That's funny. I don't like beards. My husband has one. He shaved it for me. I told him to grow it back. He just looks way better with one, even though I don't like. 😂
So, if Brigham young university named after the Prophet Brigham Young who had a beard won't let their students grow beards? Why name a school after a Prophet who had a beard... 🤔
As a woman who married to a man who would look like a big toddler if he didn't grow his beard, let me just say I LOVE my husband's beard! I find his slightly scruffy beard a huge sexy turn-on. Yup, there I said it. I have a sexy bearded husband.
There's a group of us members in NZ that grow beards and a lot of memebers always have judgements about us calling us unrighteous. It doesnt bother us anymore, the only time we shave is when we go to the temple.
So Moses, Abraham, and Jesus are "unrighteous" to Mormons? That's a shocking revelation. That means all the prophets and all the apostles are unrighteous to Mormons too. And it sounds like you're not allowed in a temple with a beard? Good to know you'd turn away Jesus if he showed up...
I'm LDS and I love my husband's beard and think he looks better with a beard. I remember in high school I use to make similar statements about hairy men the way Shelley did. Then a teacher said something like "men have hair, and as men get older they get hairier so I better get use to it.”
Believe it or not, beards were largely a cultural norm in the US in the 1800s... being clean-shaven was considered a sign of wealth because a decent shave was like a good haircut: you needed to go to the barber for it. Some men owned shaving implements, but by and large most did not. Imagine paying for a haircut every day... that's what it was like. So beards were pretty acceptable. Once Gillette came out with an affordable disposable razor in 1903, the association of "clean shaven" = "wealth" really helped spur a trend toward men shaving in order to look respectable. If you'll look at the pictures/paintings of the leaders of the church, you'll notice right around 1900 beards pretty much went away. I think this discussion really does illustrate well the enmeshing of Utah Mormon culture with what some consider some kind of unofficial doctrine. In California where I grew up, I cannot think of a single male ward or stake church leader who had facial hair. In Texas, facial hair among church leaders is not the norm, but not so uncommon that anyone notices or thinks it's weird when you look up in the stand. I personally have gone with a perpetual 5 o'clock shadow as my skin breaks out horribly when I use a razor. I just use beard clippers with no guard. I looks like I shave, but I don't. And it works for me.
I love some very fine stubble on a man, but recently some mormons have been taking the beard thing to extremes! But also, let's remember many of our Latter-day prophets had some amazing beards!
I grow facial hair like its its nothing , its annoying because it grows so fast that it just grows back the next day. But you know god made me this way so I respect it.
At institute in WA state, the topic of beards came up, some people were saying how they're against it because the church leaders don't have beards anymore, and me and like 4-6 other people with beards just looked at each other and rolled our eyes. was pretty funny.
I live in the great state of Alaska. I also had the honor of health building our Temple here, was in the same room with President Hinckley as he gave the dedicatory prayer. patriarch Frank Millimun gave the opening prayer. I have a beard, it is well-kept and quite a few people have complimented me on it. Although for some funny and strange reason temple workers are not to have facial hair. Same with stake presidency & Bishoprics
I can't say a sweeping statement yes or no on beards. Some guys rock it and some guys don't. Ryan Gosling's beard in the first pic yes, Andrew Garfield's beard does make him look older, but it doesn't look good on him in my opinion.
there is a big difference on a trimmed good looking facial hair and nappy scruff. I have a goatee and I do my best to keep it looking professional at all times
How does a college's honor code (that is owned by a church) somehow represent the entire church? That's like saying that because BYU-I doesn't allow you to wear flip flops on campus that the whole church can't wear flip flops. And using your same logic, because the prophet is in charge of BYU-I than the whole church can't wear flip flops. This is a ridiculous episode and even more ridiculous logic. Sorry guys, I am not a fan. 😟 And because I'm a member of this church I am very concerned with how your content may have unintended, negative consequences.
You're right, they never said it. I am pointing out how the logic and examples used in this video are not only untrue but are a logical fallacy. Example: because they implied that BYU's honor code applies to the whole church (since the prophet is in charge of BYU and the prophet is in charge of the church). The prophet is also in charge of BYU-I so with their logic the WHOLE church wouldn't be able to wear flip flops. Get it? Not only is this untrue, but their reasoning is ridiculous. A church school's honor code does not apply to all church members and the girl said that it did. This is a perfect example of the unintended consequences behind their episodes. You can't pick and choose which parts of the honor code apply to ALL of the church, if you say that one policy does you imply that the rest do as well.
Ummm...they conclude their entire episode (starting at 7:31 to the end) by saying grow a beard if you want to. They never imply the BYU honor code applies to the whole church. Not trying to debate with you - just trying to help clarify. When Shelley was talking about the prophet, she was specifically talking about BYU students and the Honor Code they (the students) follow while attending BYU - and that the students should follow the BYU honor code because as she puts it "the prophet signed off on it". She concludes that if you (as a BYU student) don't want to follow the honor code at BYU and would rather grow a beard, then go to a different school. I rewatched the episode just to make sure this was the case. They even clarify they're only specifically talking about BYU students at 3:34. Seems pretty clear to me. Hope that helps!
So wait, beards are gross according to her. Yet, Christ was the one who designed our bodies. Christ gave us the ability to grow beards and Christ makes no mistakes. So you're saying Christ made a mistake making it possible for men to grow beards?? Your move.
First off, nice one. She can think beards are gross and still believe Christ was perfect. You are proposing a false dilemma fallacy. Thinking something is gross doesn't mean it is a mistake. For example, I might think Indian food with a curry taste is gross, but I don't think they made a mistake. It's just their culinary preference and culture that influenced the flavor. My opinion doesn't determine the goodness of the food. It's just my perception. Shelley's perception of beards is negative, but that doesn't mean her perception of Christ is negative. I don't know about you, but I worship the Savior and not the Savior's beard.
Redford is a strawberry blonde. You should have showed his Jeremiah Johnson photo. My brother has a similar problem with dish water blonde hair and a red facial hair. it really is funny seeing his hair transition from mousy to red. As for me my wife doesn't mind if I have a full beard or if I am clean shaven, but when I trimmed it back to a Goatee she said keep that.
When I started my job as a professor at BYU, it broke my heart to hear there was no hope in me getting a beard card. With tears in my eyes I shaved. In my office, I then posted, behind my computer monitor, a meme from the cartoon "Dexter's Laboratory" when they say "It doesn't matter if you have the beard on the outside, all that matters is that you have it on the inside." While I never thought anyone could entice me away from BYU, I got recruited away 10 years ago. My face has never been clean-shaven since.
This is "like" kinda immature and childish... and sophomoric... and a real "turn-off" to "like" a lot of people... who will "like" view this and be "like" ugh... "I don't want to be a 'Mormon' because I don't want to be like these silly people/kids/fill-in-the-blank-descriptor..."
i have both a beard and long hair. ive caught some slack about it from random members but the way i see it if you are focusing on what im wearing then your focus on the gospel could be lacking.
When my friends ask questions about the church that y'all have talked about I literally just pull you guys up and show your video to them. Reading straight from the For Strength Of Youth tends to get kinda old and when they see real people explaining the stuff they think is weird about Mormonism it's like they are much more willing to listen and respect my beliefs and morals. Thanks for explaining the Modesty thing cause I live near the beach. Please keep posting! You were an amazing EFY councilor Shelley and I grew so much because I new you!
LDS can have any hair style they want, there are no rules regarding hair length on the baptism or temple recommend question list. That being said, culturally it is somewhat unusal.
How is an honor code at BYU considered prophecy? I love the Book of Mormon, but I really hate the culture in the church because it feels not of God or of the Savior.
Yes LDS can have beards. The danger is that you don't want to become "hipster mormon". Hipsters let the beard get way too long. If you've ever been to Portland or Brooklyn you know what I'm talking about. The beard is so long you could hide a family of squirrels in there.
I wouldn't say I like full on beards on a man but when my husband has that like 5:00 shadow I think that is so good looking on him oh my gosh of course when we go to the temple he is always clean shaving.
The best western is tombstone thank you very much, i may be biased because Wyatt earp is my namesake and doc Holliday is my favorite western gunslinger/"lawman" ever
It's pretty hard for rational people to worship a God who is responsible for creating human males with facial hair (whiskers), not to mention pubic hair for both males and females!! Why make us intentionally miserable??
You seriously cant grow a beard? I wish my beard would fall out cuz i can't stand blades or razors on my face. Can't stand when everyone and there dog hates me either.
gern blanstein It turns out that Ian doesn't actually need glasses, we just thought they looked cool on him. But the lenses reflected too much so we just took them out. haha
If monks can have beards and often do, why is this not honorable? Really? Monks on Athos are not honorable? If you are unaware of Mount Athos, youtube "Mount Athos documentary". You will find out more than you bargained for. God Bless.
Beards and mustaches trap food and tiny microbial and are not healthy. I know I'm going to get a lot of flack over this one. I like military standards for grooming.
(*whispering* I would probably be really good friends Shelley irl but I'm kinda glad she's gone bc she's a bit annoying and extreme but much love for her but eek)
You three are so funny. And I agree with Shelly. Beards are dirty and smelly and cool women don't like them. They are disgusting, along with mustaches. Imagine a man with a mustached who has to blow his nose. Gross!
Jesus is depicted with a beard in pretty much every painting that has ever been made.
Even in my sunset picture! Just kidding, Jesus was not painted in that one.
That's probably because razors had not been invented in his time.
I love beards, when she kept saying girls don’t like beards I cringed!!!!!! I love beards!!
I’m a Mormon girl and I love beards on guys.
Hey, Jesus had a beard!
That's funny. I don't like beards. My husband has one. He shaved it for me. I told him to grow it back. He just looks way better with one, even though I don't like. 😂
This here is one example or why men will never really understand women.
@@eforsyth so you've never changed your mind before?
If a beard is gross then is Jesus' beard gross?
So, if Brigham young university named after the Prophet Brigham Young who had a beard won't let their students grow beards? Why name a school after a Prophet who had a beard... 🤔
Because religion is riddled with contradictions
Because the honor code and the honor code office is ridiculous
School named after bearded man who's a prophet of a church named after a bearded man.... No beards!:P
Jesus Christ had a beard. Even bigger.
As a woman who married to a man who would look like a big toddler if he didn't grow his beard, let me just say I LOVE my husband's beard! I find his slightly scruffy beard a huge sexy turn-on. Yup, there I said it. I have a sexy bearded husband.
Your opinion of my beard is irrelevant.
There's a group of us members in NZ that grow beards and a lot of memebers always have judgements about us calling us unrighteous. It doesnt bother us anymore, the only time we shave is when we go to the temple.
UltimateBop from Wellington bro coming upto 18 years in October but still have to shave every Sunday 😂
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So Moses, Abraham, and Jesus are "unrighteous" to Mormons? That's a shocking revelation. That means all the prophets and all the apostles are unrighteous to Mormons too. And it sounds like you're not allowed in a temple with a beard? Good to know you'd turn away Jesus if he showed up...
I have not shaved since I was released from my mission 30 years ago. Never had a problem.
Talk about it ....
No if my girl tells me to cut my beard off I'll tell her to shave her head see how she likes it.
I'm LDS and I love my husband's beard and think he looks better with a beard. I remember in high school I use to make similar statements about hairy men the way Shelley did. Then a teacher said something like "men have hair, and as men get older they get hairier so I better get use to it.”
And I don't care what you care about. You guys just tipped around the topic and didn't answer it.
Without watching I am going to say yes. Brigham Young had a beard and Joseph Fielding Smith had a beard down to his navel.
These two guys are definitely gonna need beards.
😂 💯
Believe it or not, beards were largely a cultural norm in the US in the 1800s... being clean-shaven was considered a sign of wealth because a decent shave was like a good haircut: you needed to go to the barber for it. Some men owned shaving implements, but by and large most did not. Imagine paying for a haircut every day... that's what it was like. So beards were pretty acceptable. Once Gillette came out with an affordable disposable razor in 1903, the association of "clean shaven" = "wealth" really helped spur a trend toward men shaving in order to look respectable. If you'll look at the pictures/paintings of the leaders of the church, you'll notice right around 1900 beards pretty much went away.
I think this discussion really does illustrate well the enmeshing of Utah Mormon culture with what some consider some kind of unofficial doctrine. In California where I grew up, I cannot think of a single male ward or stake church leader who had facial hair. In Texas, facial hair among church leaders is not the norm, but not so uncommon that anyone notices or thinks it's weird when you look up in the stand. I personally have gone with a perpetual 5 o'clock shadow as my skin breaks out horribly when I use a razor. I just use beard clippers with no guard. I looks like I shave, but I don't. And it works for me.
"I'm gonna beat him with a gillette fusion" ahaha. love your videos.
I'm LDS I have a beard I don't plan on not having one anytime soon
Okay I must agree. Tom Selleck rocks the mustache better than any man that ever lived. Just saying.
I love some very fine stubble on a man, but recently some mormons have been taking the beard thing to extremes! But also, let's remember many of our Latter-day prophets had some amazing beards!
First disliked video. Beards are from God and they grow naturally.
I grow facial hair like its its nothing , its annoying because it grows so fast that it just grows back the next day. But you know god made me this way so I respect it.
At institute in WA state, the topic of beards came up, some people were saying how they're against it because the church leaders don't have beards anymore, and me and like 4-6 other people with beards just looked at each other and rolled our eyes. was pretty funny.
I live in the great state of Alaska. I also had the honor of health building our Temple here, was in the same room with President Hinckley as he gave the dedicatory prayer. patriarch Frank Millimun gave the opening prayer. I have a beard, it is well-kept and quite a few people have complimented me on it. Although for some funny and strange reason temple workers are not to have facial hair. Same with stake presidency & Bishoprics
I can't say a sweeping statement yes or no on beards. Some guys rock it and some guys don't. Ryan Gosling's beard in the first pic yes, Andrew Garfield's beard does make him look older, but it doesn't look good on him in my opinion.
there is a big difference on a trimmed good looking facial hair and nappy scruff. I have a goatee and I do my best to keep it looking professional at all times
funny how only one of the three original cast is still on
I remember growing a mustache while at BYU just because I could! I had some people giving me the weird look, but most people thought it was cool!
I just looked at the clock, and apparently I've spent the last two hours watching your videos.
Shelley, I remember you telling me to button my shirt up almost everyday at EFY😂
Davis Day I would of died if she was my councilor, so annoying
Lol I see not much has changed, always bringing us up to speed on HER standards...
How does a college's honor code (that is owned by a church) somehow represent the entire church? That's like saying that because BYU-I doesn't allow you to wear flip flops on campus that the whole church can't wear flip flops. And using your same logic, because the prophet is in charge of BYU-I than the whole church can't wear flip flops. This is a ridiculous episode and even more ridiculous logic. Sorry guys, I am not a fan. 😟 And because I'm a member of this church I am very concerned with how your content may have unintended, negative consequences.
I don't believe they ever said the college's honor code applies to the entire church. Members are free to grow and wear facial hair as they please.
You're right, they never said it. I am pointing out how the logic and examples used in this video are not only untrue but are a logical fallacy. Example: because they implied that BYU's honor code applies to the whole church (since the prophet is in charge of BYU and the prophet is in charge of the church). The prophet is also in charge of BYU-I so with their logic the WHOLE church wouldn't be able to wear flip flops. Get it? Not only is this untrue, but their reasoning is ridiculous. A church school's honor code does not apply to all church members and the girl said that it did. This is a perfect example of the unintended consequences behind their episodes. You can't pick and choose which parts of the honor code apply to ALL of the church, if you say that one policy does you imply that the rest do as well.
Ummm...they conclude their entire episode (starting at 7:31 to the end) by saying grow a beard if you want to. They never imply the BYU honor code applies to the whole church. Not trying to debate with you - just trying to help clarify. When Shelley was talking about the prophet, she was specifically talking about BYU students and the Honor Code they (the students) follow while attending BYU - and that the students should follow the BYU honor code because as she puts it "the prophet signed off on it". She concludes that if you (as a BYU student) don't want to follow the honor code at BYU and would rather grow a beard, then go to a different school. I rewatched the episode just to make sure this was the case. They even clarify they're only specifically talking about BYU students at 3:34. Seems pretty clear to me. Hope that helps!
Cool, thanks!
Cool, thanks!
So wait, beards are gross according to her. Yet, Christ was the one who designed our bodies. Christ gave us the ability to grow beards and Christ makes no mistakes. So you're saying Christ made a mistake making it possible for men to grow beards?? Your move.
First off, nice one.
She can think beards are gross and still believe Christ was perfect. You are proposing a false dilemma fallacy. Thinking something is gross doesn't mean it is a mistake. For example, I might think Indian food with a curry taste is gross, but I don't think they made a mistake. It's just their culinary preference and culture that influenced the flavor. My opinion doesn't determine the goodness of the food. It's just my perception. Shelley's perception of beards is negative, but that doesn't mean her perception of Christ is negative. I don't know about you, but I worship the Savior and not the Savior's beard.
I’m a Mormon and I have a Goatee.. should I shave it even if I currently don’t visit the Temple?
There is nothing wrong with attending the temple with a goatee.
can I still go to the Temple (to do Baptism for the Dead) if I am starting to grow facial hair, and don't shave it?
Yes.
Redford is a strawberry blonde. You should have showed his Jeremiah Johnson photo. My brother has a similar problem with dish water blonde hair and a red facial hair. it really is funny seeing his hair transition from mousy to red.
As for me my wife doesn't mind if I have a full beard or if I am clean shaven, but when I trimmed it back to a Goatee she said keep that.
When I started my job as a professor at BYU, it broke my heart to hear there was no hope in me getting a beard card. With tears in my eyes I shaved. In my office, I then posted, behind my computer monitor, a meme from the cartoon "Dexter's Laboratory" when they say "It doesn't matter if you have the beard on the outside, all that matters is that you have it on the inside." While I never thought anyone could entice me away from BYU, I got recruited away 10 years ago. My face has never been clean-shaven since.
side note, while I like the beard, the primary reason I keep it is because my wife loves it.
🤣the Dexter meme.
This is "like" kinda immature and childish... and sophomoric... and a real "turn-off" to "like" a lot of people... who will "like" view this and be "like" ugh... "I don't want to be a 'Mormon' because I don't want to be like these silly people/kids/fill-in-the-blank-descriptor..."
Can't wait for the 15 minute breakdown of bare shoulders.
that Molly cracks me up LOL!
I enjoy having my beard!! takes less time to shave.
The irony of not being able to have a beard at an institution name after a man with a beard..
Jesus had a beard....
Yes He did but it was a different culture, however I'm a latter day saint and have a beard but is pretty trimmed so it looks good.
How do we know that?
I love growing beards; I have many blooming in my special greenhouse.😆
It is a commandment from God to grow a beard in the Torah. God's opinion is the best opinion.
One of the Young Men leaders in my old ward has what we call a "Moses beard." No one has a problem with it
i have both a beard and long hair. ive caught some slack about it from random members but the way i see it if you are focusing on what im wearing then your focus on the gospel could be lacking.
What do you call a man without a beard? A woman!
Our Heavenly and Jesus both have beards, are they "evil super villians "?
When my friends ask questions about the church that y'all have talked about I literally just pull you guys up and show your video to them. Reading straight from the For Strength Of Youth tends to get kinda old and when they see real people explaining the stuff they think is weird about Mormonism it's like they are much more willing to listen and respect my beliefs and morals. Thanks for explaining the Modesty thing cause I live near the beach. Please keep posting! You were an amazing EFY councilor Shelley and I grew so much because I new you!
Brigham Young and many men in Church leadership in the past had beards . What's the deal !
It's not about being LDS. It is not about the 'Honor Code".
If you want to see creepy beards, watch Game of Thrones. Some of the guys with big beards braided the beards and also wore eyeliner makeup.
Kwaku looks like wilt chamberlain with that beard
Can we have offer a broader female perspective on this channel? I disagree with the majority of what this girl says.
Women hate hair on their face. But women love men to have a beard or mustache too.
I think you should address all races. For example mixed raced and black people with beards not just white people. :)
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid is TOTALLY the best western everrrrrrr!
For the record, The Unforgiven is a great western film. Pale Rider is another good one.
Hey I have a Question, Do mormons guys can have a long hair?
LDS can have any hair style they want, there are no rules regarding hair length on the baptism or temple recommend question list. That being said, culturally it is somewhat unusal.
Harry Potter
I personally respect people beards more.
How is an honor code at BYU considered prophecy? I love the Book of Mormon, but I really hate the culture in the church because it feels not of God or of the Savior.
Yes LDS can have beards. The danger is that you don't want to become "hipster mormon". Hipsters let the beard get way too long. If you've ever been to Portland or Brooklyn you know what I'm talking about. The beard is so long you could hide a family of squirrels in there.
I say grow your beard out as soon as you get back off your mission so that you can weed out silly women with unrealistic expectations.
I wouldn't say I like full on beards on a man but when my husband has that like 5:00 shadow I think that is so good looking on him oh my gosh of course when we go to the temple he is always clean shaving.
Jesus has a beard and he's the ideal man. Just sayin.
I vote for beards on some people. They don’t always look good on men.
The best western is tombstone thank you very much, i may be biased because Wyatt earp is my namesake and doc Holliday is my favorite western gunslinger/"lawman" ever
It's pretty hard for rational people to worship a God who is responsible for creating human males with facial hair (whiskers), not to mention pubic hair for both males and females!! Why make us intentionally miserable??
Hahaha I actually like beards usually, but the Andrew Garfield pic with a beard was BAD.
"it'd help him with women"
"hE'S A MILLIONAIRE"
where is the lie in that though? lolol
Also, c'mon, Garfield is (fire emoji) with our without a beard!
You seriously cant grow a beard? I wish my beard would fall out cuz i can't stand blades or razors on my face. Can't stand when everyone and there dog hates me either.
How many prophets AND jesus had beards???? Leaving it there...
Does anyone has her instagram?
Real reason ''control''
2:55 *mic drop and walks off stage*
I have a beard - and a pony tail - and I wear red docs to church. Or I did before lock-down. Nobody in my ward cares.
Why are there no lenses in that guys glasses?
gern blanstein It turns out that Ian doesn't actually need glasses, we just thought they looked cool on him. But the lenses reflected too much so we just took them out. haha
Thanks for the response
The namesake of BYU and the second President of our church had a what?
I have elvis type sideburns, is that cool?
If monks can have beards and often do, why is this not honorable? Really? Monks on Athos are not honorable? If you are unaware of Mount Athos, youtube "Mount Athos documentary". You will find out more than you bargained for. God Bless.
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That comment about the blonde with black eyebrows... my cousin has natural blonde hair with black eyebrows has her whole life... just saying
Beards and mustaches trap food and tiny microbial and are not healthy. I know I'm going to get a lot of flack over this one.
I like military standards for grooming.
Young folk....you can't expect much more!
You guys are childish and make Mormons look bad and unappealing.
Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t allow their members to have beards, hmm.......
I guess Jesus is an evil villain to her lol
(*whispering* I would probably be really good friends Shelley irl but I'm kinda glad she's gone bc she's a bit annoying and extreme but much love for her but eek)
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You guys are ridiculous. This is why I didn't go to BYU, lol.
He doesn't care! ;(
I don’t like beards either
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You three are so funny. And I agree with Shelly. Beards are dirty and smelly and cool women don't like them. They are disgusting, along with mustaches. Imagine a man with a mustached who has to blow his nose. Gross!