I’ve had a 5060 Centerpiece up and running for 3 years in my studio. It does something very special to the audio and it has sped up workflow which is an important factor to me. It’s a baby 5088. It is my favorite piece of gear in my studio by far! Cheers!
Good observation, although I slightly disagree. It's brighter - but the Centerpiece is much meatier. Both sound excellent. Curiously the Satellite really didn't sound great comparatively .
So the Orbit actually had the most bass boost and low end. The others had that full smooth well rounded sound that meshes the tracks together. But theres something about the low end sensitivity of the Orbit thats quite impressive.
I’d print the mix through the centerpiece to get that awesome sense of dimension and separation. And for that impressive lush feel with that neve low end.. final mastering print through the orbit
You spend the means to get improved sound. How much of an improvement you get for what you spend is up to you to quantify. In the old days, gear like Neve was miles ahead; you really heard the differences. Lately, everything out there sounds pretty good and you have to listen to details and think in terms of how your body reacts to the sound to qualify differences. In my case, I’d be buying the satellite along with the Centerpiece so I wish there would have been an example of them working in tandem. You guys are doing great work here. Thank you.
Too much money to spend on just summing. Just my 2 cents. Buy Rupert 5012 (with silk, used for about $1200) and build a passive summing for $40. Spend the rest of your money on compressors (RND 5254, Masterbus processor, e.t.c.), mastering EQs, limiters like the Bettermaker, or even upgrade your converters!
Damn, at first when these came out I didn't really pay much attention to them. They sound amazing, the depth, density, and space they add to the mix is awesome
Why is the ITB mix so darker than the Orbit? Listen to the high hat at the beginning. The hat is very quiet. When you play the Orbit sample, the hat is much louder and brighter. Were those other EQs patched in somehow?
Fantastic demonstration with excellent visual feedback for the A/Bs, really appreciated your attention to detail here. 5060 won by a lot here to my ears, followed by 5059 and then Orbit. None of them sounded bad, and the hardware difference was evident (and beneficial!) in all of them.
Great resource, guys. Swedish national radio made a copy of mid 60's Neve, probably out of pride. It has an unmistable character all its own, but the takeaway here are the vital functions covered by this range, which are being implemented by my tech genius, as we hook up the new tube summing stage.
For this song and recording, I choose the ORBITwith RED silk engaged. Also curious on mic choice for the upright bass, isn't r121 rather muddy for that application?
Cool. I liked how you did the comparisons in such a way that we could hear the changes without forgeting the previous sound. Only one thing: how can the producer hear all that with hair AND a beenie over his ears??
I would love to also see you eventually do a video with the Neve 8816, which I've also had my eye on. The option of a fader pack for that one is intriguing.
Oooh. Orbit with the blue silk...yes please. Edit: After a second listen, preferring the centerpiece. But still, amazing transformation either way. Also what reverb is used on this mix, please?
The dig the track. Is the vocalist singing "Do you wake up in the middle of the night and was your meal made right and served with ultimate delightness"? Or (...ultimate delikeness)?
All the different mixes sound good, some better than others but my preference is for the raw summing mix which I think is sweeter to my ears, though not as smooth and stereo wide and lacking openness but less misty and blurry. I like the clarity and transparency on the recordings of the 60's and 70's.
I’m just wondering based on the color design white vs black do these new design Neves are they all same quality compared to the old white ones because the price of used ones are quite a huge difference. I’m trying to purchase a 5059 and prices are quite big differences
@@vintagekingproaudio Wow very interesting I guess a used one here would be the answer. Thank you And one more question appreciate your reply what is the difference between the 5059 and the 8816 both look similar but is there any differences in its utility they both look awesome other than the noticeable VU meters and maybe extra buttons
You can run the 5059 (or two 5059's I believe) into the 5060. There are some diagrams in the 5059 and 5060 manuals that show connectivity possibilites.
This is cool but I unno I’ll probably never know how it sounds on my stuff because it’s not possible to try this out easily like a plugin can do. I’m sure hardware is better. But I would rather use plugins
It can definitely be a subtle thing but there's definitely some sweet harmonic distortion and overall spread happening to our summing prints. If you have a pair of studio monitors at home, sit in your listening position and go from the ITB print to the summing mixer prints, you can literally hear the width and depth expand in all of the RND pieces (especially on the Centerpiece). When it goes back to the ITB print, it's like everything sucks in and stiffens up real quick. Thanks for checking it out!
You'll definitely hear a difference when you paid 8 grand for it. And you'll tell all your friends you hear a difference too. And the guy you're selling it to for 6 grand a year later. 😆
If you can’t hear the difference, don’t worry. The difference is pretty obvious from ITB vs the summing, maybe just give it some time and pick out specific details and compare. For me, I immediately hear the glue and silky openness. I hear that even on my iphone 11 speakers lol. It’s all about training your ear and hearing out for details. You’ll get there!
I like these new neve designs - but .... they do seem so rubbish compared to what he used to sell - I do understand it as his full desk would be too expensive - but this tiny thing verses his old full desk ... why couldnt he make his full desk but with cheaper parts and give us that
Because someone who's willing to shell out the investment that's a real console, then they're already doing this like it's serious business. At these price points, it at least gives small studio owners and avant hobbyists a chance to experience some of that mojo. There's not really a big enough market inbetween that to justify production, simple as that.
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So refreshing to hear a good band playing good music on an audio review. Thank you!!
I’ve had a 5060 Centerpiece up and running for 3 years in my studio. It does something very special to the audio and it has sped up workflow which is an important factor to me. It’s a baby 5088. It is my favorite piece of gear in my studio by far! Cheers!
Forget the audio, the video production on this presentation was pretty freakin awesome! The lighting and camera work and editing was top notch.
Was it just me or did the orbit sound the most attractive? Thank you vintage king for these audio examples. You know how to sell a product 😉
Good observation, although I slightly disagree. It's brighter - but the Centerpiece is much meatier. Both sound excellent. Curiously the Satellite really didn't sound great comparatively
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Absolutely. I thought the same thing scrolled down to see how far it would take to find someone else saying it and you were the first post.
Very cool. All three pieces add their own flavour, but the centerpiece is by far imparting depth and width in the most natural and pleasing way.
So the Orbit actually had the most bass boost and low end. The others had that full smooth well rounded sound that meshes the tracks together. But theres something about the low end sensitivity of the Orbit thats quite impressive.
These boxes sound ridiculously good.
Tell me about it 👍
They all sound good, but the 5060 for me gave the most depth and separation, love the 3D image.
This record is absolutely amazing front to back. I found it from this video and now that record is a grail in my collection.
The satellite sounds so lovely and natural. A make things sound better box
I’d print the mix through the centerpiece to get that awesome sense of dimension and separation. And for that impressive lush feel with that neve low end.. final mastering print through the orbit
This was an absolutely fantastic presentation. Thank you so much vintage king for taking the time to do this comparison.
Nice video. Love my 5060! Can’t afford a 5088 so made my own RND stack with 5060, MBP, MBC.
Incredible choices! That MBC is something else :::Homer Simpson drool:::
Man you were pounding those VU meters. Cool products!
You spend the means to get improved sound. How much of an improvement you get for what you spend is up to you to quantify. In the old days, gear like Neve was miles ahead; you really heard the differences. Lately, everything out there sounds pretty good and you have to listen to details and think in terms of how your body reacts to the sound to qualify differences. In my case, I’d be buying the satellite along with the Centerpiece so I wish there would have been an example of them working in tandem. You guys are doing great work here. Thank you.
Too much money to spend on just summing. Just my 2 cents. Buy Rupert 5012 (with silk, used for about $1200) and build a passive summing for $40. Spend the rest of your money on compressors (RND 5254, Masterbus processor, e.t.c.), mastering EQs, limiters like the Bettermaker, or even upgrade your converters!
Great demo and great song/performance! Well done!
Damn, at first when these came out I didn't really pay much attention to them. They sound amazing, the depth, density, and space they add to the mix is awesome
Very good explanation and demo!
Thanks for checking it out!
The orbit sound great and with the silks it get a nice air
I'm such a sucker for blue silk
Why is the ITB mix so darker than the Orbit? Listen to the high hat at the beginning. The hat is very quiet. When you play the Orbit sample, the hat is much louder and brighter. Were those other EQs patched in somehow?
Fantastic demonstration with excellent visual feedback for the A/Bs, really appreciated your attention to detail here. 5060 won by a lot here to my ears, followed by 5059 and then Orbit. None of them sounded bad, and the hardware difference was evident (and beneficial!) in all of them.
IDK why but this song reminds me of Pulp Fiction. The song they dance to and win at that dinner dancing contest.
Absolutely amazing, the centerpiece looks so tasty!
Yeah, we had a blast with that one. Thanks for watching!
They all sound different. The center piece has the most dimension and separation to me.
There’s a certain richness to the gear...
Great resource, guys. Swedish national radio made a copy of mid 60's Neve, probably out of pride. It has an unmistable character all its own, but the takeaway here are the vital functions covered by this range, which are being implemented by my tech genius, as we hook up the new tube summing stage.
what a cool band .... got a 50s vibe
Am Buyin everything asap let me check my budget
Raw Mix 9:42
Centerpiece 7:30
Satellite 9:57
Orbit 12:28
I like all of them. Thanks for this video!!!!
Good, that's recording colour sorted, now i need an SSL version for mixdown !
The gear sounds open and spacious.
For this song and recording, I choose the ORBITwith RED silk engaged.
Also curious on mic choice for the upright bass, isn't r121 rather muddy for that application?
Honestly, I feel a bit more separation in the mix with the orbit. I think the other two were a bit more homogeneous
Glad the 5057 is the least expensive because that's the one I need lol
What is the name of the track and where can I find it? Thanks
Cool. I liked how you did the comparisons in such a way that we could hear the changes without forgeting the previous sound.
Only one thing: how can the producer hear all that with hair AND a beenie over his ears??
Years of practice 🤣
Easy tiger... :)
Wish i could afford it! Great gear
Wonderful video! Thanks so much for doing this. I've been wondering how these sound.
I would love to also see you eventually do a video with the Neve 8816, which I've also had my eye on. The option of a fader pack for that one is intriguing.
Blue silk is a dark horse
What is the name of the track that Libby and the band are performing? It sounds beautiful with her voice.
Oooh. Orbit with the blue silk...yes please. Edit: After a second listen, preferring the centerpiece. But still, amazing transformation either way. Also what reverb is used on this mix, please?
Oh my gosh I needed to see this as I have targeted investing in The Orbit.. guess who won ?
THE WINNER IS THE ORBIT 🤪🤣🤪🤣🤪🤣
Thanks for this! What they bring to the mixes is mind blowing! Waiting on my orbit to arrive. Silly question; is that an Argosy desk? Cheers
😂😂😂 the orbit sounds so good I can’t believe some people can’t hear that
Sat with red silk is best.
이게 진짜 리뷰지..좋다!!
wow
The dig the track. Is the vocalist singing "Do you wake up in the middle of the night and was your meal made right and served with ultimate delightness"? Or (...ultimate delikeness)?
All the different mixes sound good, some better than others but my preference is for the raw summing mix which I think is sweeter to my ears, though not as smooth and stereo wide and lacking openness but less misty and blurry. I like the clarity and transparency on the recordings of the 60's and 70's.
nice, i see 2 avid carbons, does it mean you can stack them and use them simultanuously?
I’m just wondering based on the color design white vs black do these new design Neves are they all same quality compared to the old white ones because the price of used ones are quite a huge difference. I’m trying to purchase a 5059 and prices are quite big differences
There is no difference between the Shelford Blue and White versions other than the finish color.
@@vintagekingproaudio Wow very interesting I guess a used one here would be the answer. Thank you
And one more question appreciate your reply what is the difference between the 5059 and the 8816 both look similar but is there any differences in its utility they both look awesome other than the noticeable VU meters and maybe extra buttons
So can you hook up the 5060 and 5059 to get more channels? Would i be able to control them from the Centerpeice?
You can run the 5059 (or two 5059's I believe) into the 5060. There are some diagrams in the 5059 and 5060 manuals that show connectivity possibilites.
Nice! What is the verb and echo used?
i dont need no converters extra with the neve? just the center and im good to run my studio?
Can you track through the 5057?
What microphone was used?
This is cool but I unno I’ll probably never know how it sounds on my stuff because it’s not possible to try this out easily like a plugin can do. I’m sure hardware is better. But I would rather use plugins
MOAR COWBELL!
I need to sell my left kidney ,a lung, and two dauthers to buy this thing in Brazil
Big Johnny Cash vibes
I heard no difference 😏
It can definitely be a subtle thing but there's definitely some sweet harmonic distortion and overall spread happening to our summing prints. If you have a pair of studio monitors at home, sit in your listening position and go from the ITB print to the summing mixer prints, you can literally hear the width and depth expand in all of the RND pieces (especially on the Centerpiece). When it goes back to the ITB print, it's like everything sucks in and stiffens up real quick. Thanks for checking it out!
You'll definitely hear a difference when you paid 8 grand for it. And you'll tell all your friends you hear a difference too. And the guy you're selling it to for 6 grand a year later. 😆
If you can’t hear the difference, don’t worry. The difference is pretty obvious from ITB vs the summing, maybe just give it some time and pick out specific details and compare. For me, I immediately hear the glue and silky openness. I hear that even on my iphone 11 speakers lol. It’s all about training your ear and hearing out for details. You’ll get there!
Worlds apart..
I like these new neve designs - but .... they do seem so rubbish compared to what he used to sell - I do understand it as his full desk would be too expensive - but this tiny thing verses his old full desk ... why couldnt he make his full desk but with cheaper parts and give us that
Because someone who's willing to shell out the investment that's a real console, then they're already doing this like it's serious business. At these price points, it at least gives small studio owners and avant hobbyists a chance to experience some of that mojo. There's not really a big enough market inbetween that to justify production, simple as that.