IS THE 3 WOOD DEAD? // Getting the Right Gapping with 5 Wood, 3 Wood or Mini Driver
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Today, Ian is in the bay to test out if a 3 Wood still has a place in the modern golf bag. For some it will always, but with technology changing quickly and only 14 clubs allowed. It does raise the question if the 3 Wood has more or less value than a 5 wood?
00:00 INTRO
03:09 TAYLORMADE
Qi10 TOUR
3 WOOD 15° (14.25°)
04:22 TAYLORMADE
Qi10 TOUR
5 WOOD 18° (16.5°)
06:57 TAYLORMADE
Qi10 TOUR
3 WOOD 15° (14.25°)
OFF TEE
08:33 TAYLORMADE
BRNR MINI DRIVER 11.5° (10.5°)
OFF TEE
10:33 TAYLORMADE
BRNR MINI DRIVER 11.5°
OFF TEE
11:40 CONCLUSION
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Just removed the driver out of the bag, for I love how consistent the Mini driver is, and replaced my 3 wood and now have just the mini and a 7 wood! I can carry the 7 wood 240 off the ground and 260-280 is my mini driver off a tee! Do not see why I need to change or add another club that I don't feel confident enough in!
I'm moving in that direction too. I'm inconsistent with my driver and the mini driver is very close in distance but almost always straight down the middle so I'm gaining strokes off the tee using it instead of the driver. Currently I'm mini driver - 5 wood, but am looking to test some 7 woods to see if that's a better gap and more accurate. I've got to say that the mini driver is something special.
Actually my 3 wood is my favorite club in the bag. One of the most consistent for me off the tee and second shot in like par 5’s. Golf will and always will be subjective.
I don't understand the concept of calling a 10.5* lofted mini driver a 3 wood replacement. 10.5 is driver loft, regardless of what size head it is or if you're hitting it off the deck. And delofting a 5 wood to 16.5 * means it's a 4 wood, so it's not 5 wood loft anymore. I do agree that most amateurs don't need a 3 wood. They'd be better off with a 4 or 5 wood, 7 wood combo and let's face it most of us do not play from 7K plus yards on a course.
Well the 3 wood goes out and that goes in its place.
Mini drivers come in 11.5 and 13.5, so the one they have is the lower model. The larger head makes it a good off the tee option that you can still hit off the deck.
Same concept as the higher MOI irons, no? Add mass low and behind the ball and you can de loft slightly. Suddenly a more forgiving club
I put a Callaway 16.5 high loft 3 in the bag and it works very nicely off the tee or the deck. I am 75 yrs old and I get 165 out of it.
I agree with you but they do offer a 13* mini driver which I’ve hit better than my 3 wood. But I play a 10* driver and a 5 wood. No 3 wood. Most would be better off with a higher lofted driver and 5 and 7 woods. 🤙🏽
I go driver, 5 wood, 7 wood, 5 iron. For me and my swing speed the gaping is perfect. My confidence in those clubs is very high, so I haven’t played with a 3 wood in over a decade.
3 wood is very versatile. Great control club off the tee and if you have a forgiving model like Sim 2 max it’s fine from the fairway too.
I bought a 4W recently. 16.5 degree. Love it
Love my 4w\7w into 4 iron setup…fills gaps nicely for long approach shots, gives me defined club selection off of the tee
4w/7w is the move for sure. I love both of those clubs so much. I go into 5i though. I couldnt hit my 4i if my life depended on it, but its theoretical distance is very similar to my 7w
for those of us with average swing speeds the 3w is, for most people, dead and has been for a while. We just do not have the speed to get enough launch consistently. My 5w carries 210 yards, I can shape it and (sadly needed too often but that is another issue) I can use it for a little choppy shot to get the ball out of the trees, below the lower branches and then run out
I would bet ~50% of golfers couldn’t get more distance on average out of their 3w vs their 5w. I would love to see people hit the brnr mini off the deck instead
Here's another interesting setup my friend is doing.... 7W and a 4W... gives him a really perfect gap between the driver and his highest iron.
Welcome to the club Ian. Since the last BRNR came out I have gone down the route of driver (8°), mini (13.5), 5 wood (18), 4 utility iron then into my irons. Feel like it gives me all the options. Tee clubs, forgiveness and most yardages covered.
Similar route over here. 7.25* driver, 12.5* mini and 18* 2 iron. Big fan of it.
Still rocking the RBZ Tour 3 wood at 14.5 and it’s staying til it breaks. A rocket off the tee but versatile enough where I don’t struggle off the deck. She’s “the one” 😂
I'm absolutely loving my new Cleveland 3+ 17 degree Hy-wood! With the shorter stock shaft this thing is very easy to hit.
Same I use my 5 wood at 16 and then hywood 18 and it’s my go to club off tee for 230-240 Carry
Its my go to club off off fairway for par 5
It’s gives results and never coming out the bag
I’m mixing it up this year. Used to go driver , 3 wood and 3 hybrid. But took out 3 wood and replaced it with a Chucky 2 iron for a back up off the tee. Doesn’t go quite as far as 3 wood but consistency is significantly better. Also has a lower ball flight, and even though off the deck goes a similar distance to hybrid, playing a sw Scotland links course the lower and highly ball flight option is a nice tool to have.
I used to carry a Dr, 3W and 3Hy. But never really felt comfortable with 3W off the deck. I changed to a 4W and that little extra loft really helped me feel confident over the ball
I’m still rocking a standard stealth 3 wood and 5 wood. Carry the 3 wood 265. Just put an Ai Smoke triple diamond 9° in my bag and hit a 330 yarder on the course with it. But I did just pick up a lightly used 2023 model BRNR 13.5 that I plan to replace my 3 wood with. lol
Just put in a mini driver with Ventus shaft and returned my 3 wood. Works great with my full driver and 5 wood set up. TM truck built it on the spot for me at my CC fitting.
I go Driver, Franken 4 wood, 7wood, 24* hybrid. I love the top of my bag now.
I put in a 25* hybrid in place of the 7. Bit shorter but better for attacking greens on the long 3s. The 1-4-7 SETUP IS GREAT.
If you’re only looking for a club off the tee try Golf Pride +4 grips. They allow me to grip down on all my clubs without changing the feel. If I need a shorter, flighted tee shot I grip down 1”-1.5” on the driver and tee it a little lower.
I’m all hybrids 5-2 atm. The king tecs with the stock mmt shaft fit me great and match my irons in feel so I’m not bouncing around different swing weights or flex stiffness from one shot to the next.
3w is a staple in my bag. Currently playing a cobra Rad speed. 15.5 it does everything. Fairway finder, easy off the deck. Fade or draw. If i replace it, it will be with another 3w
i´ve had the td 300 mini on the bag for 3 years now,,,, is low spin,, great great off the tee, and a low bullet on the fairway.., but very straight which works great on my tight windy course....i´ve always had problems hitting the driver aginst the wind,,, teeing it lower meant spinnyy short outcomes......for me works great..... is a bit shorter than my driver,,,,, and i´m getting fitted next week for the 5w, in order to get a hight¡r flight on the fairway,,, to replace my 3w,,,, i´ve been meaning to do it for a while and this is the final push... thank you!!
I have the mini driver for tee-shots. I am scared to try it in the fairway at 11.5.
Sold the 3wood for a 5 wood and I have a 7wood as well that I love, both stealth 1st gen...
I am not sure about the 5 wood, the ball goes very high...
There is a used stealth 2 plus 3 wood for sale near me for only 225$ canadian dollars...
Really tempted to come back to the 3 wood in the fairway as I used to hit it good...
Nice video guys.
I’ve been doing the mini driver/5 wood combo for around a month now, not sure I can ever go back to a 3 wood. Pretty similar situation to the video, 5 wood was going close to my 3 wood distance and the mini is so much more confidence inspiring off the tee
I'm a mini convert. Rarely hit 3w off deck and when I need less than driver, the BRNR is way more forgiving from the tee. From the deck, 5w is easier to get up than 3, and a bit less spinny and a little longer than the 7w.
My Sim2 Ti rocket 3 wood creeps up on the driver a bit too much when lofted down. For that reason it doesn't get used a lot, but it's the best looking and feeling club I have owned so it'll be in for ever.
Have an old biocell + lofted to 4w and love it.
I love the follower fittings. Any chance you have a 50 something with a high handing cap looking to get out of steel shafts and go to graphite.
If not, I would like to see something dealing with the best conversion steel to graphite.
I love mine. Ping G425. Could not hit the G410, but this thing is great!
I will always bag a 3W when I need get the ball out there off the tee but not quite as far as driver. Anything less, I will play a 3 hybrid.
I am loving my Callaway Apex UW (17 degree) That with a Cobra King Tec 4 Hybrid and that's really all I need. Maybe ..... lol
My 15° 3W is my club of choice for getting around tight right-to-left doglegs off the tee because of the way I can close stance then de-loft it in my grip to tilt the spin axis to produce ‘hook’ spin on the ball.
I am getting a full bag fitting from Club Champion. I'm definitely trying out the mini driver.
I have a 4 wood & I’ve cut my 5w down to hybrid length (adjusted swing weight) for a very forgiving long iron/hybrid option.
I love my 3 wood off the tee and fairway. My issue is 5w and 3h are roughly the same distance for me. And then my irons start.
Been playing the TSi2 16.5 degree lately and its been so much better than my 3 wood was.
I swithed to the Mini and 5 wood years ago when the TM SLDR mini came out
I have 3w, 5w, 9w, 5i at the top of the bag. Driver kept getting me in trouble. My 3 wood goes nearly as far and I keep it in play 😊 9wood is a perfect 200-210 yard 4 iron replacement. Forgiving as hell and it goes high. I have a low flight so it works great
Switched to a 4 and 7 wood three years ago - have never looked back! 😎
I’ve definitely thought of it!
This is the way.
That’s my setup. I carry a 3 wood head, dialed to 17 but with a five wood length shaft.
Same brother
@@J_B72Grogo approves!
I love my 3 wood use it off the tee and fairway Titleist tsr 2 +
would love to see a video of mini driver (13.5) with a left hand adapter playing at 15 deg vs a 15 deg 3 wood. I think that is an application many ppl may consider
Any chance of you guys getting the Titleist TSr 2W that we saw on the tour? I'm dying for that one.
Got rid of 3 and 4 irons, got the Paradym 5 and 7 woods. Best decision of my golf hobby.
Also wonder the dispersion difference and distance one between mini driver turned down in loft vs driver
Fitting in west Texas we sell a lot of 3 woods as they need to keep the ball flight down and want a lot of roll out because of the 30-40 mph gusting winds out there... sell lots of 5 woods in the dfw area, need a little more height and distance with the softer and plusher conditions.
This is exactly it. It all depends on what conditions you play in. I used to play a lot of links golf in Scotland. Good luck launching your 4/5/7 wood into that 40 miler ! But on modern inland courses carrying over deep bunkers the higher lofts are great.
For years I’ve played 15 or 16 degree hybrid and found them almost as long as 3W. But more accurate. Would love to see low loft hybrid vs 3W in Ian’s hands.
Ive hit a TM Ti 5w since the original SIM. I hit it every bit as far as any 3w Ive hit. If I catch it well it flies maybe 15 short of my driver.
Also Callaway UW: Driver ball speed, 41-inch shaft, great off the deck, flighted, workable.
Yes, I have the 17 deg in my bag and love it. 240ish off the deck and 250 off the tee.
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LOL, so they brought back the brassie. Amazing how things come back around.
Been rocking with a stealth 2 plus 3 and 5 wood…They are absolute weapons! Even playing at fairly long courses I’d imagine a lot of folks can get around just fine with 3/5 wood off the tee all day (they are hot these days!). Takes off a little pressure with the big stick. The ability to modify the launch with the little slider is fantastic on new TM woods. I know this may sound silly, but don’t you all think it gets a little boring hitting driver/wedge over and over again on par fours…?
My go to bag is my light stand bag with 9-10 clubs. I play for recreation. I have focused more on my short game clubs, my current setup is: putter, Cleveland SS Chipper, 56, 50, pw, 8i, 6i, 5h, 5w and driver. I like the SS Chipper because of its bounce and wide sole, it is nice have when you play from wet and pudding soft lies as well as around the green. I rather have more choice in my short game than in my long game. Between the driver, 5w and 5h, I get out there close enough to use my short clubs.
I do have a nice full 14 club bag also, but the light stand bag is easier to grab and go and it have become my preferred way of playing golf. I am a walker.
Love this! Sounds awesome
I have driver, 3 wood, 5 wood. But they're all very different. Rogue ST LS goes high and long, Ai Smoke TD 3 wood hits low rockets. Srixon ZX 5 wood is forgiving as it gets and launches high and straight with green holding spin. All about what you want different clubs to do at the top of the bag.
Took my 3 wood out of the bag 18 months ago and haven’t missed it one bit.
Driver(Qi10 LS), 3W(TSR3), and 3H(TSR3) in my bag. I struggle to hit a draw with a driver and can with 3W or 3H; off the tee (where I use them 95%) gives me options. I'm never hitting them off the deck unless I am in trouble. I understand the logic; for me.. it serves a purpose.
I’ve gone the other way - binned the 5 wood 🙈 I love my ai smoke max 3 wood, carries about 235, my driver carries about 255, 7 wood 210 carry. I’d like a mini driver but don’t really want a club that’s 10-15 yards shorter then my driver, and looks too big for fairway hits (to my eyes). I still may get a mini driver and crank the lift on 3 wood by 2° 👍🏻
These are my exact same yardages with D/3w/7w. I love the idea of the mini driver but see where it fits in. I hit my 3w a lot off fairway as my course has 4 long par 5s
@@massey8 yeah I like to hit my 3 wood off the deck a lot! A normal 3 wood gives me more confidence at address then a bigger mini driver, I have hit the brnr mini and it was epic, just not convinced off the deck or where it fits in my bag when my driver is so good 🙈
Took 3 wood out my bag a couple of years ago, Driver and 5 Fairway. Just put a 2 iron in and dropped all hybrids for long irons. The help I get in modern irons (T100S) means the hybrid isn't the added confidence it used to be.
Good stuff. Its funs being able to reach long par fives in two. I am using stealth 2 three wood and stealth 2 nine wood. Trying to gap in between them despite the non adjustable hosels. Would it be 7 or 5 wood? Or both?
I used a TM original one mini for a season as a 3w replacement. It worked well, but didn't hold up well cosmetically to being hit off the deck. I only sold it because I got a memebership at a course where I never really needed it, but the resale value really suffered due to the condition. I should have kept it I guess because now I'm at a course where I could use it, but don't want to buy a new one knowing that it may get banged up just as quickly.
Ian what do you have the length at? Also what’s the standard tipping recommendation for the mini?
I’ve gone to Driver, 20° hybrid (fairway & punch shot use), and Srixon 20° driving iron(off the tee) for the top end. It’s just one less swing to master. I can get 250-260 off the Tee with the driving iron. Generally all the distance I need.
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Yeah it’s definitely thinking about my top end
I went from tsr3 3 wood. To a tsr2+ 2 wood and tsr5 wood. And the plus flys so straight and is easy to control for tight fairways even for a mid handicapper like me and the 5 so much easier off the deck
I love my 3W. Still rocking a Big Bertha 3+. I don’t like the low profile that most 3Ws are now.
I taken both driver and 3w out. Mini Driver (set at 12) and 5w (or 3Hy depending on course) are it for me. Could not be more pleased. I see zero value in a 3w now and I am only 10 yards shorter with Mini than with my old G430Max .... but waaaaay more fairways hit thus far. Mini for the win.
I would be interested to play a 2-5-7 setup in summer when the run is good.
Great video boys. The question I have is about Ian's 5 wood: At 16.5* it's probably coming in a bit hot to stop on a green. So if it's a tee ball club, what's the point of the mini driver? Does he have 3 clubs for tee shots? Would going driver, mini driver, 18,* or maybe driver, 16.5*, 20* be better for attacking par 5s? I have similar speed to Ian and I'm building the top of my bag, so just curious why you've gone with those choices, not a knock!
Slower swing speed here, but I don’t have much shaft lean at impact and have always been able to get away with gapping and height with a 15* to 18*. I only use three wedges so I can carry 3/5/7/9 woods for tighter long game gaps; it’s the gaps with driver to 16.5* to 21* that weren’t as even nor what I wanted to see
Have a specific question regarding the correlation between vertical launch, attack angle, club loft, and dynamic loft. Is there an ideal amount/rule for the amount of de-lofting that supposed to take place on irons. In other words if you have a 32 degree 7 Iron is there an ideal amount of de-lofting that would show up on dynamic loft? I know you have done videos on the topic but I have been trying to correlate the trackman published data for PGA people. From what I can see on a Trackman it is around 8-10 degrees is that correct?
Of course on a tee nothing beats the mini driver but I’ll be fun to see the difference from the ground !!! The question also is why would you need two driver if you hit them from a tee ???
Bought one, took out he Stealth+ 3 wood and won’t change back. 3 wood off the tee gave me a few bad hooks where mini flies straight. No problems off the deck, actually hit it better off the deck versus a very low tee.
Stealth 9 degree driver, stealth 4W and stealth 6W with a stealth 2 3hybrid as a sub before the P7mc 4iron.
What adaptor is on the Mini Driver? Is it the same as the fairways or is it the same as their drivers? ...Or does TM use the same adaptor across the board?
What kind of shaft would you place in a mini driver? Same like in a 3 wood? Longer, shorter? Lighter, heavier? Have my TM 3 wood with Tour AD DI 7x and was thinking to use the shaft in the TM Mini Driver.
So what length did you play the mini driver at, I feel that the only way that I would get much better accuracy with a mini driver compared to driver would be with a shorter shaft, I haven't played a 3 or 4 wood longer than 42.5" in several years.
What would you say for the average speed swinger . Ie 100 mph. I go driver , 4 w , 3 and 4 hy 5 iron
I wanted to hate the mini driver but 5 rounds in and it’s probably the best club in my bag. Rocket off the tee at an easy 275 and stunningly easy 250 off ground
I haven’t bagged a 3 wood in a very long time. I could never justify using it over driver off the tee, and the 5 wood is much better off the turf. I think 4w/7w is a combo that could work for a lot of people.
I have only 5-wood and the gapping is fine. Carry about 200m, rollout to 210-2015. Driver carry max around 220m and rollout to 230-240 meters.
Question......If you want a fairway finder why not just take a 12 degree driver, reduce the shaft length to 43.5", add a few grams to the head to get the swing weight back up to D2-D4? You'll have to dial in the right shaft but I think standing over a 460cc head will be even more confidence inspiring than standing over a 300cc head. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that idea.
It's interesting how sometimes old ideas come back around. I recall about 20-25 years ago, before Tight Lies and Orlimar changed the game, when 3 woods were larger heads with deep faces. Hitting a 3 wood off the tee was a lot easier, and the perfect choice for tight fairways.
3W at 14.5 and 7W at 21 is a perfect combo for me. However if I was forced to have one fairway wood it’ll be a 4W or 5W.
I hit the mini TM the other day and off the tee(low) I was just skying it then the same off the deck. I wasn’t swinging the best. I just could figure out what it was
There is one hole on my home course where a 3w is routinely attractive. The rest either don’t need it, or demand my very best to avoid trouble. 5 wood / 3 hybrid much more relevant.
I have a 5w, a 2H, a 2i a 3W. I go back and forth, just can't decide to be honest. In most cases though, I lean towards having the 2H and the 2i in my bag I play the 2H from the field usually and that 2i off the tee if I am not using driver. I have seriously considered playing a 5w though as it just feels easier to predict.
I carry Mini driver 5 wood, 3 wood reduntant now have to stand on a 3w for 300 yards where as a Mini is much easier to hit 300 then 5 w for 250 carry, I’m debating a 9w addition
Why not use 3 wood head lofted up at 16 or 16.5 with 5wood shaft length (maybe draw bias) to have the increased forgiveness of a bigger profile?
The question depends on handicap, as a junior I used a 2 wood, it was a weapon strong off the tee, and effective off the deck. Now age 67, my 3 wood, 16.5 degree AiSmoke effectively a 4 wood, is 25 yards behind my driver and super straight, i also carry a 7 wood turned down to 5.5 wood, opens the face up and again 25 yards behind my 3/4wood so gapping works for me, not sure where a 2 wood fits in my bag. 30 years ago, i am sure it would have worked. Lastly, my driver is also a AiSmoke, 9 degree, turned down to 8, i can grip down for a fairway finder, still have the ability to work it both ways, so yet again mini driver doesn’t suit my bag.
Not dead. Just time and place. I have four options for that spot in the bag. 13.5* or 15* fairway wood or 11.5* or 13.5* mini driver.
And i will play 18* fairway wood or 18* driving iron.
Set up depends on weather/conditions, if i need it off the tee or in the fairway, and the course lay out.
Is the mini driver playing at standard legth or did you cut it down any?
I'm just don't think I could ever replace my 3 wood. It's always been so consistent and gaps perfectly between driver and 3hy/3i. Mini drivers are cool for nostalgia from the OG though
Did you say that callaway had a mini driver? I haven’t seen an official announcement yet - did I miss it?
My gapping is Dr>3w>utility 3i>4i-G>56>60
I just got an ai smoke 3 hybrid. I just played with it today and smoked it 250 yards. I don't get any meaningful gains from a longer wood. It's an insane club!
I'm an old guy. I cannot get the distance of my youth. My driver is a 3W, 225yds average. The driver just was not giving me consistency. The miss hits hurt me much less than the driver and made my overall score go up. I have a 5W, 7W, 9W, 11W, 8i-PW, GW, SW, LW, putter. This has helped a lot and with senior shafts I'm getting what I can from the clubs. The fairway woods are easy to hit from the rough. My chipping and putting help me a lot. The ego crusher? Playing the old man tees, but it keeps a foursome moving along and keeps my handicap at 12. Use what suits you best. Also, be honest with yourself. Go have fun. It is supposed to be fun.
I have my 3 wood at 260 carry and a 3 hybrid at 235 carry that works good for me I don’t want something to go close to my driver length because that’s more my layback club off the tee
3 wood isn't dead. It's player need/requirement/want/use dependant. I carry a TM Stealth+ rocket for tee use. Its a good 280 club from the tee but I never use it off the deck because I don't have to.
Yeah so get a 5 wood and you will hit it 265 off the tee and 250 off the deck
I’m telling you, the 5 wood is the best club in the bag
@@mikerogers1949 Actually - I don't need to. I was on the range since this video and I found gripping down a bit and loft it up to 14.5* I carry my 3 wood around 260. I also carry a TM SIM UDI 2 iron and hat club is a steady 248 carry and I can work it low fade, mid fade and high fade.
This is where the average golfer needs to be honest with themselves. Yeah sure we all want to play what the pros play. But reality is us average joes just don’t have the swing speed. Loft is our friend. I’ve swapped out the top of the bag. Gone are the turned up 9.5 driver, 15 3 wood and now playing 11.5 turned down, 18 5 wood turned down 3 wood shaft, 18 5 wood turned up 7 wood shaft.
Absolute game changer.
What I’m saying is fitting is a must, but do it opening minded to what you need. Results on the course matter the most
i'm still surprised cheap package sets still have 3 wood and not 5. i love my Cobra SZ 5 wood
I dropped my 3Wood for a 5Wood. I can set it to 17* and almost get the same yardage with better consistency because of the shorter shaft.
3 woods alive. I just still see it as an option for players who want to attack long par 5 fives on their second shot or play something more spinny and safe off the tee. I’d rather have a 3 wood spinning at 3200 heading into a par 5 then a flat mini coming in at 2300. Again it just all depends on what you want. I’ve personally put the mini @11.5 as my driver replacement 300-310 yards high and straight in the air with about 2500-3000 spin. I like it on my narrow courses where I don’t need that extra 15-25 yards with my driver.
Driver built to favor a fade. 3 wood is easier to draw off the tee or turf and can be setup as such. 7w or 3h is next in bag and should be neutral to hit either way.
Okay, my issue is, there ARE times I struggle HEAVY with my driver but I like to use my 3 wood… would this be ideal for me to just keep as a back up is my question