Thank you for the update, Dan. With him being a career professional pilot, he knew good and well that taking the mushrooms could cost him his job and medical cert. Like you said, he chose to take them. Keep up the excellent work. Safe skies my friend 🇺🇸🛩️
As a professional pilot, he should have his rating revoked and he did this to his livelihood. What if he was the Captain of this flight and the actions caused a different outcome. It’s beyond a mistake he made. It’s no other fault than his own and HIS choices. No matter what state of mind, we are trained professionals.
Im a 1st officer, I was under the infulence a couple years ago when flying out of O Hare, flew just fine tho was nervous, I thought for sure someone would notice.
@@jeffreyconner6087 Well to be Fair it was only a One time occurrence plus that day it was IFR only so i did not have to worry too much about loss of control and at the end of the day a Airbus basically flys itself.
@@Star-bp5jj My father's brother was a pilot who died in combat during WW2. Because he became a mythical figure in the family, I always looked up to pilots as heroes. Do you have any idea how privileged you are to have gone for pilot training? And not to be thrown at an enemy, but to fly from one glamorous destination to the other. You are a dickhead. Your privileges should be revoked. An honourable man would have admitted to there being too little time between bottle and throttle and stood down, regardless of the consequences. A hero would not have taken the drink in the first place.
Took mushrooms Friday night and the flight occurred on Sunday. Whatever else the dude had planned or meds he was taking I do not know. But the timeline doesn't fit for mushrooms and was likely all he could come up with for an excuse.
I had JOBS for 45 years that I was not allowed to to use DRUGS. Was subject to DOT drug testing, just like this pilot. He new at that party he should not have taken those Mushrooms.
He should have left a party where there were illicit drugs....and cut off all communications with those who engage in such. The second someone takes illicit drugs, I don't want to have anything to do with them!
@@andyhughes1776yeah stick with big pharma, get that jab! I have used mushrooms it's really not that big of a deal but I wouldn't get on a plane on them even as a passenger.
I fly a 175, he could have been on my jumpseat. Pulling those fire handles closes the fuel valves = shuts down the engines. This, mechanics tell me, is not reversible even if you push them back in again. A bad day for sure. I do have sympathy for the one’s suffering from mental health issues in this profession as in any walk of life. And as always the Feds are way behind on this issue, although some improvements have been made. This doesn’t excuse taking illegal drugs. He needs to be in prison for a very long time.
😂 I was about to comment “no way I’m in the process of Buying a 175” then I kept reading and realized you weren’t talking about a Cessna 🤣🤣💀 I will also say that I don’t agree with your last comment. This wasn’t an intentional criminal action. He’s not out repeatedly committing crimes to hurt others. That’s what jail is for. This guy shouldn’t have taken mushrooms while in the mental state he was in. Having bad feelings about the loss of a friend prior to taking mushrooms is BEGGING for a bad trip. Mushrooms can be a great tool in healing but must be used correctly or things like this can happen. It’s not something you go eat and party like having a beer although some treat it that way it’s medicine that shouldn’t be abused.
You're 100% correct once you deplete your fire extinguishers by twisting the handles after you pull them the system won't allow you to open up the fuel valves because your fire suppression system has been depleted.@@jonnyblaze2692
I completely agree, he made a decision to take the drug. He should not have done it. He isn’t owning up to it but trying to deflect. Mental illness is a problem with many but it was his choice
The flight crew is lucky to have noticed the jump seaters action before the bottles discharged. With the discharge handles located so high and behind the flight crew, I believe it would have been easy to not notice the jump seaters action before it was too late..
As a former private pilot and former methamphetamine addict, i can tell you that mental illness absolutely causes people to get high, in fact its BY FAR the leading cause of substance abuse. While this doesnt excuse his actions, its way more likely than not that he made that decision to get high because of his siffering with depression and anxiety. So when you ask was it partying or mental illness, it was definitely both. And cause and effect. The fact that hes an alcoholic makes it that much more certain.
I agree. I almost fell out of bed when they said it was because of mushrooms he ate 2 days prior and he was high. 😂 it burns me up when people try to insult my intelligence. Those mushrooms were long gone out of his system. However the effects done onto his brain were very much still there. For those days preceding his brain was unable to produce the amount of dopamine that it was prior to taking the mushrooms. He was already in a depressed state which you NEVER EVER EVER eat mushrooms if your in a negative mindset. NEVER! He did and it was a huge mistake. Mushrooms are not for partying. They are medicine and shouldn’t be abused and only administered by and monitored by professionals. The mushrooms had very little to do with him pulling this stunt. But the suits at be will push a different agenda especially his lawyer. But it won’t take much for any dr to explain that psilocin has a half life of 1-2 hours. Psilocin is the chemical that our bodies convert from the psilocybin and is what gives the euphoria. So to say he was still feeling the effects from the mushrooms directly is a complete lie. He may be feeling the damage left behind, the depletion of neurotransmitters etc. but the substance couldn’t have still been in his system days later. His mental state is the root cause.
Absolutely, I'm also a former meth addict I was self medicating an anxiety disorder and ADHD, even though I didn't realise that until after I got clean.
@@dmitrykim3096 ignorance. Hopefully someday you’ll be in a position where you will have someone apply the same principles to your life. Maybe you will make a life changing mistake, beg for a second chance and not get it.
He Should not have even gone to work ……he should have reported sick or gone to the Dr……..he has a duty and responsibility of care to his fellow colleagues! 😢
As a recovering Alcoholic, sober 24 years, and a pilot, I believe that Alcohol, and other drugs, are a serious issue in the aviation community. It is the personality type that aviators have. I wish this fellow the best.
You're right and I 100% agree. The other mistake not being talked about is if he wasn't mentally fit, why did he proceed to put on the uniform and enter into the cockpi? If there were another emergency he would be expected to assist if seated in the jump seat. He was under the influence and still put on the uniform which the company has rules regarding being intoxicated in uniform in public let alone the cockpit. He is trying to dampen his punishment but he hasn't learned. He shouldn't get a plea deal he should face the consequences of his decisions. Many people's friend's or loved ones die. Bringing down an entire plane shouldn't be the result.
Except no one died. No one brought down a plane. Hell no one even got so much as a scratch. If he went on the plane with the intentions of doing that then i think prison would be very much appropriate. He was just some lightweight who tried shrooms for the first time and like they way they made lights and everything brighter. Then there were some left over and he eats them before he boards thi king he can handle it.since he had no problems the previous day. Takes too much and loses touch with reality for a minute. There was no intent. Losing his career is plenty of punishment. Thats a massive punishment. Even people who do things with intent and go to prison at the very least get to return to their careers when out.
It has been said that his friends insisted that he take the mushrooms, but they didn't know for sure that he would we flying in the cockpit of an aircraft after their reunion. The only person knowing all the possible ramifications of his actions was himself, and he made a disastrous choice that ended up destroying his career and livelihood. Mind this, the fact that he was basically experimenting for the first time with a drug for which he didn't know the effects, and still accepted to use being an airline pilot, goes beyond recklessness. At the same time, we live in times when many outside voices insist that hallucinogenics are fun and harmless. But that point of view should never be shared by people who have human lives in their hands daily. I have worked in three different industries where they drug test everyone before hiring and during employment randomly, and have seen so many young promising guys ruin their lives after failing a drug test, but none of us work in a position so critically in charge of human life. His flawed judgment deserves that he's not allowed to ever set foot again into a cockpit or get a pilot license
He was depressed over the loss of his best friend. He was in counseling, but worried about the effects of anti depressants on his career, so he refused them.
You covered this perfectly. The under 40 crowd seems to me like they don't want to take responsibility for their actions. Kudos to the Captain for his quick reactions.
I don't think the use of drugs can be separated from mental health. One leads to the other. Mental health issues can lead to drug abuse, and the drug abuse can ten make the issues worse, or even create them by damaging the brain of a mentally healthy drug user. The REAL problem is we know so little about mental health. The reality is, mental health is linked to the physical health of the brain, In medicine we tend to see mental health as separate from physical health. The physical health of the brain is strongly linked to mental health.
No pilot in the world should be taking a hallucinogenic drug, especially for recreational use. His careless and irresponsible choice almost cost the lives of 85 people and therefore he should never ever be able to be a licensed pilot. Now he can do all the drugs he wants whether for his mental issues or just for fun.
Some jobs just shouldn't allow mental health problems. Period. I'm looney as hell and on meds. I have NO business in any cockpit! Also no sympathy for this guy, as I said I'm looney as hell but have never thought for one minute to take shrooms.
And how exactly would you propose enforcing that? Do you think that the majority of people would volunteer information that they know would disqualify them from a career path that they want? All a full-stop ban will do is stop people from seeking help for issues that may well be totally treatable or solvable, either with or without medication. There should definitely be guidelines to determine what may be allowable with treatment, what may have duty restrictions, when temporary suspensions may be required, and what is simply too severe to allow. Those guidelines should be clear, fair, and very transparent. They should also include testing and self-assessment protocols to help pilots determine how fit to fly they are and procedures for stepping down, treatment, and restoration to duty status.
@@MikeDCWeld sorry I don't agree. There is testing that can be done. A version of the MMPI could be adopted. Mental illness is like any other disability. The unfortunate truth is that a disability can disqualify you from a job. Deal with it.
COMPLETELY disagree. Everyone should be given a second chance when it comes to mental health issues, etc..Just my opinion. IF they can demonstrate they have been sucessfully treated, etc..AT the same time, some in our Own Healthcare System is trying to push for Mushroom use to treat mental Illness! HUGE mistake.
What needs to be done is to break the stigma of mental illness. As a person with PTSD I don't talk about it much as people have the tendency to think I am broken. When I go to a restaurant I have to have a seat facing the door with a clear path. I do this so if I get triggered I can escape to go outside and get myself straight without wanting to hurt anyone. I am one of the lucky people I know who is totally aware of my triggers and my actions when I get triggered. I have a better understanding of PTSD than most people. But as I said in the beginning until we break the stigma that we are damaged or broken we can't educate people.
AGREED. I also believe he should be given a chance to get his license back, if he has gone through all the hoops to get help, heal, and move on, as long as he has satisfied the FAA's Medical Board, etc..
@@bill2066 I absolutely agree. He made a mistake and he knows it. In fact, he knew it immediately. His actions after, even before they landed, prove that. A mistake that we all know he’ll never make again. By giving him a second chance to get his license, and more importantly his career back, you’ll actually change his mental health to a positive. Which is what he needs right now. Having some slight negative issues that have now drastically become negative isn’t good. Hope that made sense. But yes, I do agree with you.
Convict him, prison time, goodbye. Nobody forced fed him mushrooms or onto the flight. Supposedly mushroom's effect don't even last that long. Now he is on a pity tour and wants to fly again? Guilty.
Can confirm that mushrooms last for a max of like 6-8 hours. I don't know what was going through his head, but he didn't have any shrooms in his system by that point.
There’s no problem with taking mushrooms or naturally derived DMT brother. Just don’t mix it with flying. The choice to get in the cockpit within 4 weeks of ingesting DMT analogs was his only mistake in my opinion. And if I was a doctor I’d say 6 months no fly after single dose. It’s no joke.
I prefer to be carry by 2 pilots one with mental issue under control when another pilot is aware of situation. What scarry me most is TWO pilots with mental issue without any control AND if they AREN'T aware of situation of another.
This aircraft is manufactured by the brazilian company Embraer here in the state of Sao Paulo, about 55 miles away from the biggest south american city, also named S.Paulo . Their portfolio ranges from executive jets to big transport/military jets.
I was going through a period in my life that was really bad. Don't worry, the FAA knows. It was 30 years ago, and I only fly recreationally. Part of the situation was panic attacks and what I think this guy experienced, too. Under these situations, you can get the fight-or-flight response. From personal experience, this is a very difficult response to control. You don't know when it's going to happen, and as it's happening you aren't thinking about anything else. And, for me, there was a lot of dissociation while it was happening. It took me a few years to get back to normal. Good luck to him. And maybe this is the impetus for real administrative and cultural change lest we have another Germanwings or Egypt Air.
I agree that there should be more support for pilots and the general public for mental health issues. Unfortunately for many years it has carried a stigma that labels and stereotypes. As pilots we have the personal responsibility to ask ourselves "Am I fit to fly" whether it is in a professional setting or in a recreational setting. The same holds true for driving a car or operating any type of powered equipment...am I fit to do this; physically, mentally, etc. He made a poor choice whether it was founded in grief or not.
I’ve been a professional mushroom pilot for 30 years with a quarter ounce rating. a flight lasts about 6 to 8 hours not 3 days. This guy was obviously flying VFR before he got on the plane, I suspect his morning omelet was not of the western type. They should yank his license and also take his entry level, dusty Martin guitar leaning in the corner.
Thank you for this detailed explanation. Apparently there are many angles to this story. This guy was lashed in media like crazy. He did a mistake, was very unlucky and is a victim of what have happened. Mental issues is an important and prevailing problem. "Retribution is not justice"
Just adding to the chorus of what the hell was he thinking taking mushrooms in the first place? At least eventually a bit of his brain realised he was out of control and got the FA to cuff him.
I'm just glad no one was hurt. Well done to the crew they are the stars of this story should be them on the news. Mental health is still something to support, it's like physical health we all have it whether good or bad and I wouldn't believe anyone who said they never made a bad decision (maybe not this bad) or had some trouble in their life. Take care, everyone!
They can be useful tools in the proper set and setting. Using them when you work a job where lives are in your hands is never appropriate. If anything, he should have taken a week or two off from work if he wanted to use psychedelics therapeutically.
@@uss_liberty_incident Yup I completley agree. He shouldn't have made the choice to do this but what happened is not surprising given his previous mental state. It was a severe case of derealisation/depersonalisation at the worst possible time.
He likely wouldn't have gotten to that point if the industry didn't automatically ostracize anyone that admitted to mental health struggles. All that does is force people to hide them and not seek help when it can be effective. That inevitably leads to worsening symptoms until the individual reaches a breaking point of some kind, resulting in some sort of incident. There will undoubtedly be more pilots in similar situations if meaningful changes aren't made. It's only a matter of time.
I am a retired regional pilot. All pilots are well educated on effects of drugs on their body. We all know that you don't take drugs or booze and fly. Sorry, his choice was very poor and it his choice led to this outcome. He is not alone with mental health issues, I have PTSD, so I know the choices he should have made, because I made them. Remove yourself from duty, get help, don't self medicate. Sounds easy, it's not. As a pilot, you are responsible for all the people on your aircraft, your duty is to them is clearly defined. We all in life make choices, good and bad. I hope this pilot gets the help he needs and I understand his desire to fly again. I hope he can return, but that choice is not his to make. In my training with the airline, they clearly stated this many times. If you are taking an aspirin for a headache, why are you going to work? If you go to work, are you fit, headaches are distracting.
Thanks for the report. “Just say NO to drugs” campaign is one of the biggest failures on record. And make no mistake, yes this IS a mental issue. He is already admitted to being an alcoholic! He has an addiction issue. It doesn’t matter the substance. The man needs help. And jail time does little to nothing in solving addiction. It just helps people to be better criminals.
I agree with your assessment of the real mistake. In my aviation career in the military and civil sectors, there are lots of complicated rules, but there's one super easy one: don't do drugs. I've seen more than a few careers ended early because people who could follow really complex rules couldn't follow a really simple one.
Only just in the first few minutes of this, but thankfully the pilots acted very quickly to prevent certain disaster. I believe he had no intention of acting like that; but before anyone goes mad at me for saying this, that doesn’t mean I’m defending him or excusing him! There’s a difference between pilot mental illness and hallucinogenic mushrooms as there is treatment available that is approved which is discussed here. However, I’m not a psychologist or psychiatrist so it’s only an anecdotal opinion. Anyway, you were spot on with what was the “mistake”, and reminding everyone of how close another 83 people were to being no more.
It seems a bit strange to focus on Emerson apologising specifically for each individual act on the day and in the lead up to it, when he has already blanket-stated he takes responsibility for his actions. If he said “I take responsibility for my actions, except for taking mushrooms”, *maybe* it’d be worth bringing up, but as it stands it’s a pretty minor factor when there’s so much more important stuff going on around this. The single most important aspect of the response to this incident is any change the FAA makes in how it views and addresses mental health. Anything Emerson says or does not say is inconsequential by comparison.
I’m sorry, no mercy for someone entrusted with many lives on an airplane to act in this manner- they’re conflating the issues. He must be dealt with severely
You should look into it on your own, and you will find there is increasing research (and results) into psilocybin as medicine. But yea, as a pilot, dont eat shrooms.
@@MattH-wg7ou I get my medical advice from a medical doctor. I do not get medical advice from people who are high on drugs. I know it’s a radical idea to take advice from an expert but I’m a wild and crazy guy.
I advocate for the responsible use of psychedelics for mental health treatment, but never as an excuse for taking action which can harm others. I don't see why he couldn't keep his shit together.
Mental health issues? I wonder if he’s a former military pilot with PTSD? Uses drugs and alcohol to mask deeper issues? I’m a former military helicopter pilot, 3 years of combat, it’s complicated, but no excuse. The root cause of this event? The possibility of losing your license if you seek mental health care, or he’s a narcissist. Dude was definitely still tripping but was cognizant enough to suggest being handcuffed. This suggests he was fading in and out of reality.
One thing I don't see talked about quite as much: he hadn't slept in 40 hours. To me, that sounds like it'd have a bigger mental impact than some psychedelic mushrooms *two days ago*. Either that, or the sleep deprivation cranked the post-trip mushroom effects up to 11. Because if the only thing he did "wrong" was merely trying mushrooms, I highly doubt things would have gotten this serious. There is theoretically a risk, but this kind of reaction is extremely rare, and often a sign of some kind of underlying sensitivity (which 40 hours of sleep deprivation could temporarily create).
@@helipilotuh1 IDK. The way I see it, people know to be extremely careful to psychedelics (if touching them at all). People seem to be a lot less careful with sleep deprivation. And the way I see it, sleep deprivation needs to be a critical part of the story *because* it's so much easier to overlook. (Note: I'm not saying "don't mention the shrooms", I'm saying "do mention the sleep deprivation".)
@@0xEmmy The man was a former army aviator. I promise you he received training in fatigue and the dangers of lack of sleep. I’d be shocked if he didn’t also receive further training from his airline on the topic.
The question of that FAA guy, Dr. Brent Blue is horrific, if you either want to fly with an untreated or a treated depressed pilot, I mean. What kind of stupid and insane question is that? Someone with depression doesn`t belong in any profession he is in direct charge of the lives of other people. No pilots, bus drivers, train drivers, nuclear reactor operators or whatever. How many more cases like German Wings, China Eastern, Malaysia Airlines and so on do we need? And btw, anti depressants aren`t M&Ms, they have horrible side effect like: - feeling agitated, shaky or anxious - feeling and being sick - indigestion and stomach aches - diarrhoea or constipation - dizziness - not sleeping well (insomnia), or feeling very sleepy With those symptoms there can be "mild" ones from serotonin syndrome like: - confusion - agitation - muscle twitching - sweating - shivering And severe symptoms like: seizures (fits) irregular heartbeat (arrhythmia) unconsciousness And that`s just a few on a long list and none of these effects belong into a cockpit knowing they may and will happen any time!
I'd rather have a pilot that was receiving professional help and monitoring for their issues than one that was hiding them out of fear for their job. As long as their treatment is effective and they have a simple way to step back temporarily when it's not, then I'm fine. I want people I'm entrusting my life to to be able to be open and honest about potential troubles without fear of reprisals.
@@bradsanders407 These are just a few of the side effects of anti depressants: - feeling agitated, shaky or anxious - feeling and being sick - indigestion and stomach aches - diarrhoea or constipation - dizziness - not sleeping well (insomnia), or feeling very sleepy Pilots lose their license for a lot of illnesses and depression should be on that, too.
..."tried to kill 83 people, and the mistake that's not being talked about on this episode." Sounds like you are not going to talk about it. Better to say... "and on this episode we will talk about the mistake that others are not talking about.
Completely agree that there needs to be more support for mental health issues and I do believe with this guy there was a lot of self medication going on which lead to a bad choice. I do feel sorry for him but he did do something incredibly stupid and likely has destroyed his life.
It’s not self-medicating, that makes it seem that he was trying to help his depression/anxiety .. in reality he deliberately took the mushies to get wasted/high.
@@axelknutt5065 _in reality he deliberately took the mushies to get wasted/high._ And you have evidence of this claim? Have you sent it to the legal authorities?
This is ridiculous. If that dude was a plumber instead of a pilot, and did something that was seconds away from killing 80 people, he'd be in jail for a long time. But, he's a pilot so everyone treating him like a kid . Everyone has problems. We just don't try to crash airplanes. How does anyone know he didn't use mushrooms regularly? I don't want my pilots on antidepressants ... sad, maybe you need another job.
I hold a Commercial rating. It would be inexecusable if I took those mushrooms. Joseph Emerson holds an ATP rating! No excuse! The FAA .will revokee his ATP
Why wasn't he doing the interview from a jail cell?. Put him under the jail, no sympathy for him, none. Also if he takes full responsibility for his actions, then he should've already plead guilty to all the charges without any promises being made to him.
Dude, none of this was a mistake. That's a copout, jf your doing acid your pilot career should be over. You can have flashbacks from acid or mushrooms for 25 yrs after you ingest them. Please stop calling this a mistake, how cheap can you get. When you get the wrong answer on your math test in school, THATS A MISTAKE.
Could they install sensors in the engines, and if they have both been shut down like this, allow for a restart, even though a restart would not normally be safe? I can understand if a single engine failure might prohibit a restart because running the engine would cause more damage. But there have been cases where running a damaged engine is necessary. I'm thinking of a British Airways flight that flew into a cloud of volcanic ash and lost all four engines. They were able to get the engines restarted though all four engines were badly damaged. they provided enough thrust to get the plane to an airport. Later an Airbus safely ditched in a river after suffering damage in both engines. While no one was hurt because of some fantastic pilot skills, it would have been better if they could have restarted the engines, even though running the engines may have damaged them further. I'm not sure the damage would have been less had the not slammed the nonrunning engines into a river. I'm no expert, but I can't see that as not causing a lot of damage.
Mental health issues, like depression, anxiety, etc. can change the neurochemistry of your brain. To say someone might have a mental health problem but the bad choice he made was somehow independent of that doesn’t tell the full story. The fella should definitely suffer consequences, for an unfortunate chain of events but mental health issues and bad decision-making are not mutually exclusive.
There was one cause, his decision to take mushrooms. End of story. He should never be allowed on passenger flight again. The message the press should be focusing on is the dangers of hallucinogens.
"Lie to Fly" was on Friday, August 23 and it was good, and chilling, to hear all that went on in the cockpit and the police bodycam video discussions with all crew. The FAA has got to get their medical program to allow pilots to get help in order. The ARC is only a recommendation, and the young student pilot who killed himself in a plane, pleading in his good bye notes to his parents to get the FAA change, are far from seeing that happen. We all know pilots who will only go to ONE AME - because it is a crap shoot to go to just any AME. As for Emerson, that must be adjudicated in court.
Quite Frankly, I don't care if one takes psychedelics in their own time as long as they can show up sober and perform their duties to the best of their abilities. I'm sick of this 'War on Drugs' fiction using "safety" as a flimsy proxy to dictate how private citizens experience their private time like Big Brother. Mr. Emerson made it everyone's issue through HIS actions and his alone. Just like how nobody seriously considers going back to prohibition because people drive (and occasionally fly) drunk, the same logic ought to apply.
People like him give us a bad name, shrooms can be taken safely and u don’t end up thinking ur in a fake reality unless u hv zero experience and a weak mind cuz one thing to keep in mind is u can always remind urself ur on shrooms and that’s what’s freaking u out
Don’t take recreational drugs/alcohol when your entire career depends on you being sober. The slope is way to slippery.
Thank you for the update, Dan. With him being a career professional pilot, he knew good and well that taking the mushrooms could cost him his job and medical cert. Like you said, he chose to take them. Keep up the excellent work. Safe skies my friend 🇺🇸🛩️
As a professional pilot, he should have his rating revoked and he did this to his livelihood. What if he was the Captain of this flight and the actions caused a different outcome. It’s beyond a mistake he made. It’s no other fault than his own and HIS choices. No matter what state of mind, we are trained professionals.
Im a 1st officer, I was under the infulence a couple years ago when flying out of O Hare, flew just fine tho was nervous, I thought for sure someone would notice.
@@Star-bp5jj wtf.
This is why I fly myself. Commercial is a joke.
@@jeffreyconner6087 Well to be Fair it was only a One time occurrence plus that day it was IFR only so i did not have to worry too much about loss of control and at the end of the day a Airbus basically flys itself.
@@Star-bp5jjyou do realize you just admitted to a crime and your identity can be found, way to go genius!
@@Star-bp5jj My father's brother was a pilot who died in combat during WW2. Because he became a mythical figure in the family, I always looked up to pilots as heroes. Do you have any idea how privileged you are to have gone for pilot training? And not to be thrown at an enemy, but to fly from one glamorous destination to the other. You are a dickhead. Your privileges should be revoked. An honourable man would have admitted to there being too little time between bottle and throttle and stood down, regardless of the consequences. A hero would not have taken the drink in the first place.
Took mushrooms Friday night and the flight occurred on Sunday. Whatever else the dude had planned or meds he was taking I do not know. But the timeline doesn't fit for mushrooms and was likely all he could come up with for an excuse.
I had JOBS for 45 years that I was not allowed to to use DRUGS. Was subject to DOT drug testing, just like this pilot. He new at that party he should not have taken those Mushrooms.
He should have left a party where there were illicit drugs....and cut off all communications with those who engage in such.
The second someone takes illicit drugs, I don't want to have anything to do with them!
They dont test for mushrooms
@@andyhughes1776you sound like a loser. I bet you've never been invited to a party.
@@andyhughes1776 So you don't want anything to do with over half the US population? good luck with that.
@@andyhughes1776yeah stick with big pharma, get that jab! I have used mushrooms it's really not that big of a deal but I wouldn't get on a plane on them even as a passenger.
I fly a 175, he could have been on my jumpseat. Pulling those fire handles closes the fuel valves = shuts down the engines. This, mechanics tell me, is not reversible even if you push them back in again. A bad day for sure.
I do have sympathy for the one’s suffering from mental health issues in this profession as in any walk of life. And as always the Feds are way behind on this issue, although some improvements have been made.
This doesn’t excuse taking illegal drugs.
He needs to be in prison for a very long time.
😂 I was about to comment “no way I’m in the process of
Buying a 175” then I kept reading and realized you weren’t talking about a Cessna 🤣🤣💀
😂 I was about to comment “no way I’m in the process of
Buying a 175” then I kept reading and realized you weren’t talking about a Cessna 🤣🤣💀
I will also say that I don’t agree with your last comment. This wasn’t an intentional criminal action. He’s not out repeatedly committing crimes to hurt others. That’s what jail is for. This guy shouldn’t have taken mushrooms while in the mental state he was in. Having bad feelings about the loss of a friend prior to taking mushrooms is BEGGING for a bad trip.
Mushrooms can be a great tool in healing but must be used correctly or things like this can happen. It’s not something you go eat and party like having a beer although some treat it that way it’s medicine that shouldn’t be abused.
Just pulling them out can be reversed. If you pull them out and turn them, you activate the fire suppression and after that the engines are bricked
You're 100% correct once you deplete your fire extinguishers by twisting the handles after you pull them the system won't allow you to open up the fuel valves because your fire suppression system has been depleted.@@jonnyblaze2692
How does keeping him "in prison for a very long time" improve anyone's situation? Retribution is not justice.
I completely agree, he made a decision to take the drug. He should not have done it. He isn’t owning up to it but trying to deflect. Mental illness is a problem with many but it was his choice
The flight crew is lucky to have noticed the jump seaters action before the bottles discharged. With the discharge handles located so high and behind the flight crew, I believe it would have been easy to not notice the jump seaters action before it was too late..
As a former private pilot and former methamphetamine addict, i can tell you that mental illness absolutely causes people to get high, in fact its BY FAR the leading cause of substance abuse. While this doesnt excuse his actions, its way more likely than not that he made that decision to get high because of his siffering with depression and anxiety. So when you ask was it partying or mental illness, it was definitely both. And cause and effect. The fact that hes an alcoholic makes it that much more certain.
I agree. I almost fell out of bed when they said it was because of mushrooms he ate 2 days prior and he was high. 😂 it burns me up when people try to insult my intelligence. Those mushrooms were long gone out of his system. However the effects done onto his brain were very much still there. For those days preceding his brain was unable to produce the amount of dopamine that it was prior to taking the mushrooms. He was already in a depressed state which you NEVER EVER EVER eat mushrooms if your in a negative mindset. NEVER! He did and it was a huge mistake.
Mushrooms are not for partying. They are medicine and shouldn’t be abused and only administered by and monitored by professionals.
The mushrooms had very little to do with him pulling this stunt. But the suits at be will push a different agenda especially his lawyer. But it won’t take much for any dr to explain that psilocin has a half life of 1-2 hours. Psilocin is the chemical that our bodies convert from the psilocybin and is what gives the euphoria. So to say he was still feeling the effects from the mushrooms directly is a complete lie. He may be feeling the damage left behind, the depletion of neurotransmitters etc. but the substance couldn’t have still been in his system days later.
His mental state is the root cause.
Yup. Before I went on antidepressants and when I took a break from them, I'd "self-medicate" with painkillers and alcohol. I'm not a pilot, though
Absolutely, I'm also a former meth addict I was self medicating an anxiety disorder and ADHD, even though I didn't realise that until after I got clean.
Mental Illness or drugs he should never fly again
@@dmitrykim3096 ignorance. Hopefully someday you’ll be in a position where you will have someone apply the same principles to your life.
Maybe you will make a life changing mistake, beg for a second chance and not get it.
Advice to professional pilots and others in like occupations. Don't do drugs.
“Uhm..druh..drugs’r bad….Mmm-kay?”
Mr Garrison could get a job with the FAA!
He Should not have even gone to work ……he should have reported sick or gone to the Dr……..he has a duty and responsibility of care to his fellow colleagues! 😢
But alcoholism is still cool?
Just stick the the drugs lovbyists and govt profit from
Advice to everyone, really
As a recovering Alcoholic, sober 24 years, and a pilot, I believe that Alcohol, and other drugs, are a serious issue in the aviation community. It is the personality type that aviators have. I wish this fellow the best.
Always so quick to give updates! No other channel like this. Much appreciation for your hard work
Thanks Carson
You're right and I 100% agree. The other mistake not being talked about is if he wasn't mentally fit, why did he proceed to put on the uniform and enter into the cockpi? If there were another emergency he would be expected to assist if seated in the jump seat. He was under the influence and still put on the uniform which the company has rules regarding being intoxicated in uniform in public let alone the cockpit. He is trying to dampen his punishment but he hasn't learned. He shouldn't get a plea deal he should face the consequences of his decisions. Many people's friend's or loved ones die. Bringing down an entire plane shouldn't be the result.
Except no one died. No one brought down a plane. Hell no one even got so much as a scratch. If he went on the plane with the intentions of doing that then i think prison would be very much appropriate. He was just some lightweight who tried shrooms for the first time and like they way they made lights and everything brighter. Then there were some left over and he eats them before he boards thi king he can handle it.since he had no problems the previous day. Takes too much and loses touch with reality for a minute. There was no intent. Losing his career is plenty of punishment. Thats a massive punishment. Even people who do things with intent and go to prison at the very least get to return to their careers when out.
@@bradsanders407 what do you do for a living? your logic just amazes me. Go research Germanwings 9525.
It has been said that his friends insisted that he take the mushrooms, but they didn't know for sure that he would we flying in the cockpit of an aircraft after their reunion. The only person knowing all the possible ramifications of his actions was himself, and he made a disastrous choice that ended up destroying his career and livelihood. Mind this, the fact that he was basically experimenting for the first time with a drug for which he didn't know the effects, and still accepted to use being an airline pilot, goes beyond recklessness. At the same time, we live in times when many outside voices insist that hallucinogenics are fun and harmless. But that point of view should never be shared by people who have human lives in their hands daily. I have worked in three different industries where they drug test everyone before hiring and during employment randomly, and have seen so many young promising guys ruin their lives after failing a drug test, but none of us work in a position so critically in charge of human life. His flawed judgment deserves that he's not allowed to ever set foot again into a cockpit or get a pilot license
Dan: You got that right. Nicely presented and perfectly analyzed.
He was depressed over the loss of his best friend. He was in counseling, but worried about the effects of anti depressants on his career, so he refused them.
You covered this perfectly. The under 40 crowd seems to me like they don't want to take responsibility for their actions. Kudos to the Captain for his quick reactions.
I don't think the use of drugs can be separated from mental health. One leads to the other. Mental health issues can lead to drug abuse, and the drug abuse can ten make the issues worse, or even create them by damaging the brain of a mentally healthy drug user.
The REAL problem is we know so little about mental health. The reality is, mental health is linked to the physical health of the brain, In medicine we tend to see mental health as separate from physical health. The physical health of the brain is strongly linked to mental health.
No pilot in the world should be taking a hallucinogenic drug, especially for recreational use. His careless and irresponsible choice almost cost the lives of 85 people and therefore he should never ever be able to be a licensed pilot. Now he can do all the drugs he wants whether for his mental issues or just for fun.
Some jobs just shouldn't allow mental health problems. Period. I'm looney as hell and on meds. I have NO business in any cockpit! Also no sympathy for this guy, as I said I'm looney as hell but have never thought for one minute to take shrooms.
And how exactly would you propose enforcing that? Do you think that the majority of people would volunteer information that they know would disqualify them from a career path that they want? All a full-stop ban will do is stop people from seeking help for issues that may well be totally treatable or solvable, either with or without medication. There should definitely be guidelines to determine what may be allowable with treatment, what may have duty restrictions, when temporary suspensions may be required, and what is simply too severe to allow. Those guidelines should be clear, fair, and very transparent. They should also include testing and self-assessment protocols to help pilots determine how fit to fly they are and procedures for stepping down, treatment, and restoration to duty status.
@@MikeDCWeld sorry I don't agree. There is testing that can be done. A version of the MMPI could be adopted. Mental illness is like any other disability. The unfortunate truth is that a disability can disqualify you from a job. Deal with it.
So basically, no one should listen to you. Got it.
Im sorry. No excuse for his behavior. Period. His flying career is over. His fault. His responsibility. Life is full of choices.
Bless your heart
COMPLETELY disagree. Everyone should be given a second chance when it comes to mental health issues, etc..Just my opinion. IF they can demonstrate they have been sucessfully treated, etc..AT the same time, some in our Own Healthcare System is trying to push for Mushroom use to treat mental Illness! HUGE mistake.
Explaining and understanding something is not the same as excusing it.
@@I_Evo if its Illegal, certainly. Even then there are exceptions to almost anything in life. Its sortof a double edged sword I suppose.
I concur.
What needs to be done is to break the stigma of mental illness. As a person with PTSD I don't talk about it much as people have the tendency to think I am broken. When I go to a restaurant I have to have a seat facing the door with a clear path. I do this so if I get triggered I can escape to go outside and get myself straight without wanting to hurt anyone.
I am one of the lucky people I know who is totally aware of my triggers and my actions when I get triggered. I have a better understanding of PTSD than most people.
But as I said in the beginning until we break the stigma that we are damaged or broken we can't educate people.
AGREED. I also believe he should be given a chance to get his license back, if he has gone through all the hoops to get help, heal, and move on, as long as he has satisfied the FAA's Medical Board, etc..
@@bill2066 I absolutely agree. He made a mistake and he knows it. In fact, he knew it immediately. His actions after, even before they landed, prove that. A mistake that we all know he’ll never make again. By giving him a second chance to get his license, and more importantly his career back, you’ll actually change his mental health to a positive. Which is what he needs right now. Having some slight negative issues that have now drastically become negative isn’t good. Hope that made sense. But yes, I do agree with you.
@@OMG_No_Way yes, Lord knows i've had my downfalls. "WE All have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God"
Convict him, prison time, goodbye.
Nobody forced fed him mushrooms or onto the flight. Supposedly mushroom's effect don't even last that long. Now he is on a pity tour and wants to fly again? Guilty.
Can confirm that mushrooms last for a max of like 6-8 hours. I don't know what was going through his head, but he didn't have any shrooms in his system by that point.
Non flying crew shouldn't be in the cockpit. That should be a sterile area.
There’s no problem with taking mushrooms or naturally derived DMT brother. Just don’t mix it with flying. The choice to get in the cockpit within 4 weeks of ingesting DMT analogs was his only mistake in my opinion. And if I was a doctor I’d say 6 months no fly after single dose. It’s no joke.
Agreed. Responsible theraputic use is key.
I prefer to be carry by 2 pilots one with mental issue under control when another pilot is aware of situation.
What scarry me most is TWO pilots with mental issue without any control AND if they AREN'T aware of situation of another.
This aircraft is manufactured by the brazilian company Embraer here in the state of Sao Paulo, about 55 miles away from the biggest south american city, also named S.Paulo . Their portfolio ranges from executive jets to big transport/military jets.
An evidential case study on why medicating with recreational drugs is not a good idea
I was going through a period in my life that was really bad. Don't worry, the FAA knows. It was 30 years ago, and I only fly recreationally. Part of the situation was panic attacks and what I think this guy experienced, too. Under these situations, you can get the fight-or-flight response. From personal experience, this is a very difficult response to control. You don't know when it's going to happen, and as it's happening you aren't thinking about anything else. And, for me, there was a lot of dissociation while it was happening. It took me a few years to get back to normal. Good luck to him. And maybe this is the impetus for real administrative and cultural change lest we have another Germanwings or Egypt Air.
when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s I flew in the jumpseat a number of times. My dad was a pilot for TWA and Piedmont.
I agree that there should be more support for pilots and the general public for mental health issues. Unfortunately for many years it has carried a stigma that labels and stereotypes.
As pilots we have the personal responsibility to ask ourselves "Am I fit to fly" whether it is in a professional setting or in a recreational setting. The same holds true for driving a car or operating any type of powered equipment...am I fit to do this; physically, mentally, etc.
He made a poor choice whether it was founded in grief or not.
I listen to that weird TV interview. This kind of talk should usually be reserved to the pre-sentencing hearing in court in front s judge.
I’ve been a professional mushroom pilot for 30 years with a quarter ounce rating. a flight lasts about 6 to 8 hours not 3 days. This guy was obviously flying VFR before he got on the plane, I suspect his morning omelet was not of the western type. They should yank his license and also take his entry level, dusty Martin guitar leaning in the corner.
Clever...
Absolutely agree. No way in fuck he was under the influence of mushrooms from days before. Yeah either took more of that day or completely made it up
Thank you for this detailed explanation. Apparently there are many angles to this story. This guy was lashed in media like crazy. He did a mistake, was very unlucky and is a victim of what have happened. Mental issues is an important and prevailing problem.
"Retribution is not justice"
As a professional arm chair salesperson and designer, also with 20 years of toilet 🪠 cleaning experience I can tell you exactly what happened here.
Just adding to the chorus of what the hell was he thinking taking mushrooms in the first place? At least eventually a bit of his brain realised he was out of control and got the FA to cuff him.
I'm just glad no one was hurt. Well done to the crew they are the stars of this story should be them on the news. Mental health is still something to support, it's like physical health we all have it whether good or bad and I wouldn't believe anyone who said they never made a bad decision (maybe not this bad) or had some trouble in their life. Take care, everyone!
Its really scary how many people that think psychedelics are harmless.
They are not harmless but they are not nearly as dangerous as presented in the media.
They can be useful tools in the proper set and setting. Using them when you work a job where lives are in your hands is never appropriate. If anything, he should have taken a week or two off from work if he wanted to use psychedelics therapeutically.
@@uss_liberty_incident Yup I completley agree. He shouldn't have made the choice to do this but what happened is not surprising given his previous mental state. It was a severe case of derealisation/depersonalisation at the worst possible time.
👍✅ Lot of time and thought went into this breakdown Dan👏
He’s everything that’s wrong with the current airline industry.. Should never be allowed on or near any aircraft ever..
He likely wouldn't have gotten to that point if the industry didn't automatically ostracize anyone that admitted to mental health struggles. All that does is force people to hide them and not seek help when it can be effective. That inevitably leads to worsening symptoms until the individual reaches a breaking point of some kind, resulting in some sort of incident. There will undoubtedly be more pilots in similar situations if meaningful changes aren't made. It's only a matter of time.
I am a retired regional pilot. All pilots are well educated on effects of drugs on their body. We all know that you don't take drugs or booze and fly. Sorry, his choice was very poor and it his choice led to this outcome. He is not alone with mental health issues, I have PTSD, so I know the choices he should have made, because I made them. Remove yourself from duty, get help, don't self medicate. Sounds easy, it's not. As a pilot, you are responsible for all the people on your aircraft, your duty is to them is clearly defined. We all in life make choices, good and bad. I hope this pilot gets the help he needs and I understand his desire to fly again. I hope he can return, but that choice is not his to make.
In my training with the airline, they clearly stated this many times. If you are taking an aspirin for a headache, why are you going to work? If you go to work, are you fit, headaches are distracting.
He’s a washed up ASA pilot.
I have no idea how that man ever got to become a pilot in the first place. Makes absolutely no sense
Thanks for the report. “Just say NO to drugs” campaign is one of the biggest failures on record. And make no mistake, yes this IS a mental issue. He is already admitted to being an alcoholic! He has an addiction issue. It doesn’t matter the substance. The man needs help. And jail time does little to nothing in solving addiction. It just helps people to be better criminals.
HE BROKE THE TRUST THE DAY HE TOOK THE MUSHROOMS
Imagine losing job, house, everything all at once.
I agree with your assessment of the real mistake. In my aviation career in the military and civil sectors, there are lots of complicated rules, but there's one super easy one: don't do drugs. I've seen more than a few careers ended early because people who could follow really complex rules couldn't follow a really simple one.
Agreed! Poor choices are never an excuse.
"Everybody speaks highly of the man..." An adult man who tries mushrooms like a rebellious teenager. Not America's finest, surely.
Only just in the first few minutes of this, but thankfully the pilots acted very quickly to prevent certain disaster.
I believe he had no intention of acting like that; but before anyone goes mad at me for saying this, that doesn’t mean I’m defending him or excusing him!
There’s a difference between pilot mental illness and hallucinogenic mushrooms as there is treatment available that is approved which is discussed here. However, I’m not a psychologist or psychiatrist so it’s only an anecdotal opinion.
Anyway, you were spot on with what was the “mistake”, and reminding everyone of how close another 83 people were to being no more.
It seems a bit strange to focus on Emerson apologising specifically for each individual act on the day and in the lead up to it, when he has already blanket-stated he takes responsibility for his actions. If he said “I take responsibility for my actions, except for taking mushrooms”, *maybe* it’d be worth bringing up, but as it stands it’s a pretty minor factor when there’s so much more important stuff going on around this.
The single most important aspect of the response to this incident is any change the FAA makes in how it views and addresses mental health. Anything Emerson says or does not say is inconsequential by comparison.
I’m sorry, no mercy for someone entrusted with many lives on an airplane to act in this manner- they’re conflating the issues. He must be dealt with severely
I don’t take medical advice from people who eat hallucinogenic mushrooms. I’m strange that way.
You should look into it on your own, and you will find there is increasing research (and results) into psilocybin as medicine.
But yea, as a pilot, dont eat shrooms.
@@MattH-wg7ou I get my medical advice from a medical doctor. I do not get medical advice from people who are high on drugs. I know it’s a radical idea to take advice from an expert but I’m a wild and crazy guy.
and how exactly do you do that? have you requested a drug test be done on every doctor who has ever treated you?
Thank you for the "lie to fly" thing, because we need to bring awareness to this. Blessings..
If you're in a bad place mentally, hallucinogens are not the way to go.
Not to be that guy but its "Shroom Pilot"
5:47 Trying to pull the Aircraft Engine Extinguisher IS Not A Mistake, That Was a Criminal Act.
"... procedures ... varies ... [sic]" -- "vary"
I advocate for the responsible use of psychedelics for mental health treatment, but never as an excuse for taking action which can harm others. I don't see why he couldn't keep his shit together.
Emerson taking psilocybin Friday could have nothing to do with his behavior Sunday.
This guy should never get his pilot's license back. Ever.
It's really unusual for the effects to last that long. Wonder if it was contaminated
Not only should he never pilot a plane again, he should be on the no-fly list!
So sad somebody reached that level
No way should he ever fly again
The biggest mistake he made , without watching the video, was not getting help a while back when he was on the edge.
Mental health issues? I wonder if he’s a former military pilot with PTSD? Uses drugs and alcohol to mask deeper issues? I’m a former military helicopter pilot, 3 years of combat, it’s complicated, but no excuse. The root cause of this event? The possibility of losing your license if you seek mental health care, or he’s a narcissist. Dude was definitely still tripping but was cognizant enough to suggest being handcuffed. This suggests he was fading in and out of reality.
One thing I don't see talked about quite as much: he hadn't slept in 40 hours. To me, that sounds like it'd have a bigger mental impact than some psychedelic mushrooms *two days ago*. Either that, or the sleep deprivation cranked the post-trip mushroom effects up to 11.
Because if the only thing he did "wrong" was merely trying mushrooms, I highly doubt things would have gotten this serious. There is theoretically a risk, but this kind of reaction is extremely rare, and often a sign of some kind of underlying sensitivity (which 40 hours of sleep deprivation could temporarily create).
That’s like taking psychedelics, was entirely his choice.
@@helipilotuh1 IDK. The way I see it, people know to be extremely careful to psychedelics (if touching them at all). People seem to be a lot less careful with sleep deprivation.
And the way I see it, sleep deprivation needs to be a critical part of the story *because* it's so much easier to overlook.
(Note: I'm not saying "don't mention the shrooms", I'm saying "do mention the sleep deprivation".)
@@0xEmmy The man was a former army aviator. I promise you he received training in fatigue and the dangers of lack of sleep. I’d be shocked if he didn’t also receive further training from his airline on the topic.
No room in the airline industry for those with bad judgement IMO. Depression or not. He also needs better friends.
Agree with your identification of "TAKING" drug in first place as the issue.
this is ridiculous to try to explain away this self harming pilot...it sounds like he had issues even as a young adult. So awful!
The question of that FAA guy, Dr. Brent Blue is horrific, if you either want to fly with an untreated or a treated depressed pilot, I mean. What kind of stupid and insane question is that? Someone with depression doesn`t belong in any profession he is in direct charge of the lives of other people. No pilots, bus drivers, train drivers, nuclear reactor operators or whatever. How many more cases like German Wings, China Eastern, Malaysia Airlines and so on do we need? And btw, anti depressants aren`t M&Ms, they have horrible side effect like:
- feeling agitated, shaky or anxious
- feeling and being sick
- indigestion and stomach aches
- diarrhoea or constipation
- dizziness
- not sleeping well (insomnia), or feeling very sleepy
With those symptoms there can be "mild" ones from serotonin syndrome like:
- confusion
- agitation
- muscle twitching
- sweating
- shivering
And severe symptoms like:
seizures (fits)
irregular heartbeat (arrhythmia)
unconsciousness
And that`s just a few on a long list and none of these effects belong into a cockpit knowing they may and will happen any time!
YES: Airman mental health IS an issue whose policies needs to be UPDATED by the FAA.
NO!: Emerson is NOT the Poster Boy for this needed campaign.
Yes, mental health issues can and do affect the choices made. That doesn’t mean he is free from consequence of the choice.
Do I want to fly with a depressed pilot or a depressed pilot on medicine? Neither.
I'd rather have a pilot that was receiving professional help and monitoring for their issues than one that was hiding them out of fear for their job. As long as their treatment is effective and they have a simple way to step back temporarily when it's not, then I'm fine. I want people I'm entrusting my life to to be able to be open and honest about potential troubles without fear of reprisals.
@MikeDCWeld "oh they'll just hide it" Mandatory testing, period. No pass no fly. Why should it be different than a heart condition?
@@MikeDCWeld this.
Well then you will be flying with a unmedicated depressed pilot as they wont seek treatment cause they know it will cost them their job.
@@bradsanders407 These are just a few of the side effects of anti depressants:
- feeling agitated, shaky or anxious
- feeling and being sick
- indigestion and stomach aches
- diarrhoea or constipation
- dizziness
- not sleeping well (insomnia), or feeling very sleepy
Pilots lose their license for a lot of illnesses and depression should be on that, too.
..."tried to kill 83 people, and the mistake that's not being talked about on this episode." Sounds like you are not going to talk about it. Better to say... "and on this episode we will talk about the mistake that others are not talking about.
Completely agree that there needs to be more support for mental health issues and I do believe with this guy there was a lot of self medication going on which lead to a bad choice. I do feel sorry for him but he did do something incredibly stupid and likely has destroyed his life.
It’s not self-medicating, that makes it seem that he was trying to help his depression/anxiety .. in reality he deliberately took the mushies to get wasted/high.
@@axelknutt5065 _in reality he deliberately took the mushies to get wasted/high._
And you have evidence of this claim? Have you sent it to the legal authorities?
08:15. Exactly! End of story!
This is ridiculous. If that dude was a plumber instead of a pilot, and did something that was seconds away from killing 80 people, he'd be in jail for a long time. But, he's a pilot so everyone treating him like a kid . Everyone has problems. We just don't try to crash airplanes. How does anyone know he didn't use mushrooms regularly? I don't want my pilots on antidepressants ... sad, maybe you need another job.
I totally agree with Dan , I wonder if the passengers who were on that flight realize how close they came 😡 should get a life sentence imo
This attempted mass murderer needs to be locked up- mushrooms are not the problem- the criminal is the problem
Love your videos
I hold a Commercial rating. It would be inexecusable if I took those mushrooms. Joseph Emerson holds an ATP rating! No excuse! The FAA .will revokee his ATP
Thank God he wasnt in command of a flight
can't seem to punish these kinds of people
Why wasn't he doing the interview from a jail cell?. Put him under the jail, no sympathy for him, none. Also if he takes full responsibility for his actions, then he should've already plead guilty to all the charges without any promises being made to him.
He can only blame himself.
Dude, none of this was a mistake. That's a copout, jf your doing acid your pilot career should be over. You can have flashbacks from acid or mushrooms for 25 yrs after you ingest them. Please stop calling this a mistake, how cheap can you get. When you get the wrong answer on your math test in school, THATS A MISTAKE.
Guy thought he was Juicy J for a night 😂
He is extremely cognizant of his emotions..response..decisions. Very coherent for fully delusional episode. No..he was aware.
Could they install sensors in the engines, and if they have both been shut down like this, allow for a restart, even though a restart would not normally be safe?
I can understand if a single engine failure might prohibit a restart because running the engine would cause more damage. But there have been cases where running a damaged engine is necessary.
I'm thinking of a British Airways flight that flew into a cloud of volcanic ash and lost all four engines. They were able to get the engines restarted though all four engines were badly damaged. they provided enough thrust to get the plane to an airport.
Later an Airbus safely ditched in a river after suffering damage in both engines. While no one was hurt because of some fantastic pilot skills, it would have been better if they could have restarted the engines, even though running the engines may have damaged them further. I'm not sure the damage would have been less had the not slammed the nonrunning engines into a river.
I'm no expert, but I can't see that as not causing a lot of damage.
It's the same as drunk driving. Lock him up.
Mental health issues, like depression, anxiety, etc. can change the neurochemistry of your brain. To say someone might have a mental health problem but the bad choice he made was somehow independent of that doesn’t tell the full story. The fella should definitely suffer consequences, for an unfortunate chain of events but mental health issues and bad decision-making are not mutually exclusive.
There was one cause, his decision to take mushrooms. End of story. He should never be allowed on passenger flight again. The message the press should be focusing on is the dangers of hallucinogens.
He took the mushrooms THAT DAY. He’s a liar and I hope he rots in jail.
He did
"Lie to Fly" was on Friday, August 23 and it was good, and chilling, to hear all that went on in the cockpit and the police bodycam video discussions with all crew. The FAA has got to get their medical program to allow pilots to get help in order. The ARC is only a recommendation, and the young student pilot who killed himself in a plane, pleading in his good bye notes to his parents to get the FAA change, are far from seeing that happen. We all know pilots who will only go to ONE AME - because it is a crap shoot to go to just any AME. As for Emerson, that must be adjudicated in court.
If they don't already do it, all airlines should do random drug testing.
Airlines don't test for Mushrooms, Mushrooms only stay in your system 1 day.
Quite Frankly, I don't care if one takes psychedelics in their own time as long as they can show up sober and perform their duties to the best of their abilities. I'm sick of this 'War on Drugs' fiction using "safety" as a flimsy proxy to dictate how private citizens experience their private time like Big Brother. Mr. Emerson made it everyone's issue through HIS actions and his alone. Just like how nobody seriously considers going back to prohibition because people drive (and occasionally fly) drunk, the same logic ought to apply.
People like him give us a bad name, shrooms can be taken safely and u don’t end up thinking ur in a fake reality unless u hv zero experience and a weak mind cuz one thing to keep in mind is u can always remind urself ur on shrooms and that’s what’s freaking u out
Under no circumstances is voluntary intoxication a valid legal defense…