Why can it be so tricky to get my FrSky receiver bound?
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- Опубликовано: 25 фев 2021
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I found out the secret to binding Frsky receivers last year. Wanna hear it? I rounded up all my Frsky receivers and bound them up in a paper bag then threw them all in the trash bin. Then, I put in TBS crossfire receivers all around. I now have a daily driver of RM Tx16s with a TBS module in the J R bay.
Sadly I suspect that the way Frsky has managed this has pushed a lot of their customers to a similar point. If they just listened to what customers want then RadioMaster, Jumper and others wouldn't have a market.. Such a shame... Happy flying
Same mate - did exactly the same thing. TX16 are great.
Done the same but kept mine now I am flashing to express lrs crossfire was a game changer for me so easy to use I don’t know why I have the Rssi in the osd not needed really
@@Painless360 Lee, I did not mean to take away from your great explanation. You always impress me with your comprehensive coverage of our hobby. I feel I have enjoyed my time at the field so much better after learning from your videos. You really are an encouragement to all. Too bad Frsky neglected to keep in mind their loyal customers from the past when they started making business decisions. I came to love my Horus, but now it sits most of the time unattended.
@@Painless360 - all of my Frsky gear has been thrown away or destroyed out of frustration with a hammer.
Thanks for making these kind of videos. As a new pilot in the hobby, it's hard to know "whats happend before" and the reseaons behind it. Great!
I have a couple of frsky xm+ receivers that I had a difficult time binding, I just threw them in the drawer and forgot about them. Thank you P360 for showing us the ropes... 🖐️🤠👍 And be safe!
We needed a video like this. Good for newbies and even experienced like myself. Thanks 360!
Spot on Lee, that's cleared up a few problems I encountered recently. From the comments before, I see it wasn't just me lacking this knowledge👍Thanks again.
One of you're best tech review ever done! You have the gift to clear share and easy explain with us, your great RC knowledge ! Tnx
WOW! I don't think anyone can explain this better than what you did here on this video! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Lee, good summary. Like many others, I am transitioning everything to Crossfire. It is brilliant. Haven't purchased a FrSky product in years and never will again.
A thorough and straightforward explanation, thanks. It's not doing much to help me fight the temptation to buy a T16S though!
Thanks for doing this video Lee, best explanation I've seen so far of the mess Frsky made for themselves, I've been a Frsky fan boy since the beginning, going from solder in Tx modules to plugin modules and a Taranis. I bought a Horus when they first came out I now wish I'd waited for the Radiomaster, I wont be buying into the Access protocol. My love affair with Frsky is now somewhat jaded.
I bought in to FrSky several years ago with a Taranis X9D ACCST and a year later with an X-Lite ACCST. Although they run the latest Open-Tx I haven't flashed the radios since I set them up and I still have about a dozen ACCST Rxs from r-XSRs to Varios, (even that stupid self-levelling Rx they sold). They all work fine. The moral being, if it works, don't fix it.
FINALLY!! I understand! Thank you! I'm so not happy with FrSky right now. They should have done as you said, 1. Made their radios backward compatible to D8 and 2. Autosense what protocol the receiver has. They so screwed their loyal customers.
So my d8 setting gets 16 channels now . 👍
Boy I needed this video!
Im currently building 2.4ghz express LRS modules. I have a couple of atto receivers to flash also. Even the flashing and binding of these is easier than FrSky sometimes. Once initially flashed it can be done in future via WiFi for tx and FC pass through for rx. Binding is also auto with you setting a bind phrase.
Very informative, thank you ✌️
Fantastic video, Lee! Thanks a lot! 😃
Yeah, it's too much complicated for me as well. I still got my X9D, but... I'm not really happy with it. 😕
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@@M-H433 It's ACCST and I won't be updating to ACCST 2... So it's starting to be difficult to get receivers.
Simply put thank you.
Thanks for explanation. I'm capable of flashing, reflashing, messing with all those different protocols, but I dont want to. I have bunch of frsky receivers, but I dont want to put any in my plane, because of all the mess ahead when it doesnt bind. I think they will end up in the trash bin.
Looking through the comments noticed some guys have reply a week before the video aired. 🤔
Nice explanation i have used Frsky from the start after i modded a Futaba Challenger with one of their internal Tx module when the cost of Futaba receivers got too high and was not cost effective to buy receivers for my Futaba FF7 (T7c).
This video (like loads of others) are available via the playlists before they air. You'll get lots of extra stuff if you're a Patreon. ;)
Thanks for the explanation. It looks like that Frsky commercial strategy is no strategy at all. Maybe in the future they will listen to their customers and they would add those restricted protocols to their radios by adding a notification to their radios so they can discharge the responsability of using them to their customers. That way Frsky radios would be compatible with Frsky receivers like others do. Who knows maybe one day they will activate their receiver to listen their customers with the protocol they talk ;D
Hello Lee, I just upgraded my X9 Lite to a TX16S, I have/had an R9M Lite Pro module and some receivers for a couple of quads and had hoped I would be able to 3d Print a cover and manually wire the smaller module bay to fit with the slim module. The problem I am facing thus far is that the TX16S does not expect to support the slimmer modules and it is therefore not available to select when in the bind menu. I know the opposite problem of having too small a bay has a fix, but what I am looking to do seems more niche of a problem.
So what I am wondering is if there is any way to modify the bin firmware build to have it appear for the TX16S. I assume it would not be possible to wire it up and use the regular R9M option and pretend its the correct one (but lower the output power). Is my issue at all possible to "fix" or should I just give up.
Thanks so much for this so good video. I am new in this hobby but still can not understand why the companies do not make it more easy. Why not the multi protocol radios recognize automatically the receiver and bind or make it more easy like TBS and all is perfect with the hobbyist .
Thanks for this! Spent a whole weekend trying to get an MX+ from banggood to bind with my QX7 - had to get older receiver firmware from a guy on a facebook group to get it working :/ I can see the appeal of the multi-protocol modules now.
Check out all of my recent videos about this - they have the link to the firmwares that FrSky kindly no longer list to support pilots. I hope that helps others..
Eu mesmo atualizei meu qx7 e agora não binda mais com o xmplus,tive q adquirir outro rádio.
Two years down the track, there is now UNI RX a ACCST D16 mode Receiver firmware that will work with any ACCST version for selected FrSky D16 receivers, this is not a FrSky firmware however, but it does have their blessing.
Video on that coming at the weekend. Happy flying!
@@Painless360 it works (on the bench) I’ve just installed it onto a couple of X8Rs
Thanks for the video. I have a Taranis X9D+ and RM TX16. After using the TX16 for about 9 months, I am converted and most of my planes are using this radio. Mt last time that I use the Taranis must be last summer. Sad really as the Taranis is a solid radio but not versatile at all
Got a Radiomaster TX16 never looked back. I still have my Qx7s radio bound to one 5inch quad 🤣
Excellent video👍. I’ve been struggling to bind the xm+ receiver. Having watched endless videos and flashed countless variations, it still does not bind. Clearly the issue lies with identifying the correct protocol and this really should be a lot simpler.
The fault lies with manufacturers woeful programming and a complete lack of any testing whatsoever.
been having the same issue. did you end up finding something that worked?
Great video, thanks for taking the time to produce it. In the video you mentioned the move to V2.x.x (ACCST) which caused a lot if binding issues because it was incompatible with any of the previous firmware versions of ACCST but you also said that that issue has been fixed. Well I missed that memo, can you point me to some source that explains what has been done to fix the problem? Thanks!
I have a video on that. V1 won't talk to V2 and vice versa. Still the same. Unless you use an MPM ;)
Happy flying
I have an old X9D and crossfire. I also just bought a JumperT lite for ease of mobility and no plans to get any new FrSky products again.
Really good vid ! Can the Radiomaster receivers (specifically the R168 which has V1 ACCST) be reflashed to V2 ?? I only ask as the X20 Tandem only seems to do V2 ??
Great video and explanation, so how does one go to the next step and identify which from the binding options which ‘flavour’ goes with what.There are so many options
There is no way. You have to try them all in turn. Terrible implementation by FrSky.. Interestingly, someone else developed a good solution ruclips.net/video/Tjr7Gdjc9No/видео.html
I dont know how but i menge to bind my old JUMPER T8SG PLUS with RXSR d16 reciver LBT USING FrSkyX protocol,i just opened all 16 chanels ant hit bind
You have made a good video on the mess that frsky got them self into. I have had frsky from 2012. I have 2 frsky radios and one radio with a hack transmitter module. I have now got a radiomaster tx16s best radio I have ever had. Can the tx16s bind to the archer receivers ACCSS?
No, see my videos on it.. Best of luck
Inially my radio talked to my receivers but they don"t and i can not bind any of my new receivers. Also my radio will not pick up any telemetry info from the verio, lipo or GPS sensors daisy chained together.. What do I need to do to get my stuff working.
What did you change?
I kept my XD9 plus radio for simulator only , no more Frsky . Thumbs up Radio master , Jumper & TBS crossfire.
Is it really a thing limited to FrSky receivers or more in general the protocol D8 / D16
I abandoned the whole FrSky ship back when they startet to go for the accst protocol and started fighting to get Jumper radios from dealers shelves. I instantly sold my 2 FrSky radios , the x9d and joystick one, I guess x-lite radio and since then went for what FrSky had tried to ban: Jumper and later Radiomaster
But i had not so much trouble with the receivers that I could not replace that easy ... till I moved forward to crossfire for most cases (except sail boats and rovers that work beautifull with those older receivers).
But I guess I avoided a lot of trouble by buying just 2 kinds or models of receivers and stayed with those but I had not suffered from space and weight cause I do not build copters cause there I prefer DJi products to stay on the safe side with the more expensive stuff.
I understand that a multiprotocol module (i have the iRangeX IRX4 Plus installed in my QX7) can talk to a lot of protocols, including all of the frsky variants ( except access). But then you still are using frsky receivers. I would like to know wich other protocols are good/often used. Is it only crossfire? What kind of receivers i can put in my tiny whoops/ mini quads?
Btw: great explanation of all the different ice cream flavours
Hi,
My taranis QX7 is unable to detect the external R9M 2019 module in the "MODULES / RX VERSION" page. Even though I am able to upgrade the firmware of the R9M, but it just doesn't show up on the page. Strange that the Firmware Upgrade communication between the QX7 and the R9M is good, but then it stops detecting the external R9M.
due to that I am unable to bind any of my long range R9 Slim+ receivers. Please help !
I don't use the R9M here so no idea, best of luck..
Today, you can use a multi-module in most Tx with a Jr style slot in the back, or the ability to output PPM, even very old Tx from the 70's have been converted. No problems. With the new Rx software from Mike blandford, you get greatly increased performance and reliability.
Thank you for the comment. Interesting that Frsky weren't the ones to fix it, isn't it... Happy flying
Hello - I'm just starting out and have an AR Wing on order. This video was spot on! I've been pulling my hair out trying to get my new X7 (ACCESS) bound to an Archer M+. Finally got the right firmware for the trans, receiver and internal module. Why they don't do this at the factory is beyond me.
Quick question - I watched one of your videos that included a segment on Calibration and Leveling. You walked thru the steps and mentioned the params that have to be manually tweaked in the Arduplane parameter list. You had a model propped up with the right Angle of Attack and set a manual Param by specific degrees. I have looked and looked but cannot find that segment again! My F405 Wing thinks that "level" is sitting in the tail dragger position on the ground. Can you recall the video this was covered in?
There are only three series on ArduPlane - one with the Omnibus, One with a Matek F405 and one with the PixHawk Cube. You can find them a lot easier by using the playlists. With such a huge number of videos the playlists can often be a good way to find something again.
I walked up a mountain yesterday to a good spot only to find my quad wasn’t bound to transmitter, couldn’t access bind button. My fault as I’d been messing about with tx firmware a few months ago. I have a uk65 which is international only. I have since bought crossfire and will never use frsky again, I’ve had so much trouble over the years even when the firmware matched 🙄
I've done that too. Most of the pilots I know have too.. I now test things before I load up the car. It always seems to be the model with the RX hidden away that has the issue isn't it! :D
Thanks for the explanation, I bought a new RX6R receiver that came loaded with V2. With guidance from your videos I found the V1 firmware on the FrSky website and backdated it and now have it bound to my 2 year old transmitter. What about software updates? Is it safe and recommended to update the Tx software? I’m hesitant to touch it now 🤔
ruclips.net/video/2QbXrTMrk6wi/видео.htmls worth a watch. I've never updated the XJT firmware, just OpenTX and it works fine..
Binding seems to work on my Radiomaster TX16S to Turnigy TGY-iA6B and TGY-iA6c ... (Flys great) HOWEVER quite often when I get to the flying field they are unbound ( not binded ?? ) Re-binding the Rx as normal seems to work. Any idea why ?
If you are using the latest MPM firmware then report the problem via the project wiki to let Pascal know... Best of luck
@@Painless360 Thanks for producing such a great channel. Great Job and keep safe.
Now what version of Open TX Companion do I use?
Same version as the Opentx on your radio..
Will the Radiomaster multi protocol transmitters talk Frsky Gen 1 V8 series receivers? Thank you
I've not used them here but it is easy to check - ruclips.net/video/DfKyx0yTbXU/видео.html
Hi Lee,
I’m looking at swapping everything away from Frsky, maybe run Tracer? Though I fly planes/wings, and from what I understand, I can’t get a Tracer receiver with pins ready to go? Or I go crossfire so I have long range capabilities and use frsky receivers on a Radiomaster? Too many options! Dan
I still use ACCST D16 receivers in lots of my models with no worries. The new RadioMaster receivers are nice and cheap and seem to work well too..
Hi Lee,wonder if you can help,I've got a frsky x-lite that has stopped binding to any reciever,has the real time clock battery warning on start up,would this affect the binding process,you videos are a god send thanx.
It shouldn't affect binding but I'd swap the battery and see if anything changes... Best of luck
@Painless360 thank you Lee ,If not I'll buy the boxer,the 4-1 does accst v2 am I correct.
Hi Lee, I've been trying to bind two R8 pro receivers in series to give me 16 channels but all a can manage is getting two cloned 8 channel receivers. After hours of fruitless searching of the internet I've come up with nothing!
I wonder if you have any tips on the subject that may help me out. Thanks.
Not sure. I've only done that with the X8R.. ruclips.net/video/ST9LON1-Bvg/видео.html
@@Painless360 thanks Lee, we've resorted to a couple of sbus 16 channel break out boards which are probably better for our purposes.
We've about 34 servos running off 3 radios.
Thank you so much for your videos. Thousands depend on them . I am certainly one of them . I just got a 2019 Taranis ACCESS and with it came a X8R receiver WITHOUT a bind button. The supplied instructions are wrong. There is no information out there on how to bind .Can you save my life. Please help.
I've never seen an X8R without a button. What does it say in the online manual for it? Did the person you bought it from provide 1st line support? Is it genuine?
Will the frsky receiver v8fr bind with the taranis t9 lite
No idea, I've never used one. Looking at the manual there is talk of a protocol I've never seen on a Taranis radio so you possibly need an external module in the bay to connect to it. Best of luck.
And just to add another flavour there was EU before EU LBT and EU doesn't talk to EU LBT as having an early EU Taranis I'm learning all about it.
Good summary, thx. Here is a weird one. Updated S8R with accst v2.1.0 and bound to X10s also with v2.1.0 on the ixjt. D16 mode, ch1-8 telemetry ON. However, now there is no telemetry from the S8R, no rssi, no rx bat voltage. Tried deleting and rediscovering the telemetry sensors. Have you seen this? Is this a known bug? Or did I mess something else up? Cheers.
Not sure, I'm not following FrSky into 2.1 because of reports of these kinds of issues.. Let me know how you get on..
Great video. My FrSky (QX7) radio is still working, until it stops functioning, I'm ok with it. It's a nice radio. I'm building a new quad, questioning what to put in it. If I have trouble with the R-XSR. I'm not sure what I'm going to do. To be honest. We'll see.
Rxsr uses frsky d16 not frsky rx protocol . Mine works now
hi lee i got archer r8 pro and i sucseed to bind to my tranisq x7 but didnt understand how to connect this reciver to my pixhwak .. thanks alot
Check out my Pixhawk videos. Connect the SBUS OUT on the receiver to the RC IN on the Pixhawk. Best of luck
@@Painless360 it didn’t work maybe it
something at the full parameter list??
Thanks🙏🏻
Sbus inputs are configured by default. Check out those Pixhawk series.... Best of luck
I need your help! I still can't get mine to bind and I have tried everything and even got a new x8r
What troubleshooting have you already done?
@@Painless360 so I'm not sure why but when I try to bind it just goes straight to solid red and green and doesn't flash, Even if I don't have the radio on. And I know you said before that if it goes red and green solid then it could be a firmware thing so I updated the firmware on it and made sure it was non eu like my controller. I'm just not sure what to do lol
@@Painless360 if you have any clue what I should do I would appreciate it.
This is exactly what happened to me, I can no longer understand what firmware I have on the receivers (X series) that I used with a Taranis X9D plus and on the “new” radio (x12s) that has an ISRM module and a multiprotocol module… I am very confused and continue to fly with the old Taranis…
If the receiver is using ACCST then it'll be one of 4 flavours. V1 (in either LBT or ECC firmware), or V2 (with the same two flavours). Luckily, multiprotocol modules support all of them so try them one my one and you'll find the one that works! LBT receivers (made for use in the EU) will normally have a sticker on them with LBT printed on it, so that halves the choices.. Best of luck!
@@Painless360 Thanks for quick feedback!
I assume that on my receivers is present the fw 1.5.something LBT, and also on my taranis.
the things is: what is presesent on internal ISRM module of my x12s?
i will try to bind the receivers with the external module...
yes as you say FrSky lost the ball with all this changes...
This may help ruclips.net/video/ULAic-lJOmU/видео.html
Until the end of 2020 I've been thinking that FrSky will end up selling just their receivers, but then radiomaster released R161 and R168 receivers :D
There is not much left for them anymore.
At this moment IMHO for longer distances TBS is the way, for LOS flights Radiomaster receivers because of value/£ $ €
Great explanation, such a shame FRSky did all this. Maybe they have a radio and new OS in the pipeline 😉
Indeed. Another closed system that moves away from the reason we all invested in their products perhaps?
@@Painless360 I use the FRSky OS and every plane has a FRSky receiver, and unfortunately I updated the radio, so every receiver had to be updated. So I hope they do something and free the restrictions. Spectrum are so doing so many great things, make me think, maybe I should bite the bullet of cost and start again 🤷🏻♂️
@@DadsRCHangar me too. So many wrong things I bought. Collect old 27 72 mHz stick and car. Did tenth on road 10 years
Hmmm , so I barely get to use my x9d and it’s obsolete.???
Not at all!
Once i noticed Rxsr used d16 or d8 and not frskyRX
Radiomaster T16S and crossfire, no issues.
Yep, me too! :D
I third that.👍
the long and the short of it ...E,U, Screwed us again
Nope. FrSky messed up by not giving you the choice on a per model basis. If Jumper/Radiomaster can do so could FrSky, but they choose not to
I bought the Taranis X9D Plus 2019 se access and access receivers, I thought all my issues would be solved by investing in the latest Frsky gear. Well my Taranis won’t bind to my access, it won’t even register, I updated the firmware which was a mission. I am fed up.
The new radio has rssi issues an weak signal issues with my x8r receivers.
All we want is to buy a radio, bind to a receiver and fly, no need for firmware and other upgrades, just work out of the box. I am thinking of giving up the hobby because of this nonsense. I am not sure if Radiomaster will need all these firmware upgrades to work on my old receivers.
Don't give up
See my kit picks video from August last year for what I use.. Best of luck
No matter how many "Flavors" you mentioned...... I'm traditional and I stick with🍓 Strawberry🍦, 🥥 Vanilla🍧 and a bit of🥜 chocolate🍨 icecream... 🤣😁😉😋👍
Or neopolitan if you want all three? 🍦
@@Painless360... So.... Neopolitan It is.... 😁😉🍦👍.
Love your videos..... Thanks for your work and dedication.
For those of us that Don't Live in Europe,, It is Not an Issue.
Also Plug in a Multi Module and the QX7, ((ACCST or ACCESS) as there is Only 2 protocols..),, Will bind to More than a Jumper Multi can,, And for Value,, it is Still the Best Transmitter on the market.!!
But If My Taranis ever dies,, I will Purchase a RadioMaster, (Only if they make me a Thumb wheel instead of the Scroll wheel)!!
Frsky was just to much hard work , but , I would always bind the reciever before I would install it into a kwad , made it so much easier . Thankfully , No more Frsky for me , Crossfire on a Radiomaster TS16 . Less Lag , better range , auto bind and reciever updates over the radio . Frsky could take a lesson .
I still have a red frsky long range ta never bound . I fly in neighborhoods overpeople and traffic in controlled airspace near a comercial airpirt and several helpads .with too much power So it is fly , Disappear ., fly again. The stuff is all new still
sweet video. .. wonder why they are trying to kill their company .. I got the radio master tx16 job done .. RSXR receivers
Thanks fot this I have typed 1000's words on forums trying to help people bind frsky rx to tx. Maybe should have made the video myself would have saved me time trying to explain it all. Another thing is that Open TX version is nothing to do really with transmission protocol ( apart from not ticking EU to enable D8) people are still confused about that. I agree that they destroyed their own market with all this - and something they could have fixed themselves. They could get into the multiprotocol market at a slightly higher price point as their quality is better than radiomaster. They had to open up v2.1 as it was really developed outside frsky as they screwed up a number of attempts to get round the mysteries glitch - which I have never seen.
Any a very useful video thaf should be referenced in every forum covering ACCST protocols.
Thank.
Anatomy of bad business model.
Surely Fr Sky are dying a slow death...
Futaba old hardware
FrSky is digging their own grave with this crap. It's a shame, but they get no sympathy from me with their complete disregard for their customers and their bullying tactics with vendors. FU Frsky
They stole the tech from futaba didn't they. F them
Frsky is dead to me.
Cuz....u shoulda bought crossfire lol
I wonder how many people at Frsky grasp just how badly the company screwed up? Virtually EVERYONE in this hobby was using their product... and then Frsky went to great trouble and expense to achieve... what?
Pissing everyone off and squandering all the good faith of their customers. This is why I believe that success in business is not an indicator of genius. Mostly just a lucky happenstance, and the unappreciated toiling of some low level employees. 🤨
I think they are drinking nothing but their own cool-aid at this point. If they just listened to what customers want and stuck to the open nature of their original products then they would still be the darlings of the hobby and the default choice. Such a shame... Happy flying
Frisky have spent the last 2 years acting like a moody kid.