The idea that Washington and Oregon might place a higher value on staying in the Pac-12 (than leaving for the Big Ten) because it's easier to get to the playoff is a myth. In the near future, to remain competitive for national championships will require recruiting and paying for top athletes (NIL), retaining top coaching staffs and plenty of exposure on linear TV. They absolutely know this is coming, and none of these things will be possible in a crippled Pac-12. Should the Big Ten make an offer, they'll leave on the spot.
BIG will not offer. ACC will. Money will be AS GOOD OR BETTER in the ACC. Oregon Washington, Stanford, Baylor, Oklahoma St and 1 more will be in the ACC in 2 years announcement to follow this Fall. Surely you know the PAC better than I do. Who is the most Valuable of these 3? Arizona St, Utah or Colorado. Whoever it is will probably be the 6th Team. Travel will NOT be an issue due to ACC scheduling format. Eastern schools will only Travel WEST 1 time per year. Western schools will only Travel EAST 2 times per year. PAC schools will play each other every year and rotate through the Eastern Schools twice every 4 years and get to play Notre Dame some (not sure how often).
@@brucemercer7753 The ACC will not be able to offer the money that the Big Ten and the SEC will ($75 to $100 million per year). It's true that UW and UO are a cultural fit in the ACC, but the lack of competitive money and the three time zone difference are just too much to overcome. The possibility of Washington and Oregon joining the ACC is extremely unlikely. Today's ACC is like today's Pac-12: living on borrowed time.
@@valuedcustomer9614 You don;t have accurate information on the ACC Money situation. They are getting $20 Million MORE RIGHT NOW than what you are seeing reported. They are at $66 Million in EARNINGS but spending a HUGE CHUNK of it to Fast-Track the Build of the ACC Network, but that is PIAD OFF like a Car Payment from a New Car after THIS YEAR. And That $20 Million goes from EXPENSE to REVENUE INSTANTLY. Plus the Expansion will add another $20 Million. This is all part of a PLAN set in motion when the last TV Deal was signed and the ACCN was created. The MONEY is THERE and it is about to be MORE MONEY than the BIG# makes. Even IF there was No additional money the $66 Millin is STILL THERE and that is THREE TIMES what the PAC is going to get and more than the BIG# is going to offer. And the SEC is NOT going to make an offer. Then you talk about Travel, but you don't understand the REALITY of the Travel. ACC dropped Divisions to gets "Travel Friendly" for their Expansion Targets. This is a PLAN from 7 or 8 years ago. Everything has been worked out to make this work. Eastern teams will only Travel WEST 1 time per season. Western teams will only travel EAST TWO times per season. As long as the former PCA school schedule OTHER former PAC school and MWC and WAC schools etc in the OOC they will play 10 of their 12 games OUT WEST.
One has to assume that there has not been a media proposal that meets the conference's approval. I suppose that there is a possibility that there may not ever be an acceptable offer. Then what?
Sounds like, and Wilner has stated, there was a deal on table that was agreeable to most but not ALL (he lists Arizona) so it has been re-worked and now apparently Apple may be off the table. GK has been trying to thread a tough needle here getting all 10 members happy to sign grant of rights.
I’m sure each school has a representative that’s closely involved in the actual negotiations. I’ve negotiated with universities, and they always have some level of executive with their lawyers while negotiating.
With Disney and ESPN imploding in epic fashion, all those other deals everyone is bragging about may go awry. Not panicked at all. Highly suspect that this time next year, everything will be different. FACTS: Disney, the ESPN parent: Movie studios...failing. Parks: failing. Disney/ESPN streaming... 11+ billion in losses. Nothing in the pipeline is forecast to bring in positive cash flow. Disney went from 13+ billion in movie studio revenue in 2019 to below 4 billion now (> 75% decline). Its still declining. ESPN signed those fat contracts... that depend on online subcribers of cable/sattelite viewers for revenue. ESPN had 100 million+ subscribers when they signed those contracts. It already dropped below 70 million (30% decline). Its now forecast to be 50 million or less in 1 to 2 years (50% + decline). Its why they refused any PAC12 deal. By next year, the PAC10/12 may, and likely will be, sitting pretty while the floor falls out for ESPN and all those conferences/teams whose revenue source is headed to bankruptcy.
While we're speculating, I'd remind everybody of all the rumors of Apple buying PAC12 content. It's also possible Apple will be the biggest purchaser of Disney/ESPN's liquidated products. If both happen, only the top games will be on TV and all the rest will be on streaming, regardless of the conference. Edit: It should be noted, the B1G is safe from Disney doom.
@craigkirsch6750 False. Not true. Do your research. Their profits are based on subscribers. Revenue is steeply declining. They didn't just start massive layoffs because they are cash rich. More is coming. Plus, Disney has no choice but to take the cash they are making. They are required by law to pay their bills. Good luck with that theory.
@@1mrcow143 So was Blackberry, or IBM (a shell of what they were), or Sears, or AIG or Lehman Brothers, or Kmart, or WorldCom, or Arthur Anderson, etc, etc. Disney is failing at every level and doing so epically and rapidly. Watch how this progresses. You seem to be new to this.
"Everything else is shots across the bow and yada yada." You're kinda touching on the idea of narrative which I don't think Kliavkoff is controlling right now.
Hay Spencer if you need work after the PAC folds (we ) WVU are looking for a good Locked On personality. You can use me as a reference 😉 lol Great show once again.
Kirk Schultz now head the executive board, this conference is done. He is a complete clown. SDSU is not going to get added anytime soon, deal wont be done before media days. Get used to it.
Ourand said around August 1st there will be an update on the media deal and nothing announced until around Labor Day. Six more long weeks until the PAC pushes it back to October.
There must be a reason certain presidents were picked as replacements on the Exc committee... WSU pres as the chairman seems odd after learning how bad he's directed the university and their finances.
Did the MWAC reply to SDSU's letter of intent to exit prior to SDSU rescinding its decision to leave? If the answer to that is No, MWAC probably has no genuine case to keep away SDSU from the conference while demanding exit money. Can MWAC also honestly state that it has quickly adjusted its game schedule to account for SDSU's exit prior to the latter rescinding its intention or decision to exit? If the answer to that is no, can the conference honestly prove that its current position on SDSU is not born out of antagonism? I doubt it. There's always a window for an entity to change its mind, as long as the other party has not made a decision for or to the contrary. Therefore, in my opinion, MWAC has no case against SDSU because its "kicking" out SDSU may not be ruled interpretational. The latter can actually establish a case against the former.
Quick question! Did AZ change its DC? I just saw that in every loss they had last year (2022) that D gave up a minimum of 31 points (39 vs Miss St. , 49 v Cal, OR and WA, 45 v USC and Utah, 31 to WA St.) now that is bad defense. Getting 4 and 5 star defensive players is great but if the DC is the same so will be the results. Oh before I forget, I wonder what coach Jedd Fisch told the kid with regard to which conference AZ will be playing in starting in 2024? What do I mean by that? See his recent interview on his thoughts on realignment and where AZ will be once it shakes out.😁
Spenser, wake up, Colorado has 2 Big Noon games. FOX has already told you that the Buffs are one of the top draws. Buffs will have drawn more eyeballs than all teams in the PAC other than the PAC 12 Champion by season end.
@@rods5569 I’ll keep receipts. Happy to check back in with ratings. Week 3 is on ESPN versus CSU. Three nationally televised games to start the season. Buffs only need to win 2 of their first 3 games and they’ll rate all season long. Either way; FOX and ESPN programming department’s algorithms calculate ratings and have spoken… they are buying the Buffs in ratings. Let’s see if they can win some games.
From what is being reported there are only 7 group of 5 schools that have the possibility to move to power 5. 1.SMU 2. San Diego state 3. Colorado state 4. Tulane the other 3 are long shots at best. Memphis, UNLV, Bosie. The pac will invite San Diego state and SMU some time. But if the lose Colorado they will ad Colorado state if they lose Arizona they would add Tulane. 2 will be added to replace USC and UCLA. 3 or 4 if Colorado and or Arizona leave. All these other schools from group of 5 are out.
But they need to be invited to the big 10 . Will the big 10 reach out to Washington and Oregon? Washington and Oregon either get invited to big 10 or go independent if they do not sign a new grant of rights deal. If the grant of rights runs out June 30 2024 every school is a free agent
@@mollycaz1 Sure, but they will still try to salvage something. Maybe combine for 20-team super conference with the Big 12. With the pro-rata clause, they get a $31M full share.
@@mollycaz1 PAC is screwed but it is NOT the BIG that will come calling. Not the XII either. Wash, Ore & Stan are all worth too much for the XII. But the ACC which is making $20 Million MORE than anyone is reporting because they don't know how to READ a BASIC BALANCE SHEET and are uninformed about the ACCN Deal, COMCAST/XFINITY Deal, and/or the INVESTMENTS in their FUTURE the ACC has been making the last EIGHT YEARS to be READY for THIS EXACT MOMENT IN TIME. XII earns 2/3 of what ACC earns NOW and soon it will be 1/2 of what the ACC is going to make after expansion PAC erns 1/2 what the ACC earns NOW and their best Deal gets 1/4 what the ACC gets NOW
"Is shit show/shitshow two words or one?" It depends on whether the show is on linear or streaming. If it's linear it's a shit show, if it's streaming it's diarrhea.
The idea that Washington and Oregon might place a higher value on staying in the Pac-12 (than leaving for the Big Ten) because it's easier to get to the playoff is a myth. In the near future, to remain competitive for national championships will require recruiting and paying for top athletes (NIL), retaining top coaching staffs and plenty of exposure on linear TV. They absolutely know this is coming, and none of these things will be possible in a crippled Pac-12. Should the Big Ten make an offer, they'll leave on the spot.
BIG will not offer. ACC will. Money will be AS GOOD OR BETTER in the ACC.
Oregon Washington, Stanford, Baylor, Oklahoma St and 1 more will be in the ACC in 2 years announcement to follow this Fall.
Surely you know the PAC better than I do. Who is the most Valuable of these 3?
Arizona St, Utah or Colorado. Whoever it is will probably be the 6th Team.
Travel will NOT be an issue due to ACC scheduling format.
Eastern schools will only Travel WEST 1 time per year.
Western schools will only Travel EAST 2 times per year.
PAC schools will play each other every year and rotate through the Eastern Schools twice every 4 years and get to play Notre Dame some (not sure how often).
@@brucemercer7753 The ACC will not be able to offer the money that the Big Ten and the SEC will ($75 to $100 million per year). It's true that UW and UO are a cultural fit in the ACC, but the lack of competitive money and the three time zone difference are just too much to overcome. The possibility of Washington and Oregon joining the ACC is extremely unlikely. Today's ACC is like today's Pac-12: living on borrowed time.
@@valuedcustomer9614 You don;t have accurate information on the ACC Money situation. They are getting $20 Million MORE RIGHT NOW than what you are seeing reported.
They are at $66 Million in EARNINGS but spending a HUGE CHUNK of it to Fast-Track the Build of the ACC Network, but that is PIAD OFF like a Car Payment from a New Car after THIS YEAR.
And That $20 Million goes from EXPENSE to REVENUE INSTANTLY.
Plus the Expansion will add another $20 Million. This is all part of a PLAN set in motion when the last TV Deal was signed and the ACCN was created.
The MONEY is THERE and it is about to be MORE MONEY than the BIG# makes.
Even IF there was No additional money the $66 Millin is STILL THERE and that is THREE TIMES what the PAC is going to get and more than the BIG# is going to offer.
And the SEC is NOT going to make an offer.
Then you talk about Travel, but you don't understand the REALITY of the Travel.
ACC dropped Divisions to gets "Travel Friendly" for their Expansion Targets.
This is a PLAN from 7 or 8 years ago. Everything has been worked out to make this work.
Eastern teams will only Travel WEST 1 time per season.
Western teams will only travel EAST TWO times per season.
As long as the former PCA school schedule OTHER former PAC school and MWC and WAC schools etc in the OOC they will play 10 of their 12 games OUT WEST.
One has to assume that there has not been a media proposal that meets the conference's approval. I suppose that there is a possibility that there may not ever be an acceptable offer. Then what?
Sounds like, and Wilner has stated, there was a deal on table that was agreeable to most but not ALL (he lists Arizona) so it has been re-worked and now apparently Apple may be off the table.
GK has been trying to thread a tough needle here getting all 10 members happy to sign grant of rights.
Then the schools with more favorable options will pursue them.
At the end of PAC media days schools begin to move if no deal is found .
Hearing your ribs analogy at dinnertime just hits different
Hahahahhahaa that's my goal with such talk!
I’m sure each school has a representative that’s closely involved in the actual negotiations. I’ve negotiated with universities, and they always have some level of executive with their lawyers while negotiating.
With Disney and ESPN imploding in epic fashion, all those other deals everyone is bragging about may go awry. Not panicked at all. Highly suspect that this time next year, everything will be different.
FACTS:
Disney, the ESPN parent: Movie studios...failing. Parks: failing. Disney/ESPN streaming... 11+ billion in losses. Nothing in the pipeline is forecast to bring in positive cash flow. Disney went from 13+ billion in movie studio revenue in 2019 to below 4 billion now (> 75% decline). Its still declining.
ESPN signed those fat contracts... that depend on online subcribers of cable/sattelite viewers for revenue. ESPN had 100 million+ subscribers when they signed those contracts. It already dropped below 70 million (30% decline). Its now forecast to be 50 million or less in 1 to 2 years (50% + decline). Its why they refused any PAC12 deal.
By next year, the PAC10/12 may, and likely will be, sitting pretty while the floor falls out for ESPN and all those conferences/teams whose revenue source is headed to bankruptcy.
ESPN is highly profitable so it isn't going to collapse no matter how much you want it to.
While we're speculating, I'd remind everybody of all the rumors of Apple buying PAC12 content. It's also possible Apple will be the biggest purchaser of Disney/ESPN's liquidated products. If both happen, only the top games will be on TV and all the rest will be on streaming, regardless of the conference.
Edit: It should be noted, the B1G is safe from Disney doom.
The Mouse is too big to fail
@craigkirsch6750 False. Not true. Do your research. Their profits are based on subscribers. Revenue is steeply declining. They didn't just start massive layoffs because they are cash rich. More is coming. Plus, Disney has no choice but to take the cash they are making. They are required by law to pay their bills. Good luck with that theory.
@@1mrcow143 So was Blackberry, or IBM (a shell of what they were), or Sears, or AIG or Lehman Brothers, or Kmart, or WorldCom, or Arthur Anderson, etc, etc.
Disney is failing at every level and doing so epically and rapidly. Watch how this progresses. You seem to be new to this.
"Everything else is shots across the bow and yada yada." You're kinda touching on the idea of narrative which I don't think Kliavkoff is controlling right now.
No he's not controlling it at all
Hay Spencer if you need work after the PAC folds (we ) WVU are looking for a good Locked On personality. You can use me as a reference 😉 lol
Great show once again.
Hahahaha noted! Thanks for tuning in
🤥 There is a "Hard Deadline", which is the end of the existing contract! Any others are "Mere Distractions"! 🙄
Sure, but all ten aren't going to be there in a year without a deal signed.
Yep!
The real hard deadline will have been shortly before the first teams announce they are bolting to another P5 conference.
@@daveduncan2748 Correct BUT it is a P4 now
I was wondering if you were in town for the Allstar game. Man Julio put on a show. It also looked like the celebrity game was a blast.
I was, it was so much fun! Saw AS game today too. Both awesome
Kirk Schultz now head the executive board, this conference is done. He is a complete clown. SDSU is not going to get added anytime soon, deal wont be done before media days. Get used to it.
*heads
Ourand said around August 1st there will be an update on the media deal and nothing announced until around Labor Day. Six more long weeks until the PAC pushes it back to October.
There must be a reason certain presidents were picked as replacements on the Exc committee...
WSU pres as the chairman seems odd after learning how bad he's directed the university and their
finances.
There's a regular rotation, I believe
Face it Spencer..the PAC is finished. GK has played you all. All he us doing is rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.
As long as I have a front row seat!
Did the MWAC reply to SDSU's letter of intent to exit prior to SDSU rescinding its decision to leave? If the answer to that is No, MWAC probably has no genuine case to keep away SDSU from the conference while demanding exit money.
Can MWAC also honestly state that it has quickly adjusted its game schedule to account for SDSU's exit prior to the latter rescinding its intention or decision to exit? If the answer to that is no, can the conference honestly prove that its current position on SDSU is not born out of antagonism? I doubt it.
There's always a window for an entity to change its mind, as long as the other party has not made a decision for or to the contrary. Therefore, in my opinion, MWAC has no case against SDSU because its "kicking" out SDSU may not be ruled interpretational. The latter can actually establish a case against the former.
Quick question! Did AZ change its DC? I just saw that in every loss they had last year (2022) that D gave up a minimum of 31 points (39 vs Miss St. , 49 v Cal, OR and WA, 45 v USC and Utah, 31 to WA St.) now that is bad defense. Getting 4 and 5 star defensive players is great but if the DC is the same so will be the results. Oh before I forget, I wonder what coach Jedd Fisch told the kid with regard to which conference AZ will be playing in starting in 2024? What do I mean by that? See his recent interview on his thoughts on realignment and where AZ will be once it shakes out.😁
As always, I'll have an answer
Spenser, wake up, Colorado has 2 Big Noon games. FOX has already told you that the Buffs are one of the top draws. Buffs will have drawn more eyeballs than all teams in the PAC other than the PAC 12 Champion by season end.
@@rods5569 I’ll keep receipts. Happy to check back in with ratings. Week 3 is on ESPN versus CSU. Three nationally televised games to start the season. Buffs only need to win 2 of their first 3 games and they’ll rate all season long. Either way; FOX and ESPN programming department’s algorithms calculate ratings and have spoken… they are buying the Buffs in ratings. Let’s see if they can win some games.
TCU/Nebraska/The Deion Sanders sideshow. That's the draw Fox is tapping into. The Colorado football team just happens to be there.
Deion has them on those games, you can't guarantee he's there come 2028
@@LockedOnCollegeFootball can’t guarantee anything for 2028? I mean absolutely nothing.
From what is being reported there are only 7 group of 5 schools that have the possibility to move to power 5. 1.SMU 2. San Diego state 3. Colorado state 4. Tulane the other 3 are long shots at best. Memphis, UNLV, Bosie. The pac will invite San Diego state and SMU some time. But if the lose Colorado they will ad Colorado state if they lose Arizona they would add Tulane. 2 will be added to replace USC and UCLA. 3 or 4 if Colorado and or Arizona leave. All these other schools from group of 5 are out.
What if Wash and Oregon leave?
@@daveduncan2748 if Washington and Oregon leave then the PAC12 is screwed .
But they need to be invited to the big 10 . Will the big 10 reach out to Washington and Oregon? Washington and Oregon either get invited to big 10 or go independent if they do not sign a new grant of rights deal. If the grant of rights runs out June 30 2024 every school is a free agent
@@mollycaz1 Sure, but they will still try to salvage something. Maybe combine for 20-team super conference with the Big 12. With the pro-rata clause, they get a $31M full share.
@@mollycaz1 PAC is screwed but it is NOT the BIG that will come calling. Not the XII either. Wash, Ore & Stan are all worth too much for the XII.
But the ACC which is making $20 Million MORE than anyone is reporting because they don't know how to READ a BASIC BALANCE SHEET and are uninformed about the ACCN Deal, COMCAST/XFINITY Deal, and/or the INVESTMENTS in their FUTURE the ACC has been making the last EIGHT YEARS to be READY for THIS EXACT MOMENT IN TIME.
XII earns 2/3 of what ACC earns NOW and soon it will be 1/2 of what the ACC is going to make after expansion
PAC erns 1/2 what the ACC earns NOW and their best Deal gets 1/4 what the ACC gets NOW
Is shit show/shitshow two words or one? Maybe it’s hyphenated?
"Is shit show/shitshow two words or one?"
It depends on whether the show is on linear or streaming. If it's linear it's a shit show, if it's streaming it's diarrhea.
Spencer, have you been thinking about harming yourself or others? ;-)
No lol