Thank you so much for this excellent video! I notice you didn't disable the rate of the timbre LFO. I tried disabling it and I think I got the problem you were talking about. So should it be disabled?
Yes, it should be disabled. I didn't notice that mistake and it messed me up for days after, didn't realize it was actually in the video. I wonder if I can add an annotation. If it's enabled, it will act like an envelope and your timbre will stay at maximum once it reaches the end of its cycle, regardless of what your fingers are doing. So this isn't the problem I was talking about, but it would not surprise me if they're related somehow. Thanks for noticing!
I think this is the answer. Phase set to 0 with 95% modulation from the timbre curve is always wrong, but if rate is enabled it will basically override the midi input and hide the problem. So no problem, except your Y-axis control won't do anything. However if you set phase = 50% and modulation = 45%, and disable the rate, everything works properly. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction! I will take a minute to explain it in the next video.
This is the first synth tutorial I could follow without problems and without getting lost somewhere in between. Works flawlessly with other MPE controllers, I used the lovely Striso controller.
I ran into the problem with the timbre curve. The problem was that my linnstrument was set for relative. The fix: make the slope bipolar, set initial value to 50%. Worked like a champ. Also, for me, I had to set the % effect of pressure on the phase to 50%. Anything over that, and I'd get weird dropoffs. But 50% worked great for pressure from quiet to loud.
Yeah, i think we got it figured it out and it's explained in the next video. The trick is in this one, i forgot to disable the "rate" on that curve, which treated the whole thing like an envelope and obscured the fact that I was set up wrong. Your solution for the timbre curve is correct. I haven't run across any problems with the pressure curve; I'll keep an eye out for them. Thanks for the help!
It's mostly just a lot of years spent making my own sounds on a number of different synthesizers. The Nord Lead 2 had a really good manual that helped me get started. But once you learn a few basics you can start experimenting and it gets really fun and you'll be learning on your own. There are lots of great synth teachers on youtube as well.
It could be. In your per-split settings, make sure LOUDNESS/Z is set to chan pressure. Alternatively, press and hold the ChPerNote under midi mode to reset LinnStrument to all the default MPE settings.
@@catoninetails789 Most often it's mapped to a macro that controls a lot of things. Gain on distortion, reverb or other FX levels, sometimes just the overall volume of the synth. I haven't used it a lot in Surge, but talking about it now it occurs to me that would be a good idea because of the curves discussed in this video. A good response curve is really vital with an expression pedal (at, least, with MY expression pedal) and I usually have to go to some trouble to get one to work. Surge would make that a lot easier. For sustain pedal functions, there's usually some way I can achieve those without the pedal. If I need a switch, there are two of them on LinnStrument's panel. If I need sustain, I can map release velocity to increase the envelope release. So I've never really felt like I needed it, although of course, any extra input will give you more options.
I was going to say "there's no wrong way..." but then i remembered the part where I said "then I'll show you the right way." I stand by it. Maybe if I'd started doing it earlier my fingers wouldn't hurt all the time :)
Thank you so much for this excellent video!
I notice you didn't disable the rate of the timbre LFO. I tried disabling it and I think I got the problem you were talking about. So should it be disabled?
Yes, it should be disabled. I didn't notice that mistake and it messed me up for days after, didn't realize it was actually in the video. I wonder if I can add an annotation. If it's enabled, it will act like an envelope and your timbre will stay at maximum once it reaches the end of its cycle, regardless of what your fingers are doing. So this isn't the problem I was talking about, but it would not surprise me if they're related somehow. Thanks for noticing!
I think this is the answer. Phase set to 0 with 95% modulation from the timbre curve is always wrong, but if rate is enabled it will basically override the midi input and hide the problem. So no problem, except your Y-axis control won't do anything. However if you set phase = 50% and modulation = 45%, and disable the rate, everything works properly. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction! I will take a minute to explain it in the next video.
@@thoughtFormMax Glad I could help!
Thanks Max - Excellent tutorial. Looking forward episode 2 👍
Thank you! I'm excited about episode 2.
This is the first synth tutorial I could follow without problems and without getting lost somewhere in between. Works flawlessly with other MPE controllers, I used the lovely Striso controller.
Thank you, this makes very happy to hear :) I have not heard of the Striso, I will look it up.
Ditto
I ran into the problem with the timbre curve. The problem was that my linnstrument was set for relative. The fix: make the slope bipolar, set initial value to 50%. Worked like a champ.
Also, for me, I had to set the % effect of pressure on the phase to 50%. Anything over that, and I'd get weird dropoffs. But 50% worked great for pressure from quiet to loud.
Yeah, i think we got it figured it out and it's explained in the next video. The trick is in this one, i forgot to disable the "rate" on that curve, which treated the whole thing like an envelope and obscured the fact that I was set up wrong. Your solution for the timbre curve is correct.
I haven't run across any problems with the pressure curve; I'll keep an eye out for them.
Thanks for the help!
To delete all but one segment when you're editing the response curves, you can right click and choose Create > Minimal MSEG.
Thank you!
merci beaucoup
OMG. This is fantastic. Sound design in Surge alway seemed so overwhelming. How did you learn how to do this? Thank you! Thank you!
It's mostly just a lot of years spent making my own sounds on a number of different synthesizers. The Nord Lead 2 had a really good manual that helped me get started. But once you learn a few basics you can start experimenting and it gets really fun and you'll be learning on your own. There are lots of great synth teachers on youtube as well.
I get no sound as soon as I turn on MPE Pressure. Can it be a specific setting on my Linnstrument?
It could be. In your per-split settings, make sure LOUDNESS/Z is set to chan pressure. Alternatively, press and hold the ChPerNote under midi mode to reset LinnStrument to all the default MPE settings.
Do you use a sustain pedal when playing Linnstrument?
Not very often. I do use an expression pedal a lot.
@@thoughtFormMax What does it do?
@@catoninetails789 Most often it's mapped to a macro that controls a lot of things. Gain on distortion, reverb or other FX levels, sometimes just the overall volume of the synth. I haven't used it a lot in Surge, but talking about it now it occurs to me that would be a good idea because of the curves discussed in this video. A good response curve is really vital with an expression pedal (at, least, with MY expression pedal) and I usually have to go to some trouble to get one to work. Surge would make that a lot easier.
For sustain pedal functions, there's usually some way I can achieve those without the pedal. If I need a switch, there are two of them on LinnStrument's panel. If I need sustain, I can map release velocity to increase the envelope release. So I've never really felt like I needed it, although of course, any extra input will give you more options.
I've been doing it wrong this whole time)))
I was going to say "there's no wrong way..." but then i remembered the part where I said "then I'll show you the right way." I stand by it. Maybe if I'd started doing it earlier my fingers wouldn't hurt all the time :)
@@thoughtFormMax totally! I should learn how to use this approach in Bitwig in general