I'll tell you what, man, this shit is great. I served in Afghanistan back in 2013 as an airborne infantryman. I don't even know the concept of conventional warfare. I was so used to resuplies. Watching your stuff and old Macv-sog videos trying to piece together something.
I spent twenty-three years in the Infantry, six of which were in LRSD. I was in the first gulf war with the 2-502(101st) and we saw no combat, but I gained experience in other ways. I spent a year in Afghanistan 05-06. I was in four separate shooting engagements and patrolled almost every single day or night. Rolling all of that experience up together I'd have to say that the environment will completely change your kit/loadout. Big differences between summer/winter, hot/cold. Elevations, because 6500'-8500' ASL will be a massive shock to your system. When I was in the first gulf war; First of all, its fucking miserable AF there. Second issue, we were way overloaded to the point of combat ineffective. You can't fight that way and IMO; fighting in the desert requires having motorized assets. In the LRSD we didn't have body armor and thus our LBE's were on the heavier side, but you could still move quickly because of the lack of armor. Our rucks were somewhat on the heavy end, but we were always prepared to drop them in order to break contact. We really relied heavily on our LBE's and set them up accordingly. In Afghanistan my kit from day one to day 365 were nothing alike. I dropped so much weight, so much weight. 6500' ASL sucks even if you're a marathon runner. Similar to the desert, you really can't fight heavy in the mountains. I did wear a plate carrier my entire year there and probably would again but you basically have to drop any excess weight and tailor each day to that day's mission. I was issued a side arm but anytime I dismounted I left it in my truck. I got into the habit of going light on mags on my plate carrier but keeping a bandoleer of mags on my patrol pack. For one thing it relieves weight on your chest and makes breathing easier, and if we were in a heavy fight I could drop my pack and grab the bandoleer. Frags are nice, especially at night but I really prefer smoke grenades for daytime ops. While in the LRSD I was a big fan of a smoke/CS combo for breaking contact. Sometimes you have to decide what is most mission critical even when it comes to ordinance. After I retired, I worked static security on CIA compounds in Astan for three years. Most of the time I'd only ever have four rifle mags and my side arm. We had hardened positions with plenty of prepo'd ammo. So being able to move fast was far more critical. So, the moral of the story is, there is no rig set up for all occasions. There are all good ideas for those looking for good ideas. Nobody should believe their solutions are better because they fought in Fallujah and never fired a shot again or because they win the local airsoft tournament every year. There is probably a set up that worked best in Fallujah and after a few days I'm sure most guys figured it out. All I can say is don't get emotionally attached to your kit and make sure you're testing it in the field. How my kit would be set up if I were fighting conventionally versus unconventionally is not the same. At the end of the day your kit must take into consideration comfort. Take cops for instance who spend the majority of their day in vehicles. Most of them have their belts built out with that in mind. If I were back in the light infantry again, I'd probably be running a split front rig over my armor and likely wouldn't have much on my belt other than my leatherman and maybe a fighting knife. That's because we never had motorized assets before I fought in Afghanistan. We walked, and walked, and walked and walked all the fucking time. So, my kit was set up with that in mind.
I would agree. This makes a lot more sense for infantrymen. You're other set up would seem more practical for a civilian, because we would be more likely geared toward survival and escape rather than jumping in a fight.
Love your set up. I'm late to the comments FWIW. I was '94 to 2015 USMC and did business pre and post GWOT. Whats funny is that in the 90's we basically followed and used gear that the guys were using in Vietman, it was old and needed modern materials, but it worked. Then we shit canned everything for GWOT. Now everyone is setting up like we did in the 70's/90's. Butt-packs, H or Y harness, mag pouches on the belt. I love seeing young Devil Dogs following the old school principles. Good stuff!
Not a bad supplement. I wish there were more options for low profile webbing suspenders to wear a full belt kit under your armor, like you see the brits do.
There’s not a lot out there, these ones, blue force gear socC suspenders, and I’ve also worn the mayflower jungle kit harness under a plate carrier. Very comfortable and a very solid harness
Love the setup boss. Just some little things I’ve done for my belt kit/TAPs that you could experiment with: I use the same GP pouch for my NODs; I like to keep an extra battery for my PVS and my headlamp (and usually a few extra AA/AAAs and 123s for the bros) in that front zip pouch on the GP just in a little ziplock bag. A lot quicker to access than a a hard case, plus it helps me stay organized knowing that my NVG batteries are the same place as the actual NVGs. Haven’t had any issues yet with them getting damaged/leaking from getting in the prone or anything like that even though they stick out just a bit. If those straps don’t end up working out for you, I’ve found the BlueForceGear SOC-C suspenders to work really well. They’ve got a loop of super thick shock cord built into where the front and back straps meet and pretty much do the same deal as your shock loops. Don’t have any issues with the belt riding up when I bend over and I don’t even run an inner belt.
First of all I’m a civilian and I love your videos and your input. Even though realisty I’ll never have to use this knowledge. But I think it’s interesting none the less. However “I had a baoynet laying around and I thought to myself self that be pretty f***ing cool.” I felt that 😂 keep up the videos
Well even if you may never have to (and i REALLY hope we dont depending on the craziness of the politcal landscape these days...) but its still good to learn just in case and good to teach your kids and others just in case something happens during their lifetime
Such great quality videos! Webbing for the British army we use in a slightly different way. But it’s still great to learn and understand how others employ there kit.
Idk why I watch your vids despite being a CIF warrior but this seems like a decent compromise between belt kit and a gun belt. I run two double mag pouches on the left, dump pouch in back, and an IFAK on my right hip with a TQ on the farthest right MOLLE column. I keep the front of my PC slick with another double mag pouch on the front of the left cummerbund, a TQ on the front right, and a grenade pouch behind each. I have a hydration bladder on the back. If I were issued a single stack mag pouch I'd use that on the front but this setup works fine and I don't need to use it much. I played around with putting a GP pouch on it and what I found is that putting the IFAK at the back of my belt, putting the dump pouch on the rear of my cummerbund, and putting the issued assault pack MOLLE pouch on my right hip worked best. It has a little loop you can tie down your NVG to and it can fit the issued IFAK in a plastic bag and NVG together.
Sic azz battle belt man. I love how you're reading the writing on the wall regarding war fighting in the future. Your integration of survival items is above and beyond, and you're ready to kick the enemy's dck in the dirt. Like Jocko says, you're playing the long game. Get some, brother.😎🇺🇸💪🏽🤘🏽
Good thinking. Change from GWOT thinking to conventional. I would suggest an entrenching tool on the rig. Look at the glock which is very light. It also has a saw. If you have USGI then possibly also a small hand saw, like a Bahco laplander. Sandbags
Do you wear the harness underneath or over the plate carrier? How do you sit in a vehicle with the buttpack? Would it be possible to move all the survival stuff into uniform cargo pockets?
Yeah I wear it under my plate carrier I don’t sit in Vic’s very often, but it’s no problem with troop transport style bench seats And yes it would be possible to put it all in pockets but I don’t really want to do that
Really like the passion you display for your craft. Especially liked the segment about IFAKs! Would you be able to bring in an experienced Corpsman you trust as a guest speaker? It would be awesome to see how others make the medbag more efficiently applied onto our rucks/kits alongside all the other gear.
@@TheGruntPerspectivecheck out the begadi frontier one poncho liner as well, similar to the swagman or the hill people gear serape, but a bit lighter and cheaper (than serape). While lighter weight it has slightly more insulation, the trade off being the shell thickness. Also neat feature of underside being orange for signaling
Same here brother. I keep looking at what is happening in Ukraine and seeing what a peer on near pear war can look like. How many mags to carry, are IR patches vital or something that will get you killed because the bad guys have the same optics. Should I have an thermo defeating camo netting on my person, in my ruck excet. Me and another old timer in my division have been talking and we both came to the conclusion separately it is important to have a plate carrier kit and an H harness kit that can be worn together or separately as needed.
Where water? Gurwhich over at modern tactical shooting had a good breakdown of belt + plates and cited britts + ukraine for references. Been eyeballing the attackpak ilcs system to pair with plates for a while and may just go for it. Love the concept but prefer other pack designs and its a lot of cash for so few reviews to reference.
Your videos are really good and super informative. Coming from a civilian I like the knowledge you’re passing along. A question I’ve been debating though for my uses of just preparedness in general, possible patrolling as a civilian just in case. I have a platatac peacekeeper mk5 and an eagle lbe and I feel like they can accomplish the same things in like a 24h time period. What are your thoughts on those two if you don’t mind me asking?
I really wish there was more companies making butt packs like that It's a piece of kit that has kept coming back since the 50s, no idea why it keeps falling out, other than people over complicating the design. Just a simple bucket design with that drawstring closure just like that with modern hardware and a modern molle attachment system would be perfect. I tried the Rothco one but that one feels like a gust of wind might tear it apart, the flap doesn't quite close, and it has Alice clips on the back
@@9877joseph I've seen that one, but I don't like that it's all just attached to a premade rig, rather than being able to add it to an existing harness
By the way, what NVG insert is that? Been using the one spiritus makes for the GP but honestly been disappointed in it. Not much padding, doesn’t give coverage all the way around the front/back/sides of the pouch, and the Velcro backing on it is already starting to peel after only a few months.
@@TheGruntPerspective Thank You for presenting the FACTS that our next War won't be a cake walk and addressing the issues we have ignored over the past 20 years... I've been 22 years and counting working Air Force Intelligence...we need to address how to Fight a Peer advisory!!!
My opinion, subject to change. Sunscreen for my fair complexion. The butt pack is indispensable. Same with a canteen. I carry a poncho and thick tough space blanket in the butt pack. The ground tarp as a roof is a smart move. The bayonet is essential Marine regalia, only the uninitiated and SOF/ SOF wannabe copycat types disagree. Maybe if they pack another mag instead, then I’ll sway. The same argument is given for not carrying a fixed blade. A large pitch stick/fat wood lives in my butt pack and has done so since I was taught to do so by a ‘69 Army Airborne Nam vet. A bug hat/ net and bug dope. Significant emphasis on cut/wound cleaning. I got Celulitus and MRSA. Avoid it. Not to mention Sepsis to death would be the ultimate suck.
Two questions, why not run something similar to the issued style belt and would it be possible to get some videos on how to best use/setup the issued gear in a similar way? Love what you're doing and keep the knowledge transfer going.
I like the Velcro inner outer belts for the security, as fas as making videos on issued gear setups, possible in the future. For now I’d check out venture surplus, he’s got lots of videos on making issued gear not suck
Could your grenade pouches fit on the sides of your first aid kit? If so maybe you could add a couple double mag pouches or canteen. Also could you maybe move the bayonet to the underside of you buttpack/ifak? Is there a good way to secure it? If so even more real estate opened. I would take the admin pouches and run them on my armor since they are lighter but I understand wanting them as first line. I wore an iba with Alice gear over it. I humped mountains in kosovo with it and drove through the desert with it. If you geothermal grenade pouches over and add mag pouches you can add more grenade pouches to you mag pouches. Freedom Yeets for everybody.
Just to clarify, this kit is different from your "belt kit" one, correct? As in this kit is intended to always go with a plate carrier, whereas the belt kit *can* go with a PC, but not necessarily intended to?
I think it’s more of a cool thing then a functional thing. Everyone says “I can use it for breaching stuff” but there’s a lot of way better specialized tools out there for that
"Battleaxes" are super cringe and a poser thing to be wearing. Although there's definitely value in having a hatchet or a carpenter's axe for fieldcraft purposes, but you would only be wearing that on your belt when you're actively using it to build field fortifications etc. Just having a tomahawk tangle off your belt is cringe.
perhaps a silly question but how sharp is your bayonet, can you shave with it ? have you considered caring a 9mm box cutter something like let's say the Olfa SVR-2 having a small and extremely sharp blade Thet you can just snap of when it gets dull is surprisingly useful
hey my brotha, i will support you no matter what , def. wanna talk more n i am tracking down a upgrade to my main e.d.c. leatherman here , if you can help any , let me know , thanks n talk soon > tom !
Have been working on setting up a belt kit and your videos have been very helpful, I was looking to piece something together similar to your first video but also with an ear towards being able to use with with a chest rig, plate carrier and/or assault pack/ruck as needed. I am curious as to what other problems you encountered using the larger style belt kit along with your plate carrier, was it simply too much weight/gear? Or were there fitment/compatability issues? How did the velocity harness work out under the PC? My basic idea was to still have a chest rig/plate carrier either decked out or micro style/slick to have some quick access magazines and say water bladder, then use the belt kit to resupply water/ammo from. Essentially blend the gap of carrying less essential sustainment gear on the belt where the load is better distributed but slower to access, while still maintaining the benefits of ready access to fighting equipment on the chest.. this updated kit seems like a nice compromise there. Just a humble civilian though, I know our equipment needs differ but I appreciate a true “grunt perspective”!
I honestly didn’t have any problems with the big belt kit. I basically wanted the space to carry some of that emergency stuff in all of my kits though. And I really liked the way my plate carrier had been set up for years now, and wasn’t really ready to go full belt kit all the time . So I made this belt to pair with my set up plate carrier to allow me to carry some of that emergency stuff. The jungle harness works great under a plate carrier Thanks for watching!
I'd be interested to know if there is a real scenario where you would use a bayonet attached to the rifle. I'm in the Argentinian army, and sadly our last combat experience was in the 90s, which didn't see bayonet use AFAIK.
nobody carried a bayonet on overseas tours. it just wasnt in style then and if you did youd look like a rambo wannabe tool. it barely makes sense on a 14.5" M4. 18" M27 ok i could see that. well i regret not carrying one. if i had, id cut my steaks with my 'combat knife' and have a good excuse for telling war stories at cookouts.
It strikes me that your buttpack is nearly identical in size to the old LBT Mini Buttpack. It’s old enough I don’t think they even made a PALS version, only ALICE.
@@TheGruntPerspective apparently these things lose their IR/night vison capabilities when you spray paint them,is that true? btw, i would really like if you could do a video on shelter camuflage
Idk if I've asked u but what is your opinion on soft armor? Shrapnel is a real danger from getting shelled imo and I like it but don't see it alot. Ive seen grunts back in early gwat wearing some kind of low profile white armor underneath their issued pc but not recently.
Pros: - Very low chance of bursting - Convenient - Can be frozen - Doesn't take up useful space Cons: - Very heavy, probably one of the heaviest ways to carry water. They weigh ~340 grams which is roughly the weight of two 1L Nalgenes and Nalgenes are already one of the heaviest water containers. A 1L Platatac canteen is ~50 grams or 4.5 TIMES lighter per volume of liquid. - Greatly increases vest thickness and pushes your center of gravity backwards; can make wearing a ruck very uncomfortable. - Not viable unless you're wearing body armor - Difficult to refill, even with backflow adapters - Low capacity, requires a secondary container Overall I see them more as a luxury item for short duration missions. For classic infantry stuff they're suboptimal.
I have those, use them when doing yardwork and range trips in the summer. those things are best suited for civvys, policemen, security guards or construction workers in very hot climates. And also base MPs could use these if doing static security. They're definately not for standard issue or taking out to the field.... unless your intent is to 'fakeout' wearing plates for a ruck march hehehe
Ever notice the rice patty rangers or the Muslim militias wearing soccer clothes just carry an AK and an extra magazine. That's it. What?? No toilet paper?
Militia "minuteman" (if you arent familiar with that term look it up from the American Revolution) type belt kit for gear that we can just throw on and fight and evade
Said it about your plate carrier as well. Waaaaay too much stuff. Most of that belongs in your 72 hour pack. You don’t need any of the survival gear. If you get separated from your unit, and the whole battalion spends their weekend looking for you, and they find you fishing by a creek that’s blanket party time. Leave that stuff at home. Fighting load - ammo, water, power bars, medical. Can’t imagine hiding an IFAK in your butt pack. Your unit MUST have an SOP so your buddies know where to find your gear. You also don’t need any more than they issue to treat one wound. Your Corpsman has more gear, and one wound and you’ll be Casevac’ed. We got a LOT of experience during the GWOT and you’ll be at a hospital during the “golden hour” no matter what. You’ve learned that they’ll give you extra gear to carry, not just frags and signals but mortar rounds and rockets. You need a place for that stuff and you can’t be overloaded with gear to begin with. Unless the Corps has changed a lot, no Plt Sgt is ever going to let you take all that to the field. As I mentioned in your other vid, been a Marine for over 40 years and carried a lot of gear in a few different systems both in training and in combat. You might want to read “A soldiers Load and the Mobility of a Nation” by SLA Marshall. It must still be on the commandant’s reading list.
Having a survival kit isn't foolish at all, and if someone gets broken so far off from his unit that he has to use one, no one is going to fault him for it. In a near peer war, you're going to see units break contact from IDF, and people are going to naturally get separated. In regards to the golden hour, we have only been afforded that opportunity due to how permissive our environments have been. It should not be relied upon when facing a near peer threat. I do agree that he is carrying far too much though. One IFAK is enough, especially when everyone has one. And if doc does go down, you can crossroad his supplies or designate a new member He could also lesson up on the amount of batteries he's carrying on his belt.
@@Douglas-jn7bj If we're doing near peer/ conventional warfare casualties taken will be quite high. A whole battalion wiped out like nothing and the medic has to go without resupply. It won't be one or two dudes with a rusty ak, it'll be an equal sized element. Lots of trench warfare. Lots of sitting around and a high need for self sustainment. Some wound cavities could require 4 gauzes to fill in all the space, assuming it is packed properly the first time it is done. You shouldn't rely on a medic to carry anything that you can't treat yourself by reading a bottle or doing a quick google search.
@floridaman8136 We could go through a million what ifs and carry 400 lbs of gear per a SM tp check all our boxes. At some point we have to realize that more weight= less speed= more time on the X= more people getting shot( and a whole lot more problems) You have a preponderance of medical personnel in HHC, you have 4 docs per company carrying a boat load of supplies. Then you have aid and litter teams carrying CLS bags organic to every fireteam and squad. I don't see why anyone should be carrying two IFAKS on their 1st line. If you want to spread load extra gauze or IFAK's across a company that will specifically go in rucksacks or at most assault packs then that makes sense.
@@Douglas-jn7bj I see your point. At the same time if extra medical equipment can go in an assault pack, but this guy doesn't have an assault pack (instead he has all his equipment on his person) whats the dif. I just don't think an extra IFAK as a squad/team leader is the end of the world. Plus it's not even a full IFAK and as I was saying, a GSW likely would take more than two gauze to fill. Doc can treat 2 CAS out of his aid bag, Including that person's IFAK. CLS bag is another 2. Having some extra gauze and an extra wrap could help a lot and is not very much weight.
What you gonna do when you need to jump in the car or sit down on something that you got a put your back flat you’re gonna have that big lump in your waist. Remove anything if you move a fashionable car in this slam in the break you’re gonna get hurt that’s why they swim down the Bill and Carrie what you get me an eight hour Perry or 24 hour period is medic in the way to fight out in a little of food and water
I doubt body armor is going to be a thing for whatever you have in mind. Mechanized infantry does that. Moving massive distances on foot without any vehicles to help out is what youl be doing. You aren’t part of a professional military so body armor is just extra weight
The Grunt Perspective does this for a living. He IS professional military. This is not just "I'm mil, but in the event of SHTF I have this other gear...." This guy is legit, strait up, showing what he uses in professional, active, Mil. Which it's impressive to me that he has the equipment flexibility he shows in his vids. And for SHTF, saying "you won't wear armor unless you are professional mil" is wrong. It is all context dependent and equipment dependent. I can elaborate if needed.
@@woodsghost9088 I never claimed he wasn’t legit. As I already stated, I thought this video was in regards to a civilian SHTF situation. Which is isn’t. Don’t know why you’re wearing body armor in a situation where hospitals and other infrastructure don’t exist. You have way more important things to worry about and the vast majority of “preppers” are physically incapable of wearing body armor long term
@@Rokaize I'll agree the majority of Americans are not in physical shape to be running around the woods in body armor. As for "what would you be doing in a SHTF scenario?" An easy answer is "standing guard." Another easy answer is "rolling around in a truck or sitting around a team area as a QRF." If there are no working hospitals, it's really nice to keep bullets out of the body. Sure, armor only protects ...15%(?) of the body? But it's really cool when a bullet fails to penetrate that protected part. Anyway, different thoughts out there. Lots of dudes are alive today because they wore armor. Some are dead today despite wearing armor. Just the way the dice roll.
So no one watching your video for tips is IN THE MILITARY, so they will not have access to grenades. They are NFA items. Why are you wasting 1/4 of your precious belt space for something you will never use? Better to put a mag pouch and a dump pouch there, me thinks. SF.
I'd say majority of TGP's viewers ARE people in the military, because he posts vid's like this: Gear worn BY soldiers, FOR soldiers. I don't give a rats crap about a civvies range belt and slick low-profile PC, i want to see how fellow soldiers setup their kit, the same kit i have to wear.
@@TheGruntPerspectiveyeah but don’t individual unit SOPs dictate what kit you can carry, how you can carry it, etc? I thought despite the dedicated grenade pouches, this seemed more like a civilian style setup. I’m not in the military, so just genuinely curious. They’ll let you run this belt with your PC?
@MochiMoose the MC is becoming much more lenient on wearing your own gear. Each command will have requirements for what you MUST have, but good Commanders will let their Marines setup their kit to work for them.
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I'll tell you what, man, this shit is great. I served in Afghanistan back in 2013 as an airborne infantryman. I don't even know the concept of conventional warfare. I was so used to resuplies. Watching your stuff and old Macv-sog videos trying to piece together something.
I’m glad I could help man! Thanks for watching!
yep got our bayonets taken away for poking and throwing them at trees
Fun suckers
I spent twenty-three years in the Infantry, six of which were in LRSD. I was in the first gulf war with the 2-502(101st) and we saw no combat, but I gained experience in other ways. I spent a year in Afghanistan 05-06. I was in four separate shooting engagements and patrolled almost every single day or night. Rolling all of that experience up together I'd have to say that the environment will completely change your kit/loadout. Big differences between summer/winter, hot/cold. Elevations, because 6500'-8500' ASL will be a massive shock to your system. When I was in the first gulf war; First of all, its fucking miserable AF there. Second issue, we were way overloaded to the point of combat ineffective. You can't fight that way and IMO; fighting in the desert requires having motorized assets. In the LRSD we didn't have body armor and thus our LBE's were on the heavier side, but you could still move quickly because of the lack of armor. Our rucks were somewhat on the heavy end, but we were always prepared to drop them in order to break contact. We really relied heavily on our LBE's and set them up accordingly. In Afghanistan my kit from day one to day 365 were nothing alike. I dropped so much weight, so much weight. 6500' ASL sucks even if you're a marathon runner. Similar to the desert, you really can't fight heavy in the mountains. I did wear a plate carrier my entire year there and probably would again but you basically have to drop any excess weight and tailor each day to that day's mission. I was issued a side arm but anytime I dismounted I left it in my truck. I got into the habit of going light on mags on my plate carrier but keeping a bandoleer of mags on my patrol pack. For one thing it relieves weight on your chest and makes breathing easier, and if we were in a heavy fight I could drop my pack and grab the bandoleer. Frags are nice, especially at night but I really prefer smoke grenades for daytime ops. While in the LRSD I was a big fan of a smoke/CS combo for breaking contact. Sometimes you have to decide what is most mission critical even when it comes to ordinance. After I retired, I worked static security on CIA compounds in Astan for three years. Most of the time I'd only ever have four rifle mags and my side arm. We had hardened positions with plenty of prepo'd ammo. So being able to move fast was far more critical. So, the moral of the story is, there is no rig set up for all occasions. There are all good ideas for those looking for good ideas. Nobody should believe their solutions are better because they fought in Fallujah and never fired a shot again or because they win the local airsoft tournament every year. There is probably a set up that worked best in Fallujah and after a few days I'm sure most guys figured it out. All I can say is don't get emotionally attached to your kit and make sure you're testing it in the field. How my kit would be set up if I were fighting conventionally versus unconventionally is not the same. At the end of the day your kit must take into consideration comfort. Take cops for instance who spend the majority of their day in vehicles. Most of them have their belts built out with that in mind. If I were back in the light infantry again, I'd probably be running a split front rig over my armor and likely wouldn't have much on my belt other than my leatherman and maybe a fighting knife. That's because we never had motorized assets before I fought in Afghanistan. We walked, and walked, and walked and walked all the fucking time. So, my kit was set up with that in mind.
Very well said, thanks for watching!
Thank you for your service
I would agree. This makes a lot more sense for infantrymen. You're other set up would seem more practical for a civilian, because we would be more likely geared toward survival and escape rather than jumping in a fight.
Thanks for watching!
Love your set up.
I'm late to the comments FWIW.
I was '94 to 2015 USMC and did business pre and post GWOT.
Whats funny is that in the 90's we basically followed and used gear that the guys were using in Vietman, it was old and needed modern materials, but it worked.
Then we shit canned everything for GWOT.
Now everyone is setting up like we did in the 70's/90's. Butt-packs, H or Y harness, mag pouches on the belt.
I love seeing young Devil Dogs following the old school principles. Good stuff!
Thanks for watching!
Not a bad supplement. I wish there were more options for low profile webbing suspenders to wear a full belt kit under your armor, like you see the brits do.
There’s not a lot out there, these ones, blue force gear socC suspenders, and I’ve also worn the mayflower jungle kit harness under a plate carrier. Very comfortable and a very solid harness
Great video, things sure have changed in the last 20 years.
Thanks for watching!
Love the setup boss. Just some little things I’ve done for my belt kit/TAPs that you could experiment with:
I use the same GP pouch for my NODs; I like to keep an extra battery for my PVS and my headlamp (and usually a few extra AA/AAAs and 123s for the bros) in that front zip pouch on the GP just in a little ziplock bag. A lot quicker to access than a a hard case, plus it helps me stay organized knowing that my NVG batteries are the same place as the actual NVGs. Haven’t had any issues yet with them getting damaged/leaking from getting in the prone or anything like that even though they stick out just a bit.
If those straps don’t end up working out for you, I’ve found the BlueForceGear SOC-C suspenders to work really well. They’ve got a loop of super thick shock cord built into where the front and back straps meet and pretty much do the same deal as your shock loops. Don’t have any issues with the belt riding up when I bend over and I don’t even run an inner belt.
Thanks for watching!
First of all I’m a civilian and I love your videos and your input. Even though realisty I’ll never have to use this knowledge. But I think it’s interesting none the less.
However “I had a baoynet laying around and I thought to myself self that be pretty f***ing cool.” I felt that 😂 keep up the videos
@@BooGieMan113 sometimes things are just cool as hell and that’s okay
Well even if you may never have to (and i REALLY hope we dont depending on the craziness of the politcal landscape these days...) but its still good to learn just in case and good to teach your kids and others just in case something happens during their lifetime
Such great quality videos! Webbing for the British army we use in a slightly different way. But it’s still great to learn and understand how others employ there kit.
Thanks for watching!
Idk why I watch your vids despite being a CIF warrior but this seems like a decent compromise between belt kit and a gun belt. I run two double mag pouches on the left, dump pouch in back, and an IFAK on my right hip with a TQ on the farthest right MOLLE column. I keep the front of my PC slick with another double mag pouch on the front of the left cummerbund, a TQ on the front right, and a grenade pouch behind each. I have a hydration bladder on the back.
If I were issued a single stack mag pouch I'd use that on the front but this setup works fine and I don't need to use it much.
I played around with putting a GP pouch on it and what I found is that putting the IFAK at the back of my belt, putting the dump pouch on the rear of my cummerbund, and putting the issued assault pack MOLLE pouch on my right hip worked best. It has a little loop you can tie down your NVG to and it can fit the issued IFAK in a plastic bag and NVG together.
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Sic azz battle belt man. I love how you're reading the writing on the wall regarding war fighting in the future. Your integration of survival items is above and beyond, and you're ready to kick the enemy's dck in the dirt. Like Jocko says, you're playing the long game. Get some, brother.😎🇺🇸💪🏽🤘🏽
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Good thinking. Change from GWOT thinking to conventional. I would suggest an entrenching tool on the rig. Look at the glock which is very light. It also has a saw. If you have USGI then possibly also a small hand saw, like a Bahco laplander. Sandbags
I have all of those things haha. I usually store my entrenching tool in my pack, but I never train without it
Thanks for the knowledge transfer brother some of us only have this to help us on our journey
Thanks for watching! Glad I could help
Do you wear the harness underneath or over the plate carrier? How do you sit in a vehicle with the buttpack? Would it be possible to move all the survival stuff into uniform cargo pockets?
Yeah I wear it under my plate carrier
I don’t sit in Vic’s very often, but it’s no problem with troop transport style bench seats
And yes it would be possible to put it all in pockets but I don’t really want to do that
Really like the passion you display for your craft. Especially liked the segment about IFAKs! Would you be able to bring in an experienced Corpsman you trust as a guest speaker? It would be awesome to see how others make the medbag more efficiently applied onto our rucks/kits alongside all the other gear.
Snugpak makes a field tarp that can double as a bivvy, and it’s packs super small. Good for the buttpack.
I’m gonna check that out
@@TheGruntPerspective It's the G2. Great company. I have a lot of their stuff.
@@TheGruntPerspectivecheck out the begadi frontier one poncho liner as well, similar to the swagman or the hill people gear serape, but a bit lighter and cheaper (than serape). While lighter weight it has slightly more insulation, the trade off being the shell thickness. Also neat feature of underside being orange for signaling
Same here brother. I keep looking at what is happening in Ukraine and seeing what a peer on near pear war can look like. How many mags to carry, are IR patches vital or something that will get you killed because the bad guys have the same optics. Should I have an thermo defeating camo netting on my person, in my ruck excet. Me and another old timer in my division have been talking and we both came to the conclusion separately it is important to have a plate carrier kit and an H harness kit that can be worn together or separately as needed.
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Thanks for the content talking crotch man,lol. Seriously though i really dig your channel, keep it up man. Big thanks
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If you need a new belt, the Ops padded belt from 0241 tactical is actually pretty dang good
Thanks!
Ooooh Arctic Technical Gear. Very nice
Very nice
Where water? Gurwhich over at modern tactical shooting had a good breakdown of belt + plates and cited britts + ukraine for references. Been eyeballing the attackpak ilcs system to pair with plates for a while and may just go for it. Love the concept but prefer other pack designs and its a lot of cash for so few reviews to reference.
My water is on my plate carrier, thanks for watching!
You can always toss a couple bottles of water in your dump pouch if the trucks are sitting nearby
Your videos are really good and super informative. Coming from a civilian I like the knowledge you’re passing along. A question I’ve been debating though for my uses of just preparedness in general, possible patrolling as a civilian just in case. I have a platatac peacekeeper mk5 and an eagle lbe and I feel like they can accomplish the same things in like a 24h time period. What are your thoughts on those two if you don’t mind me asking?
I haven’t owned either but I’ve heard good things about both.
I really wish there was more companies making butt packs like that
It's a piece of kit that has kept coming back since the 50s, no idea why it keeps falling out, other than people over complicating the design. Just a simple bucket design with that drawstring closure just like that with modern hardware and a modern molle attachment system would be perfect.
I tried the Rothco one but that one feels like a gust of wind might tear it apart, the flap doesn't quite close, and it has Alice clips on the back
Velocity systems
It’s pretty sweet for sure
Foxtrot mk2
@@9877joseph I've seen that one, but I don't like that it's all just attached to a premade rig, rather than being able to add it to an existing harness
By the way, what NVG insert is that? Been using the one spiritus makes for the GP but honestly been disappointed in it. Not much padding, doesn’t give coverage all the way around the front/back/sides of the pouch, and the Velcro backing on it is already starting to peel after only a few months.
It’s a Spritus small GP, with a TAG insert
Another great video, keep em coming!
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The USGI M9 Bayonet is a modified K-Bar... no reason to use any other battle knife. Good presentation and setup.
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@@TheGruntPerspective Thank You for presenting the FACTS that our next War won't be a cake walk and addressing the issues we have ignored over the past 20 years... I've been 22 years and counting working Air Force Intelligence...we need to address how to Fight a Peer advisory!!!
100%, right now we have the luxury of watching modern warfare on our cellphones. Were absolute fools if we’re not ready to face those threats
that ifak insert is pretty slick looking ewen tough it has alot of stuff it doesnt look that big
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Nice work here. 🇺🇸🏴☠️
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My opinion, subject to change.
Sunscreen for my fair complexion.
The butt pack is indispensable.
Same with a canteen.
I carry a poncho and thick tough space blanket in the butt pack. The ground tarp as a roof is a smart move.
The bayonet is essential Marine regalia, only the uninitiated and SOF/ SOF wannabe copycat types disagree. Maybe if they pack another mag instead, then I’ll sway. The same argument is given for not carrying a fixed blade.
A large pitch stick/fat wood lives in my butt pack and has done so since I was taught to do so by a ‘69 Army Airborne Nam vet.
A bug hat/ net and bug dope.
Significant emphasis on cut/wound cleaning. I got Celulitus and MRSA. Avoid it. Not to mention Sepsis to death would be the ultimate suck.
All very good points, thanks for watching
Two questions, why not run something similar to the issued style belt and would it be possible to get some videos on how to best use/setup the issued gear in a similar way? Love what you're doing and keep the knowledge transfer going.
I like the Velcro inner outer belts for the security, as fas as making videos on issued gear setups, possible in the future. For now I’d check out venture surplus, he’s got lots of videos on making issued gear not suck
Could your grenade pouches fit on the sides of your first aid kit? If so maybe you could add a couple double mag pouches or canteen.
Also could you maybe move the bayonet to the underside of you buttpack/ifak? Is there a good way to secure it? If so even more real estate opened. I would take the admin pouches and run them on my armor since they are lighter but I understand wanting them as first line. I wore an iba with Alice gear over it. I humped mountains in kosovo with it and drove through the desert with it. If you geothermal grenade pouches over and add mag pouches you can add more grenade pouches to you mag pouches. Freedom Yeets for everybody.
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Just to clarify, this kit is different from your "belt kit" one, correct? As in this kit is intended to always go with a plate carrier, whereas the belt kit *can* go with a PC, but not necessarily intended to?
Correct, this is meant to be used with my “fully setup” plate carrier.
@@TheGruntPerspective makes sense, thanks! Keep up the work, you seriously make some of the most thought out gear content.
Thoughts on a battleaxe on the belt over bayonets/combat knives. Drip or Drown?
I think it’s more of a cool thing then a functional thing. Everyone says “I can use it for breaching stuff” but there’s a lot of way better specialized tools out there for that
They could come in handy when making entrenchments. I would try to keep at least per fireteam or a small saw.
"Battleaxes" are super cringe and a poser thing to be wearing. Although there's definitely value in having a hatchet or a carpenter's axe for fieldcraft purposes, but you would only be wearing that on your belt when you're actively using it to build field fortifications etc. Just having a tomahawk tangle off your belt is cringe.
@@sights2 I’d agree
that is some played out navy seal shit cmon
Hey where did you get the butt pack from?
Arctic technical gear
What rifle cleaning kit pouch is that?
perhaps a silly question but how sharp is your bayonet, can you shave with it ?
have you considered caring a 9mm box cutter something like let's say the Olfa SVR-2
having a small and extremely sharp blade Thet you can just snap of when it gets dull is surprisingly useful
My bayonet is sharp I can assure you. But I usually carry a pocket knife as well
Hey man, what was the name of your ultralight tent footprint?
I do not know. I know it’s made by big Agnes though
W for spare socks in IFAK haha
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hey my brotha, i will support you no matter what , def. wanna talk more n i am tracking down a upgrade to my main e.d.c. leatherman here , if you can help any , let me know , thanks n talk soon > tom !
The leatherman wave has never let me down, if you want to hit me up on Instagram feel free!
Have been working on setting up a belt kit and your videos have been very helpful, I was looking to piece something together similar to your first video but also with an ear towards being able to use with with a chest rig, plate carrier and/or assault pack/ruck as needed. I am curious as to what other problems you encountered using the larger style belt kit along with your plate carrier, was it simply too much weight/gear? Or were there fitment/compatability issues? How did the velocity harness work out under the PC?
My basic idea was to still have a chest rig/plate carrier either decked out or micro style/slick to have some quick access magazines and say water bladder, then use the belt kit to resupply water/ammo from. Essentially blend the gap of carrying less essential sustainment gear on the belt where the load is better distributed but slower to access, while still maintaining the benefits of ready access to fighting equipment on the chest.. this updated kit seems like a nice compromise there. Just a humble civilian though, I know our equipment needs differ but I appreciate a true “grunt perspective”!
I honestly didn’t have any problems with the big belt kit. I basically wanted the space to carry some of that emergency stuff in all of my kits though. And I really liked the way my plate carrier had been set up for years now, and wasn’t really ready to go full belt kit all the time . So I made this belt to pair with my set up plate carrier to allow me to carry some of that emergency stuff.
The jungle harness works great under a plate carrier
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I'd be interested to know if there is a real scenario where you would use a bayonet attached to the rifle. I'm in the Argentinian army, and sadly our last combat experience was in the 90s, which didn't see bayonet use AFAIK.
There absolutely is, the marine corps still trains with them
Defending fighting positions is a big one
nobody carried a bayonet on overseas tours. it just wasnt in style then and if you did youd look like a rambo wannabe tool. it barely makes sense on a 14.5" M4. 18" M27 ok i could see that. well i regret not carrying one. if i had, id cut my steaks with my 'combat knife' and have a good excuse for telling war stories at cookouts.
Kewl vidja
What are the seasonal/timeline intentions for this plus your plate carrier?
Well I guess it would be fair weather
It strikes me that your buttpack is nearly identical in size to the old LBT Mini Buttpack. It’s old enough I don’t think they even made a PALS version, only ALICE.
I looked around for a mini buttpack for a while, people are trying to sell them for 500+
@@TheGruntPerspective gear collectors are weird.
@@TheGruntPerspective oof i can get materials and a sewing machine for less
Do you have a link to that battery case? Ican't find one like that
I'm curious about the choice of color for all your gear.
Coyote Brown? It’s not a choice, I have to use it because I’m still active
@TheGruntPerspective
That was going to be my next question, still active or buying for personal use.
@@etubcsegg I use as much multicam as I can get away with basically
Okay, I'll bite. what the hell is a "Jicsa" or "Jitsa" or whatever you're calling it?
“JSTA” pouch
did you spray paint that camo netting in the background?
Yes, many moons ago
@@TheGruntPerspective apparently these things lose their IR/night vison capabilities when you spray paint them,is that true? btw, i would really like if you could do a video on shelter camuflage
Idk if I've asked u but what is your opinion on soft armor? Shrapnel is a real danger from getting shelled imo and I like it but don't see it alot. Ive seen grunts back in early gwat wearing some kind of low profile white armor underneath their issued pc but not recently.
Because it comes built into the carriers now. GWOT old stuff Is outdated
Think that was the second chance vests. The rank in file get standard issue stuff that has soft armor in it already, you just add plates.
Soft armor is good to go
Looks like Israel. Just curious, what brand is the headlamp?
Princeton Tec
What buttpack did you use?
Arctic technical gear custom
so if one becomes infantryman you get arms like that?
Standard American infantry man is 230 lbs of stolid muscle
@@TheGruntPerspectiveand then everyone else is trans lmao
Have you picked up a quore Ice Plate? Seems like the best way to carry water on the torso, though its only 1 quart
it's 1.5
Pros:
- Very low chance of bursting
- Convenient
- Can be frozen
- Doesn't take up useful space
Cons:
- Very heavy, probably one of the heaviest ways to carry water. They weigh ~340 grams which is roughly the weight of two 1L Nalgenes and Nalgenes are already one of the heaviest water containers. A 1L Platatac canteen is ~50 grams or 4.5 TIMES lighter per volume of liquid.
- Greatly increases vest thickness and pushes your center of gravity backwards; can make wearing a ruck very uncomfortable.
- Not viable unless you're wearing body armor
- Difficult to refill, even with backflow adapters
- Low capacity, requires a secondary container
Overall I see them more as a luxury item for short duration missions. For classic infantry stuff they're suboptimal.
Could not agree more
I have those, use them when doing yardwork and range trips in the summer. those things are best suited for civvys, policemen, security guards or construction workers in very hot climates. And also base MPs could use these if doing static security. They're definately not for standard issue or taking out to the field.... unless your intent is to 'fakeout' wearing plates for a ruck march hehehe
@@pootytang2872 maybe good for vehicle crews?
How'd you get that burn lol?
What burn?
@@TheGruntPerspective Looked like you have a burn or scar on your right hand
Will Arctic Technical Gear be offering the buttpack or was it a one of
It was a one off, but he can duplicate it if you message him on Instagram
why not make it a regular item and you link it in your video description? how much does it weigh? @@TheGruntPerspective
Ever notice the rice patty rangers or the Muslim militias wearing soccer clothes just carry an AK and an extra magazine. That's it.
What?? No toilet paper?
Just wait till they get ahold of micro rigs
They carry toilet paper. If they have a left hand, they have all the toilet paper they could want. Always shake hands with the right hand.
Имею кое что сказать. По мне это не боевой пояс. Возможно пояс охотника или туриста.
amerykanie takie mają bo mają w zamyśle szybkie działanie
Militia "minuteman" (if you arent familiar with that term look it up from the American Revolution) type belt kit for gear that we can just throw on and fight and evade
Said it about your plate carrier as well. Waaaaay too much stuff. Most of that belongs in your 72 hour pack. You don’t need any of the survival gear. If you get separated from your unit, and the whole battalion spends their weekend looking for you, and they find you fishing by a creek that’s blanket party time. Leave that stuff at home.
Fighting load - ammo, water, power bars, medical.
Can’t imagine hiding an IFAK in your butt pack. Your unit MUST have an SOP so your buddies know where to find your gear. You also don’t need any more than they issue to treat one wound. Your Corpsman has more gear, and one wound and you’ll be Casevac’ed. We got a LOT of experience during the GWOT and you’ll be at a hospital during the “golden hour” no matter what.
You’ve learned that they’ll give you extra gear to carry, not just frags and signals but mortar rounds and rockets. You need a place for that stuff and you can’t be overloaded with gear to begin with.
Unless the Corps has changed a lot, no Plt Sgt is ever going to let you take all that to the field.
As I mentioned in your other vid, been a Marine for over 40 years and carried a lot of gear in a few different systems both in training and in combat.
You might want to read “A soldiers Load and the Mobility of a Nation” by SLA Marshall. It must still be on the commandant’s reading list.
See the response I left to your comment on the plate carrier video man
Having a survival kit isn't foolish at all, and if someone gets broken so far off from his unit that he has to use one, no one is going to fault him for it. In a near peer war, you're going to see units break contact from IDF, and people are going to naturally get separated.
In regards to the golden hour, we have only been afforded that opportunity due to how permissive our environments have been. It should not be relied upon when facing a near peer threat.
I do agree that he is carrying far too much though. One IFAK is enough, especially when everyone has one. And if doc does go down, you can crossroad his supplies or designate a new member
He could also lesson up on the amount of batteries he's carrying on his belt.
@@Douglas-jn7bj If we're doing near peer/ conventional warfare casualties taken will be quite high. A whole battalion wiped out like nothing and the medic has to go without resupply. It won't be one or two dudes with a rusty ak, it'll be an equal sized element. Lots of trench warfare. Lots of sitting around and a high need for self sustainment. Some wound cavities could require 4 gauzes to fill in all the space, assuming it is packed properly the first time it is done. You shouldn't rely on a medic to carry anything that you can't treat yourself by reading a bottle or doing a quick google search.
@floridaman8136 We could go through a million what ifs and carry 400 lbs of gear per a SM tp check all our boxes. At some point we have to realize that more weight= less speed= more time on the X= more people getting shot( and a whole lot more problems)
You have a preponderance of medical personnel in HHC, you have 4 docs per company carrying a boat load of supplies. Then you have aid and litter teams carrying CLS bags organic to every fireteam and squad. I don't see why anyone should be carrying two IFAKS on their 1st line. If you want to spread load extra gauze or IFAK's across a company that will specifically go in rucksacks or at most assault packs then that makes sense.
@@Douglas-jn7bj I see your point. At the same time if extra medical equipment can go in an assault pack, but this guy doesn't have an assault pack (instead he has all his equipment on his person) whats the dif. I just don't think an extra IFAK as a squad/team leader is the end of the world. Plus it's not even a full IFAK and as I was saying, a GSW likely would take more than two gauze to fill. Doc can treat 2 CAS out of his aid bag, Including that person's IFAK. CLS bag is another 2. Having some extra gauze and an extra wrap could help a lot and is not very much weight.
What you gonna do when you need to jump in the car or sit down on something that you got a put your back flat you’re gonna have that big lump in your waist. Remove anything if you move a fashionable car in this slam in the break you’re gonna get hurt that’s why they swim down the Bill and Carrie what you get me an eight hour Perry or 24 hour period is medic in the way to fight out in a little of food and water
You gave me a stroke trying to read that
@@TheGruntPerspective lmfao 😂😂😂😂😂 this made my morning
I doubt body armor is going to be a thing for whatever you have in mind. Mechanized infantry does that. Moving massive distances on foot without any vehicles to help out is what youl be doing. You aren’t part of a professional military so body armor is just extra weight
I am in the marine corps
@@TheGruntPerspective I thought you were describing a SHTF or WROL situation.
The Grunt Perspective does this for a living. He IS professional military. This is not just "I'm mil, but in the event of SHTF I have this other gear...." This guy is legit, strait up, showing what he uses in professional, active, Mil. Which it's impressive to me that he has the equipment flexibility he shows in his vids.
And for SHTF, saying "you won't wear armor unless you are professional mil" is wrong. It is all context dependent and equipment dependent.
I can elaborate if needed.
@@woodsghost9088 I never claimed he wasn’t legit. As I already stated, I thought this video was in regards to a civilian SHTF situation. Which is isn’t.
Don’t know why you’re wearing body armor in a situation where hospitals and other infrastructure don’t exist. You have way more important things to worry about and the vast majority of “preppers” are physically incapable of wearing body armor long term
@@Rokaize I'll agree the majority of Americans are not in physical shape to be running around the woods in body armor.
As for "what would you be doing in a SHTF scenario?" An easy answer is "standing guard." Another easy answer is "rolling around in a truck or sitting around a team area as a QRF."
If there are no working hospitals, it's really nice to keep bullets out of the body. Sure, armor only protects ...15%(?) of the body? But it's really cool when a bullet fails to penetrate that protected part.
Anyway, different thoughts out there. Lots of dudes are alive today because they wore armor. Some are dead today despite wearing armor. Just the way the dice roll.
So no one watching your video for tips is IN THE MILITARY, so they will not have access to grenades. They are NFA items. Why are you wasting 1/4 of your precious belt space for something you will never use? Better to put a mag pouch and a dump pouch there, me thinks. SF.
Because I’m in the military? You goofball
Also, a very large majority of my audience are guys in the military.
I'd say majority of TGP's viewers ARE people in the military, because he posts vid's like this: Gear worn BY soldiers, FOR soldiers.
I don't give a rats crap about a civvies range belt and slick low-profile PC, i want to see how fellow soldiers setup their kit, the same kit i have to wear.
@@TheGruntPerspectiveyeah but don’t individual unit SOPs dictate what kit you can carry, how you can carry it, etc? I thought despite the dedicated grenade pouches, this seemed more like a civilian style setup. I’m not in the military, so just genuinely curious. They’ll let you run this belt with your PC?
@MochiMoose the MC is becoming much more lenient on wearing your own gear. Each command will have requirements for what you MUST have, but good Commanders will let their Marines setup their kit to work for them.
You need some burn dressings
I’ve got a few, my corpsman basically told me they are useless and just carry some more gauze and a cravat. Not my words but yeah