PowerTank CO2 Air System - Pros and Cons
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- In this video we'll talk about the Powertank which is a CO2 version of an onboard air system. We'll put it to the test against a 26 gallon air compressor and a frame nailer. After all that, I'll discuss my opinion on the pros and cons of the Powertank.
Powertank - powertank.com/
Website: www.bleepinjeep...
FaceBook: / bleepinjeep
This product is meant for entertainment purposes only. Your mileage may vary. Do not try this at home. Void where prohibited. Some assembly required. For off-road use only. Slippery when wet. Batteries not included. Do not use while operating a motor vehicle, heavy equipment, cherokee XJ, wrangler TJ, wrangler JK, or any Jeep vehicle, especially the newer Fiat ones. How-to videos may be too intense for some viewers and children under 30 years of age. Please remain seated until the 4x4 ride has come to a complete stop. Studies have shown viewing these videos causes increased cancer risks in laboratory test people. I am not a professional, I have no training, I'm not even particularly good at horse whispering. Don't believe everything that you know. Please keep your hands in the vehicle at all times. Do not tap on glass. Do not eat anything that has been on the floor for more than 3 days. Keep your hands to yourself. Not to be taken internally. Reproduction strictly prohibited. Driver does not carry cash. Objects in Bleepinjeep mirrors may be farther than they appear.
Great video. Thanks for taking the time to cover all of the basics.
I think some have missed the point here.
You clearly state the pros and cons and why they are important to you. If they are not important to the person watching the video, then by all means carry on with using your compressor.
You have made my mind up. I hate compressors. My Sh#ttybilt compressor takes forever and pumps water into the tire as well due to the heat that is being generated from compression.
Another point in favor is that electrical and most certainly mechanical items fail. This system takes away the electrical aspect and the mechanical is pretty minimal.
Thanks again for sharing.
Hey man, just wanted to say I love the videos, keep em coming as long as you can, thanks again.
Hey buddy love your videos for years the reason why your nails went in so far is because you were still set on your regulator as Tire fill you never turned it down two tool pressure keep up the good videos
I've used a Western 200 psi fixed pressure gageless regulator for this for many years. Their outlet threads are 1/4" NPT female so I installed my chuck with a 1/4" NPT nipple. I found running a longish hose gives the liquid CO2 room to expand. Industrial CO2 regulators aren't expensive on Ebay if you want fine adjustment and gages, but I knew 200psi out works out to acceptable volume rate for pneumatic tools.
I just switched to CO2 after several years of onboard air. I agree, much faster to air up and more adaptable for use of tools. I have 2 15lb tanks , one is always full and one comes along on the trails. Good value for the money, $20 gets me 24 tires inflated from 14lbs to 48lbs.
I had a tank and sold it after a while. I was filling up everyone's tires at the end of the trail and was filling up the bottle after each outing. Now I have an ARB twin. Air for everyone and no more fill ups. But it sure was fast.
+syzfilms Agree I went though the same process. I didn't want to say no to filling up everyone but it started to get annoying. My TJ I put in a York compressor and my JK I did the ARB as well.
syzfilms should’ve charge a couple bucks per tire to fill up other people including your friends that would made up for another fill up free of pocket
Matt,
you didn't reduce the pressure on the regulator when using the nail gun to the "air tool" setting
This would be my choice. I've read the description on the website. No mention of how well the air "keeps" in the tank. Probably difficult to assess without a gauge and you having to weigh it. Since you have a 2 hr round trip, what's your experience on the longevity? Have you filled it, partially used it, and let it sit for awhile? Does it seem when you do so it struggles to provide the quota of fill-ups? Thanks in advance.
Nitrogen tank for your shocks, tires and tools. 2200 PSI. 250 bucks at FOA.
Nick Mcalpin what are the parts needed to use a nitrogen tank instead of co2 set up
You really should have emphasized that these work amazing for air lockers.
The initial cost of that thing is pretty enticing. But i feel like a York EDC would be the way to go. Companies make bolt on mounts for almost all popular engines and they are super simple to install.
Thumbs up for magic floating screwdriver!
Thank you I just ordered mine.
go to your local welding gas supplier get a whole setup
I was semi interested in this until I checked the price. almost $600 seems no where near worth it to me. I also don't know the cost of an arb compressor but I think I'd just go with a harbor frieght 12v.
You don't need a "power tank" you can buy any used co2 bottle. You just need a regulator. You can even buy a preset regulator valve at 150 psi. Build your own for a fraction of the cost.
You might need to adjust your pressure, you don't want to run a Framing nail gun much more than 120#'s, 110 is usually fine for the smaller nails and finish guns I shoot in the 90's.
How hard would it be to get the supplies to fill it up in your own shop? Would it be worth doing it? Thanks for the videos though. always telling people to check out your channel and to leave a thumbs up!
+tyler squires Ive done it - You have to get a large CO2 Tank with a fill nozzle. I used it for sodastream and paint ball guns- it gets expensive - about 75.00 for a large cylinder that has a yearly rental. I would explore either a AC Compressor conversion or a 12 volt one over a CO2 due to the cost.
Is it just me, or did the pressure regulator still show 'Tire' range instead of tool when you were firing the nail gun? Could just be a camera thing. Nice video
Don't forget local paintball shops and fields, we still use co2 in the paintball industry
you show that the regulator has an air tool setting and a tire filling setting @4:35 and you are on the high, tire filling setting when you fill your tire. ..then when you use your air gun @ 5:45 you didn't lower the regulator to the tools pressure (appx 90). ..couldn't that have blown up your tool and seriously injured you? that had to be at a setting of at least 200#. ...
Although you do have to be careful about pressure settings on some tools most air tools can handle much higher pressures than 90 psi without blowing the tool apart. Ever have to remove a pinion nut? And next time you're in a tire shop you might notice that their air pressure running their impact guns is much higher than 90 psi.
well, it only took almost a year to get a good answer, lol. thanks, what other tools shouldn't go higher than 90# like you were saying here {Although you do have to be careful about pressure settings on some tools like *NAIL GUNS* which are basically a piston with a cylinder cap that can blow off}
AZ DONALD it's ok, he was wearing his "safety glasses 🤓
@@donaldfafard Not the nail gun. The nail gun should be between 90-120 max without risk of damage or injury. Good call on that one @40lowgear
uhh, @@danr5539 that's pretty much what I was saying.
I Also I heard that CO2 is bad. for tires. Is that right?
cant wait to try out my sanden ac compressor OBA, apparently it'll do 10+ cfm at well over 100psi
Just a word of caution, CO2 and rubber compounds don't mix well over the long haul. Most all of the off roaders, rock climbers and green laners here in Greece use Nitrogen as their air source for both tires and adjustable shocks. Nitrogen is inert and I'll not react with the rubber compounds used in tires. It is also naturally dry and won't affect any mechanicals that need air. You should be able to use the cylinder by replacing the tank valve with one for inert gasses and the connecting stem on the regulator to that of an inert gas connector. DOT also requires a new sticker on the tank listing its contents.
Hi Subgunman-So where did you hear that CO2 and rubber compounds don't mix? CO2 has been proven as a safe gas for tires and Power Tank has been doing it since 1997 with no issues with tires.
CO2 stores as a liquid under pressure so you get MUCH more volume out of a same-size compressed gas cylinder. I have both gases but the increased endurance favors CO2. New cylinders are cheap and most people don't know how to remove cylinder valves without trashing the valve which is best done with a cylinder valve wrench.
Your point regarding nitrogen and rubber compounds is only partially correct. With the rubber compounds used in today's tire manufacturing the effects of nitrogen would literally take years and years to have any noticeable effect. More often than not, the tires would be worn out and thrown away from normal use. The real issue with nitrogen is finding shops that can fill the tanks in the first place. In some locations, just finding places that refill CO2 tanks is hard enough. Lastly, as a avid wheeler and motocrosser I use nitrogen like you but based on my experience I have zero problems using CO2 and still do frequently do to the availability and cost of nitrogen in comparison to CO2
It seems like the Uber setup would be to have your vehicle fill one of these tanks with air while you drive, that you can just hook in to or disconnect and use portably.
Perhaps by mounting an extra AC pump with a shut off connected to a pressure relay.
Then the trade off from co2 to air would be meaningless cause you don’t need to to fill 16 tires, you only need 4-8 before just plugging it back in to the truck to refill.
This setup would have the added redundancy of being able to have the tank system fail completely and you can still use your pump directly, while getting the super fast inflation out of the tank when used like a power tank.
Smittybilt sell a cheaper version, not as well built (obviously). To fill these cheaper you can take them to a place that does a "group fill"; they wait till all the gas in the tank is claimed and fill a batch of tanks at once. It's cheaper, but you do it at their leisure.
when you use the nail gun you left it at tire pressure
I use my mouth and a straw for air
I have had the pressure over load diaphragm blow out on my Smittybilt tank twice. The first time it happened it almost gassed me out in my Jeep as I went to get into my vehicle I realized something was seriously wrong because I could breath and almost passed out because my vehicle was full of CO2 gas. I am not sure if you are not suppose to store the tank in your vehicle but I do for the convenience of having it there when I need it.
You aren't supposed to store gas cylinders in vehicles. Now you know why. I'd be making a proper rack for it.
Police vehicles do it all the time. I manage 140 patrol vehicles equipped with fire extinguishers and they sit all day in the Arizona heat and never go off
you had the powertrank set to tires while using your nail gun. fyi.
for the nailer he was still at tire pressure, not tool
You don't have to get the fancy yellow one. You can get one for around 100 bucks at Air Gas
on board compressor, with a portable air tank.
If You hold the tank on its side and tip it slow you can feel the liquid co2 and about how full it is .. I play paint ball
Superdan187211 I use to work at a field and that's how I was told how to refill them
Good way to blow burst disk or have half full tanks
dicks (or a sporting goods store) may be able to fill them up, they can fill CO2 paintball tanks. You might have to make a fitting to work with their machines though, just take the adapter off an old tank and couple it with an air nipple or something.
COOL STUFF MATT !!!!
The only pro i see that it looks cool on your truck
You have link to that tire gauge?
Looks awesome,how much?
You know. I priced a good ARB compressor to the power tank and you can get a 15lb tank with all the goods for less. The power tank is far faster. Perhaps compare a on board compressor to the power tank.
was wondering what make are your dirtbikes they look like superbykes 125cc video???
+diesel engines crazy crf230 and xr100
thank they look very similar to my one like your vids
Where can I find the regulator that's attached to the tank?
6:06 I think you are still on tyre setting while using tools ? might be why your compressor can't match it ?
Build your own. Cost 1/4 as much! !!!
So, you mentioned that you can take it to the fire department for refills, I would like to say that's a fantastic idea but you should know why that will work. The fire depo can fill it because they use it put out certain fires, usually electrical (possibly another pro?) but with that you should defiantly be aware what can happen if you use this nifty gadget in a confined space! CO2 is used by firefighters to displace oxygen (which you need to live.) And because CO2 is heavier than air, you can fill up a trench, cavity, oil changing hole thing or any other cavity you may find yourself stuck in. Doing so will displace all the normal oxygen you need to breath to keep on kicking and with that I say con! Unless your aware of it and plan accordingly that is.
+Deavon Kiefer-Fetters Fantastic video! forgot to mention. I always find new things I want lol
do you change your channel ! I think it was cheap Jeep!!
need to get the monster valves now
Most sporting good stores fill up CO2 for paintball guns so you might try them.
Dive shops are best!
very nice.
Matt thanks for the video. I have been looking for a good air chuck. That oil filled one looks pretty good. Where can I find one?
+Dennis B www.powertank.com
+BleepinJeep Thanks Matt!
I know a guy who wworks on air conditioners. He filled his tire with freon. It lasted about an hour until it blew up. Good thing he was stopped when this happened. LOL.
😂
Can I use it as a Fire extinguisher.
paintball shop...
excellent
You also dont need the engin running
Where do you get a bracket for mounting in the jeep for roll bars and other ways ?
+Chris Kayak Quinn www.powertank.com
Is that power tank capable of doing all 4 tires without freezing?
Yes indeed
tank must have a leak, hear a constant hiss during the video ;)
Thats pretty cool that the pressure stays the same with C02, anyone care to explain how that works?
It stays the same pressure, because at standard temperature and atmospheric pressure CO2 wants to be a gas, and the limited volume will keep it from going from the liquid state to the gas state, and the 800psi is how hard the liquid is trying to become a gas. In other words, it always wants to leave the tank with the same force.
Any issues if kept in the jeep in cold weather?
Nope
Always at 800 psi is not correct when it's empty its empty the regulator has a check in It that can be removed so the tank psi is actual..I've used co2 for 30 years when it's empty it's empty it's not magic.
The Co2 is strong with you! @ 2:00
fuck that convert your a/c compressor for air
+Guinelle1 I installed a York 210 on my JK. Works great. I'm gonna have to time it to see where I'm at against that CO2 tank.
+Guinelle1 but I need my A/C. it's gonna be 105* today :)
Why co2 and not just compressed air?
Compressed air in a tank goes down in pressure as it gets lower, Co2 will stay at 150psi until the tank is completely empty.
You can also go to your local paintball shop and get a fill.
You can't run air tools over 90psi or manufacture spec safely. That's very bad info there.
When did I say to run air tools over 90psi?
+BleepinJeep at 10:15 running all air tools at higher psi ( you're implying). Why would you say that unless your running your tools over 90psi. Normally 90psi is the max of any air tool that I've used, so why would this unit be beneficial other than portability?.
+peelman1506 Of course you shouldn't intentionally use your air tools over the recommended pressures. But I have seen air tools that use up to 500psi. My framing nailer is 125psi. Now did I forget to turn it down for the nail gun portion of the video?... maybe so, I'm not perfect and sometimes I forget things but what's done is done and I'm still alive so let's move on.
Portable? Use a tank for your compressed air.
You can't readily use it for for your air lockers.
There is an adapter for that on there website
It'd be ok if it didn't cost each time to refill it.
...this CO2 is like air on steroids...
how long will that 10 tank, run the impact wrench!
Have 1 works 👍
Can the powertank put out a fire?
it can put out a candle very well!
YES. Powertanks (and other gaseous CO2 applications) use vapor withdrawal cylinders which become liquid withdrawal cylinders when inverted.. I would unscrew the regulator then open the valve because regulators don't flow near the volume of the open valve. Your hand will get COLD so if you can grab a glove or rag to open the valve with that would be wise.
"The tank is aways at 800PSI no matter what". No, it definitely is not.
Tool test: "go big or go home" with a nail gun....yea right, one of the lowest consumption air tools there are.
Now I remember why i Left, this is a commercial beep
its a bomb!
This is about $700 not worth it. I made my own for less than $200.
What is the noise .......sounds like an air leak. Man o man your killing me smalls
you had it set for tire lol not tools
You'll shoot your eye out kid... Get a Red Ryder Co2 Rifle today...
I bring my ex wife along to blow up my tires! Unlimited supply!
1st !
:(
How is a CO2 tank system an invention?
This narrator is very boring.
safty glasses but no tire cage good way to die
I like my tires free ranged and not locked up in cages.
tire cage?
pjbtruck tire cage for what???? The bead wasn't broke