Thank You, same here, you should be allowed to cheat on a single player game as much as you want, if you bought it. I get the anti cheat for online playing, but that has nothing to do with single player.
@@neoasura yea old gta series were really good with this and i played them soley for the anything i can do open world, i wish gta 5 and rdr2 had many cheat codes too
My biggest problem with kernel-space anti-cheat is that it is more anti-Linux than it is anti-cheat. It makes it impossible to run in WINE, and it isn't even much better at stopping cheaters.
Yeah but look at it from a developer perspective. The amount of ppl using Linux to game is much lower than the amount you can retain with a good anticheat blocking most of the cheaters. It obviously sucks, but its business.
Dear god was if hit hard lately... hope valve can get their act together and fix their cash cow after over 2 years of letting it die and still raking in money from it
Back when halo 3 was around it would constantly freeze and kick you to the main menu but any time it did this you would lose point and even rank down :( it made getting 7 points in one day near impossible.
The most problematic part of this is that in many cases this anti-cheat software - written by amateurs - runs on ring 0 of the operating system. Sony did that for their music, many people their system got hijakced because of this, it did not take long before malfarious people found vulnerabilities and wrote code to abuse it.
@Eboy Warrior Bullcrap, the designers know exactly what the system is doing. Only tier 3 developers would not know that. These guys are no amateurs and yes, nobody is forcing you to play their games.
@@quAdxify they dont. It does not matter how good the people working on a software are, once the software reaches a certain size they will lose the overview.
there was a fucking ActiveX thingy for interfacing with the driver- and you could exploit it from that- meaning loading a webpage could give you fucking ring0, oh and there uninstaller had the exact.. same.. problem..
You get very little cheaters. That’s the whole point for it being kernel. Only the most determined are able to cheat. It functions as intended, and does so good as well. Note: Computer Temp problems involving Vanguard were resolved in patch 0.5.
@@houndbite2 Damn, thats some real skill ruclips.net/video/ATkpqYmWt8k/видео.html sorry next time ill learn to see peoples names through walls... i guess ur right
Have they seriously not whitelisted fan and RGB controlling programs? I refuse to play anything from Riot ever since they tried to cook my CPU by disabling iCUE. Fuck them.
@@Ketris0 it's an ongoing issue with things that run easy anti cheat. I finally found that you could reinstall it in seconds and fix the issue I had trying to play dead by daylight while my gskill lighting was on.
here's my idea, since modding can be fun, but legit players do still exist, use anticheat to detect modders and instead of banning them place them in lobbies with similar modders. yeah?
Fall guys devs did this, made a special ”server” for cheaters. That put them all in the same lobby. Server full of flying, speedhacking beans, Also did infinity loading for cheaters, made them just be stuck in ”waiting for players loading screen” good devs. 👏🏻
@@nagasako7 What do you mean? most of the games that have these issues are coming to consoles as well, they likely will not include anti-cheat though as that is unnecessary for the most part.
@@Mog-Ops I can recommend Winaero Tweaker for setting up windows crap on a new machine. It's pretty much just a giant settings window for all the Windows settings you normally dont have access to or have to use the registry for. It has plenty of features including: disabling Cortana, Telemetry data, advertisements in Windows etc.
That might be the case with Doom’s Denuvo. I use cheats for single player and they work 100% fine. Never gone into multiplayer but I’m assuming it would kick me out. Battlefield Hardline does kick me out after sometime because I cheated in single player. Probably because some of the unlocks in single player (only cosmetics) carry over and I’m level 1 and have clothing patches way beyond my level. But, it’s Hardline and there’s maybe 1 server that MAYBE gets filled on a random Tuesday every 3 months when the Jupiter aligns with...
The biggest problem with anti-cheat is that you can't prevent someone from doing what they want with their own hardware (and if you could, that'd be really bad for consumer rights). All anti-cheat software can in theory be circumvented with hardware access, it's just a matter of time and knowledge.
@@R3ddyyg Well if the anti-cheat software is coded to detect alterations in the game code it can deny you access to multiplayer mode. Problem solved. This way I can still play single player without some anti-cheat that's really only good to use in multiplayer anyway.
1:20 - Wait a second. I was around in the 90's and the 2000's. The kernel mode DRM causing BSODs came first, before the cheats moved that way - because lets face it, kernel mode is more complicated. Other than "who started it", everything else in this video was spot on. I still remember when BF2 and Battlefield 2142 stopped working and kicked me off immediately... Punkbuster stole my games. Learned years later that it was likely MSI Afterburner that Punkbuster deemed inappropriate - because it had an on-screen overlay. That could be used for nefarious purposes after all. Just think of all the evil software, like Steam or Discord, which utilise overlays. We can't possibly allow that!
I used to be an admin for BF3 and BF4. Punkbuster allowed us admins to request a screenshot of a small section of your game to check for cheat overlays. I'm pretty sure the anticheat required special permissions to be able to do that. And I did see people get caught cheating as evidence would be uploaded on ban streaming sites, these people also got reported and eventually have their accounts banned.
@@alex22tp I couldn't click on a part of the screen. I was going mad. And it only happened after Valorant + Vanguard installation. After uninstalling everything is fine !
I think another issue regarding Valorant that wasn't brought up, is the fact that Riot Games are owned by Tencent, a massive chinese tech and media conglomerate. A lot of people have concerns that because the Anti-Cheat is constantly running, it could have the potential to spy on players
If Vanguard anti-cheat wants to prevent me undervolting my laptop, it would be nice for them to at least suggest an alternative that fits their anti-cheat.
Modern anti-cheat acts a lot like the heavily maligned Starforce DRM of the past. That is not even close to a good thing. Why would anyone try to replicate how that borderline malware operated?
The difference really is that the DRM is optional but if competitive games don't deal with cheaters they will die. It's simple as that. So naturally the developers try anything they can. Valve had a good idea with their trustfactor system but not every publisher has such a big platform they can bind in so they try their best.
@@quAdxify Exactly, BFV has a huge problem with people cheating and now the game has had it's final update over 12 months before the next game is supposed to be released. If EA/Dice actually did something about the cheats in game then people might be a bit more willing to spend the cash on cosmetics...
@@quAdxify "but if competitive games don't deal with cheaters they will die." I think Necro's issue is more with the approach, rather than with having anti cheat though.
What do you expect if even this comment section where the video explained how even the best Anticheat works, people scream for better anticheat. Its not like the Anticheat devs were like "this will be fine". They knew it would be a catastrophe, but you can't explain why stopping cheaters the easy way does not work if the average joe does not understand how code works.
@⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ Because Windows is... unpredicable at times. Also people don't want to support or don't trust Microsoft and like the Open-Source Alternative more
At this point you can only rely on indie games and old games. Anything else is likely unsafe, untrustworthy, not really owned by you by disguising it as a service, or otherwise shady On the plus side I think my computer might be 10 years old until I need a replacement, since the rotten AAA videogame industry are the ones who usually push the hardware
Private or custom servers haven’t been a thing on AAA multiplayer games for a while now. Devs and publishers have been hostile to them in the past. Again, more about control and less about fairness.
@@unocualqu1era the thing is free! Use your brain and stop repeating nonsense you hear without actually reflecting on it. Any industry is rotten as it's only goal is to maximize profits, that's true for 100% of for profit industry my friend, nothing new, no conspiracy, nothing changed.
Stop acting like entitled brats. This is a free game you CAN play. They developed it. They host 128 tick servers. They let you use it for FREE. Yet all you ungrateful brats act like RIOT owed you something. YOU DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Nobody is forcing you to even think about the game. Nobody is forcing you to be a user of a free service, you are not a customer or in anyways entitled to anything regarding this game. The world and especially Riot does not owe you shit, they can do with THEIR game whatever they want. Don't like the anti cheat? DON'T PLAY THE FUCKING GAME and stop trying to ruin the experience for everyone else, who actually values to not play against cheaters in every 2nd match.
I've been getting random BSODs lately. So I've run driver verifier and yup - it was caused by vanguard -_- Valorant seems like a great game, a lot of my friends play it and I enjoy it too, but I like my computer 100% stable. Not to mention giving kernel level access to my computer to chinese company kinda stinks.
@@RickZune Yeah, when something goes wrong with any Apple product the only solution is to throw it away with all your data and buy a new, shiny, latest gen, super overpriced, zero customer services replacement! Oh, how wonderful being a mac boy truly is!
Next step will be hardware. CPU and GPU manufacturer work together with software developer to implement anti temper on hardware level. Apple have done this with their T1 & T2 chips. AMD Epyc server CPU begin to implement hardware memory encryption. Unrooted Android already done this on the SoC security chip. Console also have hardware level anti temper. Only gaming desktop doesn't have this. This is why these stupid anti-cheat is used instead.
i got into valorant beta a month ago, saw that i couldn't view my cpu temperature because it was blocked and then promptly uninstalled. it's literally chinese spyware
Something big you didn't mention is that, especially if poorly coded, it presents a maaaaassive security hole, as if they can find a way into the anti-cheat software, well, now they have kernel-level access to your computer through it. And also everyone else's computer who has the game.
The thing that bothers me with such software (especially one that is always running) is that it never shows you what it actually does. It should be illegal to program such software without telling the user every single operation it makes when it is running in the background.
I think aspect of the discussion that is missing involves cheats that don't even run on your computer, making it impossible for even a kernel-mode software to detect it.
@@untrust2033 There was a gaming motherboard that analysed the sound output for footstep frequencies (or any others you want to monitor) and overlaid a radar displaying where they're coming from.
@@akaDL Network sniffer is even waaaaay to complex for such a easy task as using the cheat on another computer. It can be done even easier, one Account and Computer that runs the hack, gets all the values and prints them on the map. And lets say 3 computers of other players which just need to open a website where the map with all its player locations gets casted. Its super easy to implement. Think about it your buddy running a hack on his computer where you see the whole map and every player. Your PC is near next to him and you also see the players. Even easier for the average joe to explain : (fictional example), someone is cheating on Twitch with the map open, you see where every player is. If you are in the same server the position of the players is the same for you so you would basically just watch his stream to see where everyone is. Or even simpler example : You are streamsniping a streamer, you see his position all the time without needing to run any software.
I've been having freezing problems with Valorant where it would completely freeze my computer and then take forever to restart after force shutting down. It happened so much that I had to reinstall the game. It's getting pretty ridiculous.
@CrispinSauce why should you have to do that? A game should be a simple executable, turn your PC on play a game, play another game. Reboot required is very sloppy implementation, especially as the reason for it to be disabled is its doing things not related to the game its protectiing.
Valorant was hacked in days btw. There are a lot of hackers and clips of hackers as we speak. Saying that Vanguard is the ultimate solution is like saying The Titanic never sank.
Imagine if they can access your saved passwords and bank details in the computer as well. Making anti cheat's actually better than having a gold mine then. Lmao
I mean they took the "please don't fire your employees during the coof"-money and bought investments with it, so if they're willing to steal our money, they're probably willing to steal our money.
Glados92 as soon as you login somewhere you need to transmit those passwords in a readable format. And since valorants anticheat conveniently runs on boot it could access those passwords as well.
People need to get a grip, either you want agressive anticheat which leads to huge problems because otherwise you won't catch 80% of the cheaters, or you accept the situation that the game runs good but theres some cheaters. People are like "I want a phone with a battery that lasts 4 days, but the processor should be as fast as my desktop". You can't have both. And if you do, your battery is bigger than the phone itself and makes it unusable.
I heard Vanguard tried to start Russian Nukes. Guys, this thing is the anti christ, believe me, what I hear is always true, on the internet nobody ever lies!
@@Visstnok Actually very possible, if the AIO was plugged into and controlled via a driver in the computer vanguard might have stopped it. I have heard multiple people say it shuts down their RGB controller. That is what anti-cheat does, it stops suspicious-looking services and reports them.
BattlEye has been caught taking screenshots of desktops while games are not being played. EAC has had many issues over the years. I refuse to run either. I have also never run into a cheat which requires administrative privileges to run. Disassembling them is a great way to figure out how they work and how to block them or how to harden game engines. Still, the largest maker of cheats out there, with a subscription-based service service and everything, does not require kernel-mode access and his stuff beats kernel-mode anti-cheats. This tells me as an IT security professional, that kernel-mode anti-cheats are as useless as normal ones. I am not saying there isn't some magical cheat which requires admin to run out there somewhere, but that brings up two major issues. One, a normal user could not run it anyway. Two, would you really trust somebody writing cheats not to access sensitive info or join your system to a botnet for a more nefarious use at a later date? Too risky. Also, I have not come across a game in over a decade which requires admin privileges to run. Are people still pumping out Win9X code or something? Win9X code usually requires admin to run correctly, but not always. Lords of The Realm 2 and Lords of Magic SE run fine as a normal user, for example. If a game has a required anti-cheat which wants ring0 access, I don't buy the game or I buy it and only play with trusted friends. I already caught BattlEye running while I was watching RUclips. Never again will I run a ring0 anti-cheat.
I don't think there's any code that can claim to have 0 bugs, hell, even "Hello World!" can have bugs, and literally all it does is print hello world to the terminal and quit. I don't trust kernel level code, Microsoft have been writing code at that level since the 1970's, and they still haven't figured out how to write completely secure code, what makes Riot think they're going to do any better? It's a supreme level of arrogance that comes from those who think that because they can code a video game that they know jack shit about kernel mode software development. :(
In addition to what was mentioned in this video there's also privacy concerns (as mentioned in other comments), concerns about supply chain attacks (look at CCleaner, an excellent and completely legit program that has twice suffered from supply chain attacks), and the fact that many cheat programs don't even run on the computer playing the game. To break that down the privacy concerns are pretty simple, when you have a program running all the time collecting God knows what data it's concerning. Supply chain attacks on a Kernal Level program means that even if the original devs had the best intentions someone else could hack their servers and push an update to people PCs that installs malware at the Kernal Level and without any signs that it's happening (Kernal Level drivers don't have to display notifications or ask permission for anything and can even hide from task manager). The third point is also pretty self explanatory, plenty of cheat software actually runs on another computer on the same network and intercepts data between the gaming computer and the gaming server. Anti-Cheat software on the gaming computer can't do anything about that no matter what level it runs at. Encrypting data between the Computer and the Server might help but that also introduces latency. The best solution would be to implement simple checks in game to see if players are consistently 'getting lucky' or if their reactions are impossibly fast (something spam filters have done for years). There's still some risk that the programs would misinterpret real expert play (or just insanely good luck) as cheating but it would still be a much better solution that could be fine tuned later on and can run on both the host computer and the game. Most games aren't currently optimized for multi-threading so most of the time the games (and I presume the servers) could easily have a separate thread checking these things with minimal impact.
Anti-Cheat then: I run with the program when it starts and closes when closed. Anti-Cheat now: People still do that? Malware Kernels: Let's give this guy a secret trojan. Ant-Cheat Kernels: No way we will get hacked and a secret trojan will be implemented.
There's a better solution, *AI based anti-cheats* Valve's machine-learning VACNET is already pretty good, they just need to give it the ban hammer. AI based systems have a potential to be more accurate AND be less intrusive. Edit: VACNET is different from VAC, just to be clear.
sorry to break it to you but VAC is one of the most useless and easy to bypass anticheats of them all, vacnet works by detecting anomalies in game code and then crossreferencing that with other peoples games and if there are enough people also with that same anomaly in their game it will flag it as cheating and vac ban you, so if you write up your own cheats and no one else uses them you will never be banned.
From the description of the photo: "Preview releases of Windows have a green screen of death instead of a blue one so they can be easily distinguished". I have used preview versions of Windows 10 in the past, but have never seen a GSOD. While in the stable version every 3 months I almost always received a BSOD
Windows Insider builds have a green STOP screen. I found that I still got the green color after opting out of the Windows Insider program on my main PC. There have been similarly esoteric colors in other Windows versions. Early betas of 98 had a red screen for critical ACPI errors, and I believe that early Vista betas used a red screen for Windows Boot Manager errors.
if you're developing client side anti cheat there's 3 options you have 1. run it on ring 3 and have it almost fucking useless (vac) 2. run it on ring 0 and make it intrusive af but code it well (eac, battleye) 3. go full retard mode and make backdoor disguised as anti cheat (esea, vanguard)
@@rosco3 Anti-cheat may break other areas of your system by aggressively interfering with shit. Had a problem with an anti-cheat that *fucked up my PC* and it took a month of troubleshooting random bizarre errors, reinstalling drivers, and eventually clean installing the OS to get everything working normally again. A third party antivirus (like Avast for example) can also cause problems like this but that is *extremely rare,* since most antivirus software aren't coded by retards.
i mean, it does, usually for about 24 hours or less, then someone has developed a workaround, then the anti-cheat software gets patched and things are good for another few hours, then the cheat software gets patched then.....you see where this is going yeah? like don't get me wrong, i hate getting aimbotted as much as the next guy, but can we really blame anti-cheat developers for having to do more and more crazy stuff, when cheat developers are doing the exact same thing in reverse? the only way to even remotely stop this arms race (for now) is to take the client out of the hands of the player and stream everything with a stadia type service, where the player AND cheat developers don't have access to the system or the game files to manipulate, but then, whats to stop someone developing an aimbot that is hardware, i.e it hooks into a mouse and keyboard socket and monitors the screen with a camera and then utilizes AI to do the work? stuff like this is already being worked on. i want anti-cheat that works too man, but its not that easy.
Proof? Check unknowncheats, seems like most of the cheats and AHK cheat scripts are detected and people are getting HWID bans really fast and none of the spoofers work anymore.
Despite this it still had cheaters and A HUGE amount of them day 2 or 3 of beta i believe. I think it should start when you launch the game and they should do something similar to valve with maybe ai learning. Regardless, it should 100% launch only with the game
@Star Junior yea, easy anti cheat runs kernel but it runs when the game starts, that's how it always should be. At least with that you won't be bricking your system lol
There is one more thing unsaid in video. Monitoring. For example via System Monitor (from Sysinternals) you can easly monitor every user mode program in your computer. Like XXX.exe wants to read YYY.doc file, ZZZ.exe wants access to keyboard, AAA.exe wants to capture clicks, BBB.exe wants to create registry key. All those stuff are possible to monitor... if they don't run in kernel mode. Basicly if user mode (even with admin privilages) program want to do something illegal, it is easy to check both by you and by Anti-virus vendor. Only way to monitor driver for sake of checking, is to run it in Virtual machine, but kernel mode drivers often refuse to run in VM. Which basicly means, you need to be really PRO security expert to detect anything.
I remember back in the days of Windows 98 when you would be playing a game or running a program and then all the sudden, the message would pop up saying "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down". This I remember used to scare people into thinking that the cops were about to arrest them because of the word "illegal". The first thing that comes to mind about the word "illegal" is something thats against the law.
Your steam account is now banned from vac servers please make a new account and keep on cheating (I really hate that steam does not make any attempt to even ban the pc from been able to play, a steam account ban is nothing to a cheater if you don't even try to ban the pc as well or at least make sure they can only match make with other cheaters only)
@@leexgx That's only a problem with free2play games. For paid games the amount of money you have to burn through until you write a successful cheat will be pretty high, and not worth it.
a good anticheat is invisible to the user; VACnet does a pretty good job at detecting cheaters, otherwise it wouldn't exist with the huge investment valve poured into it TF2 on the other hand.. doesn't have VACnet, just VAC..
I actually think community moderation is better than anti cheat software, if developers are effective at dealing with player reports and willing to compensate players who have lost ranked points, or have simply had a bad experience due to cheating, it can be a much healthier system
Let's see how my most-played library stacks up... Chrono Trigger, FFIV, Legend of Zelda (various entries), Super Mario Bros (various entries), Mario Kart (especially Wii), Donkey Kong Country, SF2T, DooM (the original), Portal, Rayman Legends, Octopath Traveler, and my random projects as a hobbyist game dev ===== vs ===== Fortnite and Minecraft I think you all see where my alliance lies... Split-screen is still the definitive multiplayer experience. Sure online mp makes it a lot easier to connect with distant friends, but there's just something special about sitting next to the friends you're playing with.
Would've been nice to also mention the approach Valve has taken with VACnet in CS:GO, as it is a completely different (and new) approach to anti-cheat.
BlumenkohlTV yeah but the way it works is for long term, by using deeplearning it will make anti cheat better with time but also won’t exploit the user’s computer/make the computer work worse
Honestly, I would prefer VACnet over Vanguard, even when it does let some cheaters slip through. +Riot are saying that they are doing banwaves, which means players can launch the game with cheats, which means the constant system surveillance doesn't really help that much.
@@coletm7146 Exploit me all you want, as long as my gaming performance is not sacrificed. As long as it does a thorough job banishing cheaters....Permanently👐🏾
As a Kernel Driver Developer this video needs to be re worked. Vanguard is a Leap in Technology thats much needed. The comment section is kind of funny because many people are like its a virus, its a rootkit/bootkit. Well your operating system has a process called ntoskernel.exe which is your kernel or root of your operating system. Rootkit doesnt mean its a virus, it means a piece of software that runs in the root of your operating system. Battleye, Easy Anti Cheat, and Many more companies utilize rootkits or lets be proper and call the kernel drivers. The reason is the kernel or root of your operating system has direct hardware communication and many other privileges. This is needed due to the fact that usermode anti cheats just cant do anything if a cheat is kernel based. Easy Anti Cheat blocks loading of kernel drivers and so much more but it doesnt boot with your pc, hence why if you ever have cheated in a battleye or eac protected game you load your cheats before the game starts essentially being the first step of bypassing it. Vanguard Anti Cheat boots with your pc making that a thing of the past and for that i commend riot games for taking a step that needed to be taken. Thanks for Reading, Tempest17
The main problem I have with the Vanguard anti-cheat is the company behind Riot (Tencent) being controlled by the Chinese government. Even if Riot’s intentions aren’t malicious, that doesn’t mean that other parties can’t take control.
It's interesting that the main reason why they decided to start Vanguard with the PC is to have a permanent ban function. A full hardware ban which is unspoofable because Vanguard will notice your spoof. Of course it still is a scary thing to have a kernel level driver load before anything else, possibly causing some major issues.
I think the most fool proof (and also least invasive) solution to cheating is using AI to spot cheaters. Cheaters generally stand out pretty well to someone who knows what to look for, so training an AI to look for the same things should be quite doable. It could check stats and gameplay in real time and report suspicious players to something like CSGO's overwatch system.
You could've mentioned that Riot officially announced that it will put Vanguard on League of legends too, which btw will kill the ability to play it on Linux as a side effect :(
Anti-Cheat on Dead By Daylight requires me to shut off my RGB lighting controller. Apparently RGB makes you a cheater and gives you an unfair gaming advantage. That alone is enough reason for me to want more RGB! ROFL
If I had my way, writing kernel-level anti-cheat software would be illegal and would be considered felony digital trespassing (basically felony hacking).
So let me get this straight... The response to people bootstrapping applications to modify it's behavior is to install literal rootkits and bootstrap the entire OS. Sounds real secure - I can see no way in which this could be used in a horribly malicious way /s
Yes apparently the response to people voulntarily installing user space porgrams is to forcibly rootkit them with proprietary buggy software. This has no chance to go wong and isn't at alll an overreaction. /s
Im not buying software with ANY type of copy protection anymore. If they want to my wallet, they have to be willing to sell me a game and they arent doing that if i cant copy it.
@@rtg5881 I honestly want to give games companies money for good games but they would clearly prefer if I pirated them, considering how they try to dissuade me from buying with their anti-consumer bs.
The developers said that the performance drop had nothing to do with Denuvo but was just a pure coincidence because of a coding error in that same patch.
Once my PC crashed while playing Fortnite (1 year ago). The game is so bad it even crashes your entire PC mid game, crashes because you get a friend request, has input delay/cancellation partially, can accidentally become Windowed instead of remaining Fullscreen mid game, and even change your settings
I honestly think side-side anti-cheats will be the best, that way the user has no direct access to it. Although with the steady rise of deep learning cheats (mainly aim) I am confident they'd be hard to counter if at all without a ai to counter it making just a feedback loop.
Psh, so you thought. Open up task manager, go to details, sort by name and scroll down to the "O" Originhelperservice is a kernel level service you cannot opt out of, and launches (delayed) at boot... quiet, but effective.
@@JaradC haven't used origin for years but before didn't had issues. But it's still annoying as if you have few games with different anticheat programs... How much of crap you pc should Carry before doing something you need. If it's go on consumers will get they 64 cores cpu soon but 60 of them be dedicated to background 3 party software what useful 5min a week but have to boot with PC.
@@tomrolle 3 of those exist on my Windows 10 install... And I'm pretty sure all 3 date back to windows XP and older. One goes back to 3.1 (maybe older)... They're all there for backwards compatibility afaik.
@@tin2001 the point i was trying to make is that drv is a file extension literally for device drivers, which where the point of the video at that moment, while sys just generally represents a system ressource. If we go from what your drivers are really composed of we get a mix of exe, sys, dll or whatever the driver author wants to throw in.
the problem is: there is something called legit cheating that isn't as obvious as the things mentioned above. But i agree that an anticheat shouldn't have that many privileges...
anti-cheats are generally sh1t, it's the servers that need to be more authoritative - the client (you, basically) tell the server what you're doing. If you modify your client, you can tell the server that what you're doing is different than what is intended. If I tell the server my player is going extremely fast (speedhack) then the server has no option but to listen and respond - the server has to check that what the player does is correct, so staying normal speed. This is why the corrections must come from the server, to check that all player actions are legal. Obviously, putting all the corrections/checks on the server may make the server have more to deal with, but it would stop a lot of cheats from existing. Implementing client side anti cheats is impossible, because the client has to send all the commands, and not check for correct input.
You can't prevent all cheats just by making the server authoritative. For example wall hacks or aimbots can't be detected by a server, the only way to detect them is with a client side anti cheat. And what do you mean client side anti cheats can't be implemented, there were a few listed in this video that already exist.
autorithative servers only prevent breaking rules hacks... like spawning objects removing objects teleporting flying etc...... however any hack related to the user input like making abot play for you, automatied keyboard scripts or something like that would still work.... autorithative servers also make the game less lag friendly and should only be used on competitive games only, cooperative games should avoid as much as possible to allow high ping play easier. but yeah autorithative servers are better for competitive, but still don't solve the input hack problem, dota 2 is 100% autorithative for example... but you still have scripts that auto explode a bomb of techies for example or to automatic use a item for you.... but theres no cheats that break the rules of the game tho, no infinite life no teleports no faster cooldown or anything , there was a exploit that allowed maphack (the server don't send info of the people on fog of war) but the client could send a command to follow a enemy (hacked memorys stuff) and the enemy would path to that direction so hacks was able to get the position of people that way..... but it was patched......... in any case autorithative servers should remove the most terrible hacks tho.... take alook at gta v no autorithative there and the hacks can do crazy stuff, but it can't fix everything.
wallhack can probably be prevented by not sending player locations to clients which have players that are out of sight, sound should still be sent however for obvious reasons also aimbot can be detected by the server however it requires a neural network due to how complex aimbot is
Rišo Závodský actually it can, and in my opinion probably equally as fool proof as current intrusive anti-cheats. I been victimized a few times and banned for “no reason” before as well. I’m sure there is a reason however at the times I was cheating nor did I have any cheating software at the time. And since being banned I have returned to those games and do run mods and “cheat” (not really but this is about anti cheat software so all mods to anti anti cheat is cheating) and haven’t been banned for using mods even really terrible ones.... yet prior I got banned for probably running some RGB software or game capture software?? LOL! all it has to do is compare values to stop noclips and wall hacks. your position is in coordinates that server tracks, black list certain cords so if a user clips too far threw them it either resets the player to last good position few feet/meters away removes them from the match depending on circumstances. Stop speed hacks simply capturing and comparing speed of travel vs update intervals vs known max speed players can move and can remove or lock player or reset players as needed. This in my mind would be more tricky vs blocking wall hacks as it have to figure out difference between issue with latency and/or bufferbloat (uneven update interval can span well past known ping like 100s or 1000s of me while ur ping is low like single digits) as well as someone speed hacking it has to know difference which will be hard for everyone equally but I’m no network pro so maybe there is a legit way to track it better. Aimboting maybe more convoluted but I can imagine tracking mouse/controller input and logging path and comparing it to a various values like known flick shot pro and/or avg human as a basic method.. maybe using AI to test a suspicious ongoing pattern of shots that your landing, like threw materials or blindly and more then avg. take all data it’s collected from inputs and those shot details and use AI to work it out...obviously I don’t think it’s fool proof but could atleast more then nothing. Plus it maybe seen as keylogging but maybe maybe it can capture enough details without actually logging much.. I know that’s how latest Captcha system works it know a lot of details including mouse movements three browser so it can compare it to a bit which makes only straight lines or no lines and just jumps over humans make jittery lines. Teleporting is EZ; just have server look at you coordinates and compare how possible it is for you to gone from that spot to another spot in that length of time.. similar to anti-clipping obviously in both instances it have to filter out things like falling threw maps or something and reset the player in last good position or something. But if u teleported from spawn to spawn point it’s pretty obvious.
@@markofcomms Wouldn't that require the server to do more work. If the server had to check if players can see each other at every frame, it would cause a massive slowdown. You could give that work to a player's machine, but then a modder will be able to change that variable to always true.
My friend's PC got a BSOD after running Valorant. It kept getting a BSOD every time he boots up. He managed to somehow fix it by doing a clean install of windows using a flash drive.
I hate easy anticheat, I have to close the software of my tridentZ RGB RAM every time I'd like to start Fortnite, cause it's running in the background 😭
I'm sure they're all scrambling to make them right now. Once one guy gets away with it they all start creating their own. Soon they'll say it's "necessary" and people will confirm it by saying "every other game has it so why not." That's why they all get together to push it so much. If it's everywhere people think it's normal.
My computer goes through stages where it will blue screen a lot. Usually while playing a game. It always spits out an error code about memory and the fix is always make sure your drivers are up to date, no matter how often I make sure my drivers are up to date. I never thought that anti-cheat might be the cause. Of course I might just have something else going on. At one point I was convinced my RAM or SSDs were failing. I just continue to make sure everything is up to date and hope for the best.
@@ZeroB4NG i'd disagree, i hate cs:go yet valorant was really fun. Although, as soon as too many people started playing and everyone became a tryhard, alongside the anticheat bricking people's PCs, i deleted the game and will not be redownloading it anytime soon.
I uninstalled Valorant because I don’t wanna play a game that I gotta have it’s bloatware running in the background sucking 20% ofmy memory without the game even playing, and the fact that I have to restart my pc to be able to play the game with the software off at boot...... Fix your shit riotgames....
I hate when any level of anti-cheat is used in single player games or co-op story(ie not vs mode)
Thank You, same here, you should be allowed to cheat on a single player game as much as you want, if you bought it. I get the anti cheat for online playing, but that has nothing to do with single player.
Honestly, if they just put dedicated servers that allow cheats, then most people would go there instead
@@neoasura yea old gta series were really good with this and i played them soley for the anything i can do open world, i wish gta 5 and rdr2 had many cheat codes too
At that point they just want your data.
@@thanishdavipaul2876 HESOYAM
My biggest problem with kernel-space anti-cheat is that it is more anti-Linux than it is anti-cheat. It makes it impossible to run in WINE, and it isn't even much better at stopping cheaters.
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Yeah but look at it from a developer perspective. The amount of ppl using Linux to game is much lower than the amount you can retain with a good anticheat blocking most of the cheaters. It obviously sucks, but its business.
“To stop players from quitting because of how many cheaters there are”
*Cries in Team Fortress 2*
Dear god was if hit hard lately... hope valve can get their act together and fix their cash cow after over 2 years of letting it die and still raking in money from it
man, play in community servers much better. They are moderated and players are above avg. There are teamwork .tf and potato server for mvm
In only 1 game of 2fort, at least 6 different bots joined. Meanwhile, Artifact 2 is under development...
if u had a good day... and they think you cheat...BAN.... WTF?
Back when halo 3 was around it would constantly freeze and kick you to the main menu but any time it did this you would lose point and even rank down :( it made getting 7 points in one day near impossible.
The most problematic part of this is that in many cases this anti-cheat software - written by amateurs - runs on ring 0 of the operating system. Sony did that for their music, many people their system got hijakced because of this, it did not take long before malfarious people found vulnerabilities and wrote code to abuse it.
What is ring 0 ?
@@ArmiaKhairy the kernel, as show in the video
@Eboy Warrior Bullcrap, the designers know exactly what the system is doing. Only tier 3 developers would not know that. These guys are no amateurs and yes, nobody is forcing you to play their games.
@@quAdxify they dont. It does not matter how good the people working on a software are, once the software reaches a certain size they will lose the overview.
there was a fucking ActiveX thingy for interfacing with the driver- and you could exploit it from that- meaning loading a webpage could give you fucking ring0, oh and there uninstaller had the exact.. same.. problem..
Imagine having a kernel level anti cheat and still getting cheaters in your game LOL
kernel anticheat isn’t new the only reason people are talking is because vanguard is a bootkit
You get very little cheaters. That’s the whole point for it being kernel. Only the most determined are able to cheat. It functions as intended, and does so good as well. Note: Computer Temp problems involving Vanguard were resolved in patch 0.5.
@@func0989 or kids with money, or kids with parents credit card...
Someones salty they lost to someone better than them in a video game 😂😂 two words bud; git. Gud.
@@houndbite2 Damn, thats some real skill ruclips.net/video/ATkpqYmWt8k/видео.html
sorry next time ill learn to see peoples names through walls... i guess ur right
So Vanguard Anti-Cheat is like my ex girlfriend who controls everything and not telling me why.
Was she anticheating on you friend?
That's why laptop is having BSOD issues.
You are not alone,brother!
@@FlameMage2 it is what is.
and not usefull at all because people start cheating in Vanguard
Privacy is also a major concern when you have a monitoring app running all the time. Really disappointed it was never mentioned
You gave up privacy when you installed Windows. If you want that, install Tails.
swiftrealm you can’t do anything on tails lol
@@bobbybenny12Exactly, because it's focused on privacy so a lot of things are disabled to protect your identity. Everything must go through Tor.
@@swiftrealm there is a difference between trusting your info to a trillion dollar company and a smaller developer
@@WearyKirin I guess there is, but bigger companies aren't exactly more trustworthy, now are they?
Can't run my RGB software for the sake of easy anti cheat
We all know that RGB gives you a very unfair advantage that can only be surpassed by using a gaming chair, duh.
Same for me. Clearly RGB makes you a better gamer
Have they seriously not whitelisted fan and RGB controlling programs? I refuse to play anything from Riot ever since they tried to cook my CPU by disabling iCUE. Fuck them.
@@Ketris0 it's an ongoing issue with things that run easy anti cheat. I finally found that you could reinstall it in seconds and fix the issue I had trying to play dead by daylight while my gskill lighting was on.
Obviously because red leds increase your flick accuracy
here's my idea, since modding can be fun, but legit players do still exist, use anticheat to detect modders and instead of banning them place them in lobbies with similar modders. yeah?
Agreed. Sadly very few devs seem to like this idea... :(
Some games do actually do this from what I’ve heard you basically get flagged and are more likely to be matchmaked with others who have been flagged
Fall guys devs did this, made a special ”server” for cheaters. That put them all in the same lobby.
Server full of flying, speedhacking beans, Also did infinity loading for cheaters, made them just be stuck in ”waiting for players loading screen”
good devs. 👏🏻
BRILLIANT!!!! THIS IS ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!!!!
That was also my idea with hackers.
It would be a fun and fair game XD
But sadly they prefer root.
Starting the error message with “YOU” is a basic psychology cheat to blame the user for your own mistake. See BSOD and Stadia’s “connection error”.
Have you tried not making the mistake? Jeeze, stop deflecting blame on the poor companies. Its rude.
@@HeyImLucious Lmfao nice b8 m8
@@clocked0 it's sarcasm
Darkeese Latifah wow you’re stupid
@@asonofliberty3662 You clearly missed the point
Errors, Crashes, System Instability, Not coded well.....Windows Update the original anti cheat software
if it wasn't for kernel-level anti-cheats, gaming on Linux would be a lot better for games that lots of people play.
PS5 is going to attract way more players due to inability and short sighted PC Gaming developers this Gen. As well as PS5 ssd controllers.
@@nagasako7 What do you mean? most of the games that have these issues are coming to consoles as well, they likely will not include anti-cheat though as that is unnecessary for the most part.
Pop OS
@@Mog-Ops I can recommend Winaero Tweaker for setting up windows crap on a new machine. It's pretty much just a giant settings window for all the Windows settings you normally dont have access to or have to use the registry for. It has plenty of features including: disabling Cortana, Telemetry data, advertisements in Windows etc.
Preferably for me; Anti-cheat software should only activate if you go into multiplayer. And likewise deactivate once you leave the match.
But then you can inject the cheat software before the match starts.
That might be the case with Doom’s Denuvo. I use cheats for single player and they work 100% fine. Never gone into multiplayer but I’m assuming it would kick me out. Battlefield Hardline does kick me out after sometime because I cheated in single player. Probably because some of the unlocks in single player (only cosmetics) carry over and I’m level 1 and have clothing patches way beyond my level. But, it’s Hardline and there’s maybe 1 server that MAYBE gets filled on a random Tuesday every 3 months when the Jupiter aligns with...
The biggest problem with anti-cheat is that you can't prevent someone from doing what they want with their own hardware (and if you could, that'd be really bad for consumer rights). All anti-cheat software can in theory be circumvented with hardware access, it's just a matter of time and knowledge.
@@R3ddyyg Well if the anti-cheat software is coded to detect alterations in the game code it can deny you access to multiplayer mode. Problem solved. This way I can still play single player without some anti-cheat that's really only good to use in multiplayer anyway.
@@R3ddyyg You can still inject cheat before vanguard is launched.
Linux wants to know your location
Linus*
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1:20 - Wait a second. I was around in the 90's and the 2000's. The kernel mode DRM causing BSODs came first, before the cheats moved that way - because lets face it, kernel mode is more complicated. Other than "who started it", everything else in this video was spot on.
I still remember when BF2 and Battlefield 2142 stopped working and kicked me off immediately... Punkbuster stole my games. Learned years later that it was likely MSI Afterburner that Punkbuster deemed inappropriate - because it had an on-screen overlay. That could be used for nefarious purposes after all. Just think of all the evil software, like Steam or Discord, which utilise overlays. We can't possibly allow that!
I used to be an admin for BF3 and BF4. Punkbuster allowed us admins to request a screenshot of a small section of your game to check for cheat overlays. I'm pretty sure the anticheat required special permissions to be able to do that. And I did see people get caught cheating as evidence would be uploaded on ban streaming sites, these people also got reported and eventually have their accounts banned.
To be honest, Punkbuster did have issues requiring users to do complicated manual fixes, that was it's main and only problem to me.
Vanguard really f***ed up my PC. Never installing it again !
Ilias G1 same
I’m trying to factory reset but I can because I “ran into a problem”
Like how?
I got a blue screen of dearh, not sure if it was because of vanguard, but had to reinstall Windows and all Apps on the drive
@@alex22tp I couldn't click on a part of the screen. I was going mad. And it only happened after Valorant + Vanguard installation. After uninstalling everything is fine !
I think another issue regarding Valorant that wasn't brought up, is the fact that Riot Games are owned by Tencent, a massive chinese tech and media conglomerate. A lot of people have concerns that because the Anti-Cheat is constantly running, it could have the potential to spy on players
and IT DOESN'T WORK ON LINUX!!
good for linux
...just download windows 10 free version and boot with that when you want to play
@@demodegaming6384 as long as you okay with limiter features and the watermark
@@mrtuvok5578 Yeah the limited features don't matter when you're only installing for games,and the watermark is barely visible
@@mrtuvok5578 You can get a win 10 key on ebay for under 10$.
McLaren actually has a teen as one of their F1 drivers
*Ironic*
Lando is 20 actually.
But that teen is one of the best drivers on the road
You guys are deaf. He also said learner's permit. Lando has an F1 license.
@@louiepaderon344 relax
@bob lance he should drive in Germany more often... Or less since F1 isn't great for live expectancy or the environment
If Vanguard anti-cheat wants to prevent me undervolting my laptop, it would be nice for them to at least suggest an alternative that fits their anti-cheat.
The alternative is counter strike
@@grisu1934It's even better too!
you should've talked about server-side anti-cheats.
Like watchdog on hypixel
@@6k911Channel Is watchdog even an Anti cheat?
@@Albedowo I mean, it stops cheats from working? Watchdog blocks almost 70% of fly hacks, and a lot of other cheats.
6k911 Channel watchdog is ass lmao
@@uenuf It ain't ass, there are just anticheats custom-made to fuck it up
anti-cheat biggest reason gaming doesn't take of on linux.
good
@@mrtuvok5578 why ??
some of games
@@berend109 because LiNuX bAd
wot m8
Modern anti-cheat acts a lot like the heavily maligned Starforce DRM of the past. That is not even close to a good thing. Why would anyone try to replicate how that borderline malware operated?
The difference really is that the DRM is optional but if competitive games don't deal with cheaters they will die. It's simple as that. So naturally the developers try anything they can. Valve had a good idea with their trustfactor system but not every publisher has such a big platform they can bind in so they try their best.
@@quAdxify Exactly, BFV has a huge problem with people cheating and now the game has had it's final update over 12 months before the next game is supposed to be released. If EA/Dice actually did something about the cheats in game then people might be a bit more willing to spend the cash on cosmetics...
@@quAdxify "but if competitive games don't deal with cheaters they will die."
I think Necro's issue is more with the approach, rather than with having anti cheat though.
What do you expect if even this comment section where the video explained how even the best Anticheat works, people scream for better anticheat. Its not like the Anticheat devs were like "this will be fine". They knew it would be a catastrophe, but you can't explain why stopping cheaters the easy way does not work if the average joe does not understand how code works.
The big problem with anti-cheat for me is that it doesn't work on linux.
@⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ Because Windows is... unpredicable at times. Also people don't want to support or don't trust Microsoft and like the Open-Source Alternative more
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Because you don't want bloatware on your machine?
@⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ The other way round is better. Linux on bare metal and Windows in a VM.
@Taistelu_pelto there is a lot of Professional Software only for Windows. It's getting better though.
@@sane3184 my Windows install does exactly what I tell it to, when I tell it to. Sounds like user error to me.
"Hit shooter Valorant"
Ah, that subtle Canadian silent initial 's'.
*coughs in native Canadian*
>Purposefully installing a rootkit to play video games
Moments Before Disaster :)
Moments after disaster :(
Lol
Closing and opening brackets with colons near them?
They could make it optional and only require it to play on official servers. But this is more about controlling the user.
At this point you can only rely on indie games and old games. Anything else is likely unsafe, untrustworthy, not really owned by you by disguising it as a service, or otherwise shady
On the plus side I think my computer might be 10 years old until I need a replacement, since the rotten AAA videogame industry are the ones who usually push the hardware
Private or custom servers haven’t been a thing on AAA multiplayer games for a while now. Devs and publishers have been hostile to them in the past. Again, more about control and less about fairness.
@@unocualqu1era the thing is free! Use your brain and stop repeating nonsense you hear without actually reflecting on it. Any industry is rotten as it's only goal is to maximize profits, that's true for 100% of for profit industry my friend, nothing new, no conspiracy, nothing changed.
Stop acting like entitled brats. This is a free game you CAN play. They developed it. They host 128 tick servers. They let you use it for FREE. Yet all you ungrateful brats act like RIOT owed you something. YOU DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Nobody is forcing you to even think about the game. Nobody is forcing you to be a user of a free service, you are not a customer or in anyways entitled to anything regarding this game. The world and especially Riot does not owe you shit, they can do with THEIR game whatever they want. Don't like the anti cheat? DON'T PLAY THE FUCKING GAME and stop trying to ruin the experience for everyone else, who actually values to not play against cheaters in every 2nd match.
@@quAdxify calm down
If I have to install software to play a game after I install it, yeah I'm gonna never play that game.....
I've been getting random BSODs lately. So I've run driver verifier and yup - it was caused by vanguard -_- Valorant seems like a great game, a lot of my friends play it and I enjoy it too, but I like my computer 100% stable. Not to mention giving kernel level access to my computer to chinese company kinda stinks.
@SugarDaddy1963 low effort bad joke
A *big* chinese company
@@armaanverma5533 tencent epic crashing moment
The extension for drivers is SYS, not DLL. DLL is for user-space libraries.
How did they get such a simple concept wrong XD
Conni The Kiwi Ah yes you, the expert.
its all PE anyway thou.
Watching on full screen on my Laptop, got scared for a second there when the blue screen appeared.
BSOD can't hurt you if you have a Macbook
@@BlizzardWind99 Nah true that's even worse!
@@RickZune
Yeah, when something goes wrong with any Apple product the only solution is to throw it away with all your data and buy a new, shiny, latest gen, super overpriced, zero customer services replacement! Oh, how wonderful being a mac boy truly is!
I guess the next step is to dump anti-cheat software into the Hypervisor or SMM. What a lovely way to crash every computer ever.
I could see possible hypervisor anti cheat but smm anti cheat simply can’t happen without extreme vulnerabilities
Next step will be hardware. CPU and GPU manufacturer work together with software developer to implement anti temper on hardware level. Apple have done this with their T1 & T2 chips. AMD Epyc server CPU begin to implement hardware memory encryption. Unrooted Android already done this on the SoC security chip. Console also have hardware level anti temper. Only gaming desktop doesn't have this. This is why these stupid anti-cheat is used instead.
require the installation of a highly advanced neural chip in your brain which discourages cheating in order to play any games
Or in a fucking ME or other bcm
@@markofcomms except that creates more unrecoverable problems, where if your system dies your data goes with it because of the special hardware
i got into valorant beta a month ago, saw that i couldn't view my cpu temperature because it was blocked and then promptly uninstalled. it's literally chinese spyware
groid It’s literally not, you mongoloid. It doesn’t communicate traffic inbound or outbound and is easily verifiable
Never play that game. CSGO is better.
Something big you didn't mention is that, especially if poorly coded, it presents a maaaaassive security hole, as if they can find a way into the anti-cheat software, well, now they have kernel-level access to your computer through it. And also everyone else's computer who has the game.
*Genshin Impact noises*
The thing that bothers me with such software (especially one that is always running) is that it never shows you what it actually does. It should be illegal to program such software without telling the user every single operation it makes when it is running in the background.
I know this is an old comment, but these software use *hundreds* of functions that would effectively require the program to be opensource.
I think aspect of the discussion that is missing involves cheats that don't even run on your computer, making it impossible for even a kernel-mode software to detect it.
Could you give an example? Sounds cool!
@@untrust2033 Network sniffers that intercept packages and alter them
@@akaDL hardware based macro devices (eg, like a usb rubber ducky type device) that just sends inputs to the game at godspeed. . .
@@untrust2033 There was a gaming motherboard that analysed the sound output for footstep frequencies (or any others you want to monitor) and overlaid a radar displaying where they're coming from.
@@akaDL Network sniffer is even waaaaay to complex for such a easy task as using the cheat on another computer. It can be done even easier, one Account and Computer that runs the hack, gets all the values and prints them on the map. And lets say 3 computers of other players which just need to open a website where the map with all its player locations gets casted. Its super easy to implement. Think about it your buddy running a hack on his computer where you see the whole map and every player. Your PC is near next to him and you also see the players. Even easier for the average joe to explain : (fictional example), someone is cheating on Twitch with the map open, you see where every player is. If you are in the same server the position of the players is the same for you so you would basically just watch his stream to see where everyone is. Or even simpler example : You are streamsniping a streamer, you see his position all the time without needing to run any software.
I've been having freezing problems with Valorant where it would completely freeze my computer and then take forever to restart after force shutting down. It happened so much that I had to reinstall the game. It's getting pretty ridiculous.
Uninstalled Valorant as soon as I heard of that. Probably will never install this game ever again.
Did you uninstall vanguard as well? At least during beta uninstalling one did NOT uninstall the other.
@CrispinSauce why should you have to do that? A game should be a simple executable, turn your PC on play a game, play another game.
Reboot required is very sloppy implementation, especially as the reason for it to be disabled is its doing things not related to the game its protectiing.
Bro it's riot games not some sketchy new company xD
Dont worry, Nothing will happen
@@aryan.thecreator well riot is own by tencent games and tencent is rule by chinese comunist part...
@@dahorn100011 The worse thing is, Valorant still has cheaters even though it has an extremely intrusive anti cheat.
Valorant was hacked in days btw. There are a lot of hackers and clips of hackers as we speak. Saying that Vanguard is the ultimate solution is like saying The Titanic never sank.
Imagine if they can access your saved passwords and bank details in the computer as well.
Making anti cheat's actually better than having a gold mine then. Lmao
What do you mean "if"? They're running in the kernel. They have access to more than you do as a user.
I mean they took the "please don't fire your employees during the coof"-money and bought investments with it, so if they're willing to steal our money, they're probably willing to steal our money.
But aren't the passwords and other secure stuff encrypted?
Glados92 as soon as you login somewhere you need to transmit those passwords in a readable format. And since valorants anticheat conveniently runs on boot it could access those passwords as well.
People need to get a grip, either you want agressive anticheat which leads to huge problems because otherwise you won't catch 80% of the cheaters, or you accept the situation that the game runs good but theres some cheaters.
People are like "I want a phone with a battery that lasts 4 days, but the processor should be as fast as my desktop". You can't have both. And if you do, your battery is bigger than the phone itself and makes it unusable.
Kernel space anti cheat also stops games from running through wine, so it's a very anti Linux and Mac move by publishers
I remember someone on reddit said that vangaurd disabled their AIO pump
Another person on Reddit said it disabled the Switch he got from his wife's boyfriend.
@@Visstnok I saw one guy even saying Vanguard made his cousin's wife's stepbrother's toaster catch on fire! Vanguard is evil!!!!
I heard Vanguard tried to start Russian Nukes. Guys, this thing is the anti christ, believe me, what I hear is always true, on the internet nobody ever lies!
Bro it summoned a demon in my computer, I thought my motherboard
dead because that shit disabled USB ports.
@@Visstnok Actually very possible, if the AIO was plugged into and controlled via a driver in the computer vanguard might have stopped it. I have heard multiple people say it shuts down their RGB controller. That is what anti-cheat does, it stops suspicious-looking services and reports them.
BattlEye has been caught taking screenshots of desktops while games are not being played. EAC has had many issues over the years. I refuse to run either. I have also never run into a cheat which requires administrative privileges to run. Disassembling them is a great way to figure out how they work and how to block them or how to harden game engines. Still, the largest maker of cheats out there, with a subscription-based service service and everything, does not require kernel-mode access and his stuff beats kernel-mode anti-cheats. This tells me as an IT security professional, that kernel-mode anti-cheats are as useless as normal ones.
I am not saying there isn't some magical cheat which requires admin to run out there somewhere, but that brings up two major issues. One, a normal user could not run it anyway. Two, would you really trust somebody writing cheats not to access sensitive info or join your system to a botnet for a more nefarious use at a later date? Too risky. Also, I have not come across a game in over a decade which requires admin privileges to run. Are people still pumping out Win9X code or something? Win9X code usually requires admin to run correctly, but not always. Lords of The Realm 2 and Lords of Magic SE run fine as a normal user, for example.
If a game has a required anti-cheat which wants ring0 access, I don't buy the game or I buy it and only play with trusted friends. I already caught BattlEye running while I was watching RUclips. Never again will I run a ring0 anti-cheat.
i havnt had too many issues with EAC but jesus i hate battleye, the amount of garbage i had to go through because of dayz is honestly insane
@@HQwalkingdead Ark uses BE also. I run a private cluster for my friends and clan. No BE for us.
I don't think there's any code that can claim to have 0 bugs, hell, even "Hello World!" can have bugs, and literally all it does is print hello world to the terminal and quit.
I don't trust kernel level code, Microsoft have been writing code at that level since the 1970's, and they still haven't figured out how to write completely secure code, what makes Riot think they're going to do any better?
It's a supreme level of arrogance that comes from those who think that because they can code a video game that they know jack shit about kernel mode software development. :(
In addition to what was mentioned in this video there's also privacy concerns (as mentioned in other comments), concerns about supply chain attacks (look at CCleaner, an excellent and completely legit program that has twice suffered from supply chain attacks), and the fact that many cheat programs don't even run on the computer playing the game.
To break that down the privacy concerns are pretty simple, when you have a program running all the time collecting God knows what data it's concerning.
Supply chain attacks on a Kernal Level program means that even if the original devs had the best intentions someone else could hack their servers and push an update to people PCs that installs malware at the Kernal Level and without any signs that it's happening (Kernal Level drivers don't have to display notifications or ask permission for anything and can even hide from task manager).
The third point is also pretty self explanatory, plenty of cheat software actually runs on another computer on the same network and intercepts data between the gaming computer and the gaming server. Anti-Cheat software on the gaming computer can't do anything about that no matter what level it runs at. Encrypting data between the Computer and the Server might help but that also introduces latency.
The best solution would be to implement simple checks in game to see if players are consistently 'getting lucky' or if their reactions are impossibly fast (something spam filters have done for years). There's still some risk that the programs would misinterpret real expert play (or just insanely good luck) as cheating but it would still be a much better solution that could be fine tuned later on and can run on both the host computer and the game. Most games aren't currently optimized for multi-threading so most of the time the games (and I presume the servers) could easily have a separate thread checking these things with minimal impact.
Anti-Cheat then: I run with the program when it starts and closes when closed.
Anti-Cheat now: People still do that?
Malware Kernels: Let's give this guy a secret trojan.
Ant-Cheat Kernels: No way we will get hacked and a secret trojan will be implemented.
brb writing cheats for minecraft on the intel management engine.
There's a better solution, *AI based anti-cheats*
Valve's machine-learning VACNET is already pretty good, they just need to give it the ban hammer.
AI based systems have a potential to be more accurate AND be less intrusive.
Edit: VACNET is different from VAC, just to be clear.
play some tf2
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Is there a way to bypass captcha?
sorry to break it to you but VAC is one of the most useless and easy to bypass anticheats of them all, vacnet works by detecting anomalies in game code and then crossreferencing that with other peoples games and if there are enough people also with that same anomaly in their game it will flag it as cheating and vac ban you, so if you write up your own cheats and no one else uses them you will never be banned.
Don't give it ban hammer. At least give it for when it is 100% sure the suspect is cheating. Otherwise false-positives will really harm the players
@@khirasier well VAC is useless, but VACNET is not VAC
1:58 green screen of death...?
From the description of the photo: "Preview releases of Windows have a green screen of death instead of a blue one so they can be easily distinguished". I have used preview versions of Windows 10 in the past, but have never seen a GSOD. While in the stable version every 3 months I almost always received a BSOD
Windows Insider builds have a green STOP screen. I found that I still got the green color after opting out of the Windows Insider program on my main PC.
There have been similarly esoteric colors in other Windows versions. Early betas of 98 had a red screen for critical ACPI errors, and I believe that early Vista betas used a red screen for Windows Boot Manager errors.
@@VectraQS also early builds of Windows 8 had a black screen of death
1:17 Sounds like James dipped back into puberty for a sec
His speaking often cracks like that.
I think it's just a regular character of his voice.
He sounds like Gene from Bobs Burgers.
if you're developing client side anti cheat there's 3 options you have
1. run it on ring 3 and have it almost fucking useless (vac)
2. run it on ring 0 and make it intrusive af but code it well (eac, battleye)
3. go full retard mode and make backdoor disguised as anti cheat (esea, vanguard)
option 4. run the thing on the server and stop blindly trusting the client
omg that explains why icue doesnt detect my mouse anymore ever since i installed valerant damn
iCUE isn't blocked by Vanguard
@@rosco3 Anti-cheat may break other areas of your system by aggressively interfering with shit. Had a problem with an anti-cheat that *fucked up my PC* and it took a month of troubleshooting random bizarre errors, reinstalling drivers, and eventually clean installing the OS to get everything working normally again. A third party antivirus (like Avast for example) can also cause problems like this but that is *extremely rare,* since most antivirus software aren't coded by retards.
The big problem with Anti-Cheat is that it DOESN'T WORK!
i mean, it does, usually for about 24 hours or less, then someone has developed a workaround, then the anti-cheat software gets patched and things are good for another few hours, then the cheat software gets patched then.....you see where this is going yeah? like don't get me wrong, i hate getting aimbotted as much as the next guy, but can we really blame anti-cheat developers for having to do more and more crazy stuff, when cheat developers are doing the exact same thing in reverse? the only way to even remotely stop this arms race (for now) is to take the client out of the hands of the player and stream everything with a stadia type service, where the player AND cheat developers don't have access to the system or the game files to manipulate, but then, whats to stop someone developing an aimbot that is hardware, i.e it hooks into a mouse and keyboard socket and monitors the screen with a camera and then utilizes AI to do the work? stuff like this is already being worked on.
i want anti-cheat that works too man, but its not that easy.
Proof? Check unknowncheats, seems like most of the cheats and AHK cheat scripts are detected and people are getting HWID bans really fast and none of the spoofers work anymore.
So lets igonre the fact that Vanguard Fries some hardware. Its not important to mention that.
Nope. Not important at all, you have your priorities messed up dude.
And so, ever so gracefully, the joke flies over one’s head. Make it a play, now.
Despite this it still had cheaters and A HUGE amount of them day 2 or 3 of beta i believe. I think it should start when you launch the game and they should do something similar to valve with maybe ai learning. Regardless, it should 100% launch only with the game
@Star Junior yea, easy anti cheat runs kernel but it runs when the game starts, that's how it always should be. At least with that you won't be bricking your system lol
There is one more thing unsaid in video. Monitoring. For example via System Monitor (from Sysinternals) you can easly monitor every user mode program in your computer. Like XXX.exe wants to read YYY.doc file, ZZZ.exe wants access to keyboard, AAA.exe wants to capture clicks, BBB.exe wants to create registry key. All those stuff are possible to monitor... if they don't run in kernel mode. Basicly if user mode (even with admin privilages) program want to do something illegal, it is easy to check both by you and by Anti-virus vendor. Only way to monitor driver for sake of checking, is to run it in Virtual machine, but kernel mode drivers often refuse to run in VM. Which basicly means, you need to be really PRO security expert to detect anything.
I remember back in the days of Windows 98 when you would be playing a game or running a program and then all the sudden, the message would pop up saying "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down". This I remember used to scare people into thinking that the cops were about to arrest them because of the word "illegal". The first thing that comes to mind about the word "illegal" is something thats against the law.
Valve: Anti-what?
your account is now VAC banned
Make a voluntary overwatch system and let players do Valve's job on banning cheaters. What can go wrong :D
Your steam account is now banned from vac servers please make a new account and keep on cheating (I really hate that steam does not make any attempt to even ban the pc from been able to play, a steam account ban is nothing to a cheater if you don't even try to ban the pc as well or at least make sure they can only match make with other cheaters only)
@@leexgx you'd have to buy whatever game on the new account, if it was a paid game.
@@leexgx That's only a problem with free2play games. For paid games the amount of money you have to burn through until you write a successful cheat will be pretty high, and not worth it.
Csgo: you guys have anti cheats that work ?
If a bullet doesn't work a nuke will usually get the job done.
It’s called ESEA client.
Can’t cheat on VAC secured servers
a good anticheat is invisible to the user; VACnet does a pretty good job at detecting cheaters, otherwise it wouldn't exist with the huge investment valve poured into it
TF2 on the other hand.. doesn't have VACnet, just VAC..
@@jakeman025 well if you play MM you are out of luck
My frames on other games dropped up to 25% after I installed vanguard, it hogs up resources
Ok then just deinstal weird mix of CSGO, owerwatch and fortnite caled Valorant, and problem solved
It also slows down the system boot
Why even play valorant
*MINER*
Disable vanguard
I actually think community moderation is better than anti cheat software, if developers are effective at dealing with player reports and willing to compensate players who have lost ranked points, or have simply had a bad experience due to cheating, it can be a much healthier system
Imagine an anti-cheat adding 40 seconds to your boot time despite your machine running on an SSD
Ah, nothing brings you back to the good old times like having your OS boot on a fucking HDD~
*laughs in vintage offline gaming when games were actually good*
Just Cause 3 gang
Games ar way better now
Stfu
1.6 gang
Let's see how my most-played library stacks up...
Chrono Trigger, FFIV, Legend of Zelda (various entries), Super Mario Bros (various entries), Mario Kart (especially Wii), Donkey Kong Country, SF2T, DooM (the original), Portal, Rayman Legends, Octopath Traveler, and my random projects as a hobbyist game dev
===== vs =====
Fortnite and Minecraft
I think you all see where my alliance lies... Split-screen is still the definitive multiplayer experience. Sure online mp makes it a lot easier to connect with distant friends, but there's just something special about sitting next to the friends you're playing with.
Once i needed to reinstall system beacuse of faceit anticheat
Never had that issue with faceit ac guess I'm lucky
cs go in a nut in hand shell
same
some dlls were corrupted after a blackout and i had to reinstall boot
worst thing about any kernel anticheat
Faceit is a rat
Hey like me with valorant
Would've been nice to also mention the approach Valve has taken with VACnet in CS:GO, as it is a completely different (and new) approach to anti-cheat.
and also completly useless. As of now it only "detects" blatant spinbotters and queues them into the manual "overwatch" system. WOW.
using machine learning to identify cheats is new but not foolproof, thus it can't help if people are walling.
BlumenkohlTV yeah but the way it works is for long term, by using deeplearning it will make anti cheat better with time but also won’t exploit the user’s computer/make the computer work worse
Honestly, I would prefer VACnet over Vanguard, even when it does let some cheaters slip through. +Riot are saying that they are doing banwaves, which means players can launch the game with cheats, which means the constant system surveillance doesn't really help that much.
@@coletm7146 Exploit me all you want, as long as my gaming performance is not sacrificed. As long as it does a thorough job banishing cheaters....Permanently👐🏾
As a Kernel Driver Developer this video needs to be re worked. Vanguard is a Leap in Technology thats much needed. The comment section is kind of funny because many people are like its a virus, its a rootkit/bootkit. Well your operating system has a process called ntoskernel.exe which is your kernel or root of your operating system. Rootkit doesnt mean its a virus, it means a piece of software that runs in the root of your operating system. Battleye, Easy Anti Cheat, and Many more companies utilize rootkits or lets be proper and call the kernel drivers. The reason is the kernel or root of your operating system has direct hardware communication and many other privileges. This is needed due to the fact that usermode anti cheats just cant do anything if a cheat is kernel based. Easy Anti Cheat blocks loading of kernel drivers and so much more but it doesnt boot with your pc, hence why if you ever have cheated in a battleye or eac protected game you load your cheats before the game starts essentially being the first step of bypassing it. Vanguard Anti Cheat boots with your pc making that a thing of the past and for that i commend riot games for taking a step that needed to be taken. Thanks for Reading,
Tempest17
The main problem I have with the Vanguard anti-cheat is the company behind Riot (Tencent) being controlled by the Chinese government. Even if Riot’s intentions aren’t malicious, that doesn’t mean that other parties can’t take control.
Battleeye always boots me from my game because of my rgb program
me: see's a popcorn kernel on screen
5 seconds later me: making a gallon of popcorn
It's interesting that the main reason why they decided to start Vanguard with the PC is to have a permanent ban function. A full hardware ban which is unspoofable because Vanguard will notice your spoof. Of course it still is a scary thing to have a kernel level driver load before anything else, possibly causing some major issues.
that freaking Blue Screen of Death nearly scared me to death...
I think the most fool proof (and also least invasive) solution to cheating is using AI to spot cheaters. Cheaters generally stand out pretty well to someone who knows what to look for, so training an AI to look for the same things should be quite doable. It could check stats and gameplay in real time and report suspicious players to something like CSGO's overwatch system.
But that requires work and COSTS money, much better to collect more user data than the user themselves know they have and MAKE money.
You could've mentioned that Riot officially announced that it will put Vanguard on League of legends too, which btw will kill the ability to play it on Linux as a side effect :(
Anti-Cheat on Dead By Daylight requires me to shut off my RGB lighting controller. Apparently RGB makes you a cheater and gives you an unfair gaming advantage.
That alone is enough reason for me to want more RGB! ROFL
Everyone knows RGB lights increase your fps and increased fps gives you an advantage obviously.
Anti-cheat? More like Anti-WINE
I just wanted to play Dead By Daylight with my friends....
Wine is not an emulator
If I had my way, writing kernel-level anti-cheat software would be illegal and would be considered felony digital trespassing (basically felony hacking).
So let me get this straight...
The response to people bootstrapping applications to modify it's behavior is to install literal rootkits and bootstrap the entire OS.
Sounds real secure - I can see no way in which this could be used in a horribly malicious way /s
Yes apparently the response to people voulntarily installing user space porgrams is to forcibly rootkit them with proprietary buggy software.
This has no chance to go wong and isn't at alll an overreaction. /s
Does anyone remember the copy protection Star Force ? Kernel level Anti cheat or copy protection is never a good idea.
Im not buying software with ANY type of copy protection anymore. If they want to my wallet, they have to be willing to sell me a game and they arent doing that if i cant copy it.
@@rtg5881 I honestly want to give games companies money for good games but they would clearly prefer if I pirated them, considering how they try to dissuade me from buying with their anti-consumer bs.
My anti cheat will crash my game mid match because of "lightingservices.exe"
I guess too much RGB is cheating.
You forgot the main issue when mentioned Doom Eternal. Denuvo Anti-Cheat, being a piece of Denuvo crapware caused performance drops.
The developers said that the performance drop had nothing to do with Denuvo but was just a pure coincidence because of a coding error in that same patch.
Nah. The mainn issue is that its a rootkit. Im not going to buy any more games on steam. Its all GOG from here on out.
Once my PC crashed while playing Fortnite (1 year ago).
The game is so bad it even crashes your entire PC mid game, crashes because you get a friend request, has input delay/cancellation partially, can accidentally become Windowed instead of remaining Fullscreen mid game, and even change your settings
I honestly think side-side anti-cheats will be the best, that way the user has no direct access to it. Although with the steady rise of deep learning cheats (mainly aim) I am confident they'd be hard to counter if at all without a ai to counter it making just a feedback loop.
EA : we don’t know what are you talking about
Thx for the likes lol
Psh, so you thought. Open up task manager, go to details, sort by name and scroll down to the "O" Originhelperservice is a kernel level service you cannot opt out of, and launches (delayed) at boot... quiet, but effective.
@@Celician83 I don't know if Battlefield 1 has this, but if it does it's not that effective. Half of the servers there's a hacker.
@@Nauskills can confirm I cheat too
@@Celician83 is it as annoying as Vanguard?
@@JaradC haven't used origin for years but before didn't had issues. But it's still annoying as if you have few games with different anticheat programs... How much of crap you pc should Carry before doing something you need. If it's go on consumers will get they 64 cores cpu soon but 60 of them be dedicated to background 3 party software what useful 5min a week but have to boot with PC.
Linus is so powerful that he appeared in the ad before the video(pulsewave) 😂
I don't get to see the adverts as on my smartphone, if I refresh the page as soon as the ad rolls, I can skip it without the need for an ad block.
@@deadendwaterfall :o hax
0:56 Not "dll", but "sys".
or "drv"
@@tomrolle
3 of those exist on my Windows 10 install... And I'm pretty sure all 3 date back to windows XP and older. One goes back to 3.1 (maybe older)... They're all there for backwards compatibility afaik.
@@tin2001 the point i was trying to make is that drv is a file extension literally for device drivers, which where the point of the video at that moment, while sys just generally represents a system ressource.
If we go from what your drivers are really composed of we get a mix of exe, sys, dll or whatever the driver author wants to throw in.
*laughs in NTOSKRNL.EXE*
The ad before this was Pulseway featuring Linus... was mesmerized that I didn't skip the minute-long ad.
Can an anti-cheat program not pick up on tracking through walls, snapping to heads without mouse movement etc without being intrusive and kernal level
the problem is: there is something called legit cheating that isn't as obvious as the things mentioned above.
But i agree that an anticheat shouldn't have that many privileges...
If Riot didn't sell themself to Tencent, i wouldn't have problem with this anti cheat, maybe a concern but not so much
Vanguard caused a BSoD when i launched a EAC game.
gang war
my friends whole laptop got stuck in a BSOD loop and now it won't startup *at all* as soon as he downloaded vanguard.
F
because they know how to stop new users from joining
anti-cheats are generally sh1t, it's the servers that need to be more authoritative - the client (you, basically) tell the server what you're doing. If you modify your client, you can tell the server that what you're doing is different than what is intended.
If I tell the server my player is going extremely fast (speedhack) then the server has no option but to listen and respond - the server has to check that what the player does is correct, so staying normal speed.
This is why the corrections must come from the server, to check that all player actions are legal.
Obviously, putting all the corrections/checks on the server may make the server have more to deal with, but it would stop a lot of cheats from existing.
Implementing client side anti cheats is impossible, because the client has to send all the commands, and not check for correct input.
You can't prevent all cheats just by making the server authoritative. For example wall hacks or aimbots can't be detected by a server, the only way to detect them is with a client side anti cheat. And what do you mean client side anti cheats can't be implemented, there were a few listed in this video that already exist.
autorithative servers only prevent breaking rules hacks... like spawning objects removing objects teleporting flying etc...... however any hack related to the user input like making abot play for you, automatied keyboard scripts or something like that would still work.... autorithative servers also make the game less lag friendly and should only be used on competitive games only, cooperative games should avoid as much as possible to allow high ping play easier.
but yeah autorithative servers are better for competitive, but still don't solve the input hack problem, dota 2 is 100% autorithative for example... but you still have scripts that auto explode a bomb of techies for example or to automatic use a item for you.... but theres no cheats that break the rules of the game tho, no infinite life no teleports no faster cooldown or anything , there was a exploit that allowed maphack (the server don't send info of the people on fog of war) but the client could send a command to follow a enemy (hacked memorys stuff) and the enemy would path to that direction so hacks was able to get the position of people that way..... but it was patched.........
in any case autorithative servers should remove the most terrible hacks tho.... take alook at gta v no autorithative there and the hacks can do crazy stuff, but it can't fix everything.
wallhack can probably be prevented by not sending player locations to clients which have players that are out of sight, sound should still be sent however for obvious reasons
also aimbot can be detected by the server however it requires a neural network due to how complex aimbot is
Rišo Závodský actually it can, and in my opinion probably equally as fool proof as current intrusive anti-cheats. I been victimized a few times and banned for “no reason” before as well. I’m sure there is a reason however at the times I was cheating nor did I have any cheating software at the time. And since being banned I have returned to those games and do run mods and “cheat” (not really but this is about anti cheat software so all mods to anti anti cheat is cheating) and haven’t been banned for using mods even really terrible ones.... yet prior I got banned for probably running some RGB software or game capture software?? LOL!
all it has to do is compare values to stop noclips and wall hacks. your position is in coordinates that server tracks, black list certain cords so if a user clips too far threw them it either resets the player to last good position few feet/meters away removes them from the match depending on circumstances.
Stop speed hacks simply capturing and comparing speed of travel vs update intervals vs known max speed players can move and can remove or lock player or reset players as needed. This in my mind would be more tricky vs blocking wall hacks as it have to figure out difference between issue with latency and/or bufferbloat (uneven update interval can span well past known ping like 100s or 1000s of me while ur ping is low like single digits) as well as someone speed hacking it has to know difference which will be hard for everyone equally but I’m no network pro so maybe there is a legit way to track it better.
Aimboting maybe more convoluted but I can imagine tracking mouse/controller input and logging path and comparing it to a various values like known flick shot pro and/or avg human as a basic method.. maybe using AI to test a suspicious ongoing pattern of shots that your landing, like threw materials or blindly and more then avg. take all data it’s collected from inputs and those shot details and use AI to work it out...obviously I don’t think it’s fool proof but could atleast more then nothing. Plus it maybe seen as keylogging but maybe maybe it can capture enough details without actually logging much.. I know that’s how latest Captcha system works it know a lot of details including mouse movements three browser so it can compare it to a bit which makes only straight lines or no lines and just jumps over humans make jittery lines.
Teleporting is EZ; just have server look at you coordinates and compare how possible it is for you to gone from that spot to another spot in that length of time.. similar to anti-clipping obviously in both instances it have to filter out things like falling threw maps or something and reset the player in last good position or something. But if u teleported from spawn to spawn point it’s pretty obvious.
@@markofcomms Wouldn't that require the server to do more work. If the server had to check if players can see each other at every frame, it would cause a massive slowdown. You could give that work to a player's machine, but then a modder will be able to change that variable to always true.
Varguard is causing "some" controversy.
Denuvo: first time?
My friend's PC got a BSOD after running Valorant. It kept getting a BSOD every time he boots up. He managed to somehow fix it by doing a clean install of windows using a flash drive.
I hate easy anticheat, I have to close the software of my tridentZ RGB RAM every time I'd like to start Fortnite, cause it's running in the background 😭
does ram use the same RGB software as the MB
my crucial BALLISTIX ram was controlled with both Asrock Polychrome when I had it and MSI dragoncenter
Now imagine every future game shipping with its very own driver that's always active. Welcome to hell.
You cheaters made it Hell, now accept 👉🏾defeat.👈🏾
I'm sure they're all scrambling to make them right now. Once one guy gets away with it they all start creating their own.
Soon they'll say it's "necessary" and people will confirm it by saying "every other game has it so why not." That's why they all get together to push it so much. If it's everywhere people think it's normal.
@@Keepskatin There were cheaters in Valorant since like day 3 or 4 WITH the kernel level anti cheat. So no.
You’re still free to pass on any game that has those measures in place
Wow never new 20 people were first!
Hate to be that guy but Knew* xd
Yeah, you can say there were... 21st
dont be that way ... im sure he new that
@@dragonicbladex7574 I mean its pretty hard to edit their comment and still not spell knew right
This grammar thou
Mistake at 0:55 : Driver are in the .sys file format, not .dll
My computer goes through stages where it will blue screen a lot. Usually while playing a game. It always spits out an error code about memory and the fix is always make sure your drivers are up to date, no matter how often I make sure my drivers are up to date. I never thought that anti-cheat might be the cause. Of course I might just have something else going on. At one point I was convinced my RAM or SSDs were failing. I just continue to make sure everything is up to date and hope for the best.
And that is why, despite how decent the game seems, I will not be playing it. Invasive software like this is bad, unquestionably.
it's a dumb counterstrike clone with shitty cartoon graphics anyway... it is only pushed so hard in everyones face because China money.
Decent? it looks like some mobile game that came out 10 years ago.
Don't be fooled by marketing.
@@ZeroB4NG i'd disagree, i hate cs:go yet valorant was really fun. Although, as soon as too many people started playing and everyone became a tryhard, alongside the anticheat bricking people's PCs, i deleted the game and will not be redownloading it anytime soon.
The problem with Anti-Cheat at Kernel level: i cant play games with emulated Windows :/ (Linux).
Wine Is Not an Emulator
@@igorordecha What is it then?
@@coolguy284_2 a open src version of win32.
Valve: *i have no idea what you’re talking about*
I uninstalled Valorant because I don’t wanna play a game that I gotta have it’s bloatware running in the background sucking 20% ofmy memory without the game even playing, and the fact that I have to restart my pc to be able to play the game with the software off at boot......
Fix your shit riotgames....
a video testing the performance on games with and without DRMs like denuvo would be pretty cool