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Me: *Absolutely stunned by 1st position and thought it's the greatest study of all time*
Nelson: "Hope you guys enjoyed that little warm-up puzzle..."
Coincidentally, while I was reading this, Nelson told that 😂
@@sivavijay1208 omg me tooo lmaoo
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No you can not because you will just checkmate on the next move. Something he could have mentioned though
Right?! Lmao…
The first puzzle really sheds light on how powerful bishops can be against rooks. Two bishops and a king forcing a rook into only two possible spots on an empty board really shows the potential of bishops in the end game. Really clever.
mainly the bishop pair, a single bishop has too big of a blind spot of half the board.
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@@nomismus5523 what? Half is correct...
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In the first puzzle if you play the Rook move to c3 in the line he suggested once the king goes to d2 once you play the best move K b1 if you take the rook it's stalemate again.
Ok duh take it with the king not the bishop
@@williethomas5116 I squatted over a mirror and got banned from public transport
I think I've said this before, but I really appreciate how you show, in full, lines and moves and ideas that are likely evident or clear to higher level players. Like, basically, I appreciate that you don't forget about your sub 1k rating audience. I'm not much above 1k but I remember being around 700 and getting really frustrated with some chess RUclipsrs when they would mention some idea or line off the cuff that I just couldn't see. You never do that. Cheers and thanks Nelson.
I'm not even sub 1k rated; I don't play chess at all. I just think these puzzles are interesting, so I absolutely agree on how great it is that he shows the lines that might be self evident for someone with a deeper intuition for the game.
I would in a million years never think about trapping that Rook
Last puzzle, endgame 10:03 : what stops black from causing a stalemate by pushing the pawn on a3 - Ka1, Knc5, a2?, Knd3 but then it's a stalemate.
I thought about the same thing, but after a2 it's Knb3#
Ka1,Knc5,a2,Knb3
After a2, Nb3# is checkmate with the same position but a few moves earlier. So black moving his king is delaying mate
knight moves from c5 to b3 and its still a smothered checkmate
Nb3 is mate
Plugged this into Lichess as a study with the thought of : What if the black king doesn't walk into the smothered mate? Whelp, black still loses: mate in 27 once white takes the queen with a knight. Great puzzle.
Thank you for that Timman problem. I've seen that mating-net before, but it's stunning how White is forced to sacrifice both rooks, both bishops and 3 pawns, and promote to a knight.
"You only have a knight! You couldn't possibly checkmate me!"
"You have a pawn."
"But I can still draw!"
"You misunderstand me. You have a pawn, therefore I can checkmate you."
@@NOBITA69420 Yes you can checkmate with Knight to B3 and skipping those other moves. You just make the checkmate even quicker that way.
@@FatherManus You cannot make it quicker
@@FatherManus That would result in a stalemate.
The funny thing is that in a timed game, the second puzzle isn't a win for white. The black player can just walk away from the table, and when their time runs out, it's a draw by "insufficient material"
These puzzles are great but there is something most of them have in common:
We do not get a queen, we get a knight.
importantly at 2:52 after Kb2 Kd2 Kb1 white must play Kxc3 since Bxc3 is once again stalemate
The second puzzle's smothered mate actually has a name. It is called "Stamma's Mate", named after a French chess player Philipp Stamma.
If the king does not move back but moves the pawn to b2 the white king must back off or get a stalemate. The black queen is coming.
@Write Rider how
@Write Rider If black put king at a1 and push pawn forward, the white knight at b3 is a checkmate
that second puzzle took me longer than the usual 4 days to figure out.
a week without chess puzzle from Nelson is a bad week
How nice to see an old Jan Timman study. When I was young he was my chess hero.
At the end of the second puzzle, why doesn't black push the pawn immediately to provoc the stalemate instead of going back and forth ?
If they push their pawn right after moving the king the first time, you can still get to b3 in 1 move and arrive at the same checkmate
really love these puzzle videos. keep it up!
You missed an important part of the last puzzle where if black tries to go for a stalemate
I was thinking about how black could just move the black pawn for a while as well, however it’s still winnable since white can just move the king
so after White traps blacks king, if Black goes Ka8, white Nc5, black a2 like you said, Nb3 is checkmate
@@addsp1233 After a2, Nb3 is simply checkmate
@@addsp1233 what if the b King goes under the W pawn, if the W King go to c2 its a stealmate, if not, Black can waste time until the horsey take the b pawn, now King takes White pawn and its a draw
Im a 600 that dont know chess terms, but you got the point
9:40 Once you play Kc1, can't Black play Ka1, then pawn to a2, forcing you to move your K to avoid stalemate, allowing Black to promote his pawn?
*_EDIT:_* Never mind, Knight checkmates on b3.
Thank you for seeing and the. Editing for the answer. I was also confused but I didnt see the knight!
it actually a draw. Black could get a draw with moving the pawn up earlier so the king has no where to move. They don't have to move the king back and forth so you cannot win with the knight.
@@mannyr5306 its checkmate if they move the pawn
Couldnt the pawn move forward at the end there and force stalemate? There must be a quicker way to get the knight there
(Edit) Never mind it just would have forced the smothered mate 2 moves sooner
Thanks, I was wondering the same thing.
I love how your videos are never clickbait
Great chess explained in a very sympathic and professional way!! Thanks so much!!!
What a puzzle. Like, I thought in the second one this will be a draw since king can capture the pawns. And of course I am wrong because smothered mate comes to the rescue. Such a amazing video as always.
actually the black pawn had the time to push and then it would be a draw i think but of course i am wrong right ?
EDIT : the knight can actually check on b3 and then he can adjust
Love your videos! Never stop making content!
That second puzzle was amazing, with all the variations, especially that last one.
2:49 nice trick by black, king moves to b1 and if white immediately takes the rook it's stalemate.
Kxc3
@@ishan7735 oh yeah it only works if white takes with bishop
@@bennysontennyson yep
On the last puzzle, couldn't black have forced stalemate by pushing the pawn earlier?
7:12 when I saw that sequence with the double Rook sac and the pawn sac, followed by underpromotion to a Knight, I was positively disgusted. Devious af!
At 8:39
What if black blocks with queen. So
1.... Qd5+
2 Qxd5 Kxd5
and then black's king is closer to the pawn on c3 so it shouldn't be a problem to capture it and then move to the a2 pawn.
Isn't this line win for black?
Edit: OK, on second thought I just realized white doesn't have to capture with the queen and can instead just move his king to f4, and since black's queen is basically pinned he has to trade the queens which allows white to protect his pawn and get to a king and pawn vs king endgame (considering the edge pawns are blocking each other).
I thought the first puzzle was harder... because I didn't get it right. I just didn't see the winning idea at all. I thought defending the pawn with the bishop was the correct start.
The second puzzle is much more complicated but the winning lines are obvious and natural moves without having evaluated the whole decision tree. In truth, I didn't see the "repositioning rook" line but made those same moves anyway because they obviously improved the position. The b7 move was pretty self-evident because the knight fork under-promotion was self-evident but I didn't chase it all the way down to the smothered mate... the position was just "better".
The second puzzle was a good puzzle and one I can't claim I solved but one I would have pretty much made the correct moves OTB on (and gotten lucky, I guess). But the first one, I would have drawn, apparently, and then obsessed over why it wasn't a win until I ran analysis. I don't think I would have ever made the correct move(s) OTB.
Puzzle 2:
Remember, when you calculate this, you had to take into consideration that this only works if the king is on a dark square when your pony is a a light square and it is your turn to move. There is no way to lose a tempo without freeing the black king, once it is trapped, and no way to lose it before without letting the pawn promote.
And as we know, the knight cannot lose an odd number of tempi.
Imagine you calculate something like this, and realize that your knight is out of sync with the opponent's king.
In fact the knight has to be in a position that can check black in 2 moves. Otherwise black could have just pushed the pawn and it’s stalemate. This is a stronger condition than the knight has to be on a white square
@@ericho3762 I believe you are absolutely correct.
Thank you for pointing this out.
wow i love the single knight mates but you always gotta have a good tempo because you cant lose tempo with a knight
in the 2nd puzzle what happens if he brings the pawn down after the king move? the knight is too slow?
I like your chess puzzles and videos . Big fan of you ❤️.
In the second puzzle, I wondered for a while why Ra8 wasn't a winning first move for white. Sacrifice the rook, promote the c pawn that is still protected... Took me a while to realize that ..Qg4 is a purely devastating move and as far as I can see mate in 2. In case anyone else wonders.
Ahh ok thanks, I was confused as to how that doesn’t win
Why doesn't d5 work for the white bishop?
In the second puzzle at the end (around 10 min) can't black go king a1 and then pawn a2 and stalemate themselves before the knight gets into position to checkmate?
Fascinating. Thank you
Another excellent video, Nelson! My brain is now warmed up and limber for the day ahead.
Second puzzle, couldnt the pawn push after king was on A1 to force a stalemate before the horse got to C1?
I was thinking the same thing. On the second last move right?
On another note, your "horse" is a "knight", buddy
@@arnoldbissen9921 will always be a horse
Nope, if he goes for hte pawn push first, there's a different maneuver for the knight, not the path followed in the video. Its pretty straightforward, try it!
Knight can go straight to b3 for the check mate if black pushes the pawn instead of stalling with the king.
Black can just run the clock down and it'll be a draw due to insufficient material
I really appreciate the simplicity yet brilliancy of the first puzzle, although the second one is obviously also great.
On the 2nd puzzle, at 10:10, Black should push the pawn up behind the king, so the white king has to move to prevent a stalemate, which gives Black the opportunity to promote the pawn
On the last few moves the black can voluntarily move the pawn and entrap its own king, forcing a draw. All he does is wait for the knight instead.
Isn't there a stalemate threat if Black moves the pawn to a7 early in the 2nd puzzle?
Was hoping to see what that line looked like. Just double checked, that just forces the smother earlier. Nb3 mates.
Wait a second... but cant black just do a stalemate by just moving the king then the pawn and not doing circles?
"and ultimately we're going to be able to checkmate with the two bishops..." Speak for yourself Nelson 🤣
Unlike a bishop knight endgame which is rather tricky to figure out on your own, two (alternate color) bishops can create two impassable diagonals, much like a single rook on a horizontal/vertical.
The idea is the same... Continuously limit the king's movement using those bishops and your own king (for tempo or to take away squares).
Also, it should have been mentioned that on 1.Bd5 (it looks as a logical move as defends pawn on f3) then black has 1..Rc7 + and on 2.Kd~ 2..Rd7! and draw! Also 1.Bc4 1..Rb3 with 2..Rc3+ and draw again!
Amazing..
Thank you so much for sharing
black could have survived for longer by not taking the pawn, but ultimately loses to the white pawn getting through
What would happen if black can pushes the pawn immediately after black king comes to a8
Imagine winning an end game with a few pawns beating a queen
curious - n the second puzzle what if you do not move the king back but rather move the pawn to A2 forcing the white king away or end up in a stalemate. After black king moves to B2 the queen is coming and the white knight will be grabbed up also leading to a stale mate. Am I missing something (I am not very good but I love your puzzles).
🎵 Trapped between two bishops
feeling like a fool
I thought I would escape checkmate
Only to get schooled
Bold of you to assume that i can mate with 2 bishops
The second puzzle was really good. I predicted 3 moves.
9:37 Here the best move for black is Kc4, not Kb2. And the game becomes complicated.
on the second position i think black should have pushed the pawn sooner cuz then its a draw and black cant get matted
EDIT : the knight can check on b3
The first one is cool, but the second one is amazing! Imagine sacrificing 2 rooks, 2 bishops and 3 pawns, and then checkmate with a knight
question:in the second puzzle couldn't black just push the pawn and its a stalemate?
Tags to first puzzle: bishop pair, skewer.
Tag to second puzzle: Mate in 15+ moves.
1st puzzle absolutely stumped me but the second one...every single move up until after forking the king and queen was my first thought (and subsequently threw it out bc "it looks dumb")
Black could force a stalemate by moving the pawn while the knight approaches in the last game
10:12 wouldn't a2 be stalemate next move?
Knight b3 checkmate?
Thanks a lot for this presentation. Nice how all pieces will be reduced to just one knight!
07:54 By the way, Qd4+ (instead of Qh8+) is possible at once as Pc3 will cover.
Very nice puzzles!
I think some websites will declare a draw as soon as knight appears, because it considered to be "unsufficient material".
5:43 I'm obviously missing something, but why does black capture with the king and not the queen? The queen is still attacking c8 (so white can't just promote that pawn), add when white advances the other pawn to b7, black moves the bishop to e5 for a discovered check and attack on the pawn
Found what I was missing. After queen takes e6, white promotes the c pawn for a queen, checkmate
That's logical. I'm not sure the problem
10:11 black could get stalemated moving a2
that end puzzle was great!
6:54 if you wanna be really mean you could under promote to a knight in that position XD
The first puzzle isn't quite over at 2:47. Black has Kb1 and you can't take the took because of stalemate! But you can just throw in Bf5+ first and then everything works out.
Or take the rook with the King, no stalemate and you checkmate with the bishops
Yep, or u can take with the king
You could also capture with the king. Leaves black with room on c1.
The smug smile drawn on my face when i realized what the mate was
the second one is just insane, a double bishop sacrifice followed by a double rook sacrifice is killer vs a queen + bishop
After Knight->C5 I was wondering why not move the pawn for a stalemate, but at that point the knight could have moved in to B3 for the smothered mate right away. And since the king can only move up and back it gives 2 more moves for the night to get into position. Nice.
Mind boggling
10:12 Should be noted that if black try a2, they get checkmated automatically.
However if a2 follow by Nd3, it was a STALEMATE!
5:49 "Black has to take the bishop." Agreed, but why not with the queen?
In the second one I actually guessed two of the moves. I didn't see the continuations, but I figured they probably made sense. 😀
In the first puzzle if the rook is pinned and the black king goes to B1, white has to take with the king instead of the bishop, to avoid stalemate.
So what this the exception to the “you need at least 3 knights by themselves to checkmate”
There are so many things to learn in chess. For a newb like me it's like light years away.
You got any tips on how to create chess puzzles?
The first puzzle is so beautiful and elegant
pos 1: black draws by Rb1 check instead of Rc3 check
I didn't figure out either puzzle until the last "if you would like to pause" on each. I did see the rook trap but only after the bishops were both in the center. Trapping a rook on an open board was not what I was looking for until it was imminent.
Black could force a draw at the end. By doing pawn to A7
for the second puzzle, what's stopping black from just pushing the pawn early and stalemating themselves?
One thought on the second: If black's objective is to prevent white's win, couldn't it play for a stalemate and just push the pawn before the knight gets close?
10:08 black can draw this, considering he probably is seeing already the problem, by moving the king down, and moving the pawn, drawing the game because he cannot move anymore
I dont understand why the black in second puzzle waits for smothered mate instead of pushing pawn right away and either having a stalemate or white moving the king away
For the second puzzle why BF7 and rush pawns to queen dont work?
I somehow guess all of the moves without knowing why they work.
I have one question: In the end, couldn't he have moved his pawm instead of the king? That way it would have ended in a stalemate if white decided to bring his knight closer.
That would force you to move your king away. Black then moves their king away and there's no way to stop them from getting a queen and you stalemate or maybe even lose
That was incredible.
He moves pawn instead of king at the end of the second puzzle so black got a stalemate
At 10.12 min why not black moves the pawn instead of repeating king moves for a stale mate
That 2nd puzzle was nice.
In the second puzzle, at the end, could black push its pawn early to get a draw (mate)
About the first problem. To get the nice domination of Black's rook, this relies on Black playing 1 ... Rb3, which is less than best. Stockfish much prefers 1 ... Rb6 2 Bd5 Rb5 3 Be4/Be6 and play is not so interesting.
The knight jump pattern reminds me a puzzle by Bolton (?): Mate in 11: 8/8/8/6N1/5Qp1/6q1/7k/5K2 w - - 0 1
What if black just forces a stalemate by pushing the pawn before the knight is in place? If white does king b3 it prevents the stalemate but ultimately allows the pawn to promote.
that 2nd game reminded me of being in a cult where ppl r just being sacrificed left and right.