Starship Troopers (1997) - Dizzy's Funeral - Carl's Speech
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This scene has the perfect amount of: “Yes we’re old friends but I’m still your senior officer and we’re in a desperate situation” going on
It's really good
@@tonyh1718 Carl’s smirk at Rico’s comment lol
In the book it's described that the bugs are so numerous that a 10,000 bugs to 1 human kill ratio in a given engagement would be a statistical victory for the bugs.
The arachnids remind me of the tryanids in warhammer 40k probably even have the same tactics like the arachnids
You make it sound as if the humans are the 300 Spartans and the bugs are the entire nation of Persia.
@@Foxhound3857 sounds about right the troopers would almost if not always be outnumbered by the arachnids at any given time take battle of klendathu for instance the federation thought it would be slam dunk so to speak so they sent hundreds of thousands maybe millions of troopers to what they thought would be a perfect victory they instead were sending them to their untimely deaths the same goes for the Persians
@Foxhound3857 That's cause it was like that, the soldiers in the book had advanced combat gear similar to exosuits, with some of the most expensive weaponry available. A single soldier dying was indeed a victory for the bugs due to the amount of training and resources required just to fit one human soldier. Really good book!
@ange1300 The book mobile infantry's primary weapon was also machine gun that fired mini-nuclear warheads! The movie MASSIVELY nerfed their combat effectiveness.
The imperial guard: not bad, kid
Carl looks like he's been heavily doping on Dark Side
I like how, despite their difference in position and personal disagreements about the mission, it didn't interfere with their friendship. Carl may outrank both of them by a wide margin and is coldly able to make decisions that cost people their lives (including theirs, potentially), but he still respects and supports them, especially Rico who, despite being little more than a frontliner and a workhorse, is one of the federations finest, always frosty and ready for the next mission, hence why Carl was happy to promote him and give him command of the Roughecks, perhaps M.I's most prestigeous platoon.
One of those rare examples where Carl's rapid ascension to the top ranks and the power he commands didn't go to his head.
How did Carl promote so quickly? Automatically bc he's a psychic?
@@destinationskyline07 Because his test scores were off the chart.
@@destinationskyline07 Yup...
While yeah, Carl still cares about them, at the same time, the promotion it was only part of the job, what he cares more.
I'd suggest you to hear the director's audio commentary to understand better this film, it has satire and subtle messages in it, unlike what they do these days, it's not preachy with what it does. The source material glorifies the military and it has some fascist views, while this film has a critic about that. See how Rico replied at the end, "I'll take it, till I get killed or you find someone better", he knows what's up.
He probably didn't even know his friends were in that unit when he ordered a team to be sent to that planet.
Rico was a sergeant before. Carl was a colonel. He basically gave him a field promotion from sgt to lieutenant which is an officer. Is that even possible?
yep happened all the time during the WWI and WWII.
In the original novel, it didn’t happen this way, of course. Ace encourages Johnny to apply for officer training, which he does, and finds himself commanding a group of troops in a subsequent battle. Does well. I don’t remember if anyone in the novel receives a field commission, but it scarcely matters; the narrative makes a point that many or most MI officers drop with their troops, whatever their other duties might be.
Despite major gulfs between social classes, it was even possible in the 18th century British Army. Partly because in those days there were no military medals in the modern sense. Recognising great merit or courage was only possible through promotion.
@@stevekaczynski3793 In those days on paper any monarch could enoble and commission a private for special services. Granted it didn't happen too often but if in battle you proved yourself your sovereign could decide to commission you on the spot. Who was gonna say no?
It only happens less these days because wars have been less deadly, statistically speaking. When a bunch of people are competing for an officer spot, the requirements become more stringent. Massive deaths loosen those requirements and allow rapid, sudden promotions.
This is one case where the book and movie are very different, but I loved and both read and watched multiple times.
I've never read the book but in this scene how was it different? The interaction or promotion or how they are portrayed?
@RadicalRichard19 this scene doesn't happen in the book. The book and the movie are similar in the spirit of the plot, but the book is stone faced serious about all the stuff the movie thinks is silly.
In the book Rico is from the Philippines and is named Jaun Rico, Dizzy is a dude and he dies in the first chapter, Carmen and Juan are acquainted from school but were never friends, they reconnect much later in their careers.
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This movie was directed by Paul Verhoven, who is anti-military; the movie is definitely not done 'in the spirit' of the book, and so the characters come across as plastic recasts of G.I. Joe as a result.
@@HuntingTarg You're right it isn't done in the spirit of the book. That's because the film is a satire about what the book took seriously.
The film is a thinly veiled lambasting of everything the book stood for. Which is what makes it so good.
i like how rico eventually outranks carmen in the latest series timeline.
He does? What’s his rank and what’s her rank?
he was a general and she was only a ship captain@@alexsmith6914
@@Godsjudgement12well, thats not exactly correct. While generally he outranks her, on her ship, she outranks him
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Rico is a General, while Carmen is a Captain (which is equivalent to a Colonel in M.I)
@@SoranPryde Gotta love RUclips lectures…Especially when I spent a good portion of my adult life in the military. 🤦🏽♂️
Carl was right though.
He's right but if your one of those people that's being given a death sentence (more or less) without knowing you might disagree.
@@AmrRivers Yeah. We provoked the bugs by going into their territory, in retaliation, they sent that meteor. They felt threatened and responded how they're designed to.
@@podsmpsg1 I haven't watched the sequals through but I wonder if the brain bugs would adapt and start thinking like humans in order to fight more effectively, or if they stayed insect minded. Either way, they never tried to communicate to find a peace.
@@podsmpsg1 they never sent the meteor. They said it came from clear across the galaxy. False flag op that no one even questioned it with basic math.
I love this movie
I had no idea Doogie Howser was a an SS officer 🤣
And he's gay let that sink in. I'd love to see the Arian brotherhood handbook guidelines on that notion.But I like NPH he's ok in my book.
i think it looks more like a Wehrmacht uniform personally
@@chickennugget4724Denise Richard's outfit looks like the Wehrmacht uniform to me... NPH looks like the more elite SS officers, and I don't know what the other guy is supposed to be
@@chickennugget4724I think the long black trench coat and it being almost an all black uniform give that pre war SS appearance (despite a lot of movies and video games by WW2 the black uniform had been largely abandoned for field grey ones outside of formal events in Berlin and even then it was a mixed bag, you would see Waffen SS Generals in finely tailored field grey uniforms alongside some with the all blacks) even though there are Wehrmacht nods like Carls lapel ranks which scream of German Army even East and West Cold War period armies.
If they had pulled the oak leaves and pips on the lapel collar it definitely would scream of SS
Planet P is a GOOD day against the Tyranids.
Damn right. And that's without something like a Hive Tyrant when the bastards start forming actual plans.
Or worse, when you can't even trust your own people because of the Fucking Genestealers.
I f-ing love this movie.
When you rewatch the movie and notice how earlier in the movie Carl was always with dizzy , in the classroom where they are dissecting the bugs , the prom dance , I believe Carl also came here to pay his final respects to Dizzy, which in a way I believe he had a thing for her
Each of them is like 19 years old.
Those Uniforms are so badass
Yes, Carl's just screams of the SS.
@kchishol1970 I'd say his uniform is more like a imperial guard commissar
@@kchishol1970 More like WW2 German Wehrmacht.
The society in the book is a fascist society and is meant to loosely imitate the ideologies of Germany during WWII.
They're meant to be knock-off nazi uniforms
Carl looks like he has been staring into Hell for a week straight.
Carl is awesome. Like seriously in Invasion he mind controlled bugs.
Quite the jump for Johnny Rico. Private to Corporal to Lieutenant.
Rico went to private to corporal to sergeant to lieutenant
Now that’s soldiering. Just like Sharpe.
Wartime promotions have always been faster
Carl: its their fault they didn't suit up
Best scene
This is one thing they add in the movie I don't dislike. Heinlein never described how burials went. He does say that if officer candidates are killed in action (on their 'apprentice cruise' where they are tested as officers) they are commissioned in their unit they came from, so they can "send them home." In the book, if Rico (who goes to OCS to be an officer) were to die on his test as an officer, he would be commissioned as 2nd Lieutenant Juan Rico, 2nd "Roughnecks" Platoon," G company, 2nd battalion , 3rd "pampered pets" regiment, 1st "polaris" M.I. Division.
i mean most of the book is nothing like the movie
@@thaksjtubeSince the movie is 'basen on' the book, shouldn't it be said the other way around?
The Israelis do that also, in fact I think that’s a tradition a lot of nations militaries do as a general matter of respect to the person that died.
In the novel, I don't remember any mention of a private soldier getting a field promotion to lieutenant. Rico in particular doesn't get a promotion to officer without a considerable amount of classroom study and at least one apprentice cruise. Heinlein himself was a career military man until he caught TB, so if field promotions were the norm in this society I think he would have mentioned it. On the other hand, a field promotion is a good way to keep this movie moving along.
Heinlein only served for a few years during the early 30s.He had no combat experience or even stateside service during war. So he never actually saw the reality of war and how it plays out in real life as opposed to hypothetical classrooms and discussions. The US had tens of thousands of battlefield commissions during WW2. But Heinlein who came through the military academy system in peacetime was influenced by that in his writings. In real life if times are tough the system(any system) will do anything to survive even changing the rulebook. That's the thing the book is the pov of a guy who had the uniform on for a few years then got dumped(you can't tell me he wasn't angry at his discharge that erased a full decade of his life) and watched the real war which started a few years later play out from afar. Heinlein was one of the few military age males of his generation who did not serve in WW2.
He surely mentioned. Remember how in officer academy one of his fellow officer-in-training was already a captain field-promoted, or maybe even mayor. The important thing is that while nobody would take that from him, his chance to promote to the senior officers are quite slim, without proper education. That's why he went to academy and get demoted.
I love how tired and worn out Carl looks in this scene. He may come across as a heartless strategist sitting in high command haphazardly ordering the deaths of thousands on a whim, but his angry retort to Carmen to me said he is struggling to cope with tue weight of his actions and lashes out at her in guilt.
He rationalised it in his mind with the repsonse of 'We're in it for the species' but I think seeing his best friend turning out to be one of the anonymous statistics he deals with when co ordinating the War effort affected him, hence the angry response when his actions were questioned.
Maybe im reaching but its how I always perceived it anyway
I had to become cold and calculated. I recognise this now. Cannot advise in a war in the game theory field if I care too much. I cared to much before. I act based on principle now instead of care or love
*too
Barney Stinson made a good work as an SS officer
A series that actually did go there got non-renewal for a third season due to 'poor ratings' (i.e. ratings that network executives weren't satisfied with) and did a 'humans started it' big reveal at the end of their two-part series finale:
"Space: Above and Beyond" .
This happened in 1996, 5 years before nyne-eIeven .
He should have brought his Power-Ferret with him.
Sucks Carl missed the funeral by a second
This movie reminds me of halo
I personally don't think the acting in this movie is that bad at all.
People saying it’s bad don’t realize it’s TRYING to be tongue in cheek. It’s meant to take a ridiculous situation seriously, and it succeeds.
carmen did not salute to carl.
She thinks she is better than everybody.
@@BambosSystems i hate her very much
In some military cultures you don't salute if you have no headwear
They cut "but it would be better than doing nothing"?
Por qué dizzy flores murió en la película y no Carmen Ibáñez.
Como dijo el director, podía haber hecho eso, pero no quiso hacer una historia comercial,
así que decidió otro camino en la misma.
At this moment,Rico was like "stop watching this brother,death to the MPLAAA!!!!"
Oh my god! its DOOGIE HIMMLER
The problem is, this is supposed to be a satire of fascism, but the guy in the SS uniform makes the best points here: I have to make decisions that send hundreds of people to their death, I can never be 100% sure of what threat I'm sending my troops into, I know some of the people I care about will be killed or hurt because of my decisions, but I can't let that affect my decision making.
These are things that all commanders have to deal with in any conflict.
It's not a satire. In the book, the Terra Federation is a libertarian government that focuses on ensuring that everyone is free to do or say whatever they want so long as it doesn't infringe on the right and liberties of others. So you can't rob or assault someone else.
The director never read the book and claimed it was a satire or fascism.
Furthermore, the bugs are marxists/communists on a biological level. So the war is between humanity and the bugs, is figuratively a war between two opposing political philosophies. One that values freedom and the individual. While the other values the collective whole and conformity. (I believe the bugs share a literal hive mind)
Imagine if they had Allen Turing on the team.
Alan
Barney Stinson's first choices for suits were... Questionable.
Drippy
Carl- "I need a new Piss Boy. Want the job?" "I'll take it,till I get killed, or you find someone better."
[Flashback to "History of the World: Part 1"]
I salute your avatar 👨✈️
@@HuntingTargOk. As long as you understand it is simply the letter Q- the first letter in Quasar. Zero political application.
I like 1:20
Если бы он зиганул, я бы проорал 😂
You don't approve?
🦧🦧🦧
Some communist director: "Im going to make them wear nazi uniforms so people think humans are the bad guys"
Me: "DUDE CARL'S UNIFORM IS COOL LETS GO HUMANITY"
Also a warning to not let the US become like Nazis...
@@MarcusAurelius7777What I find funny about this is they are literally fighting aliens that want to eat the human race alive and we are supposed to see the humans as evil. Like bruh what?
If they wanted to have this message they could have done something like Avatar which is a more compelling argument.
@@MarcusAurelius7777also in the movie when a senior military official messes up badly. Instead of trying to cover it up and downplay it. They immediately admit fault and then step down from power.
How is that fascist? That’s actually preferable to what we have now.
@@MarcusAurelius7777also have you seen the mass graves when communists decide its own people are against them? From China, Russia, Vietnam(I work with a south Vietnam soldier who had to escape that country)
Carl was an asshole, but like captain Edward jellico before him, he was right.
He got Deanna in a uniform, and I will forever be grateful.
Riker was also right. Jellico was an effective manager and decision-maker, and the right 'point man' in a conflict - but he was no Picard. Picard was a true Leader of People.
Lots of people say Starship Troopers Is satire of Fascism. But this here is why it failed to convey that to the audience. The movie makes it plain the bugs are aiming to wipe out humanity, so anything the humans do is justified. “We’re in this for the species” that line right there excuses anything. If the movie wanted to be satire then what was missing was a scene were the bugs reveal the asteroid was an inside job, that the humans started the war.
Uh I think it's satire either way...clearly of the US.
Paul Verhoven didn't read the book and what he was trying to do was almost entirely disconnected from the source material. Still, he did such a poor job of satirizing fascism we have to take his word for it that it's what he was going for. An entirely volunteer army fights for the survival of their race as covered by an unbelievably transparent press? His own parents should be ashamed of him, having lived in German occupied Netherlands during WW2.
It could have been an inside job. Those news we keeps seeing are full of lies, so why would the one about the asteroid by more real than the rest?
It's a combination of that and total superiority. Humanity in this movie is trying to do the same by colonizing the entire galaxy. The bugs don't have to be in the right or wrong for this movie to demonstrate the nature of military propaganda, political intel set-ups (Klendathu), and tyrannical hierarchies in government forcing people to fight for their government to obtain basic human rights. If the bugs were hinted at being the good guys, we'd have the same narrative as Avatar. This movie hides it well, just like the real world has.
Paul Verhoeven doesn’t do one dimensional and two dimensional crap.
Just like Robocop, there is comedy, corporate wasteland, ridiculous police work but also heroism.
And guess what, that’s how life is.
There are real people and good values in all systems, even those we label as bad and vice versa.
I love how a "funeral" in the future ia just dumping the body in space like so much garbage
It’s literally no different than an at sea burial after a naval battle