80/20 Saltwater Fish Quarantine Phase 2... An Extra Step to Treat Brook & Uronema? Ep: 7
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- It's time to take your saltwater fish quarantine skills to Phase 2! Continuing on from last week's Phase 1, where Ryan and Elliot introduced the 80/20 QT to treat for ich and marine velvet, Phase 2 involves one extra step to cover your new fish from brooklynella as well as uronema. It's as easy as that!
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00:00 - Quarantine Series Episode 07
00:10 - What is Brook?
01:53 - Brook not affected by Copper. Treat with Formalin
03:44 - What is Uronema?
06:43 - Prevention QT for Brook and Uronema
07:38 - Formalin Bath During Water Change
09:13 - Caveats and Stipulations to Brook and Uronema
11:14 - Formalin bath is stressful
12:36 - Formalin not the only solution, just the most effective.
13:51 - Feeding Metro for Uronema
15:18 - Phase 2 Conclusions 
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I also would like to see this in some sort of outline or document. I get what you guys are saying but it’s hard to put it all together into the correct order because there is a some bouncing around when taking about what to do. Can you guys make a graphic or just an outline with the proper order on how to do phase 1 and 2?
I mentioned this on a Instagram post but figured I'd say it here...
Not doing a proper QT or paying someone is one of the most significant reasons I've seen people exit the hobby over the past 20yrs. I appreciate the knowledge shared of how... it gives me a better understanding of when I pay someone else to do it.
For me it's like cabinet work, I can do it and I've done it. At this point I'd rather pay someone else to do the job right (now that I know what that is) and free up my time to do what I'm good at.
An excellent video gents, watched the entire thing! Elliot just makes treating fish seem so simple! I wish I had a tenth of his knowledge with fish and disease!
This is a great video series. Found it by accident out of order but really informative.
Great series guys! I hope this will continue with quarantine protocols (passive/active/prophylactic) for corals and inverts as well. I'm pretty confident in my fish & coral procedures, but much less confident about whether nasties might hitchhike along with inverts.
I quarantine them for 76 days, but that won't stop uronema from catching a ride. Every other malady on our watch list will be eradicated by that fallow period, but something I don't know enough about is which infections if any, might be able to sustain themselves on inverts. I know even less about safe and effective treatment methods for inverts.
Will it be possible to download all these steps in a document we can read or we need to document by watching the video 15 times. Lol
For now, it's available in video form only, but once all of the episodes are available, we can probably put together a written guide 🙂
@@BRStv please do! Loving this series
When is the next video???? Been patiently waiting up until now
I've used Formalin successfully since 1988 for external protozoa, quinine is hit or miss metro and quaziprantel is always something I do for both fresh and saltwater fish. Formalin seems to work even better mixed with copper sulfate.
I use Formalin too. Wear a mask and gloves. Very effective. Never seen disease in my tanks for years..
this is really great. is there any way we could get a write up day by day with instructions of what to do.
What happened to episode 8 on flukes? I'm not seeing it.
I plan get a fish tank and not have fish in it for long time, just feed cleanup crew and corals, then when I ready for a fish I can keep it in a small fish only tank before it go in my reef tank 😊🐶
What about using other producs that have Formalin as an ingredient such as Rally to do your dip before going in the copper qt?
I wish i would be able to get a good video on black ick treatment
How about Blue Life Safety Stop - Part A (green) instead of the formalin bath?
If I use a Rubbermaid barrel to mix the copper water can I just clean it out and use it for mixing salt water for another tank, shouldn’t be used for other purposes after?
How do you feel about cleaning the QT tank and equipment with some mild bleach? (of course thoroughly rinse afterwards)
Ah nevermind. 9:33 mentions bleaching tanks. So not something he wouldn't consider.
When they say to clean the tank with fresh water do they mean tap water or RODI water?
I’m new to marine fish. We are just transferring from freshwater. In the QT regimen we used for freshwater you wouldn’t feed for about the first 4 days bc of the treatment of internal parasites. In this QT method, especially with no biological filter, how often do you feed?
Does fresh water baths work for fairy's and flasher wrasse when they arrive from transport? And does the PH in freshwater bath have to match Before you do a dip? Thanks
When is the next video in the series coming out!?!! Been waiting to tramway flukes.
Tomorrow 😉
how do i catch the fish and move it to quarantine tank then? they always hide in live rock when i try to catch it.
When you fill the tank with fresh water between water changes can you use tap water or would you recommend RO or maybe distilled water from the store?
I only have so many buckets
Tap water is better I like to think the chloramine/chlorine in my city water helps disinfect the tank a bit as well and shock/kill any trophonts
Why are you using metroplex??
When is the next video? I am still waiting for it for almost 1 month...
Currently scheduled for release this upcoming Friday 🙂
Would a UV Sterilizer be effective in anyway with this treatment? Possibly preventing the cycle from restarting? Using Metroplex to irritate the parasite and bring it to a free floating stage so that UV Sterilizer could eradicate any further stages of disease?
These treatments on their own should be sufficient if therapeutic levels are maintained.
What's the Prazipro for? I didn't hear it mentioned in the video.
PraziPro is most typically used to treat for flukes and some internal worms.
Where is the next video?
Coming soon 🙂
So, if I'm going to be adding a school of chromis I should do phase 1 completely, then do phase 2 or do them at the same time?
If you have fish that are prone to uronema, like chromis, do phase 2 first, then phase 1.
When does phase 3 drop?
No exact date yet, but Elliot will be back here soon to continue with this series 🙂
Hey guys, when are we going to cover fluke? I have 8 in quarantine for the next 2 weeks
Soon!
@@BRStv still waiting on phase 3. Thank you
I just had to wait one more day
What about chloroquine phosphate? It will cure all 4 diseases and is far less harsh than copper
They comment on it @ 13:11
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@@BRStv Can you remove all the fish and let the tank sit over a period of time to kill brook ??
Formalin is used to embalm the deceased at a funeral home
Only in countries that have this weird tradition of poisoning their dead though. 😂
I guess the rest of us are satisfied with death and don't need to make double sure the bastards don't come back.
I did a 1mL formalin per 1 gallon RODI formalin bath with 3 Green Chromis for 3 min, after going into the QT Tank they all died within 20 minutes. Of note, 1 of them showed a bit red, probably uronema, before the bath, after dying the red was very visually apparent on 2 of them. Also of note, they seemed pretty messed up after the bath, like, I would almost say they were blind. But not sure, in any case they were acting real weird.
I then did it again, using 0.3 to 0.4 mL per gallon on 3 new Green Chromis for 3 min. They seemed to be much better in QT than the previous batch, so I decided to walk away and let them sit overnight. In the morning, all 3 were dead. Of note, none of these 3 showed any red after death. Also of note, while they acted much better than the previous 3, they still seemed off after going into QT tank. Like when you put your hand up to the glass normally Chromis bolt, but these did not, again, almost like they were blind and couldn’t see me.
Not saying formalin is the wrong approach, but I am fairly certain these levels for 3 min will kill Chromis. Also of note, I tend to go with the smallest ones I can get. So perhaps bigger fish would handle these levels better? I may also mis understand the instructions, am I supposed to be mixing the formalin with salt water or RODI? Because based on these videos it sounded like it was supposed to be done in place of the fresh water bath, so I assumed it goes in fresh water. If not, you guys should correct the video so it is clear what is supposed to be used.
Edit: Update: found the BRS written directions, and yes the formalin is supposed to be done with saltwater. So, I tried this again with 3x green chromis at 0.6mL per gallon of 37% formalin with 10-15% menthol, 3 min bath. They looked pretty dazed in the QT tank, which is 10 gallon with pvc, air stone, no copper. 1 died within 20 min, the next about an hour, and the last after several hours, all of them acting pretty funny after the bath, like I say, almost like they were blind.
Tried again with 3 chromis, this time doing 0.3mL per gallon formalin. Again 3 min bath. Again, 1 died pretty quick in QT tank after like maybe 20 min, the next after about an hour, the next after a couple hours.
Its possible that I am not aerating the formalin enough, I have an air stone in there going full blast, but I am adding the formalin and then about 10min later I am putting the fish in, maybe it needs more time to settle and get oxygen back in there or a larger air stone.
But for me, I am either not going to use formalin anymore or I will use it more like a 5 second dip rather than several minute bath. That at least removes the oxygen angle. If they still wind up all messed up I think I am just done with formalin altogether. I will do tank transfer and copper, and just accept uronema and brook are getting in the tank.
Update, tried 1 more time, I think I figured it out. A much bigger air stone, and I added the formalin, and then let the water sit with the airstone going for about 30 minutes before putting fish in there.
The chromis seem fine after a 3 minute bath this time, in a couple days I will do another 30 minute bath between water changes and see how they do.
Edit: Update: they all died overnight. At this point I am skipping the formalin, its not worth it.
I guess something could be wrong in my QT tank, as they died overnight where previous it was like an hour.
But I am clearly doing something wrong at some stage of this, and Uronema is a smaller problem than every fish I touch dying.
Stop buying and killing chromis, its clear they can't handle the medication at all
Formalin is added to a separate container of fresh SALT water and fish is left in there for 30 min. Nowhere do they mention adding formalin to RO water dip…