Honestly I did not expect golden hermit at all after MSA kicked the bucket, truly a shame we will never see a return for any of those characters though tbf
The most surprising TF that we've gotten in months and he's still completely garbage lololol I was so happy when I saw him get warp immune because that would have actually made him kinda viable on starred aliens and then I remembered Miter Saw and Catellite. And the idea of a point-blank anti black tanker with weak rapid attacks - a typing famous for stupidly high damage, high KB count and rebound effects - is literally stupid. What is wrong with you PONOS.
I'm aware the Iron Legion units are based on the Metal Slug style of mech designs, but its pretty bad when the OG's are worse than the "bootlegs". Also, behemoth stones and no Behemoth Slayer? Really?
There is some logic behind giving him Target Black: they are easy to knock back and give a ton of cash, so Huge Hermit kinda fits in there with his specs. Requiring Green and Blue stones is dumb, though: Hi-Do and Jupiter King got much better TFs and they only require standard Catfruits. Maybe the extra Trait is the reason: Morden only got Target Traitless, yet he needs a Yellow stone for it...
maybe black looks like a good choice, but that’s only if you look at their high knockback count, their huge dps with obliterate most units, for reference, gamereon tanks blacks and he has over 1mil effective hp and he is midranged, there is no way a frontiline unit with less than 200k dps can tank blacks. Black enemies are also swarmy, so not having area attacks makes it so he won’t be able to get them off of him or to push, making him even worse against them, giving him black target was surely the worst thing they could’ve done, especially since many better counters exist. So, overall, if PONOS was actually trying to make him good, there’s no excuse for giving him this target, they likely just put it as filler on his TF.
@@DuDoo553 I said "some logic", after all. Actually, he seems built Gestalt, Decay, where there are both Alien and Black enemies and he can keep knocking them back with his fast attacks. The problem is that he doesn't have the stats and abilities to work beyond early game even if one ignores better units like Miter Saw and Dark Lazer. Being a very old unit comes with a lot of issues, sadly. It's not like mosf of the other traits would've worked: Floating, Angel and Traitless are too fierce for him, Relic and Aku are completely out of the question amd Red has been powercrept to death. Only Metal and Zombies could be viable for him. I don't think he should be compared with Gamereon since the two have different roles. "not having area attack" He does have area attack, though.
@@DiceDsx mb, he does have area attack, also I get you said just some logic but I felt that if ponos actually wanted to make him good they should’ve done anything else. He would have worked on anything else better than black, even relic and aku(he might want surge immune for aku and obv curse immune for relics). I compared him to gamereon because their role isn’t exactly the same, but it’s about tanking blacks anyway. I don’t feel like this argument is very relevant, we both agree on most of the stuff about this guy.
Saying that is an insult to Nobiluga, like yeah it's not a good unit but at least he has some niche value in terms of huge piercing range and crazy low cost, huge hermit has absolutely nothing that puts it above other options
@@Marshall.R maybe. but giving 70k total base HP and the worst possible trait target to a frontline tank who costs 3750 is a TF on par with reducing Nobiluga's cooldown to 3 min. does nothing to help the unit's main weakness, and doesn't really improve the reward for playing around those weaknesses 2250 cost on Nobi is nice tho
honestly, as someone who is a huge fan of both games, i ask for help cuz a wizard turned me into an industrual sized fan and i don't know how to turn back D:
Golden Units : United Front . It's surprising to say the least , that Ponos decided to make True Forms for the Collab Units in MSD Collab. Without a doubt , it could need any arrangements . . Like new attack animations just like in MSA.
Okay, i have a theory about the Cretaceous sixorrex(how ever you sepll it) So we know that it uses a bun bun skull as a shell, and obvuiosly it couldn't take down the prehistoric bun bun species, so how did it get the skull? Does it find deceased bunbuns to take the skull, or does something alot stronger have to kill them?
if ubers added around his time could get stuff like +60% stats for their TFs, there really isn't a reason for him to not get those stat boosts. 70k base hp for a 3750 cost melee tank is a joke.
remove black typing and add one more focused upgrade on his anti-alien niche. it can be another defensive ability (immunity or dodge), debuff ability (weaken, kb, etc) or just more stats upgrade (HP Up, DMG Up, Cost down, etc)
can you explain more about tier? I mean when I think about the description isn't it worse than C-tier? (or this tier is the lowest of your tier) *really true when you mention farming Behemoth Stone in Newbie I can feel the struggle defending the base from the wild dog before getting a courier cat in my past year
This is the rough explanation: - S~SSS tier: The meta unit. Contains units that are considered as the best of the best. These units are the ones that are gonna carry you hard through the whole game - A tier: Specialist tier. Contains units that are generally good that what's their role. - B tier. Serve as the middle point. Units on this tier have a clear role but can't jump to higher tier due to lack of definitive values or suffer from too many weakness - C tier. Underwhelming units. They tend to be replaceable by general units or just simply too painful to use. But there is some specific way to use them in stages - D tier. The real garbage. You gain nothing from their existence
I put HUGE HERMIT on C- tier because of how easily he is being replaced by regular units without adding much to the team. It also doesn't have strong value in general. However, it still has some pretty good utility if you manage to unlock it early in the game. Most notably is Blue Planet
Honestly it would've been more disappointing if this made Huge Hermit worth using. With Mola King getting its glowup, it's refreshing to see we still have one of our meme units as terrible as it always was.
Better true form especially for requiring behemoth stones shouldve been just alien with 100% hp increase instead of 30%, 50% damage increase, knockback and warp immunities, and lower cost to about 2500-3000.
WHAT? Usable old Collab Uber Jumpscare? I mean yeah, he's pretty outclassed VS Black, but him being tankier Miter Saw Cat is quite nice. It also should be important to note, that not everyone has Miter Saw, even though he became more available in recent times.
There are totally more people that have Uber Rare from collab 8 years ago that will soon come back than Miter Saw, who's been around from ages and is available in half of the gachas. Think about what you say bro
@@qtCherry I meant like for new players, buddy. People that haven't completed all of UL 4👑 and have also been playing since it came out. I'm talking about accounts like my secondary one, where I just play from time to time with the few units I have on it. Also, collecting him is probably easier when he comes out than Miter Saw, due to 100% Uber Guarantee. You also need to take into thought, that the chances of getting a specific Unit are quite slim for the average player (like on my secondary account I'm in Cosmos chapter 2, but don't have Salon Cat somehow) Also I literally said that he became more available in recent times, as he now appears nearly once a week at least, so yeah.
@@krokokoko1257 It's not like there will be much more ubers e.g The helicopter, the Giant robot so there's probably like 15-20% to get hermit depending on how many ubers there will be in gacha.
I love that MSD collab returns, because thanks to Metal Slug I discover The Battle Cats In the dead MSD Huge Hermit was a too easy BOSS and I guess in MSA was trash thanks to be too unbalanced so I understand why PONOS make it useless
Imagine if the behemoth stone requirement leads to the talent of hermit getting behemoth slayer. it would probably help it out along with probably wave attack and dodge
It always seemed ridiculous to me that this unit has those giant cannons but instead of using them for its attack animation, Ponos chose to have Huge Hermit hit with his pincer
Now wait util we get slapped in the face with an ultra form like- RUBY HUGE HERMIT CC or smthing like that. (Although if im being honest, i doubt any collab unit is getting the ultra form treatment)
I wouldn’t say he’s worth the investment at all, but it’s usable and can actually make some stages a joke if invested in. As the video said though, miter saw just does it better.
![The Battle Cats - Enter GOLDEN JUPITER KING CC!! [Metal Slug Collabs]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/caknWTOdaUo/mqdefault.jpg)
![The Battle Cats - Enter GOLDEN JUPITER KING CC!! [Metal Slug Collabs]](/img/tr.png)
such a shame it doesn't require a Golden fruit and seed and tons of yellow stones, would have been it more of an middle finger
And a rainbow gem!
Papaluga moment
Your doing my boi dirty
3 gold fruit, 5 aku fruit, 3 yellow bgems, 5 rainbow stones
@@megaphoneca stop
The fact that it’s gold now solidifies that this is a Metal Slug *Attack* collab now instead of a Metal Slug *Defense* collab
sad that both games kinda died off
@@mag5588 it was fun while it lasted
Honestly I did not expect golden hermit at all after MSA kicked the bucket, truly a shame we will never see a return for any of those characters though tbf
They should have given him a projectle attack that lands in a different area like his special attack in MSA tbh
yes! especially when we now have multi-area LD attack. attack once or twice on front and sniper LD attack for the cannon.
@@SilumanTomcatRebornit wouldnt serve purpose outside of a reference, his attack is already dogshit, so splitting it would just be considered abuse
@@mr.jitterspam9552just make it additional like with Bahamut and Yukimura’s multihits
"man i wish some uber looked cool and completly awesome"
huge hermit:
"Man I wish this dogshit uber got a dogshit true form"
HUGE HERMIT:
Huge hermit: hi my name is huge hermit
Against all odds, huge hermit got a true form which we never thought would ever happen... and ponos still messed up their chance to save this unit!
16k dps melee isn’t terrible, just terribly situational, also only 35s cooldown is a plus
Oh heck. He made it to the end of earthshakers
You got asked and you delivered, and the result surprised nobody
The collab is for 30th anniversary so I’d imagine it’s soon. I’m kinda glad they didn’t let the MSA recolors go to waste
that final clip though
STANDING HERE
I REALIZE
Maybe viable on stages with a mix of black and alien, although stuff like Jetpack might just invalidate that too unless there are warping enemies
Gestalt Decay counter?!
@@SilumanTomcatRebornwait I didn’t realize that but trueee
i designed TFs for the metal slug ubers 4 years ago. NEKO HERMIT CC had an 80% hp boost (to 101k hp) and +10 speed (to 19).
The most surprising TF that we've gotten in months and he's still completely garbage lololol
I was so happy when I saw him get warp immune because that would have actually made him kinda viable on starred aliens and then I remembered Miter Saw and Catellite. And the idea of a point-blank anti black tanker with weak rapid attacks - a typing famous for stupidly high damage, high KB count and rebound effects - is literally stupid. What is wrong with you PONOS.
I'm aware the Iron Legion units are based on the Metal Slug style of mech designs, but its pretty bad when the OG's are worse than the "bootlegs".
Also, behemoth stones and no Behemoth Slayer? Really?
Just say inspired, not bootlegs
@@A_Commenter_ Inspired Bootlegs ;3
@@markguyton2868 ;>
5:06
"the bad meme unit always stays bad and irrelevant"
dioramos ultraform:
this is probably my favorite "bad" uber behind papaluga, there's something about it's terribleness that just fascinates me
There is some logic behind giving him Target Black: they are easy to knock back and give a ton of cash, so Huge Hermit kinda fits in there with his specs.
Requiring Green and Blue stones is dumb, though: Hi-Do and Jupiter King got much better TFs and they only require standard Catfruits.
Maybe the extra Trait is the reason: Morden only got Target Traitless, yet he needs a Yellow stone for it...
maybe black looks like a good choice, but that’s only if you look at their high knockback count, their huge dps with obliterate most units, for reference, gamereon tanks blacks and he has over 1mil effective hp and he is midranged, there is no way a frontiline unit with less than 200k dps can tank blacks.
Black enemies are also swarmy, so not having area attacks makes it so he won’t be able to get them off of him or to push, making him even worse against them, giving him black target was surely the worst thing they could’ve done, especially since many better counters exist.
So, overall, if PONOS was actually trying to make him good, there’s no excuse for giving him this target, they likely just put it as filler on his TF.
@@DuDoo553 I said "some logic", after all. Actually, he seems built Gestalt, Decay, where there are both Alien and Black enemies and he can keep knocking them back with his fast attacks.
The problem is that he doesn't have the stats and abilities to work beyond early game even if one ignores better units like Miter Saw and Dark Lazer. Being a very old unit comes with a lot of issues, sadly.
It's not like mosf of the other traits would've worked:
Floating, Angel and Traitless are too fierce for him, Relic and Aku are completely out of the question amd Red has been powercrept to death.
Only Metal and Zombies could be viable for him.
I don't think he should be compared with Gamereon since the two have different roles.
"not having area attack"
He does have area attack, though.
@@DiceDsx mb, he does have area attack, also I get you said just some logic but I felt that if ponos actually wanted to make him good they should’ve done anything else. He would have worked on anything else better than black, even relic and aku(he might want surge immune for aku and obv curse immune for relics). I compared him to gamereon because their role isn’t exactly the same, but it’s about tanking blacks anyway.
I don’t feel like this argument is very relevant, we both agree on most of the stuff about this guy.
Come back here today because Metal Slug collab confirmed to come back to BCEN! Now I have a chance to get this funny uber :3
Maybe ultra form...
Will be diamond :)))))
Iron > golden >diamond :))))
Chances are its gonna become the flying hermit from MSA and gain knockback to black and aliens
Diamond isn't unbreakable here unfortunately
@@wheremycatgoingno, it would be either evolved hermit or skull hermit
I'm still thinking why they named the collab with metal slug attack since the game shut down just a year ago
BEST UNIT GETS EVEN BETTER 🗣
What can i say
This tf truly is a comedy gold
this is truly one of the most Nobiluga TFs of all time.
have a good day.
Saying that is an insult to Nobiluga, like yeah it's not a good unit but at least he has some niche value in terms of huge piercing range and crazy low cost, huge hermit has absolutely nothing that puts it above other options
@@Marshall.R maybe. but giving 70k total base HP and the worst possible trait target to a frontline tank who costs 3750 is a TF on par with reducing Nobiluga's cooldown to 3 min. does nothing to help the unit's main weakness, and doesn't really improve the reward for playing around those weaknesses
2250 cost on Nobi is nice tho
Maybe with its talents, would it have wave attack or dodge.
Honestly dodge would make him a bit more viable as a tank but a cost down and cooldown talent would also be nice preferable costdown
honestly, as someone who is a huge fan of both games, i ask for help cuz a wizard turned me into an industrual sized fan and i don't know how to turn back D:
He do be looking funny doe
huge cra(p)b with artillery on its back and golden
so cool very cool so good
I love him this crab is amazing
Maybe a summon ability that spawns a bomb would have been good, even a good reference to the gacha game!
description sums it up well
Golden Units : United Front .
It's surprising to say the least , that Ponos decided to make True Forms for the Collab Units in MSD Collab.
Without a doubt , it could need any arrangements . .
Like new attack animations just like in MSA.
can a man have hope of this boy getting actualy good talents
Okay, i have a theory about the Cretaceous sixorrex(how ever you sepll it)
So we know that it uses a bun bun skull as a shell, and obvuiosly it couldn't take down the prehistoric bun bun species, so how did it get the skull? Does it find deceased bunbuns to take the skull, or does something alot stronger have to kill them?
if they were gonna require you to use behemoth stones, they should have given it behemoth slayer???
The most peak unit has reached higher peak
Idc if it’s garbage im still using my favorite Uber
geniune question
how could huge hermit be actually good without making it absurd?(like for example giving him waves)
if ubers added around his time could get stuff like +60% stats for their TFs, there really isn't a reason for him to not get those stat boosts. 70k base hp for a 3750 cost melee tank is a joke.
remove black typing and add one more focused upgrade on his anti-alien niche. it can be another defensive ability (immunity or dodge), debuff ability (weaken, kb, etc) or just more stats upgrade (HP Up, DMG Up, Cost down, etc)
@@SilumanTomcatRebornTime to wait for the talents glow up like Mola
3:18 at least it wasnt red typing, most red enemies shred tanks even worse than black enemies do and roe cat/masochist cat already exists
let's hope for the talents to be good...
i love the big crab, and i wanna see them succeed!
can you explain more about tier?
I mean when I think about the description
isn't it worse than C-tier? (or this tier is the lowest of your tier)
*really true when you mention farming Behemoth Stone in Newbie
I can feel the struggle defending the base from the wild dog before getting a courier cat in my past year
This is the rough explanation:
- S~SSS tier: The meta unit. Contains units that are considered as the best of the best. These units are the ones that are gonna carry you hard through the whole game
- A tier: Specialist tier. Contains units that are generally good that what's their role.
- B tier. Serve as the middle point. Units on this tier have a clear role but can't jump to higher tier due to lack of definitive values or suffer from too many weakness
- C tier. Underwhelming units. They tend to be replaceable by general units or just simply too painful to use. But there is some specific way to use them in stages
- D tier. The real garbage. You gain nothing from their existence
I put HUGE HERMIT on C- tier because of how easily he is being replaced by regular units without adding much to the team. It also doesn't have strong value in general. However, it still has some pretty good utility if you manage to unlock it early in the game. Most notably is Blue Planet
@@SilumanTomcatReborn thank you 😄
And here we are, one of if not THE worst Uber in battle cats.
Honestly it would've been more disappointing if this made Huge Hermit worth using. With Mola King getting its glowup, it's refreshing to see we still have one of our meme units as terrible as it always was.
Really wondering if there's more TF for this collab in this update or not
All Metal Slug old Uber get True Form
When will Battle cats collab with Metal Slug again?
Haven't seen the vid yet... Did they do it ? Did they truly have the power and smartness to try to build a kit for our favorite collab unit ?
Tl;dr: No.
I would've been for HH getting talented riceball levels of immunities for his tf.
But alas, once a meme always a meme I guess. . .
So he is hades now
Even more superior
the worst uber in the game:
jp got another collab before our miku collab
Better true form especially for requiring behemoth stones shouldve been just alien with 100% hp increase instead of 30%, 50% damage increase, knockback and warp immunities, and lower cost to about 2500-3000.
Way too broken. Balrog? Dasli? Who are those frauds?
WHAT? Usable old Collab Uber Jumpscare?
I mean yeah, he's pretty outclassed VS Black, but him being tankier Miter Saw Cat is quite nice. It also should be important to note, that not everyone has Miter Saw, even though he became more available in recent times.
There are totally more people that have Uber Rare from collab 8 years ago that will soon come back than Miter Saw, who's been around from ages and is available in half of the gachas. Think about what you say bro
@@qtCherry I meant like for new players, buddy. People that haven't completed all of UL 4👑 and have also been playing since it came out.
I'm talking about accounts like my secondary one, where I just play from time to time with the few units I have on it. Also, collecting him is probably easier when he comes out than Miter Saw, due to 100% Uber Guarantee.
You also need to take into thought, that the chances of getting a specific Unit are quite slim for the average player (like on my secondary account I'm in Cosmos chapter 2, but don't have Salon Cat somehow)
Also I literally said that he became more available in recent times, as he now appears nearly once a week at least, so yeah.
@@krokokoko1257 It's not like there will be much more ubers e.g The helicopter, the Giant robot so there's probably like 15-20% to get hermit depending on how many ubers there will be in gacha.
I love that MSD collab returns, because thanks to Metal Slug I discover The Battle Cats
In the dead MSD Huge Hermit was a too easy BOSS and I guess in MSA was trash thanks to be too unbalanced so I understand why PONOS make it useless
Tbh ponos should give him wave immune resistant and maybe cost down
Imagine if the behemoth stone requirement leads to the talent of hermit getting behemoth slayer. it would probably help it out along with probably wave attack and dodge
I bet this will come to EN now that I've been retired from the game for 9 months lol
When does the next superfest come to the EN version?
Though it has Fast ATK Speed, it FAILED!
It’s like these metal slug units are bad on purpose. Why ponos?
... Nevermind lmaooooo my hermit is still a meme
It always seemed ridiculous to me that this unit has those giant cannons but instead of using them for its attack animation, Ponos chose to have Huge Hermit hit with his pincer
no way metal slug defence is coming back? I thought it would never happen
metal slug defense is avalible in steam
so is stil playable
i miss MSA... like battle cats just feels soo jank compared to it
We are on the same boat dude.
Ultra form should give him the insanely tough ability
Man, take some of uril's buffs and give it to him
He's going to surge you to death, so sadly no
I love huge hermit but they couldn't save him
cant believe they gave the most op unit a true form. what were they thinking?
Now wait util we get slapped in the face with an ultra form like- RUBY HUGE HERMIT CC or smthing like that.
(Although if im being honest, i doubt any collab unit is getting the ultra form treatment)
I wouldn’t say he’s worth the investment at all, but it’s usable and can actually make some stages a joke if invested in. As the video said though, miter saw just does it better.
does anyone know why I’m not getting the event? Not the stages or the banner
Because it's only for JP right now. No assurances if or when it will come to EN.
do you think it would be better if he get good talents upgrades?, and which talent do you want him to get?
Cost Down, chance to Dodge, and either a new target trait that works with his kit or just some other immunities (perhaps toxic immune?)
HUGE HERMIT
Bro went from the worst uber rare to the worst uber rare with this true form..
Is the gacha back?
Scissorex but cat unit and way -shittier- op
Result: Cool armor bro, but unfortunately, 🪚.
Alive warrior 51
Yeah.... No.
summary: huge hermit still sucks, not worth it
Isnt this uber bad?
I think you mean the absolute best
no i know what i said
Its not slug jockey
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