactly my man. I can't get past the amount of children in this game. I try to avoid using them in any gacha, but especially this one because they do feel very weirdly designed. My first 5* was Nekomata, and when I used her ultimate for the first time, I just immediately closed the game. I can't play a game where I have to see a child stick their butt in the air in that weird ass pose everytime I ult. Maybe if I had gotten a different 5*, I would have given this game a try but jesus christ.
There's 3 confirmed kids: Corin, Soukaku, and Ellen. Nekomata is unknown, but she is respected by the Red Fang members, so most likely an adult. Lucy is old enough to drink, and Piper reminisces about her schooldays and calls Lucy a "youngin". It is believed she is in her mid-30's at least. Sorry petite women scare you
@_callahan613 People always give the excuse of "petite women", and yes, while they do exist, I still see them as a child until proven otherwise. Example, let's say you see one of these "adults" who look like children in real life, are you going to approach them the same way you would an adult who doesn't look like a child? Probably not, because you don't know their age. I do not know the age of the characters in this game, and all I see is underdressed children who people are sexualizing, even the ones you stated are actually children. Petite women don't scare me, I just don't know whether they are an adult or not, and thus, I choose not to engage with them. Nekomata is a prime example, you don't know her age but you said the fact she is respected implies she's older, but it really doesn't, it just means she's respected.
@@PowerfulOni Which makes it a you problem. Sorry bud, but if you have to calculate age in your head to make yourself feel normal about a person, the problem is in your head. By the way, the fact that you have different attitude in approaching a child, who also might be an adult, is alarming. Usually you don't approach people with the intention to fuck. Or judge. Or 'look unfaithfully' or whatever. Any person before you is just a person and all assumptions are only yours to deal with. Nothing more, nothing less. (Makes one really wonder how people with such views even tolerate anime aesthetic where childlike simplistic faces is a core visual staple. Why do you hurt yourself that much if you can't escape your own mental gymnastics?)
@SophiteSomewhere So, by your own logic, because I want to approach someone differently because they appear to be a child (even if they are an adult), I am putting off some kind of alarming behavior? I think that's just standard precedent for being a normal functioning adult. You for some reason are bringing up having sex with someone to be an objective of my interactions with said person, which I never said. It does bring up a point that supports my actions though, because if that was my intent, I would make damn sure they are an adult, but I wouldn't be attracted to them anyway if they had the appearance of someone underage. (Or at all for that matter, editing this in so it doesn't get misconstrued. I know someone would try to take it out of context and say "Oh well if they looked older you'd be attracted huh?". This is why you confirm ages with people before getting into any kind of relationship, romantic or not.) Regardless, that's not even the point, the point was that Hoyo is putting characters in suggestive clothing and giving them the appearance of a child or "petite woman" as the defenders would say, and making it seem like there isn't something wrong with that. They are intentionally designing the characters this way and making it "okay" by saying, "oh she's like 30 years old though". That, is some weird shit, and I will die on that hill.
zzz just started off wrong in my opinion but i still love it i dont see it as wuwa or genshin i think this hoyo is trying to draw a different audience cause this game reminds me me of persona
Isn't this just a remake of HI3? But american style? They were going for a combat lover audience in a gacha genre which trust me there are not a lot of them. Mostly they are from China only. And PGR and HI3 already got CN combat player community in chains there. From what I see the audience they are trying for are coomer, furries and PDF's.
@@HazardToneNot really. If you have ever played Persona or any jrpg for that matter, you can kind of see some elements from them seeping into ZZZ. It just has action combat instead of turn based combat.
@@HazardTone Thats pushing it in that case every asianic game draws in pdf coomers and furries its they culture bro i haven’t seen a single game from china that don’t have sexualized women or “wanna-be adult” children or furry they got to have at least one😂
they handholding me in the combat is the most annoying thing for me. also the beginner tv sections are just too much. the story in the beginning also feels lacking solely because of the tv sections. id rather hear paimon shout to my ear or yangyang yapping than play any tv shit
Glad to see someone like you point out ZZZs flaws. ZZZ is a sims game with a comat mini game. The story ive played was a 9/10 and pretty much everything else that wasn't combat was exceptional. However the combat framework is really good, but their difficulty progression mirrors retail wow. Which is pathetic. It feels like they didnt even bother balancing the early game. If they made the Tv mode skippable I might come back and try the game again.
yeah, they had the maps, just put some portals there and let us run through and collect everything on the way and let us learn how to use characters at the same time. I played one evening and not going back.
Just like Jenshin, ZZZ isn't the top tier choice for a game on stream. After the dailies and spend your resources, what will you do , lmao? The engagement still goes hard on other platforms thou, for how much we don't know, but as the latest HYV game, doing even less than WuWa is a very bad outlook (if you are Da Wei and Company).
Truth be told this is a thing in all gacha games. Vast majority of people watch streams when a new patch drops to see their favorite streamer reacting to the new story or clearing the refreshed endgame content (Shiyu Defense, MoC, Spiral Abyss, Tower of Adversity etc.). Nobody wants to watch a streamer doing common grind or completing some side quest which 80% of people don't care about.
Got some conflicting opinions from me but the fact that they thought the collab news with SF was a good idea, this early.. was a bad idea Since it just tells people "hey we have combat galore" even more and the whole TV thing just wasn't talked from them
for the pull parts i got 190 limited pulls actually by spending all those polychromes and additional 12 spare limited pulls(excluding 500 polychromes from the bangboo event). and the 5 each limited plus standard from monthly. i cleared story all story quest and achievements and 90% of the hollow zero achievements. also i got 140 standards and probably 150 ish bangboo pulls. (F2P Interknot 40 no refresh) i can say the pulls they gave on 1.0 is quite a lot
@@pforpotatoe1980 i play since day 1, and it depends on how long u willing to spend ur time searching hidden mission and doing hdd exploration. It took me like 2 weeks.
I've never played one of these gachas and had no intention to because the aesthetics of these games are so samey. I genuinely thought that Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail were the same game until I started looking into ZZZ. From the perspective of someone being onboarded into all this nonsense, this game plays fairly well. Simpler than other titles I'd imagine but a lot of its depth for now is optional, and it feels good to really dive into optimization without being forced to, especially for a game that launched 2 weeks out. I hit level 45 just yesterday and I'm still unlocking new things, and the new core mode seems like it has some additional depth to it. The social aspects are fun and really flesh out characters that I otherwise didn't care about. I didn't give a shit about Rina at all until her character story, which is one of the more satisfying short stories I've played this year. My biggest gripe right now is the energy system, but otherwise? I've had a great time with it.
To be completely honest, ZZZ is not the game that most people thought it was gonna be, and unfortunately, this led to a lot of the community not enjoying it. A lot of the community thought it was going to be something like hi3 or pgr, just with TV exploration, and it was not that at all. I also thought it was like this from the first few trailers, but after researching and looking more into the game from cbt or other stuff, my entire approach to ZZZ changed and it made my playing experience better on launch. To put it simply, ZZZ is like if the Persona gacha game had hi3/pgr like combat instead of it being Turn-based. And if you play ZZZ with the mindset of it being like a gacha jrpg, you will really start to understand the game more, and hopefully like it more. Such as, the gameplay loop, story, pacing, etc. Unfortunately, Mtashed, even with having access to the Beta, still went into ZZZ with the mindset that it was an action focused game and came out of it disappointed. Not blaming or hating him for it, but we have already heard countless times that he’s not built for gacha games, or these type of time gated games. So I don’t understand why he would jump into ZZZ expecting something when he should already know that it’s probably not what he wants in a game. Which in turn makes his review of any gacha game feel heavily bias and unreliable. It’s like if someone did not enjoy eating raw fish, and you give him a sushi course to review. It may be the best tasting sushi in the world, but if they don’t like raw fish, then they’re review is already going to be negatively impacted. And I know Mtashed is semi-playing/covering ZZZ because it brings in views, and views equals money, but is it really worth it if he’s not having as much fun as he would be with covering/playing other games that aren’t gacha? Like if someone wants guides, they’ll seek out better guide making channels. Most people just go to Mtashed for him, not his guides. Hell, he didn’t even read Zhu Yuan’s kit to fully understand her before starting his guide video and had to redo all of it on stream after like 20 mins. TLDR: -Play ZZZ with a jrpg mindset and you might like it more. -FFS stop covering/playing gacha games Mtashed, you don’t like them. Not trying to bring hate, just want you to have fun making content and not burn out and quit.
@@HazardToneI know there is more to combat but the more he's talking is literally in every other game, even the ones where flashy combat isn't the focus while also saying he saw it more with the banner 5 stars to really see it. 😅 Maybe I'm just used to combat games that gives you more freedom in how you can express yourself in your combos but this game is just lacking it.
@@blackstar-genX yep the game is restrictive normally a combat game is supposed to give you freedom of control but here the system forces you to enable the mechanics
the deal breaker for me is that there are no husbandos. I still gave it a chance and the combat felt pretty meh, I basically agree with what you said about it. It just doesn't feel good to play.
I didn't play it when I heard the TVs are still the same, there's no way I'd play whatever that is in my free time, 24h+ to get some fun? Nah, I'm good. I've noticed that the time spent on the TVs is more than the combat. Can't be real, right?
Thank you. Whenever I point out just how sexualized some of this characters are, I feel ALONE, like I'm the only crazy person seeing it like that. It's not just that they think it's ok to be a perv, for some of these people, it is like something to be proud of. And you can see, day after day how it gets more and more normalized, more available to kids in games for every age. But of course these people don't have children or will ever be in a situation where having a children is something that can realistically happen, so they just don't care, they just gave up.
Did you look at the rating of the game before you played it? Everything you dislike is in the ratings. If you think mature themes make you a perv, then you should play less mature and more light-hearted games. There's nothing wrong with the game. It's just not for you.
@@derekosgood3230 Yeah, like ratings matter outside a physical store, ZZZ is by no means marketed for a mature audience btw. Some of us have other people to care and think about so blindfolding myself doesn't solve the problem. This is a universal trend, , if I have something to say, I'm gonna say it.
@@miguerys9503I don’t think it’s exactly responsible to blame game devs for expressing what they want in their game when it’s up to the parents of said-children to monitor what they have on their phones. Parents who just throw children onto phones without checking what they’re doing are more problematic because they let social media and technology raise their kids.
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I like how they let us skip the main story quest but not side quests lmao
😂😂
That’s sad
That's wild 😂
That's so cringe...really?
true. should be the opposite
1:33 "We are taking pictures of cats, forced to take naps... " 🤣
AAAAAll the time! Hoyo in a nutshell. 😂
Sounds like a certain Atlus game
real shit though. need reviews like this for normal people who can’t just play every game for a week and actually gotta choose what to do in their free time
I am that kind of person and I chose to play zzz, doing main quests on Saturdays. Haven't completed the story yet. And I like this game.
Honestly, this game is better for people who have less time. Can use up to 100 battery on farming so that's faster (also props to free 60 battery refresh everyday for F2P). Genshin takes weeks or months to fully explore newly released areas. I can't speak for HSR, HI3, or WuWa though as I don't play those.
@@masonwong2418HSR will always have the best daily grind just due to the AFK feature of it. So pick the player picks their poison.
@@masonwong2418it’s not made for anyone of that sort you make time for what you have weather you have the Time for the game or something else
Keep in mind a lot of these reviews are for entertainment just as equally as information. Putting in small little nickpicks constantly causes discussion between those who do and don't agree and boosts engagement and metrics, after all here I am contributing by simply explaining the concept. So don't take everything at face value, even when you think someone is being entirely genuine. Some creators build up a profile of being in a certain position or relationship to particular companies and their* content will reflect that in how they represent themselves and their feelings on those products/companies.
The only thing you need to know about the story is... Hans is a REAL BRO.
Yea
Hans is Our Bro 😂🔥🔥
imo the problem with the tv sections isnt that puzzles are boring, its that they arent puzzles at all but just sections where you follow basic instructions, if they actually required some thought i think people would like them way more, maybe they could have exploration missions be only puzzles and combat missions be only combat as a compromise. as it is i dont mind them for what they are i just wish they were actually challenging
based loli hater though
i also dont think its super reasonable to expect a game to be super balls hard 3 chapters in
@zachary_gongaga it's reasonable for most games. One because some games are hard by default an two because most games have difficulty options for hard an very hard modes.
The funny thing is zzz has a "hard mode" that isn't hard lmao
@@crowing3886 not to be too inflammatory but your in your first sentence you said it's reasonable to expect it in most games and in the next you said that SOME games do it, like maybe there's a reason only some games do it, I'm a souls fan but I'm more than fine with games having a difficulty curve, not all games have to teach you exclusively through trial and error the way those games do
@@crowing3886 Thats the challenge mode. The story commission hard mode scales higher on difficulty than the challenge settings. It will scale up enemy Hp so much spongier, but they also do more damage. Doesn't really introduce more attacks in the attack patterns, but I sense that Hoyo is reserving more engaging attack patterns for future enemies so each enemy would still have varied move sets.
Difficulty in gacha games are not static. And typically, the harder content is within the optional modes. So story and exploration commissions aren't that as those will have to be completed. I dont remember a gacha game with difficult streamlined in-story combat.
later on "puzzles" get more interesting, but can't blame them too much. People were throwing fits over simplest "puzzles" in Genshin. Absolute madness.
It feels weird that i agree to all of your points but love the game because of them. I'm currently 40lvl and couldnt understand the controversy at all, ty for actually explaining it unlike other toxic people
Same. I totally get some people calling it mediocre, but everything is working for me personally. Love the game
If you didn't skip the story and liked it, that'll carry you through the early game until you reach the more interesting stuff. Think of the prologue and chapter 1 as one really long tutorial.
The characters really are the only redeeming feature of the early game. It's strange (in a good way) to have a gacha protagonist with an actual personality and dialogue.
Honestly, it seems like how you feel about the TV Hollow exploration system is the biggest deciding factor. If you don't like it at all, like Mtashed here, you will simply suffer the game. But I personally like it a lot as a unique and ludo-narratively interesting take on how to tell this game's story, so I don't begrudge it at all, and the game remains enjoyable to me when they happen.
There's a lot of yapping in this game, and if you add the TV system with it you'll be like 3:1 with actual combat. So sure, maybe the story is good underneath all the other mechanics but for a good amount of people it's not worth the time, especially if you value gameplay above all else. Get rid of the TV system and the game will immediately be dramatically better.
50+ hours here and level 38, really having a blast!
IMO this is a HOYO problem in general. I tried starting genshin recently and holy hell the amount of unskippable yapping that goes on is insane. Im playing multiyear old content and im forced to give a crap which is wild to me.
Yeah man. All their games are good, but are held back by hoyo mini games and stuff. If they just go all in with the core gameplay of their games, it would be so much better. For example, if they focused on adding new game modes or expanding the map permanently in genshin, it would just be a better game. But they focus on short term content and mini games instead
@@inser3882 yeah I actually didn't hate genshin but I had to stop playing because in order for me to progress I had to do quests and they are so kind numbing to me. I just do not care about stories in these games and just want to slap some monsters around. HSR is lucky is the best turn based gacha game or I'd stop playing that too. The amount of yapping that's unskippable in hsr sucks too but the game is so good it kind of makes up for it. I'm just so far behind in genshin that I can't justify it and will just continue to love playing wuwa.
@@inser3882 its alright for me, it makes me appreciate the other competitor's charm and different takes
I can’t go back to genshin after tectone opened my eyes bro..
True… quit genshin cuz i got no time to spam spacebar anymore 😂
It seems to me that the pacing of ch. 1 was not a good way to start the game or retain players. Also too many good features are kept from players for too long.
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Personally? I was in love the moment I played it. I'm an artsy nigga, so the JetSetRadio/BombRushCyberfunk/Hi-FiRush/Persona vibes did it all for me. The music, the style, the visuals, shiiit I even liked the TVs but that's life. What appeals to one person isn't what will appeal to another. I also keep in mind that mrtashed is just wired differently from me. He needs intense consistent engagement or he falls off, I'm not a casual gamer, heck no, but I can enjoy slow pacing and of the 3 games (ZZZ, Genshin, HSR) the ZZZ story gripped me harder from the start. Probably because it feels the most familiar, New Eridu looks like a city you could go to.
Could not agree more, this is 100% my feeling playing this game. The slower pace in a realistic fun setting, mixed with stylish flashy combat that has flow and weight to it works for me.
An artsy wHAT
Zenless definitely has a lot more "Slice of Life" vibes to it a lot of the time compared to something like HSR. It has a modern feel to it where you can feel like you could live in the world compared to the Fantasy world of Genshin or the futuristic Sci-fi that is HSR
Agreed fr
“Im an artsy nigga” LMAO that’s hilarious brother 😂
This felt like I was listening to myself speak for 50mins, 100% spot on everything you said. I am doing my daily's in the hopes that in the near future the game will be changed but I am not putting anymore time into this game.
31:45 to 34:59 I agree to this opinions. It's so confusing at times when choosing engines, disk drives, and skill while not knowing there is actually a shortcut or easy way to skim through.
Tip: Use the Compendium for fast travel. The Go button is next to each combat activity.
I think the game is meant for console players. The entire UI feels so much better playing with a controller. For mobile, it feels weird not having a tap on character to talk to them, tap on door to open, you have to use an action key and be facing whatever you want to interact with. For me, I’ve just been doing maybe 1-2 story missions a day and burn my energy. It’s been sort of tedious even when breaking everything up. This game definitely reminds me of astral chain on Nintendo switch with the aesthetics and combat and there’s no TVs so it’d be interesting to see if they borrowed a lot of inspiration from that game.
It’s because ZZZ is like if the Persona gacha game had action combat, instead of turn based combat. So if you play ZZZ as if it was like a traditional jrpg, your playing experience changes immensely.
Yeah the "artifacts" in this game look WAY too similar to each other, countless times when im making them in the music store I think im making one set when in fact im making a different one i didnt want to make and just wasted resources
This is a good review. I agree on just about all of it. I'm having fun but you are right the down time swallows the time spent fighting and or doing something fun
Honestly I think the TV thing is a very clever way to tell story.
TV is boring as hell (imao)
YES. THAT is a SUBJECTIVE OPINION of the "pro-TV" MINORITY. Meanwhile, MAJORITY OF ppl hate it.
I'm with you, I enjoy it.
@@choochoo3041 oh, have you done a poll to showcase that?
W-engine and Light cone weapon archetype are one of the best implementation, characters cannot be lock with weapon archetype such as sword spear bow catalyst etc. you can have gun, Gatling gun, sniper, drills, dual swords, fan pizza slicer, scythe, axes, baseball bat, broom etc. as a weapon.
ZZZs combat felt like WUWAs combat with training wheels. Its like theyre spoon feeding the players on what to do. It felt like i didnt have to think or decide on anything the game does it for me. It didnt feel like i was the one playing. Its like Hoyo only thinks of the younger or casual players and that theyre afraid that a challenging game will scare them off
bro if you want challenge why are you playing gacha games 😂😂😂
You obviously didn't get too far into the game
Same. With the way they do their combat switching, they should just make it AUTO-COMBAT. The game is just made to look flashier with a tap of a button inside a training simulator.
@@nebuchadness you didn't get to far in the game either did you?
@@Churchless you're damn right i didn't. The game was boring and the tv mode sucked and if you tell me the game starts to be good after playing for a couple of days then bro that's not a good game
Thanks for the honest review MTashed, I like how he actually took his time to appreciate the game in all its faculties and give an honest opinion. Imma still play ZZZ it kinda is my type of game but really appreciate the opinion you've given me that is more valuable than other streamers that play 1 min and say the game is trash.
Mega agree with the Twin Marionettes. I could feel my brain waking up for the first time and admire their moves. Their singing when reviving is also phenomenal both the audio and the mechanic which actually makes you think and act differently than just mashing through mobs.
Indeed. The only good enemy in the entire game.
As a Destiny player, I'd love to hear your opinion on 'The First Descendant', it's a really good looter shooter. I downloaded ZZZ but never even started playing because I'm hooked, no filler content like hoyo games
More mtashed channel is covering it
Its literally just korean warframe. Why not just play warframe? 😂
Yeah I've been enjoying it too
@@MTashed Imagine a Destiny/Warframe/First Descendant game but gacha. We get to farm for gear as much as we want but the characters we get it from gacha. I'd need a diaper for the amount of cooming.
Even I started to hate the TV in my living room after playing this game for 2 days 📺🔨
LMAOOO
Belobog company story arc was amazing tbh
Honestly everything after chapter 1 is really good (story wise). And funnily enough some of the events later on make what happened in chapter one better in hindsight.
49:14 this is the one of the rare times I got impressed by mTashed's maturity and way of saying
True, play the game you enjoy, just ignore the negative comments, peace.
For a combat-focused game with a supposed focus on combos and such, it's the most sauceless pasta combat system I've ever played
As someone who tries to be stylish during combat and not caring for gears, artifacts, etc, I often find myself feeling like there's not much room for any expression. Most battles end up feeling similar to one another: parry this, perfect dodge-counter that, mash a little until you can use the EX specials, pull up the chain, repeat... and aside from visuals, I don't really feel anything
Visual spectacle is the only real style I'm getting, not what I as a player have done to achieve it
There is definitely more depth than what you described. Characters have hidden tech and swap tech more advanced than WW.
Its like the game focuses more on swap based combat, rather than solo character combat.
Personally, I feel like there is more skill expression in this game, but it boils down to if the player wants to find it.
Low skill floor and high skill ceiling is that they are aiming for. I think most complaints about the combat comes from the skill floor.
@@wraithhethose are aaa 70 dollar games tho 😭 the difference is always gonna be clear when comparing a gacha game
@@notsolocallocalalien1034Hoyo is a billion-dollar company earning $100M a month. With those resources, their games should be held to high standards, just like $70 AAA titles.
@@notsolocallocalalien1034 Bro a charachter in Hoyo games are MORE money than those games
@@oyshikaadi9631 ZZZ haters when the depth in the game's combat isn't visible at surface level:
one of the main things I hate in this game, is that the TV section, it wasn't enough that it was grabbing me away from combat but there's missions that require to complete 3 floors of TV...bruh, Im' just like whyyyy.
Honestly my biggest complaint 😭 it just takes too much time (for me) and I'd rather do something else
Wait until you get to IK40 and have to do the 99 floors of the endless dungeon
@@zackeryh250 bruh I saw that endless shi I was like nope, I just stopped hahahaha
it rly comes down to the lack of combat and the player being disengaged from the combat for long periods of time. I think the hollow should be an actual explorable area with a ton of different floors which they could gradually add as the story progresses.They need to upgrade the rally missions and add co-op to them, make side content that keeps the player engaged and gaining meaningful progression.
With the combat i think they should add an option continuing the combo with the same character instead waiting for the time to run out. It would give you more control over the combat.
Im majorly invested in 4 Gachas at moment, WuWa, Snowbreak CZ, PtN and this, and the one i look forward to jumping on most i this one, for me it just feels new, varied and interesting with first class aesthetics. Big thumbs up for not reviewing the story as you skipped it, the number of reviews where the reviewer said the story was bad but skipped all of it is shameful
Regarding building out characters (21:33) I've invested 50 hours into the game, I'm interknot level 38, I'm completely free to play and I have missed one day of coffee. I currently have 6 characters that are level 40, I have 7 W engines that are level 40, and all 6 of those characters have maxed out all of their skills to level 7 and activated all passive upgrades (A, B, and C). I have not spent any premium currency on energy refreshes and have used every battery (+60 energy) they have given me. I still have materials to upgrade both characters and weapons and have plenty of in game money, with plenty of in game content to still finish (several character guests, main story, shiyu defense, etc.) If you're smart about managing your resources you can get 2 teams to level 40 without refreshing your energy. Hope this is helpful info for some of you gamers, Peace and Love!
Dead ass, Mtashed was trying to level up a W-engine and went into a character ascension mat domain instead, using up 80 energy for ascension mats. He also uses stamina to level people for the free pulls. Followed up with leveling said new character to see if they’re good, instead of just playing their demo or watching a vid about them.
He just impulsively uses resources for things without thinking, and then forgets that he did it.
You can check his Twitch Vods for more moments like those.
This. I have around 2 million dennies being f2p and I have almost maxed 2 teams. I think it's mostly because he skips alot of side missions and that's where all the fights and resources are.
@@nerio1227 one of the biggest differences I'm noticing is I haven't invested into any disc drives (aside from getting 4 to +3 for progression) whereas Tashman has several +15 yellow rarity disc drives
@@justkubz I have several 15s aswell and I'm still full of resources. Maybe he leveled more of them and then disassembled them? I don't know. I'm not wasting my stuff at least. Only focusing on 6 characters and 2 bangboos.
as f2p I hit level 41 just today. at lv 40 you are poor asf. I couldnt level my 2 teams or engines. It will take me up to 43 probably to do it.
also some remarks. at lv 40 combat weekly bosses will kill your chars and you will be surprised that a member of team dies from time to time.
I agree that the downtime between combats during missions is absurd... and the fights are pretty short to boot.
For me Hollow zero was soo boring at the first couple of stages, I thought it will be like that for all stages, but it became more interesting with other stages fortunately, although for how long...
To me the flow of combat right now is pretty much always the same: stay on field with stunner until enemy is stunned, chain attack buff, dps enemy down, repeat. That's all. Maybe with more characters it will become more interesting.
About kids, to me Genshin is worse, the models of Nahida and the like is just pure weird to play with, but I do agree that not many characters feel especially outstanding rn :/
I generally don't do screenshots in games, but for some reason I enjoy it in this one using the in-built camera, although it's pretty limited..
I play on PS5 and like the main menu structure and that we can set animated wallpapers of our favorite characters, but other than that, I'm on the same opinion about UI and icons as you.
I've reached lvl 40 today and completed all quest up till now. I feel like the honeymoon phase slowly starts to end and I begin to see what this game will be after it: a WAITFEST.
It is absurd tò me that genshin player thinks genshin combat Is Better than zzz combat lol
I rather have nothing to do in wuwa and spend my time farming all the 3 cost echoes than playing zzz, it's a personal thing and I tried
Same 😭
Yeah this is what I keep saying. When people ask for a little more difficulty, they arent asking for dark souls I wanna be the boshy tier difficulty. Just basic incentive to use your brain a little bit. Devilmaycry does this beautiful as an action game with the scoring system; it gives incentive to change it up and play well for better grades and rewards. In an action game you gotta give some sort of motivation to use your brain, otherwise its just autopilot and mind numbing.
I mostly agree. It took a long time for me to start enjoying the game, yet still it's not enough fun (lets say how it is - it's not for me). Also here i have no excitement over chasing after banner characters. UI bit i would say was too critical, but i see the point. It's style over everything (the whole game is just style everywhere) and when you press esc i think this menu is pretty clean. Small icons\buttons not really a problem (on pc). Incomparable to other mobile games with their shit ui\menus, you just need to get used to it. Combat gets better the moment you try to understand what your characters can do and there are advanced tricks to combat as well for people who want to try harder. Not a fan of character designs and overall design mix (some are okay, some not, imo). Npcs are step above Hoyos previous games, like regular people on streets are different and good looking for an npc (not a fan of non human looking ones though). Personally i hate everything non combat here and there is more of it than combat. It's not a Persona game.
38:00
We all know that this is the endgame experience.
It's not shiyu defense, it's not hollow zero... It's doing your daily chores and basically waiting. It's pretty sad how fast we got to this point.
Every gacha game is like this tbh but instanced games like zenless zone zero suffer from this way more than games like genshin or WuWa.
When you have a big open world you can at least open a couple chests everyday and feel like you're doing progress towards the next banner. But ZZZ? There is no world to explore.
When you're done, you're done and this happens waaay too fast.
I'm pretty casual myself. I barely explored the world of wuthering waves and even after playing genshin for 4 years since day one... I still have barely touched sumeru's exploration and we're almost at natlan. So when I ran out of stuff to do in ZZZ by BARELY playing... I was shocked.
I guess the best mentality to enjoy a gacha game is basically just have your fun and move on to another game. Because the more you play the higher the chances that you're gonna grow bitter overtime.
what you said last is kinda true, but then you follow on the dilemma that mtashed has talked a lot about, the game is built for you to not play much, but it also punishes you for not playing. To me, it feels like the Hoyo model is not very good bcs it tried to incorporate all the systems mobile games have while also demanding much more time and attention. Its like taking the worst of both wolrds.
After 3 years of Genshin I don't need more of these dead open worlds and it's why I got bored of Wuwa after 2 weeks. But for a new player that plays Genshin or Wuwa for the first time it's a great experience.
Imma be real I much prefer the tv over the rally missions. Rally missions is just run to one point to another, theres nothing to look at or do in between
TV is great but using TV to play "detective" type game is extremely boring and lazy.
@@immamlgproo TVs are much better later on with lots of fun puzzle. However, I like Rally stages more cuz you have to look for chests besides combat.
I understand liking the TVs for a lot of reasons, but mihoyo and these gachas barely have any idea on how to do mission design. When we get the bare minimum with things like the rally missions or wuwa act 6 we gotta ask for more of that, they should be combined with the tvs, I guarantee the player retention of ZZZ would be much higher if they introduced the first 2 rally missions as the nekomata part of the prologue and made the whole train section playable, as in you guide them through the tvs and then defeat the enemies and interact with the environment along side combat
@@IgorJCorrea speaking of which, ZZZ'd be huge if they balanced out the amount of TVs & Combats since launch. However, they unnecessarily losing so many players due to TVs exploration. Hope people will comeback after 1.1 with new features.
WuWa did get better after 1.1 so ZZZ.
Ikr, these people hating on the TV system like just stfu and quit, don't play the game, I myself would love more TV exploration like the Hallow Zero and stuffs, i had enough of Open world because genshin midact ruined me
thank you for saying what I have been feeling about the combat. zzz is sold on its combat, but my gripe is that the game won't stop handholding my fighting experience. it's especially present when you are forced to switch characters to continue a chain. You can almost button mash 2 buttons for a whole fight ( wow, real interactive gameplay), Honestly the game would feel better for me if they turned off the forced switching and just let me choose the timings on my switches. Even if I fail, just give me the wheel.
just finished my semester, its been months since I last played these games. Its fascinating to see ur vids again man. Hope you get to 1 mil subs, SUBSCRIBE!!
I have 50 hrs in it and I'm not done with the story yet. Lol
In the middle of Chapter 2 and having to be told to take a literal nap killed a lot of the pacing at the moment.
But u are clearly a paid off mihoyo actor.
i was playing for 5 days and was surprised i was still in the tutorial lol
@@Jellomancy?, played up to act 3, everything felt pretty natural, like time passes, you know
One thing that really bothers me about the UI is you can't even see what level your W-engine is from the equipment screen without clicking on it again to see the details. I don't know how that stuff makes it past beta.
That’s the thing I want them to fix asap
Honestly the UI for this game is so confusing. I don’t even know where to look
IMO skipping the story loses a lot of engagement in the game or any Gatcha games in general. I think ZZZ's story gets better in every chapter, now it's one of my main motivation for the game.
I don’t understand why Mtashed would play these type of gacha games, because a huge factor that hooks people into continue playing is the story. If he wanted a more action based game then he should just play WuWa, Hi3, Pgr, etc. Or better yet, stop playing gacha games and just cover games that he enjoys more like D2 or First Descendant.
Gatcha games do tend to sell the characters, and a good way to sell them outside of just design and trailers is the story for the character within the game.
Compare it to HSR, Firefly for instance had a lot of story behind her and people absolutely loved her, myself included. Meanwhile, Argenti was added in and a number of people were like "who?" and thus he was skipped by a number of people. The story helps in selling the characters to the players, not just their designs and mechanics.
@@TheWaifuConnoisseurhe already covered that multiple times. He likes the start of gacha games, and zzz was advertised as combat focused, which he covered in this video.
@@alreadyd1d But he’s done that now with like 3 gacha games, and every single time he slowly gets bored of them, and moves on to the next. But he really enjoys playing the first descendant, Destiny 2, Elden Ring, or other non-gacha type games. At that point he should just play the games he knows he’ll like instead of trying to find this mythical gacha game that he keeps on saying he wants to find.
@@TheWaifuConnoisseur I told you that he LIKES to play gacha games at the begging. Why should he stop doing that, if he enjoys them, and makes money off of it? It's illogical.
Nah having everything be rally missions would be even more of a drag. Don't mix combat with anything other than combat please .
I agree. Rally missions are fine, but they just play like most other games. How is it better to run from one switch lever to another compared to the TV board?
@@alexandrem798because of instead of a TV simulation of using bombs to derail the train, you play the actual level to derail the train.
It's good to have your opinion that doesn't just say I love everything that hoyoverse does. They definitely need to fix a lot
Another issue is that the typical leveling and progression system of hoyo is really slowing down the experience. Because you can't easily try and test out different team comps even if you are a whale - it takes forever to raise a team...
This is straight up the most honest review I've seen so far. ZZZ has to have some of the worst progress I've seen in a Gacha game, and I've played TOF lol. I'm especially glad he touched on it's terrible ui structure. It needs as much work as the rest of the game. It seems each game's ui has gotten progressively worst after Genshin imo, but i play on controller. I don't think most ppl who've reached endgame will drop it tho. Mostly cuz it's easy to keep up with, once your over the initial hump. I did actually enjoy the main story, juries still up on Agent stories. But everything in-between sadly lived upto it's name, and had me 💤... 😴
I’m 100% with you on this game has to many children… like you can’t build a cohesive team without a child on the team. Really deters me from playing.
Kind of a dumb reason not to use characters. Piper is one of the best units you can have, especially as f2p, and I see people skip over her just because of her young appearance.
@@HaruhiDream5339 the issue isn't children in itself, it's how provocative the children are shown
@plutox.x I wouldn't exactly call midriffs and shorts provocative, and the stylization is more punk than anything.
This is his social experiment
On himself? 😂
@@eusoffchan2004 on people. He said so before Arlecchino was released.
@@eusoffchan2004 on people. He said so before Arlecchino release
Great review Mtashed, i disagree with the "boring design" for characters but i agree with "why so many child looking characters" i don't like that at all.
I still can't believe that they put so much love in the animations, the art, music, combat, the characters and world building and they decided to implement one of the worst gameplay to explore or tell a story, TVs.
I like it in the Hollow Zero mode, you don't have to worry about the Observation Data and you're building a deck, is cool. But for the story? I do not skip any cutscene or comic-style cutscene BUT as soon as they enter in the TV mode i don't know what they're saying because i'm skipping that part as fast as i can just to get to the fun part wich is Combat, Cutscenes or the amazing Comic-Style Cutscenes.
I really hope they can upgrade this game and make the "Hollow Exploration" a true exploration mission, i'm not asking for an open world like Genshin, (would be awesome, this urban sci-fi style is amazing) imagine Rally missions but bigger, something like that.
Energy system, i hate it, in Genshin, WuWa, ToF and here. Can't wait for the day, they decide to develop a game just for PC and Consoles without this bs mobile limitations and monetization.
I like the game, i'm really looking forward to see how they improve it and for the love of god, i hope they do not make events for 5 years olds like they did with Genshin. Lack of care to the community and those bs events for kids is the reason i dropped Genshin. I really want to see Hoyoverse giving back some love to the community, i can't believe they're still giving 40-60 polychromes as rewards for events, funny thing, one of the events it's called "don't be greedy". Holy mother of Grace.
26:48 because the main dish is the whole story that you skipped?
why do people complain that when there's nothing to do after you rush the whole game and skip the story?
Word
Gacha brain rot basically
Didn't they Market the game as a combat focused game? Which is literally 10% of the game lmao
id play ace attorney, danganronpa, or literally any visual novel than go through the slop of this story ever again, and the story being shit isnt even the pont. The point is that this is supposedly a combat focused game with more story slop, side slop, than actual combat. I played first descendant skipping literally all the story parts just fine and "rushing" the game and it didnt effect my experience for shit because those devs actually let you play the fking game and has content that puts gameplay first and not some story nonsense thats mid at best.
@@tae699 Sorry but the story isn't mid, at least for me, in chapter 1 we have espionage, gang violence, police brutality, media manipulation, deep Web activities, domestic terrorism, corporate misconduct, are we even playing the same game lol?
Amazing review. Mtashed said literally everything that I felt about the game incredibly precisely.
This game changed my life
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This game cure my game addiction
I'm gonna waiting till v1.1 ZZZ livestream and if ZZZ devs are being Genshin-dev level of Unreceptiveness and dont get rid of/minimize TV, I will QUIT. There are Azur Promillia, NTE (Neverness to EverNess) and Project Mugen coming out so yah, I dont really have to stick to ZZZ.
The problem isn't just TVs, the combat itself is also repetitive. Doesn't matter what team you build, gameplay stays the same, the only thing that changes are animations and number colors.
Are You talking about genshin too?
Can't wait for the " I Quit" video
The games not that compelling to play on a long term so I think the video's gonna come out soon
😂
can't blame him when the game isn't really something mtashed will like
@@kreftl I Mean yeah, the only good thing that zzz has to offer are its animations, everything else is pretty mid, and the free 100 pulls only made them look desperate for attention
sucks to be stuck covering zzz when there is nothing to cover on wuwa
ZZZ is easily an 8! Its the coolest and best balanced gacha-game out there in aspects off grinding diffeculty! NO annoying open-world, a cute cozy city with lots to explore and a lot of cute little stories, supercool satisfying fights, lovely but also crazy characters, all the features and things you can do are so cool. Also all these puzzles in the caves - a wonderfull new and innovative way in the gacha-world! Next to Wuthering Waves its the best and most entertaining ga-ga "for me". And who dont want to own and manage a vhs-rentalstore ;-) Played to level 30 in three days because I couldnt stop. Just bought the battlepass but got already so much luck getting grace, soukaku 4x, soldier 11, lucy 3x, piper 3x, Ellen, etc. - And DUDE...parries are soooo satisfying! AND its a good thing its a bit easier as other gacha grind games!
This video is 100% correct. Anytime i get a combat commission im so excited to do it but whenever i see an exploration one i just drag ny feet till i have to do it for the exp. The combat is so good, its a shame alot of it is locked behind a long tv system
100 percent agree
Same
100% it's too long to have the good moments. The TV thing got to go or just lessen it. I'm already burnt out from all minigames Hoyo had released since Genshin to Star Rail. I just want my well earned S rank character to beat up enemies
Same to me,i want to smash but im lazy to play tv.
And I want to zoom in and admire my character. But I can't... And to use them in the overworld.
I quit the game after 2 days , its crazy how bored i was 😂 The Tvs are still hunting me in my dreams
I was super hyped and engaged for the 1st week, but now i don't even remember or want to login anymore😢
So true man! I'm going back to honkai with my new hot waifu coming up (general mommy)
I think Hoyoverse should start exploring procedural dungeon generation
I personally was one of the people who was very reluctant to try ZZZ because everyone said it’s hard combat. I tried it nonetheless and while in the first like 2 hours I thought this game is awful it’s now a game I look forward to play every day.
Yes, the TVs seem misplaced in some scenarios and are annoying but most of the story content with them is actually fun. I would say if you don’t have Ellen & her Shark the game is way less fun because it’s way harder to clear content. I was lucky and got her on my 7th pull. I’m not at around Internot 35 and the content became super easy so I finally feel good trying the harder content in the game.
It’s always interesting hearing you and others complain about the difficulty in the games because for me personally I don’t care for that. I want a good story, fun gameplay and characters I grow to like. But I’m also a girl who likes horses and pink stuff, so maybe I actually am the target audience for those Gachas 😂
who said it have hard combat ?
@@Kittysune12 content creaters
i always thought people were mad cause it was too easy
I tried ZZZ and it was really fun at the beginning, good story, fun characters, and ngl I really liked the TV. After a while it gets boring shiyu def is not bad, don't really like rogue-like TV it gets repetitive and slowdown after a while, and reaching inter-knot 32 I stopped playing the game because side quests and TV are pretty boring. I played games that "will be fun after 100hrs" before and played until "late game". I saw people recommend reach inter-knot 30 for it to be fun, but maybe the game's "end game" is just not for me. I might hop in here and there but probably not everyday.
Man, I'm one of the people that loves Dungeon Crawlers, I simply can't hate the TVs 😂😢
yeap TV is unique and im happy with it
Then you’re apart of the problem, they intentionally marketed this game as combat focused and that’s simply just not true getting through those stupid ass puzzles for a couple pieces of combat is infuriating bro. I’m not playing this game to solve long, intricate and super involved puzzles/mysteries this is not a scooby doo game. Everything is tied behind getting through some type of puzzle and mystery in those TV’s, everybody does not have time for that nor do they wanna have to do it every single time.
@@asahii8409 Maybe the game is just no for you, there is no problem in that. lol
@@asahii8409 The only problem I see here is you trying to like a game that is not for you.
@@asahii8409 another gacha brain rot player filtered by puzzles holy shit play other games
When a Souls/elden ring player plays persona for the first time
And it's crazy cause I've played all the persona games and most souls games. But I love ZZZ more than the other hoyo game
@@SushiBandzsame here. I’m a try hard invader/PVP enjoyer in Elden Ring and many souls games before it but I really like ZZZ. The vibes are fantastic and the gameplay is fun and satisfying even if it’s not that challenging
Three fake mihoyo accounts talking to each other. Wow.
Somebody didn't play very hard and merciless mode in persona then lmao.
@@shonenhikada9254 WuWa bot detected
I think people are used to "instant noodle" plot diagram instead of cimematic structure like ZZZ. The story seems disjointed but it's not. It's like collecting all the pieces and put them together.
I know there are lots of people don't like the TV exploration but it indicates what's happening really well. It does provide beginning, middle and end. Once they improved the clunky TV movement, it'd be great.
Yeah, this game is meant to be taken at a slower pace than all the games he's compairing it to
Its pacing is better compaired to Persona, where you're experiencing the world and the people in it
14:21 completely agree on combat; just some nitpicks that make the 'control' feel very off:
1. Accidental double-swapping. Pressing spacebar twice accidentally(or even holding it for more than 0.2s?) double swaps your incoming character and it's super annoying. I run Anton-Grace-Rina and its happened too many times where I use Rina's EX Special expecting to Quick-Assist Anton in but I accidentally double swap to Grace and it ruins the flow completely.
2. Random parry skips? Could be an issue of the double swap again but sometimes I'm expecting to swap in Anton in on a Parry cue but sometimes it's randomly Grace doing the evasive assist instead?? Not sure why or how this happens because I'm absolutely not mispressing 'C' to swap backward. On a rotation where I want to dps with Anton after shocking and using Rina to give PEN Ratio buff, it again completely ruins the rotation because I'm losing time on the Shock application..
3. C/Spacebar is completely unintuitive for swapping! We don't use 1/2/3 in this game, why didn't they just map it that way? What affects the combat that much that they can't give us control?
4. End-game bosses that take SUPER long to stun that have many various attacks makes the limited 'Parries' super limiting. You barely use all 6 charges in regular content, but in some bosses whoops you've used all 6, guess you can only dodge and get back a few points every now and then.
5. Agree with your take bang-on for forced chain attacks. Sometimes I stun a lowly mob at 1% hp and instead of just using a basic to finish it off i'm forced to swap in off my dps, like bruh. It's only been tolerable since I can quick-assist back in most times but man sometimes I just wanna do things a certain way.
6. Ultimates not having optimal purposes on Supports/Stun characters. 3/4 stunned on a boss but my Anby has no EX Special, and I'm at 3000 decibels? GUESS I'LL NEED TO N3C ONE OR TWO MORE TIMES SO I CAN USE MY ULTIMATE ON MY DPS OR I LOSE OUT ON DAMAGE!! and RIP to the 200-300 decibel charges I'm forgoing on the next cycle to do so because there's no overcap!! Every character having an ultimate that has some use is a TRIED AND TESTED formula across so, so many games - why is it not here!! I love Rina's ultimate and it's grouping capabilities but my Anton ulting just does more damage - why is the game making me feel bad to make such decisions.
For a combat-centered game they sure don't have enough fights
The current endgame is just fights. Game is like a few weeks old and people are yapping like they cleared it already.
@@zackeryh250classic Hoyo shill
They REALLY need to change the image for the disk sets. Most of them shouldn't be different shades of green. It makes it real annoying to find pieces you're looking for because they all look too similar to each other.
30:29 That's also my problem. They made their maps cheap of triangles and squares, dialogue cutscenes are not even animated to save money, the combat instances are actually in the Training Simulator Areas used for testing characters in beta.
ZZZ is Hoyoverse easy Cash-Cow game. As long as it has Hoyo branding on it, people will eat that shit since they already have their paid bots as white knights defending their game in every comments sections.
that sounds like apple, even really bad product and overprice, ppl still buy it. i don't understand those type of ppl
Its a fun lil game, but is it worth taking up 100gigs of memory?
Noped
Its 50 gigs. 100 gigs is for extraction because computers are computers.
Absolutely
No its not elden ring more worth it
@@oyshikaadi9631 how it is gonna be 50 gb if the extraction is 100 gb alone?
18:55: Mtashed BASED. CRAZY FACT about Gacha Community, esp. Genshin Mobs: The devs either MAKE HUGE Abobas/Peaches or have chars doing something such as poses/idle animation similar to real life figures/ other Cartoon/Anime reference/ VOICED by their fav Voice Actors and they WILL GO CRAZY and PULL even if there is nothing special about that character design.
"Aw Aw Aw, Sasuke's JP VA voices Kinich. I am gonna pull for him."
"Omg Robin poses look like the one done by Marilyn Monroe. I am gonna get her."
"Nicole Abobas are SO BIG (while the model look simple and average and nothing screams HOT, imo). I am gonna MAIN HER."
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P.s: Gacha players are like Babies eating candies for the first time and find it Super Yummy. SO HILARIOUS!
gacha games are bottom tier trash
And youre hilarious for caring what other people like, which btw doesnt concern u whatsoever 😂😂😂
@@drastia2246 it's just a fact bro. If a person wants to criticize someone for being an idiot they can do so
@@memoriesbrokenthetruthgoes9105 its not a fact , because only 9 of u agree and gacha community has like idk millions? So you lost by voice already so its not a fact.
@@choochoo3041 Oh yeah and btw for the main commenter, not ALL gacha players look for ABOBA or HUSBANDOS for example i dont like grace at all but i like rina. Also i play Reverse 1999 which is a gacha game that never use ABOBA bait in the characters and the design is top notch compare to ZZZ, genshin, HSR, and WUWA in my opinion. So yeah we all have taste dont mashed us up together.
They should've taken the combat from APHO of HI3 and this game would've been so much better and fun. Aerial combat was so damn needed.
Conclusion: Game is not the best its just a mid game not made for everyone
Yeah you right 👍
Hey buddy long time no see
All a matter of perspective. I could make the same point about other gacha games that I don't like (wuwa comes to mind) doesn't make it a "mid" game
7:18 I agree, initially I thought this game was going to be an upgraded version of Honkai impact but it is true that there is little combat to it in comparison to the amount of stuff we have to do between fights.
You have to understand dude every game isn't an open world game.... Every game has its own way of defining itself.... And I think ZZZ did the exact same thing they defined it in their own way....
Yeah I fell for their marketing about the game being combat focused. The SF collab made me expect a lot of things and got me hyped up. So I was disappointed when the game dropped.
From what I hear it was basically a discussion roundtable about the game and industry.
I think this is a fair review. I have things I like about it, but it doesn't feel fun for me to play. I think I'd (almost) prefer to reinstall D2.
Tbh I deleted the game on day two. It just wasn’t clicking for me.
Same bro
Every single point you said resonated with me. It was exactly how I felt with the game. Before I dropped it I was one oof those players that played ZZZ and WuWa. I was enjoying both but as days one ton I found myself just not wanting to log in ZZZ. It fell off with me personally because of a numerous things but the main thing was how long it took to get interesting and but the point I lost interest. I gave it a good go but the game isn't for me. Thank you for the good review Mtashed
Fair.. very fair Michael. I did die for the 1st time on lvl 50 of notorious hunt with electro team. Had kamina lvl 40, Grace lvl50 , and Ether booba girl lvl 40. Felt good to be forced to build a bit
I died for the first time today too, after hitting interknot 40 😅 at least at this point in time, first time I started really getting excited to build my characters a bit.
@@prestonleebenjamin This makes me feel better lol
17:55 This exactly my man. I can't get past the amount of children in this game. I try to avoid using them in any gacha, but especially this one because they do feel very weirdly designed. My first 5* was Nekomata, and when I used her ultimate for the first time, I just immediately closed the game. I can't play a game where I have to see a child stick their butt in the air in that weird ass pose everytime I ult. Maybe if I had gotten a different 5*, I would have given this game a try but jesus christ.
There's 3 confirmed kids: Corin, Soukaku, and Ellen. Nekomata is unknown, but she is respected by the Red Fang members, so most likely an adult. Lucy is old enough to drink, and Piper reminisces about her schooldays and calls Lucy a "youngin". It is believed she is in her mid-30's at least. Sorry petite women scare you
@_callahan613 People always give the excuse of "petite women", and yes, while they do exist, I still see them as a child until proven otherwise. Example, let's say you see one of these "adults" who look like children in real life, are you going to approach them the same way you would an adult who doesn't look like a child? Probably not, because you don't know their age. I do not know the age of the characters in this game, and all I see is underdressed children who people are sexualizing, even the ones you stated are actually children. Petite women don't scare me, I just don't know whether they are an adult or not, and thus, I choose not to engage with them. Nekomata is a prime example, you don't know her age but you said the fact she is respected implies she's older, but it really doesn't, it just means she's respected.
@@PowerfulOni Which makes it a you problem. Sorry bud, but if you have to calculate age in your head to make yourself feel normal about a person, the problem is in your head. By the way, the fact that you have different attitude in approaching a child, who also might be an adult, is alarming. Usually you don't approach people with the intention to fuck. Or judge. Or 'look unfaithfully' or whatever. Any person before you is just a person and all assumptions are only yours to deal with. Nothing more, nothing less. (Makes one really wonder how people with such views even tolerate anime aesthetic where childlike simplistic faces is a core visual staple. Why do you hurt yourself that much if you can't escape your own mental gymnastics?)
@SophiteSomewhere So, by your own logic, because I want to approach someone differently because they appear to be a child (even if they are an adult), I am putting off some kind of alarming behavior? I think that's just standard precedent for being a normal functioning adult. You for some reason are bringing up having sex with someone to be an objective of my interactions with said person, which I never said. It does bring up a point that supports my actions though, because if that was my intent, I would make damn sure they are an adult, but I wouldn't be attracted to them anyway if they had the appearance of someone underage. (Or at all for that matter, editing this in so it doesn't get misconstrued. I know someone would try to take it out of context and say "Oh well if they looked older you'd be attracted huh?". This is why you confirm ages with people before getting into any kind of relationship, romantic or not.)
Regardless, that's not even the point, the point was that Hoyo is putting characters in suggestive clothing and giving them the appearance of a child or "petite woman" as the defenders would say, and making it seem like there isn't something wrong with that. They are intentionally designing the characters this way and making it "okay" by saying, "oh she's like 30 years old though". That, is some weird shit, and I will die on that hill.
and their market for 12+ 😭😭
zzz just started off wrong in my opinion but i still love it i dont see it as wuwa or genshin i think this hoyo is trying to draw a different audience cause this game reminds me me of persona
Isn't this just a remake of HI3? But american style? They were going for a combat lover audience in a gacha genre which trust me there are not a lot of them. Mostly they are from China only. And PGR and HI3 already got CN combat player community in chains there.
From what I see the audience they are trying for are coomer, furries and PDF's.
@@HazardToneNot really. If you have ever played Persona or any jrpg for that matter, you can kind of see some elements from them seeping into ZZZ. It just has action combat instead of turn based combat.
@@HazardTone Thats pushing it in that case every asianic game draws in pdf coomers and furries its they culture bro i haven’t seen a single game from china that don’t have sexualized women or “wanna-be adult” children or furry they got to have at least one😂
@@jiku3845 Bahahaha ZZZ is to Persona as Genshin is to Elden Ring. Couldn't be further apart once you look at their substance.
@@SwingingOrangutan true ig its just art style and ost and comedy that got me thinking like that😂
Nice review, Mtashed. Agreed with many of your criticisms. No idea what they were thinking with the UI/UX and the TV gameplay.
they handholding me in the combat is the most annoying thing for me. also the beginner tv sections are just too much. the story in the beginning also feels lacking solely because of the tv sections. id rather hear paimon shout to my ear or yangyang yapping than play any tv shit
Glad to see someone like you point out ZZZs flaws. ZZZ is a sims game with a comat mini game. The story ive played was a 9/10 and pretty much everything else that wasn't combat was exceptional. However the combat framework is really good, but their difficulty progression mirrors retail wow. Which is pathetic. It feels like they didnt even bother balancing the early game. If they made the Tv mode skippable I might come back and try the game again.
40mins-1hours per story inside freaking tv solving puzzle...yeah so call "COMBAT" game
yeah, they had the maps, just put some portals there and let us run through and collect everything on the way and let us learn how to use characters at the same time. I played one evening and not going back.
I reached to lv 30 , didn't get the limited banner character, Uninstalled
lol?
Gacha's aren't for people who are broke or have shit luck sorry bro
@@Flare8124go spend your money on a game that will close within a year ;)
Good decision 👍🏿 have fun playing something other than this shit
Just like Jenshin, ZZZ isn't the top tier choice for a game on stream. After the dailies and spend your resources, what will you do , lmao? The engagement still goes hard on other platforms thou, for how much we don't know, but as the latest HYV game, doing even less than WuWa is a very bad outlook (if you are Da Wei and Company).
Doing dailies and spending resources is exactly how gacha games are meant to be played...😂
@@KingMufasa_8 "On Stream"
Truth be told this is a thing in all gacha games. Vast majority of people watch streams when a new patch drops to see their favorite streamer reacting to the new story or clearing the refreshed endgame content (Shiyu Defense, MoC, Spiral Abyss, Tower of Adversity etc.). Nobody wants to watch a streamer doing common grind or completing some side quest which 80% of people don't care about.
Got some conflicting opinions from me but the fact that they thought the collab news with SF was a good idea, this early.. was a bad idea
Since it just tells people "hey we have combat galore" even more and the whole TV thing just wasn't talked from them
for the pull parts i got 190 limited pulls actually by spending all those polychromes and additional 12 spare limited pulls(excluding 500 polychromes from the bangboo event). and the 5 each limited plus standard from monthly. i cleared story all story quest and achievements and 90% of the hollow zero achievements. also i got 140 standards and probably 150 ish bangboo pulls. (F2P Interknot 40 no refresh)
i can say the pulls they gave on 1.0 is quite a lot
May i know how many hours of playtime it took you to get all those pulls?
@@pforpotatoe1980 i play since day 1, and it depends on how long u willing to spend ur time searching hidden mission and doing hdd exploration. It took me like 2 weeks.
I've never played one of these gachas and had no intention to because the aesthetics of these games are so samey. I genuinely thought that Genshin Impact and Honkai: Star Rail were the same game until I started looking into ZZZ. From the perspective of someone being onboarded into all this nonsense, this game plays fairly well. Simpler than other titles I'd imagine but a lot of its depth for now is optional, and it feels good to really dive into optimization without being forced to, especially for a game that launched 2 weeks out. I hit level 45 just yesterday and I'm still unlocking new things, and the new core mode seems like it has some additional depth to it. The social aspects are fun and really flesh out characters that I otherwise didn't care about. I didn't give a shit about Rina at all until her character story, which is one of the more satisfying short stories I've played this year.
My biggest gripe right now is the energy system, but otherwise? I've had a great time with it.
To be completely honest, ZZZ is not the game that most people thought it was gonna be, and unfortunately, this led to a lot of the community not enjoying it. A lot of the community thought it was going to be something like hi3 or pgr, just with TV exploration, and it was not that at all. I also thought it was like this from the first few trailers, but after researching and looking more into the game from cbt or other stuff, my entire approach to ZZZ changed and it made my playing experience better on launch.
To put it simply, ZZZ is like if the Persona gacha game had hi3/pgr like combat instead of it being Turn-based. And if you play ZZZ with the mindset of it being like a gacha jrpg, you will really start to understand the game more, and hopefully like it more. Such as, the gameplay loop, story, pacing, etc.
Unfortunately, Mtashed, even with having access to the Beta, still went into ZZZ with the mindset that it was an action focused game and came out of it disappointed. Not blaming or hating him for it, but we have already heard countless times that he’s not built for gacha games, or these type of time gated games. So I don’t understand why he would jump into ZZZ expecting something when he should already know that it’s probably not what he wants in a game. Which in turn makes his review of any gacha game feel heavily bias and unreliable. It’s like if someone did not enjoy eating raw fish, and you give him a sushi course to review. It may be the best tasting sushi in the world, but if they don’t like raw fish, then they’re review is already going to be negatively impacted.
And I know Mtashed is semi-playing/covering ZZZ because it brings in views, and views equals money, but is it really worth it if he’s not having as much fun as he would be with covering/playing other games that aren’t gacha? Like if someone wants guides, they’ll seek out better guide making channels. Most people just go to Mtashed for him, not his guides. Hell, he didn’t even read Zhu Yuan’s kit to fully understand her before starting his guide video and had to redo all of it on stream after like 20 mins.
TLDR:
-Play ZZZ with a jrpg mindset and you might like it more.
-FFS stop covering/playing gacha games Mtashed, you don’t like them.
Not trying to bring hate, just want you to have fun making content and not burn out and quit.
It’s a real shame because the combat is sick but no open world is a joke
I'm the opposite. The more i play it the more annoyed it feels to play. The combat is becoming even more boring as time goes on
Pretty normal standard stuff from a combat game that doesn't focus on combat.
@@HazardToneI know there is more to combat but the more he's talking is literally in every other game, even the ones where flashy combat isn't the focus while also saying he saw it more with the banner 5 stars to really see it. 😅 Maybe I'm just used to combat games that gives you more freedom in how you can express yourself in your combos but this game is just lacking it.
They say it's gonna be a more combat focus game but all I'm seeing for combat is honkai impact with Parries😅
@@blackstar-genX yep the game is restrictive normally a combat game is supposed to give you freedom of control but here the system forces you to enable the mechanics
the deal breaker for me is that there are no husbandos. I still gave it a chance and the combat felt pretty meh, I basically agree with what you said about it. It just doesn't feel good to play.
I didn't play it when I heard the TVs are still the same, there's no way I'd play whatever that is in my free time, 24h+ to get some fun? Nah, I'm good. I've noticed that the time spent on the TVs is more than the combat. Can't be real, right?
Honestly I think the TV exploration is more fun and creative than the Rally missions.
Thank you. Whenever I point out just how sexualized some of this characters are, I feel ALONE, like I'm the only crazy person seeing it like that. It's not just that they think it's ok to be a perv, for some of these people, it is like something to be proud of. And you can see, day after day how it gets more and more normalized, more available to kids in games for every age. But of course these people don't have children or will ever be in a situation where having a children is something that can realistically happen, so they just don't care, they just gave up.
Did you look at the rating of the game before you played it? Everything you dislike is in the ratings. If you think mature themes make you a perv, then you should play less mature and more light-hearted games. There's nothing wrong with the game. It's just not for you.
@@derekosgood3230 Yeah, like ratings matter outside a physical store, ZZZ is by no means marketed for a mature audience btw. Some of us have other people to care and think about so blindfolding myself doesn't solve the problem. This is a universal trend, , if I have something to say, I'm gonna say it.
@@miguerys9503I don’t think it’s exactly responsible to blame game devs for expressing what they want in their game when it’s up to the parents of said-children to monitor what they have on their phones. Parents who just throw children onto phones without checking what they’re doing are more problematic because they let social media and technology raise their kids.
I am just gonna be honest here, I think if u r weird, everything u see is weird
@@NobodyMr-s6t Here's some more weirdness from me: People often mistake being honest with telling the truth.
Hoyo really got lazy with "💤 " i enjoy because I'm going slow but I expected better. Lets hope they can address this issue.
In before, "im not a furry but" gets clipped and gets put into a mtashed out of context compilation.