Check out the newest version of the Arrma Voltage here: bit.ly/3H2POiC It's very interesting to see this style of battery introduced into the RC world! The bug question is, How will it stack up to our standard that we all know and love today, the LiPo?! These Li-Ion batteries are actually very common in the electronic device world, and are known as 18650 batteries, commonly found in things like flash lights, e-smokes, and more! We are just waiting to see if this catches on, where it could possibly bring the hobby :) Check out the newest version of the Arrma Voltage here: bit.ly/3H2POiC Lipo Battery Upgrade: bit.ly/3uZc4HX Cheap Lipo Charger Upgrade: bit.ly/3p0ZV1g Awesome Lipo Charger Upgrade: bit.ly/3BsM7BU Have we ever saved you money or helped you pick out your favorite RC? Consider saying thanks by supporting us with one of these awesome options below! ------------------------------------------ Support TheRcSaylors on Patreon Here - www.patreon.com/TheRcSaylors Check out our Vlog Channel! - ruclips.net/user/TheSaylorsYTchannel Buy a Sweet RC Saylors Shirt Here - thercsaylorsyt.com/shirts/ Subscribe for more RC fun! - ruclips.net/user/TheRcSaylors Like us on facebook - facebook.com/thercsaylors/ Follow us on Instagram - instagram.com/thercsaylors/ Want to send something to TheRcSaylors and see it on the channel? Send it to P.O. Box 361 Ashland, KY 41105
great video showing the difference. i just want to elaborate that the perceived increase of speed while the actual speed doesn't increase much is due to the higher C rating of the lipo batteries. The Lipo is able to provide more amps to the motor during acceleration and the Lithium-ion cells while drawing high amps experience voltage sag reducing acceleration. When the truck gets to full speed the current draw is reduced making the speed very similar. If you used 4 or 6 of the Lithium ion cells you would notice a performance similar to the lipo due to the 18650 lithium ion cells being able to provide 2 or 3 times the current of just 2 cells alone
So one of the things I think you should mention is the C rating of the batteries. I am not positive but I believe despite battery chemistry the amount of power available for the ESC could be affected. For example if the lion batteries had a 10C rating and held 1500mah it could put out 30amps but if the lipo pack you used is 20C and 3000mah it would put out 60amps. Which would lead me to believe that if you are using a 45amp ESC the lion would not allow it to run at full capacity while the lipo could provide all the draw the ESC could pull. This was how lipos and C rating were explained to me when I switch my planes over to lipo. I could be completely wrong about the ESC draw but the amp output by C rating math is accurate. Battery capacity time C rating gives amp output. I love your videos keep up the good work guys! ... and Popeye too.
That was awesome video! Technical: It's the higher C-rating (current output) capacity of the (huge) LiPo vs the (tiny) Li-Ion 18650s. The motor can draw more amperage from the larger battery, and thus produces more power - and more speed. You'd get better performance out of slamming more Li-Ion cells into it as well, to raise that C-rating. Alternatively/additionally, getting high-C cells will give you more performance as well.
@@angelamerkel6230 volts stay the same, it's the amp hour that increases running more of these Li-ion cells in parallel.. "run time goes up" not volts...
The reason it's important to change the Li-Ion / LiPo jumper is it enables the Voltage Cutoff for the LiPo batteries. If you left it on the Li-Ion jumper and used a LiPo battery it could discharge the battery so far down that it wouldn't take a charge again.
You should try to upgrade it with a brushless motor and after that you can try to drive the car with the small li:ion battery’s and se what’s the difference
Wish the car allowed the 18650 Li-ion could be wired in series and parallel so it could have a much higher c rating. Six of those would offer more power and 9000mah and still only be $6 or less
Awesome! This is exactly the video I wanted to make if I got one of these. But its -20C and super snowy in Ottawa. Great Job! It looks way peppier on LiPo and more fun for sure.
So you have to fill up the ENTIRE battery bay + more for a 2s Lipo, and it's barely faster than 2 LiOn's?!? What if you put in a 3rd LiOn, or a 4th, or 5th?!! (Which is still smaller than a 2s Lipo). That Lipo is probably 11.1volts whereas the 2xLiOn is 7.4volts. Buy 4 LG HG2's (the brown ones) and see how they compare. Less space, less weight, More Volts, More Amps (and you'd have room for 2 more). There's a reason TESLA uses LiOn 18650's and not Lipo's in their batteries.....Just saying.
I love your videos, you both have so much enthusiasm and fun whatever you're reviewing. I've purchased a drone that you recently reviewed, only a cheap one from that well known Chinese website but I'm really looking forward to playing with it. Merry Christmas from the UK to you both and Popeye of course.
Find the tech article on TFEP Li-Ion batteries research from Japanese scientists. Li-Ion continues advancing in energy storage and safety. Your video is old now. Remember how computer speed and memory made big advancements every 18 months? Battery tech is on the same upward curve in improvement.
I did 26 MPH with with four Li-Ion Arrma batteries. Could only get 18 to 20 on 2 batteries. I also found that using a good quality NIHM battery also gave me better tun times, vs what was advertised on the box. But didn't really change vehicle speed. The box says 25 MPH, and you can get it. It is fun to change up and add other 1/10 scale RC bodies on the truck.
It was her drifting at the end, that pushed her over the top! -:) What was the weight difference between the two small Li-Ion batteries and the Li-Po one? How would the run times compare at the same weight? Would Li-Ion give better flight times at the same weight? My Redcat Blackout XTE Pro seems to zip along a lot faster than that (stock), something over 50 kph.
20 MPH... Whoa-Kay... *sigh* Love to drop in a Sidewinder ESC & 3800kv motor and have some *real* RC fun! Thanks Saylors and as always, left click! 👍 PS Merry Christmas! 🎄
The gripe on the boards is the plastic gearing, they don't believe it will hold up to brushless. I disagree with them, yes, it's plastic, more like composite, but look at the size of the gears, reduces the torque which would wear out smaller gears.
On a new brushed motor the speed is going to creep up as you wear in. I have a Brushed Huanqi 735 1/10th buggy. Out of the box with stock L-Ion (they claim to be lipo but you can tell they are just two 18650 Li-Ion) It did 33k/h and with my 2200mAh 30c 2S lipo it did 39k/h Eventually I achieved 36k/h on stock battery and 46k/h on my lipo with that motor. Tbh it was a very good 540 brushed motor, I actually brought a 21T open bell motor for it as an upgrade upon ordering it thinking it would need it but the stock motor ended up being much faster
model nutty model nutty I most always now run my brushed motors in either out of the car connected to a speed controller or in the car up in the air free spinning the wheels of its a new RC. Like you said makes a smooth grove between the brush and commutator for better conductivity in addition also smoothly wearing in the shaft and bearings aided with a drop of oil on each side to get it use to running at high speed without overheating the bearings.. If I was running my motor no load out of the car, I run on about 1/10th throttle for 15min then step it to about 1/4th for 10 min then to 1/2 for 5min then 2/3 for about 2min then manually slowly lift to full for 10 secc then drop back slowly to about 1/4 and let it run my battery down to about 3.5v per cell. I like to run my motors in at speed with no load before I run them full speed in my car. Also I don't like water break in's I don't mine these cheap closed can motors you can buy from China so long as you know what you are looking for. They don't tell you how many turns or the KV but they do tell you the max voltage as well as the maximum rpm at the voltage as well as sometimes the rpm at other lower voltages from which you can get the KV and guess the turns. Mods to Chinese cars I have done include a WLTOYS L959 with just a 390 motor. Stock they are pretty fast for a 390 brushed motor 40k/h on 2S however I put a 28,000 rpm @8v motor (3500kv) a higher Amp ESC and ran it on 3S. I was overclocking the motor I know but I got 57k/h on a 390 brushed motor. I did eventually blow the motor and replaced it with a 35,000rpm@12v motor (3000kv) ran on 3S and went even faster, almost 59k/h tested, but seemed even faster with a few more runs. Also on a 3S with a 12v motor it was pretty much maxing it out without overclocking.
That seems plausible (being slower than on LiPo). Due to the size of the Li-Ion's they would have a much lower C-rating. That means that they had to throttle the speed/acceleration down in the esc to not torture these "round things" to their death in 1 minute! LOL. Cool Video! I don't really understand what goal Arrma is following with this concept! Are these Li-Ions self protecting? Do they shut down themselves when they get down below 3V? Nice vid as always.
As far as my knowledge goes (which isn't very far) the discharge rate of the battery (C) makes a difference in how fast your car goes. Say you have 2 3s 5000 mah batteries and one has 25C the other 75C. You should see a speed increase when going from the 25C to the 75c battery.
Please don't link random li-ion batteries on amazon. Those are of questionable quality, and a false capacity (the best 18650s at at 3400mah at best). Please do some more research and find yourself a set with the appropriate discharge ratings, and a real brand on it (panasonic, samsung, lg)
higher capacity means less voltage sag at full power (assuming equal C rating, which they're almost certainly not as Li-Ion have low discharge rates). apparently this more than makes up for the additional mass.
THANK YOU! Cool video! I love this comparison! I like that the car has the ability to switch between battery types which is cool. RC Cars for the win! Abby is a beast when it comes to ground vehicles! Nate handles her in the air though muahaha!
I think You kinda miss point here :) Lipo 2S 30C - bout 75A output. Li-ion 2Cells - 35-40A output (at best, heavily depends on element quality etc, usualy between 10A-20A per element). What happens with higher current is, You dont gain much speed (for that You need more voltage) but.. Acceleration and torque are things You gain a lot.. meaning car seems faster and more responsive.
@@TheRcSaylors Srry, didnt meant anything bad, just tryed to explain why it looked faster :) English aint my first language so srry bout bit strange writing. You will see difference in track times, more difficult (slowdowns/accelerations), more the difference :)
I can say from what i say that the li-ion battery has a very small capacity and poor discharge of amps in comparation with your li-po 5000 mah. I prefer to use li-ion, you can get more time of playing than a traditional li-po because of the density more higher of energy wich you found in a regular li-ion cell. Try to use a better quality 18650 cell like lg hg2. You take 4 pcs connect a pair in pararel wich another the same to make a pack of 2 cell (7.4v) wich is 6000mah ! The best part is that this li-ion cell is cheaper than a li-po and they have very similar performance for more than half of the price in your li-po cell. This video i didin't find usefull in this subject wich you had tried to explain if i didin't understood wrong, thanks !
I prefer to use 21700's over 18650's due to the simple fact you can find 21700's with much higher amp outputs. I run a 3s li-ion pack with 21700's that can output 45 amps each.
Is it possible to compare it with a ni mh battery for these old timers. It could be interesting to see how the battery technology compares in the real world.
It's very possible, though we don't really plan on doing that this time around to be honest. NiMh bats are just a thing of the past and in most cases don't hold up to LiPo batteries. There are exceptions of course, but for our current applications we really aren't very interested in them unless it's our only choice.
TheRcSaylors You definitely should. I run the XB-E buggy verision and you get a ton of car for the money. If Abby's into monster truck, this big monster truck will be a blast for her.
It's just jealous punks anyway. Probably other Stations, if that's what you call them? You Tubers refers to the folks that have channels or the ones that just watch You Tube?
do you work at ups.? if you don't mind me asking that is.. these trucks are perfect Back Yard bashers lots of fun on a tight/small track.. theses day so many people are over focused on how fast rc cars and trucks are in a big open space/strip that gets boring. 12 to 20t motors are a lot of fun on tight tracks..
It's faster with lipo because the battery can now supply the motor with all the amps it can put out. The li ion 18650 has a limited amount of amperage drag ability telling me the motor is pulling the most out of the li ion batteries that they can handle.
Thanks for the video. May I ask why the Li-Ion batteries would go only for 10mins and the LiPo for 25? Are the mAh different in both? Also, curious to know their charge and discharge rates.
I have a question I’m new to RC Trucks as I have got bored with drones, So I bought a wl toys 12429, I never even tried the battery that came with it which was an Li-on 7.4v I stuck in a 7.4 2000 mah 25c Lipo the truck ran perfect I didn’t run it long as I didn’t want to destroy the battery, and when I went to take it out the motor was so hot it burnt the **** out of my hand and this was thru the bottom chassis. The ECU and other electonics Wer cool. Is it bad to run this stock with a Lipo on The stock setup?? Plz answer
An ESC only cares about voltage and amps. LI-ION nominal voltage is 3,6 volt per cell, similar to that of LIPO cells. So I would choose LIPO. (NI-MH is 1,2 volt per cell)
Abby Rules the road😀. Would 4-6 stock batteries make a speed difference ❔.It does drift well. It's Tokyo drift without the lights, spoilers, & gear slamming, foot stomping speed.😉😉. It is a good overall car.👍 fun review, what's next for it.🤔🤔😊
I'm not sure that adding any more of those included bats would make a speed difference as they are run in Parallel, which means longer run time, not higher voltage (or speed).
Honestly, the ion batteries are better, like they are about 50% size of the battery, yet they are almost the same, if you get the battery pack full of them it will outpreform the lipo by time and speed
Li-Ions can be had CHEAP/Inexpensive. I can get 18 9800mAH Li-Ions for $16 (plus $11 S/H) or get 1 Lipo 5000mAH for $40plus (for quality ones). Li-Ions may be a Bit Slower but that's a Small Price to pay for Cheaper Batteries and People on a Budget. Want to go Faster... Add 2 more or all 6 Batteries. Running 6 9800's should give you Balls Deep Run Times and More Speed.
I am planning on getting an arrma fazon voltage for my grandson, but I have a question regarding battery compatibility. I see that it comes stock with 18650 1500mAh batteries. Can I safely run 18650 3000mAh batteries in it? Has anyone tried? What were your results?
is the reason they say go no higher then a 25 c is the fact they wont fit in lol i havea foureon 2s 30c 5200 mah lipo and it only just fits in if you take the battery tray out??
Exactly as I would have expected since everyone knows that LiPo discharge at a higher current rate. The longer run time means your LiPo is a higher capacity battery. (bigger) battery, So not a particularly useful test unless you were to use batteries of equivalent capacity ratings. Everyone should know already that a larger Lipo battery will be faster than a smaller LiIon battery
Not seeing a fair comparison here. How many Li-Ion cells can the Aarma Casette actually hold? From your own presentation, more than just two. Of course the large Li-Po stick pack will last longer. No need to spot weld 18650 cells anymore. They are being manufactured with more cells in a sturdy case.
Thanks for the great video of the speed comparison of the two types of batteries! Interesting that the lipo battery with it's added weight still beat the lighter 18650 in the speed test. I wonder if the cold temperature may have been a factor? Maybe the cold effects the lith-ion more than the li-po. Super work as always! JP
It is very possible about the temperature affecting all of this, however we are thinking it simply could have been the "C" rating of these different batteries. The LiPo may have just had a higher discharge rating than these Li-Ion bats.
Were the Li-Ion cells "right out of the box," shipped with proper storage charge? What did I say? Longevity of Li-Ion batteries requires proper charge, storage and discharge. And a Quality Charger, not a cheapo A/C wall charger.
You need to be careful buying 18650 batteries for RC vehicles, because unlike lipo which gives a C rating for how many amps it can put out you rarely get that on 18650s, so if you use some of those cheap Ultrafire batteries they could explode in the car.
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It's very interesting to see this style of battery introduced into the RC world! The bug question is, How will it stack up to our standard that we all know and love today, the LiPo?! These Li-Ion batteries are actually very common in the electronic device world, and are known as 18650 batteries, commonly found in things like flash lights, e-smokes, and more! We are just waiting to see if this catches on, where it could possibly bring the hobby :)
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great video showing the difference. i just want to elaborate that the perceived increase of speed while the actual speed doesn't increase much is due to the higher C rating of the lipo batteries. The Lipo is able to provide more amps to the motor during acceleration and the Lithium-ion cells while drawing high amps experience voltage sag reducing acceleration. When the truck gets to full speed the current draw is reduced making the speed very similar. If you used 4 or 6 of the Lithium ion cells you would notice a performance similar to the lipo due to the 18650 lithium ion cells being able to provide 2 or 3 times the current of just 2 cells alone
So one of the things I think you should mention is the C rating of the batteries. I am not positive but I believe despite battery chemistry the amount of power available for the ESC could be affected. For example if the lion batteries had a 10C rating and held 1500mah it could put out 30amps but if the lipo pack you used is 20C and 3000mah it would put out 60amps. Which would lead me to believe that if you are using a 45amp ESC the lion would not allow it to run at full capacity while the lipo could provide all the draw the ESC could pull. This was how lipos and C rating were explained to me when I switch my planes over to lipo. I could be completely wrong about the ESC draw but the amp output by C rating math is accurate. Battery capacity time C rating gives amp output.
I love your videos keep up the good work guys! ... and Popeye too.
That was awesome video!
Technical:
It's the higher C-rating (current output) capacity of the (huge) LiPo vs the (tiny) Li-Ion 18650s.
The motor can draw more amperage from the larger battery, and thus produces more power - and more speed.
You'd get better performance out of slamming more Li-Ion cells into it as well, to raise that C-rating.
Alternatively/additionally, getting high-C cells will give you more performance as well.
Joshua C. C-rating is for (charge current) it’s for how fast u can charge the lipo
You want to charge your batteries at 1x Capacity, Discharge current is equal to capacity (In Amp-Hours) multiplied by C - Rating
@Joshua C. it would be interesting to see the top speed with 6 of these Li-Ion cells in it.. that would give the truck more available amps
@@trullmann and to much volts
@@angelamerkel6230
volts stay the same, it's the amp hour that increases running more of these Li-ion cells in parallel.. "run time goes up" not volts...
I love my Arrma Nero. This is a good starter for kids. Merry Christmas guys
Redo the speed test video with both types of batteries fully charged. Love these kind of "test" videos.
Nice to see your channel growing I've been here since five thousand keep up the good work
Thank you so much Boys!
The reason it's important to change the Li-Ion / LiPo jumper is it enables the Voltage Cutoff for the LiPo batteries. If you left it on the Li-Ion jumper and used a LiPo battery it could discharge the battery so far down that it wouldn't take a charge again.
Yes, great tip Duck! Thank you :) Wish I would have thought of mentioning this during our video.
Both Lipo and ion can explode and catch fire if they go below 3.2v per cell. Ion age faster but stronger discharge Lipo hold charges better and longer
Good work a realistic test with what I would have thought was the expected outcome.
You should try to upgrade it with a brushless motor and after that you can try to drive the car with the small li:ion battery’s and se what’s the difference
A brushless version of this would be pretty awesome!
@@TheRcSaylors Why do you don't put a brushless set in it?
Li-Ion may not be able to handle the discharge rate of brushless motors.
Nice speed test guys 👍 I am shocked that it wasn't faster
I guess I was expecting to see a little more of a difference, but the voltage of each battery was the same :/
Nice run of this car. Like how you tested with the stock battery vs the LiPo. Again, good review.
Thanks a lot 2BR!
Nice truck. Thanks, and Merry Christmas.
Wish the car allowed the 18650 Li-ion could be wired in series and parallel so it could have a much higher c rating. Six of those would offer more power and 9000mah and still only be $6 or less
Awesome video Nate & Abby!!
Awesome! This is exactly the video I wanted to make if I got one of these. But its -20C and super snowy in Ottawa. Great Job! It looks way peppier on LiPo and more fun for sure.
Abbey always seems to beat you Nate with rc cars lol love your channel 😊😊👍👍👍👍
I just don't know how she does it!!!!
TheRcSaylors she has Lady Luck on her side Nate (:
So you have to fill up the ENTIRE battery bay + more for a 2s Lipo, and it's barely faster than 2 LiOn's?!? What if you put in a 3rd LiOn, or a 4th, or 5th?!! (Which is still smaller than a 2s Lipo). That Lipo is probably 11.1volts whereas the 2xLiOn is 7.4volts. Buy 4 LG HG2's (the brown ones) and see how they compare. Less space, less weight, More Volts, More Amps (and you'd have room for 2 more). There's a reason TESLA uses LiOn 18650's and not Lipo's in their batteries.....Just saying.
I love your videos, you both have so much enthusiasm and fun whatever you're reviewing. I've purchased a drone that you recently reviewed, only a cheap one from that well known Chinese website but I'm really looking forward to playing with it. Merry Christmas from the UK to you both and Popeye of course.
Thanks a lot Bruce! Hope you enjoy your drone heading your way! Merry Christmas to you and your loved ones :)
If Nate & Abby Rec the RC, you'll enjoy it!
Merry Christmas!!!
Find the tech article on TFEP Li-Ion batteries research from Japanese scientists. Li-Ion continues advancing in energy storage and safety. Your video is old now. Remember how computer speed and memory made big advancements every 18 months? Battery tech is on the same upward curve in improvement.
I did 26 MPH with with four Li-Ion Arrma batteries. Could only get 18 to 20 on 2 batteries. I also found that using a good quality NIHM battery also gave me better tun times, vs what was advertised on the box. But didn't really change vehicle speed. The box says 25 MPH, and you can get it. It is fun to change up and add other 1/10 scale RC bodies on the truck.
Best channel in youtube
Cool truck! Like the options, awesome vid comparing. Good job again!
Thanks a lot Rob!
It was her drifting at the end, that pushed her over the top! -:) What was the weight difference between the two small Li-Ion batteries and the Li-Po one? How would the run times compare at the same weight? Would Li-Ion give better flight times at the same weight?
My Redcat Blackout XTE Pro seems to zip along a lot faster than that (stock), something over 50 kph.
This was great. Informative, useful...I wish all of your videos were shorter, like this one was.
You guys are great with what ever you show us.
Just love your videos, keep going and do more planes. We live in AZ and can fly most days.
Thanks for the great comparison!
Great Chanel
What would be the difference between running 6 of the lion batts compared to lipo batts (run time and cost)
I was wondering the same. I've got a bunch of 18650 batts if that's what they are..
20 MPH... Whoa-Kay... *sigh*
Love to drop in a Sidewinder ESC & 3800kv motor and have some *real* RC fun!
Thanks Saylors and as always, left click! 👍
PS Merry Christmas! 🎄
We know, not setting any records with this one :/ We would love to see this with a nice brushless set up :-)
Merry Christmas!
The gripe on the boards is the plastic gearing, they don't believe it will hold up to brushless.
I disagree with them, yes, it's plastic, more like composite, but look at the size of the gears, reduces the torque which would wear out smaller gears.
Or even a Traxxas 12T.
On a new brushed motor the speed is going to creep up as you wear in. I have a Brushed Huanqi 735 1/10th buggy. Out of the box with stock L-Ion (they claim to be lipo but you can tell they are just two 18650 Li-Ion) It did 33k/h and with my 2200mAh 30c 2S lipo it did 39k/h Eventually I achieved 36k/h on stock battery and 46k/h on my lipo with that motor. Tbh it was a very good 540 brushed motor, I actually brought a 21T open bell motor for it as an upgrade upon ordering it thinking it would need it but the stock motor ended up being much faster
model nutty model nutty
I most always now run my brushed motors in either out of the car connected to a speed controller or in the car up in the air free spinning the wheels of its a new RC. Like you said makes a smooth grove between the brush and commutator for better conductivity in addition also smoothly wearing in the shaft and bearings aided with a drop of oil on each side to get it use to running at high speed without overheating the bearings.. If I was running my motor no load out of the car, I run on about 1/10th throttle for 15min then step it to about 1/4th for 10 min then to 1/2 for 5min then 2/3 for about 2min then manually slowly lift to full for 10 secc then drop back slowly to about 1/4 and let it run my battery down to about 3.5v per cell. I like to run my motors in at speed with no load before I run them full speed in my car. Also I don't like water break in's
I don't mine these cheap closed can motors you can buy from China so long as you know what you are looking for.
They don't tell you how many turns or the KV but they do tell you the max voltage as well as the maximum rpm at the voltage as well as sometimes the rpm at other lower voltages from which you can get the KV and guess the turns.
Mods to Chinese cars I have done include a WLTOYS L959 with just a 390 motor. Stock they are pretty fast for a 390 brushed motor 40k/h on 2S however I put a 28,000 rpm @8v motor (3500kv) a higher Amp ESC and ran it on 3S. I was overclocking the motor I know but I got 57k/h on a 390 brushed motor. I did eventually blow the motor and replaced it with a 35,000rpm@12v motor (3000kv) ran on 3S and went even faster, almost 59k/h tested, but seemed even faster with a few more runs. Also on a 3S with a 12v motor it was pretty much maxing it out without overclocking.
That seems plausible (being slower than on LiPo). Due to the size of the Li-Ion's they would have a much lower C-rating. That means that they had to throttle the speed/acceleration down in the esc to not torture these "round things" to their death in 1 minute! LOL. Cool Video! I don't really understand what goal Arrma is following with this concept! Are these Li-Ions self protecting? Do they shut down themselves when they get down below 3V? Nice vid as always.
Hey guys, I'm not sure if the body touches the sides but you should use some velcro pieces instead of messing with the little body clips!
The body doesn't touch the sides, so velcro wouldn't work on this one. Great tip though!
Nice truck, nice video what more do you need nice video nate and abby! 😀☺
Thanks a lot Bicycle!
Love the Chanel guys!
As far as my knowledge goes (which isn't very far) the discharge rate of the battery (C) makes a difference in how fast your car goes. Say you have 2 3s 5000 mah batteries and one has 25C the other 75C. You should see a speed increase when going from the 25C to the 75c battery.
Please don't link random li-ion batteries on amazon. Those are of questionable quality, and a false capacity (the best 18650s at at 3400mah at best). Please do some more research and find yourself a set with the appropriate discharge ratings, and a real brand on it (panasonic, samsung, lg)
Zapf You did mean Lipo and not Lithium Ion?
@@sziltner no... li ion lol..
Imrbatteries.com
even though its old now you should get a granite voltage and do an upgrade video, they are great trucks with the ability to turn into amazing trucks
I love this car. Saving up for it!!
Awesome! Let us know when you get it, and what you think of it when you do :)
Love your vids as always guys and it's clear Abby has the magic hands for cars and trucks 😂
higher capacity means less voltage sag at full power (assuming equal C rating, which they're almost certainly not as Li-Ion have low discharge rates). apparently this more than makes up for the additional mass.
Are you kidding? This video was better than Tokyo Drift!!
Lol, thanks Terry :-)
THANK YOU! Cool video! I love this comparison! I like that the car has the ability to switch between battery types which is cool. RC Cars for the win! Abby is a beast when it comes to ground vehicles! Nate handles her in the air though muahaha!
Lol, thanks a lot Jay!
I think You kinda miss point here :) Lipo 2S 30C - bout 75A output. Li-ion 2Cells - 35-40A output (at best, heavily depends on element quality etc, usualy between 10A-20A per element). What happens with higher current is, You dont gain much speed (for that You need more voltage) but.. Acceleration and torque are things You gain a lot.. meaning car seems faster and more responsive.
We are simple people, doing a simple test for fun.
@@TheRcSaylors Srry, didnt meant anything bad, just tryed to explain why it looked faster :) English aint my first language so srry bout bit strange writing. You will see difference in track times, more difficult (slowdowns/accelerations), more the difference :)
Ah, it's okay we understand. Thank you for the detailed explanation my friend! Your English is great!
Turn your remote throttle trim up, that's not full speed. Bought 3 for the kids this year. They are awesome.
I can say from what i say that the li-ion battery has a very small capacity and poor discharge of amps in comparation with your li-po 5000 mah. I prefer to use li-ion, you can get more time of playing than a traditional li-po because of the density more higher of energy wich you found in a regular li-ion cell. Try to use a better quality 18650 cell like lg hg2. You take 4 pcs connect a pair in pararel wich another the same to make a pack of 2 cell (7.4v) wich is 6000mah ! The best part is that this li-ion cell is cheaper than a li-po and they have very similar performance for more than half of the price in your li-po cell. This video i didin't find usefull in this subject wich you had tried to explain if i didin't understood wrong, thanks !
I prefer to use 21700's over 18650's due to the simple fact you can find 21700's with much higher amp outputs. I run a 3s li-ion pack with 21700's that can output 45 amps each.
Is it possible to compare it with a ni mh battery for these old timers. It could be interesting to see how the battery technology compares in the real world.
It's very possible, though we don't really plan on doing that this time around to be honest. NiMh bats are just a thing of the past and in most cases don't hold up to LiPo batteries. There are exceptions of course, but for our current applications we really aren't very interested in them unless it's our only choice.
Thank you for that you could say one cell is slightly less than one lipo cell then (about 2 kph)
Thank you for that model nutty
. I am from the era of the nicad being the norm and still updating my battery knowledge.
i love you guys soo much!!!!
Yay!!!!
Thank uuuu keep the Gud Work Guys!!!!
Abbey for the Win! I was pulling for you. Lol Great video.
Woot! Thanks B B!!
Voltage is important but amperage output is as well and lipos have a higher output than li ion
You guys should get Abby a Redcat Rampage XT-E. She'd love it.
We will have to check that out :-)
TheRcSaylors
You definitely should. I run the XB-E buggy verision and you get a ton of car for the money. If Abby's into monster truck, this big monster truck will be a blast for her.
I called 31 before the battery swap..lol I was like no way...haha
Nice!!
have u looked at the c ratings?. of both batteries
The lipo may have a higher discharge rate so naturally it would be a smidge faster than the li-ons
I love your videos 👍 Awesome
Buying this for a gift. What is the charge time for the stock lithium ion batteries included?
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No worries, our haters are just being Lazy tonight ;)
like those people in my class who ask why I would rather get an rc car then a phone.
the likes are going up by the second
still no dislikes
It's just jealous punks anyway. Probably other Stations, if that's what you call them? You Tubers refers to the folks that have channels or the ones that just watch You Tube?
do you work at ups.? if you don't mind me asking that is.. these trucks are perfect Back Yard bashers lots of fun on a tight/small track.. theses day so many people are over focused on how fast rc cars and trucks are in a big open space/strip that gets boring. 12 to 20t motors are a lot of fun on tight tracks..
li-ion def makes a big dif i would stick with one of those for sure.great video you two two thumbs up
Thanks Doug!
your welcome, any time
It's faster with lipo because the battery can now supply the motor with all the amps it can put out. The li ion 18650 has a limited amount of amperage drag ability telling me the motor is pulling the most out of the li ion batteries that they can handle.
Thats why you get extra cells and wire some in parallel.
can u disclose the c ratings of lipo and li ion battery?.. and what motor does ur rc car run on?.
Is it possible to put non stock li-ion batteries in the car? Which would you recommend? No stock batteries in my lhs in my country. Thanks in advance.
i have a teacher at my school. Mr Saylor. what a coincidence
That's so cool! Does he know about our channel??
i wouldent think so, he is a spanish teacher and im not in his class but i saw his name tag on the window haha
Y'all are in Catlettsburg? I get up that way on business from time to time.
Shout out to another KY resident and a former UPSer myself!
I noticed his gloves and thought absolutely he is a driver!
Why do you recommend only putting in two 18650 batteries?
Thats not necessarily what we recommend, its just what comes with this when purchased as RTR.
Abbey won because she is a great driver.
:-D
Thanks for the video. May I ask why the Li-Ion batteries would go only for 10mins and the LiPo for 25? Are the mAh different in both? Also, curious to know their charge and discharge rates.
100% big mAh difference
Nice review and demo . To bad you left your pet dog behind for the fun . lol Nice video . Canada
You get higher speed because the highest record was when the car drifted. Not during regular run
Wow nice video 👍❤️
I have a question I’m new to RC Trucks as I have got bored with drones, So I bought a wl toys 12429, I never even tried the battery that came with it which was an Li-on 7.4v I stuck in a 7.4 2000 mah 25c Lipo the truck ran perfect I didn’t run it long as I didn’t want to destroy the battery, and when I went to take it out the motor was so hot it burnt the **** out of my hand and this was thru the bottom chassis. The ECU and other electonics Wer cool. Is it bad to run this stock with a Lipo on The stock setup?? Plz answer
Hello, so if I use the lithium ion battery then what should I change to on the ESC? Should I change to NI-MH OR LIPO if I use the LI-iON?
An ESC only cares about voltage and amps. LI-ION nominal voltage is 3,6 volt per cell, similar to that of LIPO cells. So I would choose LIPO. (NI-MH is 1,2 volt per cell)
What a cool test you guys just did. Does it only take 2s lipo?
Yes, 2s is the highest recommended Lipo to run on this.
Abby Rules the road😀. Would 4-6 stock batteries make a speed difference ❔.It does drift well. It's Tokyo drift without the lights, spoilers, & gear slamming, foot stomping speed.😉😉. It is a good overall car.👍 fun review, what's next for it.🤔🤔😊
I'm not sure that adding any more of those included bats would make a speed difference as they are run in Parallel, which means longer run time, not higher voltage (or speed).
Honestly, the ion batteries are better, like they are about 50% size of the battery, yet they are almost the same, if you get the battery pack full of them it will outpreform the lipo by time and speed
Li-Ions can be had CHEAP/Inexpensive. I can get 18 9800mAH Li-Ions for $16 (plus $11 S/H) or get 1 Lipo 5000mAH for $40plus (for quality ones). Li-Ions may be a Bit Slower but that's a Small Price to pay for Cheaper Batteries and People on a Budget. Want to go Faster... Add 2 more or all 6 Batteries. Running 6 9800's should give you Balls Deep Run Times and More Speed.
Would you revieuw the hubsan h502s
Can i put lipo on a wltoys 12428? I believe i did not see a jumper on esc... Thanks! Great informative video! 🍻🍻🍻🍻
I am planning on getting an arrma fazon voltage for my grandson, but I have a question regarding battery compatibility. I see that it comes stock with 18650 1500mAh batteries. Can I safely run 18650 3000mAh batteries in it? Has anyone tried? What were your results?
Discharge rate on each type? That has a lot to do with performance. Same is not the same here. Not Apples to Oranges on "Battery Labeling."
Nice video. Will i still work if I were to put a 2s 7.4 5200mAh 30C LiPo? The instruction says max continuous discharge current is 25C!
As long as you don't throttle 100% for too long, you should be fine ;)
is the reason they say go no higher then a 25 c is the fact they wont fit in lol i havea foureon 2s 30c 5200 mah lipo and it only just fits in if you take the battery tray out??
Exactly as I would have expected since everyone knows that LiPo discharge at a higher current rate. The longer run time means your LiPo is a higher capacity battery. (bigger) battery, So not a particularly useful test unless you were to use batteries of equivalent capacity ratings. Everyone should know already that a larger Lipo battery will be faster than a smaller LiIon battery
Not seeing a fair comparison here. How many Li-Ion cells can the Aarma Casette actually hold? From your own presentation, more than just two. Of course the large Li-Po stick pack will last longer. No need to spot weld 18650 cells anymore. They are being manufactured with more cells in a sturdy case.
Thanks for the great video of the speed comparison of the two types of batteries! Interesting that the lipo battery with it's added weight still beat the lighter 18650 in the speed test. I wonder if the cold temperature may have been a factor? Maybe the cold effects the lith-ion more than the li-po. Super work as always! JP
It is very possible about the temperature affecting all of this, however we are thinking it simply could have been the "C" rating of these different batteries. The LiPo may have just had a higher discharge rating than these Li-Ion bats.
Nice fun vid :)) sorted :) nate and Abby 👍
You guys should buy more lithium batteries and put them in it and see how fast it goes
Love the video! 🙂
Both 2 cells ? Then should be same volt 7.4v means same speed
you should test it with alkaline batteries
this is not a fair test because li po battery has more opacity there for its heaver
Nice little in door car
Were the Li-Ion cells "right out of the box," shipped with proper storage charge?
What did I say? Longevity of Li-Ion batteries requires proper charge, storage and discharge. And a Quality Charger, not a cheapo A/C wall charger.
The tires sound like they’re plastic
If it’s brushed the more you drive it the faster it will go once the brushes are broken in
what mAh and Volts of Li-po battery u used with this one?
Linked in the description box but here ya go - goo.gl/5KB4D2
Also mentioned in the video ;)
So about 10% more speed for a lot more money because a 18650 Li-ion cost $1 or less
My guy were you tripping on something while typing this, because I have never seen 18650's go for $1 a piece.
Wow I really love your video because you are a good rc unboxing and test really loved it and one question did you marryied?
so this is the successor to the vorteks?
Same voltage same amount of cells but a higher discharge rate which puts out more power
For 140 dollars i wouldn't go near this car, there's way faster options out there for that price.
Ya stuff from junk brands. Only other one that’s decent is traxxas’s cheaper version
You need to be careful buying 18650 batteries for RC vehicles, because unlike lipo which gives a C rating for how many amps it can put out you rarely get that on 18650s, so if you use some of those cheap Ultrafire batteries they could explode in the car.