Dune: C.H.O.A.M. & Rise of the Empire
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- In the Dune universe, CHOAM is the largest single source of wealth in the universe. The Combine Honnete Ober Advancer Mercantiles, abbreviated as CHOAM controls all economic affairs across the universe. Choam like everyone else relies upon the spacing guild for faster than light transport. Choam touched nearly every product moved by the guild from technology to the spice melange. Many of the great and minor houses depended upon the profits of Choam, and an enormous portion of those profits depended upon the most valued commodity in the universe, the spice Melange, which extended life, heightened awareness and was necessary to space travel.
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I'm binge-watching this channel. Hard times lately so Dune is my healthy escapism of choice.
You know what they say: The more things change...
Andrew Matseshe I agree
Time to revisit it Andy!
cut and paste. did you predict 2020?
A very good decision young pup
It makes so much sense, it is what is happening today too with monopolization through big tech and politicians getting shares and special counselor positions within the corporations after their political terms. We are seeing the formation CHOAM in our own world, really prophetic and shows Frank Herbert knew humanity. We need the Worm God Emperor to save us from ourselves.
I don’t know anything about this Quinn guy but the way I listen to him tell herberts universe makes me remember how Herbert warned us about charismatic leaders.. it’s the utmost complement I can think of in his work my friend, well done keep it up I can’t stop listening, and because of you I know this universe better then I could have ever hoped for ✊
Paul: "I'm bout to ruin this man's whole career."
Stillgar: "Which man would that be, Muad'Dib?"
Paul: "Yes."
My brother comes now," Alia said. "Even an Emperor may tremble before Muad'Dib, for he has the strength of righteousness and heaven smiles upon him.
Always loved this part of the Dune mythology. Such complex interplay over long periods of time. Would love to see a video on the fraufreluches specifically, as it ties in closely with the Major and Minor Houses structure.
I first read Dune in 1974 at the suggestion of my high school english teacher after she saw I was reading Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land". I went on to read all of Frank Herbert's subsequent books but could not really appreciate his son Brian's follow on books in this series. I think your work here is excellent and like it very much. You seem to know more than I could ever hope to know without you to present it. Great work and don't stop. Liked and subscribed.
I felt the same way about Brian's books. It just seemed to hamfisted to me. I liked Frank's purposeful vagueness. It was a story about Humanity not so much technology, I think Brian focused to much on the latter.
Heinlein’s one of the best. His dialogue is a bit cringe, but he had an understanding of human nature not seen in his contemporaries, excepting Herbert, but Herbert seemed more focused on the mystical and religious rather than the psychological.
This guy is a treasure
My English teacher did the same in 1984!
@@happyhammer1 Every author has their own window with which they see the world. I think it would have done themselves and the property a disservice to try and emulate Frank's style.
CHOAM=Haliburton meets Amazon
Lol, yep our own Weyland-Yutani
Coam is Amerzon ultermant goal.
Planet of the Atheists “halaburton”?? Someone has been drinking the liberal kool aid ... it’s puny
OPEC
Combined Halliburton Onto Amazon Mercantiles
Always explode with joy whenever I see any video of yours on Dune. Thank you for such great content!
Siphesihle Dlokolo this.
The down votes must've been cut off from their spice connect.
You inspired me to re-read the Dune series for the first time in 30+ years. I've been taking my time and really getting into it. These books were great in High School, but man they are on a whole new level this time. I missed so much the first 2 times I read them. My advice, don't speed read! Love your history lesson CHOAM it helps put it all into perspective.
Dune and its saga's hold a dear place in my heart, your information was a delight to listen to. Thank you!
2:37 Nike confirmed as winner of the brand wars and the economic ruler of the future.
Amazon...by far.
Or Google.
The spice must flow!
*sponsored by Nike
After the discovery of the sea-routes to the Indies the Dutch merchants and investors would compete and undercut prices for their valuable spices. This stopped after the founding of the VOC (United East-Indian company). This company had a state-sponsored monopoly on all trade in the far East. With these advantages they wrested controll of the spice-rich islands from the Portuguese and became the first international mega corporation.
Nice work! Looking very forward to the new Villeneuve-directed Dune! The cast alone has me really excited and knowing what Villeneuve is capable of just adds to the excitement! (The story of C.H.O.A.M would make a great movie all by itself.)
5:30 - Great Cthulhu's tentacles, that's one fucking ENORMOUS Guild Navigator.... is it ever indicated anywhere in the books that the Navigators ARE actually capable of getting THAT BIG? I mean, I know their constant lifelong exposure to high-quality Melange gas gradually mutates them to the point that by the height of their careers as Navigators, they need permanent Suspensor Field support since any remaining regular human features are by then vestigial and temporary. Without the confines of a standard human frame, their bodies can, and often do, grow quite a bit larger.
But even then, if they're depicted as bigger than normal human size at all, they're usually shown to be about the size of something like a medium-sized cetacean - my personal favorite is this one: cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/000/181/090/large/simon-dubuc-guildnavigatorstages.jpg?1409115859
Even the giant flying dog shit with the creepyass webbed face and vaguely-but-still-unnervingly-sexual mouth from David Lynch's nightmares looks to only be about 12 or so feet long...
So I can't help but wonder what the artist of this picture was imagining must've happened to make this poor Navigator grow to the size of a 2-storey HOUSE!
A really good video! I’ve recently read the first three Dune books and your knowledge has greatly helped me unravel and interpret the plot!
Do you have a copy of the Dune Encyclopedia? If so, could you do a book review of it? There is none on RUclips.
I'd like a video explaining why then emperor Paul was powerless to stop the Jihad. He could defeat the Padisha Emperor and Harkonnens combined but not control his own armies?
Paul and Leto II both saw the "Golden Path"; Leto II enacted it when no other option that preserved the human race was available to his vision. Paul could have become "The Worm" ...
Jihadist we're fanatics. wild fanatics will do things in the name of a religion or person, Paul in this case, the leader or leaders can barely control them. After all they are fanatics who believe that their cause is just
To kill a man is easy, to control him is another thing entirely.
Your videos are always such a pleasure sir thank you.
What was the Empire like BEFORE discovering Arakkis? How did the perform FTL travels without Spacing Guild and the Spice?
Monopolies always herald cultural stagnation.
@The Modern Stoic Monarchies grew off of conquest and colonization. It's easy to prop up a bad system with waves of resources and slaves. The fact that they did showed that their systems were failing at home. Otherwise they wouldn't have needed to. Stimulus = response.
@The Modern Stoic I'm guessing you are the one that hasn't read much. Stop picking fights online and go look up the East India Trading Company, the opium wars, the crusades, Byzantium, the Roman Empire, the Persians, the Babylonians, Egypt, or literally any other kingdom since the dawn of fucking history. Ignorance isn't a good look for you dear.
@The Modern Stoic What you call "Cherry picking" composes most of the entire history of humanity. I could name more but I am not going to give you a libraries worth of god damn history. Now would you kindly fuck off? The comment is a god damn year old and you're whineing about it. We get it. You're a conservative, or a capitalist, or some kind of idiot maga apologist. Now go the fuck away.
Where the hell have I been?
Your videos are fantastic. I also love the artwork. It really breathes more life into your videos. Well done. :-)
How the hell did I get here from listening to Japanese pop music?
I was watching how sand is made.
This is way better.
Finish the book summaries! I loved that shit. I had dabbled in Dune, but watching your Ultimate Guide up to part 3 really allowed me to appreciate the genius at work here. Love it.
The name CHOAM always makes me uncomfortable.
Always enjoy these, adds to my knowledge and appreciation of the Dune universe. Thanks!
You should cover the Great Scattering
Sam, I would suspect that's coming. It needs to start with the idea that the Worm could see possible futures, and he (like his father Paul) could see that humans were almost certainly doomed. There was one possible future, which they dubbed The Golden Path, which avoided that end. To bring about the Golden Path, one of them had to wear the worm, and live for 30 thousand years, and hold back and contain and stymie all development during that time. When he died, it was like a champagne cork. Mankind scattered, and only by scattering, could we finally be so widely distributed that no one event or threat could end humanity.
Then, after a time, some people from the scattering, came back....
The Scattering happens between God Emperor and Heretics, and it's made pretty clear very quickly that the Honoured Matres and other "Lost Ones" are not simply returning to the Imperium, but stumbled upon it while they fled in terror from their own known worlds and territories in simply staggering numbers.
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sam hinchee totally the scatteri g n the famine times hell even do letos whole reign as god emperor
Try THREE thousand years. Not 30.
Agreed. It's a subject of mystery.
If only people had listened to Choam Nomsky…
The background music used in Quinn's Dune lore videos should absolutely be adapted into the current movies! Its canon in my head lmao
Nothing spoils the atmos of this vid like cutting off mid-sentence and getting an ad for Cillit Bang. 😒
Linked-in. Fucking advertising about marketing.
I got a Sketchers ad
I don’t get adds my accounts take money from my bank and notify me as happening an before so I always am aware
Why the heck is there so much dislikes? This video was great :)
Haters gonna hate.
the general population of the earth has low IQs, that's why.
Šimon Pinkas 507 likes, 14 dislikes... MANY DISLIKES? What are you talking about?
Agreed. Fucking idiots.
I don't know, but I'm genuinely curious as to the specific reasons why people dislike videos
He who controls oil controls the world ....Herbert was a genius
The Oil must flowwwww.
Actually it the Earth Gold
Blood of civilization. Read Blood for Oil; The Quest for Fuel in WWII.
Water.
@Anti-Federalist 1776 that's not fair, the Asians were only set back by imperial conflicts and have been at least on par with us for the supermajority of history, and the Native Americans had no decently domesticable animal to substitute to be a beast of burden, so their wheel wasn't as useful, plus they had the Aztecs to deal with...
What I'm amazed by is the Arabs, as their intelligence and notable culture is barely below those of the best (86-92 vs 96-105 IQ) yet they developed a religion (with some help) so backwards that they: burnt the refurbished Library of Alexandria (Caesar burnt down one of the buildings housing texts, many of which had backups) because the books were either superfluous to the Qur'an or heresy; started more global conflicts than Austria; are still stoning gays, women who show too much skin, women who are raped, women who complain that women are being stoned, people who follow the wrong fairytale, people who follow the right fairytale but not hard enough, etc.; and so much other dumb shit. I mean seriously why can't they be more like their cousins: the Hebrews/Israelites? I mean, yes the Jews have fucked up beliefs (male genital mutilation) and have subverted more nations than the CIA, but They aren't as bad as (quite) the Muslims...
High quality and nerd-level detail, as always.
came here to get away from the debacle that was S8E5 of Game of Thrones last night. Herbert is always a welcomed distraction especially when a monumentally bad ending of one of the greatest modern shows is only 6 days away. What would Paul do, hmmm
Love this vid. So well put together, great images and music.
So CHOAM is like OPEC?
I think that is what Frank Herbert had in mind when he wrote the original books.
How the xxx did CHOAM survive the scattering? (And I know the answer will not be canonical)Thanks
Great job! I love the way you perform the narration.
what are the graphics from? excellent video.
many sources...you can find many of these artist on the DeviantArt site
Thr know universe relies on monopolies in everything from religion to trade makes no sense they are human competitor's would always arise in all things
Awesome video, as usual!
Though we don't always agree about taste (I didn't like Foundation or Avalon, for example) it's always a pleasure to watch your content!
For your consideration (Other series to make videos about):
- The CULTURE series by Iain Banks: utopian science fiction society, with lots of deeper thoughts, vast world builing and character developement, some unique concepts. My favorite sci-fi, parallel to Dune, and sadly somewhat uderrated, I believe.
- The DYING EARTH by Jack Vance (and other, even GRRM wrote for an anthology in this world): one of the great classics, quirky, vast world, very pulpy, but intriguing.
- The HYPERION CANTOS: I'm just starting to read it, but i think it might have potential.
... I'd love to see your takes on the DARK SOULS series, but it's another medium entirely, so i doubt it would be up your alley... maybe the WITCHER, or DISCWORLD?
Perhaps Asimov's Robot Novels too?
or Morecock's Elric of Melinbone series
Funny thing is that the name means something like Honest Company to Make Advance Commerce.
Music on the background: Air Prelude - Kevin MacLeod
c.h.o.a.m. China's holdings on America's manufacturing
My friend and I appreciate the hard work and quality you put into these videos!!! Your videos were one of the ways I introduced my friend to the Dune series. I couldn't describe the rich details and complexity of Frank Herbert's world in the same way you do in these videos. I never could find many artworks that closely resembled what I imagined when reading Dune until I watched these videos. I don't know where you get these images, but with them all put together its fantastic.
Love this guys voice
Ok so I'm a Warhammer 40k lore fan and I've just learned of dune lately. What the heck?? Did 40k rip off everything from dune or what?
yes
I was always curious, at some point, spice melange addicted humans Vs non spice users must have come at war. Only after a war or policy, it could be acceptable to use spice - after all it is seen as a type of addiction. Would love to hear more on this 🙂
Look at today's earth... why do people dislike each other so much? ideology? history of perceived and real slights and losses!
If an injury is to be inflicted on an enemy, it is to be so severe, that the enemy’s retaliation need not be feared. - Niccolò Machiavelli
We have forgotten this fact in our desire to be "good", even to our enemies.
The reason is Power. Always has been.
I love this channel, which delves into the complexity of Dune and outlines all the threads in an understandable way. Does anyone know the name of the music that plays during this CHOAM vid? It is so evocative
Did the discovery of spice occur before or after the jihad?
Great video I am on the second book right now very informative
You're doing a great job with these Dune videos. Don't get discouraged by those who have given you grief for things like pronunciation, etc. This is a fictional world that is subject to interpretation. If not conforming to some fanboy's or fangirl's expectation is causing them to get bent out of shape they need to check their attitude. Let them put in the time and effort to do their own if they think they can do it better.
Tell a story about Giedi Prime.
Love these Dune Videos Very Entertaining! 👍👍
Harkonnen drop ship. It folds space like a boss. -Ready Player One
Dime...
Another BRILLIANT video !!! Awesome!!
I would like to know about the space ships of Dune and there abilities in combat if that's every gone over
Given that the Guild has a monopoly on interstellar travel, and given that they forbid violence of any kind aboard Heighliners, I would guess that there was no space combat in the Corrino Empire.
Interesting, but I would still think it would happen I can't see a house planet leaving it's space unguarded to be so easily invaded. Crazy to think it didn't exist
+Chad “Dendrous” Boerma I still doubt it. They could, but how could they guarentee that those weapons would never be used against the Guild? It seems like a recipe for getting one's Guild privileges revoked.
There's also the issue of coordinating space combat without computers.
The space combat without computers wouldn't be that hard if you did it ship broadside fire with straight fire weapons or missiles.I don't disagree with your guild comment but the navigators can come off the ships if I remember correctly so it would be a fly into the system standard travel while the guild leaves then fight vs system guard ships and invaders. But I don't remember ever running into this in the books of course I've only read dune and the children so was hoping this guy could clarify and in the children paul comments about the emperors ship to ground combat drills.
+Chad “Dendrous” Boerma I don't doubt that it's possible, but it seems risky and difficult. Maybe IOIAF knows something I don't.
Appropriately dramatic. Thank you again.
Have you read The Wheel of Time series, Ideas?
I love everything Dune!
These summaries are very good. Thanks.
Love your videos! I've always been a huge Dune fan and there's just so little content out there for us. Thank you!
A most grand state monopoly.
nicely described, you should have continued.
these bedtime stories - LOVE the narrations!
@2.36 is that picture of the Emperor wearing a Nike top???
CHOAM and Nike are the big corporations in the Dune universe.
"The spice must flow so just do it!"
Great video but I’ve always been confused what their name actually means 😂
In the Warner Bros Villeneuve saga...there is no mention of CHOAM. Allegedly they banned the word for the Dune movie.
Is the English alphabet still exist Dune? If not, then why an abbreviation like C.H.O.A.M. exist?
Capitalism In Spaacce!
Yay! Another great IOIAF Dune video!
Never got why choam was necessary? Why wouldn’t the Spacing guild and the noble houses just just take their power?
Nice cameo by the Sulaco at :56. LOL
The image at 5:00 looks like a bunch of larpers and some are really into it but there's one or two guys complaining, like "Are we really doing this? Feels silly, being on a spaceship with a barbarian king ya know?" "
Love your content, old and new. If I win the lottery, I’ll make a generous contribution to your channel & yourself. Bless 🙏🏽
@10:00 when the BGM switched up I immediately thought of Mike Korzemba lol
Would have been much cooler if they where called C.H.O.D.E and not C.H.O.M.E !
What is the meaning of "geriatric qualities" of melange? It is that melange slows down your aging process?
That pic at 2:05 is badass, where did you find it?
Any plans on finishing the dune series?
Why did you put art of star wars on a dune video? It’s art from the foundation of the Republic (only in one point)
What does the CHOAM trades except Melange and technology? Are there any other goods worth trading?
Well done and thank you
Chom it s comunism aka globalism marx the socialist explain in books ..what is comunism ;).. it s coca cola lol
Flag of choam strikingly like a hybrid of japan and german’s flag
I want to learn more about Saudir I, which book has the most info about him?
Anyone know how to get Dune Encyclopedia or a hardcover for books 2-6? Seems like they’ve been out of print for 20+ years
you can probably find them if you are willing to pay your bodys weights worth in spice
And this is why it's hard to just ignore the Brian Herbert/Kevin Anderson material. The writing lacks much of the vision Frank Herbert had for this universe and there's a lot of contradiction … but stuff like this helps flesh out the universe and makes a lot of sense: Interstellar and trade being dangerous, a young Guild that wants to monopolize safe space travel, and an emperor who wants to secure (and control) his empire, and ensure his family's position by ensuring everyone was interdependent upon the status quo… something which suited him, suited the Guild, and suited the grreat noble houses.
If a noble house began to threaten the emperor, things would happen to correct the problem. The Atreides were one such family. Too popular too quickly. And they had an enmity with the Baron Harkonnen and his house … The perfect tool of the Emperor, particularly since the Harkonnen had been seen as worthy enough to manage affairs on Arrakis. Just one major product comes from Arrakis, but oh such an important one!
Thx, man!
Enjoyable as ever.
CHOAM in many ways is more akin to the Banal or Manor system of the medieval era Europe mixed with modern economic ideas.
Much like Faufreluches
Is like medieval system of feudalism.
Except the Lord of the Manor doesn't own the village green, the Miller, and forest. He owns the entire planet.
Funny to see so many non-Dune artwork.... Early Galactic Senate from Star Wars, the United Empire throne room from Endless Space, and a couple of others....
So spice melange obviously plays a huge role in the entire universe, a universe that is apparently incredibly wealthy, why then was Arrakis relatively underdeveloped? In the books it appeared that many of the spice mining machines were in disrepair or there was a threat of not having enough. Also there were issues as to the stability of the planet. How was this an issue? It seems like given the importance of the spice that no expense would have been spared. Just look at the expected cost of some of these buildings on some of these planets or the heighliners.
These videos are awesome! :) I enjoy the images a lot, they are beautiful, but you should make a podcast with the audio so we can hear the content on the go! Keep up with this great work!
I don't remember most of this from the six books. It seems too realistic to have come from the pen of Brian. Did you get it from the six books, or from interviewins with Frank? Or whence? Thank you for answer.
I thought CHOAM was like the John Deere of space. Color me wrong. Sounds like they make everything from copters to toothpaste.
This is so interesting