In the Prog Seat: Album War-Rush vs Jethro Tull vs Kansas vs Van Der Graaf Generator
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Join the In the Prog Seat crew for an album war between 4 bands whose albums represented are absolute classics: Rush 'Hemispheres', Jethro Tull 'Thick as a Brick', Kansas 'Leftoverture' and Van Der Graaf Generator 'Pawn Hearts'.
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1. Pawn Hearts
2. Thick as a Brick
3. Hemispheres
4. Leftoverture
My choice too, but I don't think Leftoverture is Prog!
@@lemming9984 I don't like Kansas but come on, they might have an American, blues/AOR type sound but those compositions are absolutely progressive rock compositions. Different vibe as the British, more psychdelic bands, but compositionally they are full-on prog.
@@lemming9984 Hey... just playing by the rules set by the pannel.
1) Pawn Hearts
2) Thick as a Brick
"Little gap"
3) Hemispheres
"Three galaxies gap"
4) Leftoverture.
Yep, Kansas aren't Prog!
@@lemming9984 Yes they are! They're just not good prog.
@@nectarinedreams7208 I mainly listen to Prog, but sometimes I want to listen to something that isn't. In the early 80s I copied a friend's Leftoverture to cassette but only listened to it in the car, where I want something lighter and easy- listening. Kansas fit the bill perfectly! I do like the album, but haven't heard it since those days.
1: Pawn Hearts; 2: Thick As A Brick; 3: Hemispheres; 4: Leftoverture.
4. Hemispheres
3. Leftoverture
2. Thick as a Brick
1. Pawn Hearts
1 Pawn Hearts
2 Thick As a Brick
3Hemisphere
4.Leftoverture
1. Pawn Hearts; 2. Thick as a Brick; remaining tied for 3.
I'm with Ken! 1. VDGG, 2. Tull 3. Rush 4. Kansas
With this crowd, I knew right off the bat that Rush was going to win!
Hm, the comments here paint a slightly different picture, at least from a brief review.
4. Van Der Graaf
3. Thick as a Brick
2. Leftoverture
1. Hemispheres
Pawn Heart
Thick As A Brick
P.S. I'm not surprised that Ken put Pawn Hearts first as his tastes generally seem somewhat less mainstream (he often mentions Krautrock and rare European albums). Even though Van Der Graaf were very good musicians, they were not about flashy virtuosity - they were all very much in service to the mood and the arrangement.
1. Hemispheres
2. Thick as a Brick
3. Leftoverture
400. Pawn Hearts
Geddy said the best concert he saw was Tull TAAB tour!
Leftoverture and Hemispheres are tied for last (never even heard Hemispheres) and Pawn Hearts and Thick as a Brick I could listen to forever and never get sick of them, there's so much going on in both...simply timeless masterpieces.
1. Hemispheres
2. Thick as a Brick
3. Leftoverture
4. Pawn Hearts
This was a surprisingly easy ranking for me
1- LEFTOVERTURE. 2- HEMISPHERES. 3- Thick as a BRICK. 4- Pawn HEARTS. 1 and 2. Very close. Thx guys / great episode 👍💯
#1 Thick As A Brick
#2 Pawn Hearts
#3 Leftoverture
#4 Hemispheres
Just to be clear, I love all of these albums and the rankings are certainly not meant as a knock on any of them.
That last minute and a half of The Wall makes it such a paramount gargantuan god album for me. If The Wall wasn't on it then yes Rush is my favorite band and Thick as a Brick is fantastic too
Van Der Graaf Generator is the best by a wide margin.
Yes indeed!
Yep.
1. Pawn Hearts ( Theme One was used in the Friday rock show, BBC radio 1 at 10pm on friday nights, hosted by the late Tommy Vance)
2. Thick as a Brick
3. Hemispheres
4. Don't own any Kansas.
Depends on your taste in prog. Personally VDGG are the very definition of prog and Pawn Hearts is probably their greatest work. Ken is right about the commercial veneer when it comes to Kansas, Rush in the 70's were hampered by Geddy's overly high pitched vocals which he toned down throughout 80's thankfully and where they produced their best music imo and my favourite Jethro Tull is prior to Thick as a Brick.
Fun episode!
1. Hemispheres
2. Leftoverture
3. Thick As A Brick
4. Pawn Hearts
1. Pawn Hearts
2. Hemispheres
3. Thick as a Brick
Leftoverture - different kind of sports
Went back to Pete’s rankings of RUSH/ KANSAS/ he actually did them back to back days. 4 years ago. - first RUSH then KANSAS- I definitely know my 3 &4. It’s my top 2. Playing them over & over all day. lol 👍💯
1. Rush 2. Jethro Tull 3. Kansas 4. Van Der Graff Generator. Didn't need to think about this
1thick as a brick
2leftoverture
3pawnhearts
4 hemispheres
Van der graaf generator are incredible, good on you Ken for sticking up for them!
Thank god Ken was here to bring balance to the universe lol.
1- VDGG
2-Tull
3-Rush
4-Kansas
Fantastic episode. For me:
1. Thick As A Brick - Jethro Tull
2. Leftoverture - Kansas ( very close to 1)
3. Hemispheres - Rush
4. Pawn Hearts - VDGG
I'm with Ken 100% as far as rating goes. I have all 4 albums in my collection and they are all excellent in their own way but Pawn Hearts is an absolute masterpiece.
1 Pawn Hearts
2 TAAB
3 Hemispheres
Kansas - Prog??
1. Pawn Hearts
2. Thick As a Brick
3. Hemispheres
4. Leftoverture
*but I say that Leftoverture IS a very good album! And it has the best album cover, no question!
1. Leftoverture
2a. Hemispheres
2b. Thick as a Brick
Distant 4. Pawn Hearts
I love these band shoot-outs. They're more interesting than talking about one band. And who would have put Van Der Graaf Generator up against Rush? Excellent that you did that!
I'm going to have to listen to some more Rush. We haven't clicked yet, but a million SoT gurus can't be wrong.
Well, I'm off to listen to Pawn Hearts for the first time. Cheers!
Easily the best of the four!!
@@lemming9984 I wouldn't go that far, but I do have to say that it stands very well on its own against the other three. I was pleasantly surprised!
Not a prog fan gentlemen, but i like expanding my boundaries and learning new material. 👍
👍
1 Pawn, 2 Brick, 3 Hemi, 4 Leftover
4 KILLER Albums. I’ll be watching this episode when I get home!!
I love jazz rock, and I'm a huge prog fan, but I've never been able to get into the North American prog bands. They seem to lack the psychedelia and surrealism that I love so much about the British bands. I also don't really like hard rock, AOR or even much classic rock so bands like Rush and Kansas just don't do it for me at all. That said, I would never try to deny their prog credentials. Rush and Kansas are most definitely prog, at least on these two albums here.
So, for me, as much as I love Thick as a Brick, and it truly is a masterpiece, Pawn Hearts has to take the cake for me. It's totally spellbinding. A fearless record. Peter Hammill is a genius. Godbluff is my favourite but Pawn Hearts is very close. Then I'd probably go with Rush in third and Kansas fourth.
1. Hemispheres
2. Pawn Hearts
3. Thick as a brick
4. Leftoverture
Can't wait to watch the episode!
According to the 40th Anniversary Special Edition of the Steven Wilson remix of Thick As A Brick the album now has 8 tracks 😂 At least on Spotify.
Same for me on Apple Music
Note to Pete: For future reference, if you want to find the best overall by rankings, then just add up the 1s, 2s, 3s and 4s and the album with the LOWEST overall score is then the "best" using that measure - becomes quite straightforward 🙂
Excellent show and a great in depth look into four classic albums from these iconic bands
1. Hemispheres
2. Thick As A Brick
3. Leftoverture
4. Pawn Hearts
Van DeGraaf and Tull definitely tied for first! Leftoverture to me is more of an AoR album.. never could get into Hemispheres too much.. Give me By-Tor or the Necromancer!
For me:
1. Leftoverture
2. Hemispheres
3. Thick as a Brick.
4. Pawn Hearts.
To be honest I haven't heard Pawn Hearts but a few times in bits. So I'll definitely listen when I get home from work.
It's good but honestly man I think the albums after and preceding it are much better. Now remember this is definitely just my opinion loads love Pawn Hearts but ehh I think you are better off with Godbluff, Still Life and World Record.
1. Hemispheres
2. Thick as a Brick
3. Leftoverture
4. Pawn Hearts
Was very easy for me as well
I'm glad Rush ended up on top, but they are all classic albums, and it was fun watching you guys sort it out. Great show. 🍻🤘
1. Hemispheres
2. Thick as a Brick
3. Leftoverture
4. That other one
Looking forward to the episode but the personal winner by quite a wide margin is Thick As A Brick. Likely biased as spent months reading and re-reading the “newspaper” with the album. Then seeing the band live on the tour for this album and hearing it performed in its entirety sealed the deal. A continued favorite since buying it on release. If awards are given for silver and bronze sine Tull takes the gold, those would go to Rush and Kansas, respectively. A thanks in advance to those appearing in this episode.
Thick As A Brick is my favorite of these albums by a pretty wide margin as well.
4. Pawn Hearts.
3. Leftoverture
2. Thick As a Brick.
1. Hemispheres.
And Eric P. - I will be glad to take that VDGG album!
1. Leftoverture
2. Thick as a brick
3. Hemispheres
4. Pawn hearts
Thick as a Brick is easily my favorite. I’m not sure how I would rank the other three though.
1. Hemispheres
2. Pawn Hearts
3. Thick As A Brick
4. Leftoverture
All masterpieces
1. Pawn Hearts
2. Hemispheres
3. Thick As A Brick
4. Kansas (I wouldn’t even really rate this album as it’s never been an album or band I’ve really ever liked).
I have the same order 👍
a little late to the party but...
1. Thick as a Brick
2. Pawn Hearts
3. Hemispheres
4. Leftoverture
My favorite is Thick as a Brick by Jethro Tull because it was parodied on The Simpsons by the character Martin Prince. Do any of you remember that? How about you, Pete Pardo?
D’oh
I never watched The Simpsons.
1- Hemispheres
2- Pawn Hearts
3- Thick as a Brick
4- Leftoverture
As I hear them:
4. Jethro Tull - "Thick as a Brick"
3. Kansas - "Leftoverture"
2. Rush - "Hemispheres"
1. Van der Graaf Generator - "Pawn Hearts"
Good for you. Give VDGG some love.
@@willyupshaw Those that do not like simply do not understand... we all hear things differently.
Spot on Joe. I have the VdGG Charisma Years box set and those 2021 remastered albums are fantastic imho.
@@sdrandazzo The box set is manna from heaven.
Have to go Tull ,Rush, Kansas, pawn
1) Leftoverture
2) Thick as a Brick
3) Hemispheres
4) Pawn Hearts
Thick as a Brick is my #1. Funny that Hemispheres is exactly the kind of thing that Tull is satirizing. Though La Villa Strangiato is a great track, the rest of the album is so-so. If I'm not mistaken, Thick as a Brick is one of Geddy Lee's favorite albums. Haven't heard the other two.
Easy one for me…
1. Leftoverture
2. Hemisperes
3. Thick As A Brick
4. Pawn Hearts
Kansas’ Best album, best sounding as well.
Alex’ best album? Maybe 👍
Agreed with the order.
We need the rankings of the YES solo albums from 1973-1979. Include Peter Banks and Bill Bruford. Any chance to hear Dr. Nasser crack on Anthony of Sunhillow is gold. There's lots of good stuff in there make it happen.
Flash, Badger, Trevor Rabin, White, Squire, Detective...Banks has A LOT of good stuff in that time period (at least 7 albums, and two more if you include '72)
I think adding in "proper bands" and Trevor Rabin not being a 70's member is maybe too much for a large panel.
That would require me sitting through a LOT of albums I don’t care for, but I am game if the guys are.
😂
Dr. Nasser please convince them. We need more talk about the ☀️ (hillow). 😁
My Ranking
1. TAAB- 5 stars
2. Pawn Hearts- 4 1/2 stars
3. Hemispheres- 4 1/2 stars
4. Leftoverture- 4 1/2 stars
Old Man Prog has Kansas last, shocking. Missed a chance to put on his overalls. 😂🤠🎻
Hillbilly music
🤠😂
Two albums I like, two albums I love, so for me it's the following:
4. Kansas
3. Rush
2. Van der Graaf
1. Jethro Tull
Kansas, Rush, Tull then way in the back barely getting out of the gate Vdgg
1. TAAB
2. Pawn Hearts
3. Leftoverture
4. Hemispheres
1. VDGG
2. Tull
3. Kansas
4. Rush
1. Hemis
2. TAAB
----
3. Pawn Hearts
----
4. Leftoverture
One and two are hard, I love both immensely but I'll pick the naked guy today 😀
Pawn Hearts is also great, never had a problem with the voice, love how PH uses it to color the songs.
Kansas is not one of my fav prog bands but I do really like Leftoverture and it was cool that a couple of the panelists brought up Cheyenne's Anthem, always loved that one.
I have them all... Thick As A Brick....No contest; that album is my life. As far as there being a CD release with just one track for Thick As A Brick.....there is one late 1980s Australasian CD release, catalogue number CDCHM 321003, with no parts 1 & 2, and just the one track....I think it maybe the only example.
1. Rush
1A. Kansas
3. Jethro Tull
34. VDGG - Peter Hamill unlistenable
Awesome list
Geddy Lee = (unlistenable)^3 ; should've stayed in the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse
I dunno. I listen to prog for its weirdness. The whole point of prog is to be off the beaten path. For me, Walsh is a bit sickly sweet. There's no edge to Kansas. They're too well-behaved and pleasant. Just not what I look for in prog. Anderson, Hammill, Geddy, all prog legends.
Pete, just do a Golf score point tally. Lowest points win...KISS principle.
The better war would have been:
Jethro Tull - Stand Up
Rush - Permanent Waves
Kansas - Point of No Return
Van der Graf - Pawn Hearts
1. Hemispheres
2. TAAB
3. Leftoverture
4. Pawn Hearts
1. Thick As A Brick
2. Hemispheres
3. Leftoverture
4. Pawn Hearts
1 Hemispheres
2 Thick as a Brick
3 Leftoverture
4 Pawn Hearts
There it is!
Rush
Kansas
Jethro Tull
Van Der Graaf Generator
I love all of these albums but this was an easy ranking: 1. Hemispheres (my fave band, my fave album by them and my 3rd fave album of all-time), Thick as a Brick (also a top 10 record of all-time for me, Leftoverture and Pawn Hearts
Admittedly, I only heard 1 of the 4 albums.
1. Hemispheres.
1. Pawn Hearts 2. Hemispheres 3. Thick as a Brick 4. Leftoverture but the top 3 are very close. VdGG are very much a marmite band - few will have it second or third.
I have the same order.
For me it's
4th Leftoverture
3rd Hemispheres
2nd Pawn Hearts (even though Man-Erg is my favourite VdGG song)
1st Thick as a Brick
1st and 2nd flip flop. For a long time PH was number 1, but have been relistening to Tull recently and TAAB is the one this week.
Now Rush is my favorite band. But... I have to say this: The fact Leftoverture has The Wall on it slays everything else.
1 Leftoverture
2 Thick As a Brick (I love Rush but this is a masterpiece more so I think)
3 Hemispheres
4 Pawn Hearts (I love VDGG, I do, but this was never a favorite of mine. I pick plenty of the other 70s and 69 material above it.)
There all good albums here but only one is a musical masterpiece in prog stuff and that is Thick as a brick ! From the first minute to the last it's never dull or drops off and becomes uninteresting at any stage.Well done Pete you got it right !!
1) Leftoverture
2) Hemispheres
3) Thick as a brick
4) Pawn Hearts
all masterpieces
TAAB, Pawn Hearts, Leftoverture, Hemispheres.
1 Jethro Tull 2 Van der Graaf Generator 3 Rush 4 Kansas.
Hemispheres is the correct winner.
1.Thick As A Brick
2.Hemispheres
3,Leftoverture
4.Pawn Hearts
1= Leftoverture
2 = Hemispheres
3 - Thick As A Brick
4 - Pawn Hearts
My favorite past comment here about one of these bands, paraphrased- i mean, the violinist wears coveralls…
Favourite sophomores is vastly genre-dependent, but for metal, I propose Judas Priests' "Sad Wings of Destiny". It's still a masterpiece, even if you don't like kaftans.
Great show! Cool to see the wide range of opinions.
1. Tull - Brillant packaging and a great prog record.
2. Rush - Not my favorite Rush, though I appreciate what's going on.
3. Kansas - Masque is a huge favorite. Leftoverture is a little too slick, though it has some really great songs. The Wall!
4. Van der Graaf Generator - I'm not fully on board yet, but gradually warming up to Hamill and this band.
Thick as a Brick
Hemispheres
Leftoverture
Pawn Hearts
Maybe its odd, but I like The Least We Can Do and H to He a lot more than Pawn Hearts
You and me Colton are cut from the same cloth buddy. I concur ten fold 100%
1. Hemispheres- by far my favorite. Perfect album. Circumstances might be the less great song but it is still very good.
2. Thick as a brick- Very fun and great music
3. Leftoverture- Great but some not as great songs. The highs are very good.
4. Pawn hearts- I have never liked them.
i could never get into gentle giant because of the vocals van den graf similarly, but not quite as much
Been waiting for these from those with knowledge not smakama gobbs 🤣
4. Pawn hearts (Peter Hamill) takes a little getting used to
3. thick as a brick
2. Leftoverture
1. Hemispheres. My favorite Rush album still