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- Moneyball - It's An Unfair Game: Billy (Brad Pitt) is frustrated with the scouts when they refuse to think differently about their financial problems.
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Billy Beane (Brad Pitt), general manager of the Oakland A's, one day has an epiphany: Baseball's conventional wisdom is all wrong. Faced with a tight budget, Beane must reinvent his team by outsmarting the richer ball clubs. Joining forces with Ivy League graduate Peter Brand (Jonah Hill), Beane prepares to challenge old-school traditions. He recruits bargain-bin players whom the scouts have labeled as flawed, but have game-winning potential. Based on the book by Michael Lewis.
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Cast: Brad Pitt, Nick Searcy, Vyto Ruginis
Screenwriter: Aaron Sorkin, Steven Zaillian
Director: Bennett Miller
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"Who's Fabio?"
"Hes a shortstop from Seattle."
@Montana Roots No there was actually a shortstop from Seattle named Fabio
That’s probably the funniest thing in here
@@shiv3510 yea but I think Brad's character meant the other one
@@shiv3510 lmaoooo
I always laugh out loud at that part
"...and then there's us, then there's 300 more feet of crap, then there's Pittsburgh Pirates."
DUDE FINALLY SOMEONE REALIZES WHAT PITTSBURGH HAS BECOME
As bad as it is, at least they're not the Diamondbacks... Who lost 17 straight games in the 21 season.🤮
@@machinist7230 padres................... i guess i am a fan
I always think of "my"Pirates" when watching this flick. We attend one game a year just for a dog, a beer and to enjoy the stadium. I can walk to the park from our house. Sad.
1:07 Barry actually was correct. He focused on the numbers, not the names. Thats exactly how Billy fixed the team, by getting the OB%, hits, HRs, etc.
@Daniel Treadwell the team certainly did... they always lost in big games
@Brodhax Agreed! and Billy's image of "rich teams, poor teams, crap teams and then there's us" was just a bellyaching generality that said nothing interesting or true.
The difference is that homeruns and RBIs don't show the clear value. You can be an incredible hitter without home runs, just ask Ichiro Suzuki, and RBIs are completely dependent on the external factors of the other players. Stats like OBP and OPS narrow the scope down to what a team really needs out of one singular player.
@@noahbaden90 wait, in what world does ichiro not have home runs?
@@EMETRL I'm just saying that Ichiro has 117 homers out of his 9934 at bats and 3089 hits. Home run generation is nice to have, but you hardly need to be hitting 38 homers a season to be one of the best. HR number is a stat that shows greatness when you have it, but you don't need it to be great, and thus, overlook players that would otherwise be a great help to a team.
Actor who played the scout who gave Brad Pitt resistance was excellent, not sure I’ve seen him in anything else
I think some of these guys were actual scouts. No proof, just something I might've heard once or maybe I made it up in my own head.
As far as I looked, the guy you’re talking about is named Ken Medlock, and from imdb he only did to two other projects after Moneyball. Moneyball seemed to be his only major role in an iconic movie which is really sad since he looked like a really great actor, not a lot is known about him, he wasn’t a real scout btw, non of the people in this movie are
Yes his portrayal was great.
That actor was the umpire who threw out the entire team during the brawl in the movie Major league 2 .. and he is the assistant manager for the Minnesota twins in the movie major league 3..!I guess he really knows baseball if he lands these baseball roles
@@PrehistoricLEGO He was a player before. He was hired originally as a technical advisor on the film and ended up playing a scouting role. Some of the actors in this scene have been scouts before, with the exception of one or two
“That sounds like fortune cookie wisdom too me.”
“…no, that’s just..logic.” My favorite line 😂
Who's Fabio? 👴🏻
Hes a shortstop....a shortstop from Seattle
“His girlfriend is a 6. At best”
Lmao
Some go for the 6 and drink until she’s an 8.
But she gets on base
We all been there...
@M It's also the most corrupt. FIFA scandals dwarf anything that's ever happened in MLB, NBA and NFL combined. And those leagues are older.
I think the biggest part of the movie that people missed is that the “problem” was never fixed. Boston and the other large market teams simply adopted the Athletics ideas in future seasons. The competitive advantage essentially disappeared overnight
Yep...they only truly had the advantage for one season
Missed? It's the ending to the movie, man. No one missed it.
Exactly. Thank you.
Sorkin wrote a movie to deconstruct the Beane myth- which was really the Michael Lewis myth. This movie makes a lot more sense if you don’t assume Beane is the hero but instead a man damaged by his past who like the head scout says had it in for the whole scouting system. In that sense Beane did prevail because that entire school of thought was destroyed. The “problem” isn’t that baseball has rich teams and poor teams it’s that billy wishes that scouts hasn’t talked him into going pro.
The story of Billy’s own career as a prospect is fascinating and a perfect example of the scouts getting it completely and utterly wrong.
Moneyball is a revenge story.
Beane’s theory was to fix the problem w/o spending money. That’s how Moneyball came to fruition. At the end of the movie, he was offered a deal to manage the Red Sox and declined because that would’ve defeated the purpose of Moneyball since Boston is one of the most expensive teams in baseball. Teams with money to spend in future years used Moneyball to their advantage to be able to win w/o being the most expensive. 2015 Royals and 2017 Astros are a great example of that.
"An ugly girlfriend means no confidence." A very underrated line.
It's frustrating that you don't understand even after watching that scene how absurd this sounds to agree with him. Evolution has clearly not selected for your perspective. "It's logic." Show me a being who is cruel and singularly self-serving, and I'll show you an ugly person. Beauty is form and function, and nature has much broader definitions than our petty, outdated, unscientific notions on the subject. Ever noticed how many "ugly" people there are? Did it ever occur to you that those who are truly confident and intelligent select for those attributes over the by far inferior choice of this decade's transitory notions of beauty? Is it hard to imagine that a truly confident person might select for their own happiness or for what a being brings to table to enhance their well being and success in life?
While i respect why you might find a reasonable proof here, it is fascinating that you don't see how glaringly you've missed the point of the entire film about which you are commenting.
I apologize if my tone is condescending or didactic. I'm fed up and want this way of thinking to leave the grand narrative. It is untrue and it is hurtful rather than helpful to our ability to thrive as a species.
Abigail Bruner bruh was that really necessary for this troll comment
@@king_supreme1102 You asking why I'd give my energy to his troll comment? Because i seldom articulate what i see in the world, & it felt quite satisfying to try it out. ;)
@@abigailbruner5790 I agree with you there Abby , Ugly girls are a sign of weakness in a ball player, They should have some fine machine on their arm
@@charlesscruffy5214 Well, advancements in A.I. claim to be exponential. Soon they can order one. Top notch, million dollar plastic. ;)
“Each and every man under my command owes me 100 Yankee scalps. And I want my scalps!”
I totally agree
"Who's Fabio?" "He's a short stop in Seattle."
Brad Pitt is becoming Robert Redford before our very eyes
The thing about Fabio is that he gets on base.
underrated comment.
Fabio always gets to at least 3rd base
Lmfaoooo
So he walks a lot...
But does Fabio talk when Billy points to him?
"Who's Fabio?" Hilarious!
Don'tchaknow he is a SS for the Mariners!!
If this scene is accurate, I actually have sympathy for the old scouts.
There was a time when the A's were the big dog at the table. They competed for and won World Series.
The idea that they had devolved into the laughing stock of MLB must have been hard to accept.
Which is why it is necessary to bring in a new, fresh perspective that can see things differently.
The A's were the big dog when they were owned by Walter Haas, the CEO of Levi-Strauss. Hence the "selling jeans" line. Then in 1995 the team was sold to a group with less money to sign players.
I loved the dialogue in this movie makes me feel like I’m eavesdropping
Old Guy1 - "Who's Fabio?"
Old Guy2 - "He's a shortstop from Seattle."
Can't think how many times I've rewatched this scene
Now Billy Beane is gone.
Sad days for Oakland ahead. He made them competitive every season, coming 1st in their division this year, 2nd every year before. They honestly need to move the team.
What will moving the team do ?
They don’t need to move. They have have one of the best and most loyal fanbases in the game of baseball...real diehards that I am proud to be a part of! The A’s to start need a new ballpark..or at the very least tear down that eyesore known as Mt. Davis so it looks like the coliseum I remember from my childhood. It was much nicer when it was open and you could see the hills in the background. The A’s are in a large market metro area. They need to do a much better job of generating revenue by any and all means necessary!
Compare Brad Pitt acting in this movie to his early stuff like Thelma and Louise. Incredible what an excellent actor he became.
Guys who care more about appearance of the players and not their abilities in playing baseball.
djargus but does he pass the eye candy test
But can he get on base?
Some MLB scouts like to look at things like that. Also with the rating of the girlfriend. They want confidence, its hard to be good in baseball withput confidence.
@@connorjackson7995 True, but it also seems like they're not getting the idea that you shouldn't care if the guy is ugly, can he play and can you make him a good professional ballplayer.
That’s one thing with today’s game. It’s not right.
It’s interesting how these guys did not seem to understand that they didn’t have the money to afford players who could play like the ones they lost.
"An ugly girlfriend means no problems"
The idea for the "Money Ball" theory started in Oakland a few years before the streak. Most of the organization was on board with it, including Art, and it had to be built over time. Not a single season as Hollywood makes it out to be.
Can't wait for the sequel, "Funnyball" based on the Houston Astros cheating scandal.
Astros weren’t the only ones that cheated, they all were doing it
"If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying"-Ozzie Guillen
@@anngraber9384 lol whatever helps you sleep at night champ 😂. Your ring will be looked down upon as fake long after you’re gone. Literally no one respects you or your franchise
“...If we try to play like the Yankees in here we will loose to the Yankees out there...”
Underrated line
*lose
Imagine if scouts talked like this about Vladdy Jr. and dismissed him because he wasn't a sculpted Adonis.
That’s why you can thank the A’s for squashing this type of bullshit lol
All the old person talk cracks me up
This movie conveniently doesn't mention they had the AL MVP on their team.
Nor does it mention they had three great starters lol
The movie was based on a book written by a business journalist. Of course, he's going to wonder how a team is going to win more games after losing three of their best players. The book is very clear that player development simply means that, after the six years are up and they make it to free agency, they are going to get signed by richer teams. This is why they lost Giambi and Damon in the first place.
He only won that MVP because Oakland had that winning steak. A-Rod hit 57 homeruns with .392OBP that season and Tejada hit only 34 homeruns with .354 OBP but won the MVP over A-Rod. A-Rod's WAR was 8.8 and Tejada's was 5.7. Also, the whole point of the movie is that they had good players while paying much less money so yeah.
"We know what the problem is-"
"Then what's the problem"
*silence*
They did not, in fact, know what the problem was.
How do they have jobs? Not a single stat mentioned, just their personal player preferences... That's the worst kind of scout, one with something in mind already
Yeah, the set-up here is a tad cartoony. In real life Beane's battles with old school scouts was no doubt much more of a struggle, less revolution than trench warfare, every scout speaks in numbers.
passes the eye candy test LoL
This movie is about thinking differently. I sure as hell don't know jack about baseball.
my favorite part....who's fabio? "a shortstop...a shortstop from seattle" LMAO
When you are in a room full of individuals who are "Just not getting it" = total frustration...
Ken Medlock kills in this scene.
Fabio is probably the blond long hair model from 90's
"There's rich teams and there's poor teams. Then there is 50 feet of crap, and then there's us"
So Fisher owned the team then, too?
The problem they have to solve is understanding how Fabio got a contract with the Mariners.
Pitt should have been nominated for this role.
This clip, at least to me, seems to take a shot at old time scouts. Yet it was these same scouts who probably found Mulder, Zito, Hudson, Chavez and Tejada, guys who had much more to do with the A's success than Scott Hatteberg or Chad Bradford.
Passes the eye candy test
Scout aren't coaches or manager, they can't be responsible for who to pick in the first place, but I guess this is the changes happening.
Okay not only is this Brad Pitt's best performance but he looks most attractive here too.
Legends of the Fall, Fight Club...
Same thing with Olson and Chapman !
Who's Fabio?...shortstop from Seattle..lmfao!
"Jesus Christ I tell you you can live too long" Bill Burr line fits perfect
Every session of Congress: Colorized
Grady represent everything that is old and bad in MLB
Didn't most of that team including that insane pitching rotation get found and drafted by the scouts and developed in the first place?
They were great at finding Talent.
Barry Zito and Tim Hudson. Yes they were both drafted by the A's scouting department, under Billy's rule of drafting college pitchers. Read the book Moneyball and it explains it in great detail.
Barry Zito, Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder, Dan Haren, Rich Harden, Joe Blanton. They had no shortage of talent in the rotation. But this movie is more about the FA side of things, so it makes sense I guess that they go after David Justice, Scott Hatteberg, and Jeremy Giambi in this movie.
But as for the drafting, yeah, these scouts were good at it.
Someone should get an A's jeresey with Fabio's name on it.
shortstop for Seattle
2:38
Lmao we use science to design chairs. Why wouldn’t scientific analysis work for baseball?
So what does no girlfriend say....asking for a friend.
Who’s Fabio? Shortstop lol
I know ntg about baseball but is the criteria of a baseball player being scouted really that shallow??
No.
The Moneyball model sucks. Reliance on analytics rules, but the idea that it's cool to sign a player with any kind of value for a relative pittance can suck it.
Ugly girlfriend means no confidence
He looks best this time on entire his career
Dam, this sounding like my Baltimore Orioles now... all love though
Yeah it’s been rough
The O’s don’t actually develop good players worth poaching now though.
To be fair to the old guys. They did make a couple championship runs in the 80’s or was that the 90’s?
The A's won the AL West in '88, '89, '90, & '92, going to the Series '88-'90 and winning it all in '89. They had Jose Canseco, Mark McGwire, Rickey Henderson, Dave Stewart, Dennis Eckersley, and other notables.
Whose Fabio?
...he's shortstop..
WHO'S FABIO
Who’s Fabio 🤣
Damn Yankees
Hes a short stop from Seattle
micheal cameron *nods*
Is there some kind code that makes all bosses jerks
They aren’t even his bosses, he’s theirs. Doubly infuriating when your offensive and defensive coaches think they are better than you, the GM.
Who's Fabio?
A very, very nice man. Ummmmm.
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What is the problem
Infinity
What is “Oakland A baseball” compared to anyone else? That type of sentence never made any sense to me coming from anyone, especially if you’re not a championship winning team lol
Well, before the A's adopted sabermetrics, I imagine it's their "brand of hustle", situational hitting/pitching/fielding, and the mental aspect of the game. Like a "never give up" attitude and what not.
Just a bunch of general stuff that the coaches and scouts spouted off to inflate their job duties.
they were pretty competitive in the years before this movie. They were also only, at the time of this movie, a little over 10 years removed from 3 straight American League Pennants and 1 World Series Championship. The year before this takes place they lost to the Yankees in 5 in an incredible series. Yeah, Oakland A baseball was actually pretty good. They were really up against a legit problem, though, that is correctly presented in this movie. Losing 3 major free agents in one off season is a killer. They couldn't even go up 1 million per year on Damon. They had absolutely no chance with Giambi against the Yankees. Isringhausen I'm not sure about. But usually teams in small markets have to do a great job in developing talent in their farm systems to be able get them to the big leagues young and have them for a few years before the big dogs come to eat.
This is a game fair, because if you want a good product, you have to invest. If you do not have funds, you must have smarts manager like Billy Beans.
Still not fair
It's a fair for some managers who want to inscribe his name as a legend of the industry. If you are a manager who bring a small market team win the World Series? Think about it.
Never really understood the need for mlb scouts... Most of the scouting is already done going into college. By the time they are out, you know from enough games and the numbers how good they are. Sure the scouts who find players who didn't go to college may mean something but those players don't normally go the the majors off the bat. Although I guess I grew up during the time of numbers meaning something instead of if his girlfriend is ugly or not.
Plus a lot of them have pepperoni nipples.
Obp
Under Billy Beane the A's have lost the ALDS 3-2 six times and the ALWC 3 times...only once have they had a playoff result that has deviated from those two, when they got swept in the 2006 ALCS. It's not a commentary on anything...just weird...
I dont understand why people act like Billy Beane is some kind of genius. The A's never won. He was their GM for 18 years. In that time, they only won a single playoff series against the Twins in 2006. Other than that, they were out in the first round every single year. No world series. Oh wow, he took a terrible team and made them...mediocre at best? What is it that I'm missing?
But you have to be in the playoffs to have a chance to win. it's better to be a contending team that falls short than one that never makes it at all, wouldn't you agree? I'm sure Pirates fans would; Mariners fans would and definitely Padres fans would. Wanna ask the Detroit fanbase about how their sports franchises are doing?
@@dangelo1369 'it's better to be a contending team that falls short than one that ever makes it at all'
must be an MLB thing the NFL has the opposite concept (and I despise it)
The physical america hooghly post because father unsurprisingly embarrass within a ceaseless tailor. outrageous, simplistic pedestrian
I didn’t like brad Pitt in this. I think his roles like Troy were better served to his talents and raw emotion or that vampire movie.
MoneybaLL (2011) - It's An Unfair Game Scene (2/10) | MoviecLips
Anyone with common sense can walk in that room and understand they are all being dumb. None of what they said in the first 20 seconds had anything to do with playing the game but they were counting them as major factors against a player. It's like when people need a new car but their main criteria is the colour. ITS DOESN'T MATTER! Or should at the very most be the last thing you consider if you have two entirely identical options.
17 peoples girlfriends were a 6. At best.
This scene is like life every step of the way.
Financial issues, people abandoning ship when you need them, a worthless peanut gallery of doubters... yeah, been there.
Brad Pitt is so good. Nice script too. Great movie.
Honestly, the 3rd guy ended up saying exactly what the problem was - the problem Billy goes on to repeatedly mention throughout the rest of the movie.
This movie is a masterpiece
I had a coach hit on my gf in college and it was creepy having an old man talk about her like that...maybe there’s a problem 🤷♂️
If she was good looking alls well, ugly, he was doing you a favor
@Rodzilla Sense of Humor??? LOL .. If a girl said it all well !
“Who’s Fabio?”
“Short stop…short stop from Seattle.”
Pure gold
Brilliant book and movie by a brilliant author but it is funny that Lewis (or the screenwriters) got the meaning of the jeans quote by Beane all wrong. When Billy Beane said "We're not selling jeans here" what he meant was that the team was no longer owned by the Hass family of the famed Levi Strauss company. In the A's heyday of the 80's and 90's the A's were the big spenders poaching players from other teams (Dave Henderson from the Sox, Rickey Henderson from the Yankees, etc.) with the fat checkbook of Walter Haas. Beane was on those teams.
"Whos fabio?" "Hes a shortstop for seattle." 🤣🤣
Most people are talking about the other lines, but I think those two were the best of the scene lol. I wonder if any of these guys lived to see fidget spinners lol.
I would have fired 2/3s of those guys right there. They are clueless, and taking money in exchange for stupidity.
He told them exactly what is happening, what is obvious to every 8 year old baseball fan, and it bounced off of their stupid skulls.
When you tell someone something obvious, something so fundamental, and they completely dismiss it, and then speak to you condescendingly, you have to tell them their services are no longer desired.
It says a lot about 'entrenched' management... guys who have been there so long and are so firm in their ideas that not only do they not know how to change, they are clueless as to WHY. I love this scene, because Billy cuts right to the heart of the matter, and just like a lot of zealots, they don't try to listen, they try to convince Billy that BILLY is wrong... even though he's in CHARGE, and pointing out the right problem!
From a management standpoint... Billy wasn't just having a money issue in this scene, but a titanic ego problem with that whole staff. Just like you said... they were completely condescending, which makes the follow-up scene with Peter Brandt, (Jonah Hill), so damn good!
@@ZakEmber Scouting is always a crapshoot. Give you an idea: in 1967, the two NY teams drafted two young talents available. The Yankees drafted Ron Bloomberg (ultimately became the first DH in MLB history) and the Mets, acquired a pick from the newly relocated Atlanta Braves and picked Tom Seaver. The rest is history.
@@dangelo1369 The Mets had some luck in acquiring the rights to Seaver. Luck that literally got pulled out of a hat.
Fabio used to be so good when he was in Seattle, was right up there with Jeter, Nomar, and A-Rod
*A-Roid
Hey, Dr. Fauci is sitting next to Brad!
Exquisitely drawn divide between death and life for a baseball organization. Overarching is baseball as a whole is dying. Too slow and too boring. All the sabermetrics in the world can't save it.
I think in the long hall you're right. The game was perfect before the tech age hit. Now there's just so many alternative activities available to young people, videogames, other sports, more vehicles are available (more mobile), social media, streaming, etc. At 25 I don't want to follow the Twins 162 game schedule, each game takes 3+ hours to watch as well. For half the season it feels like there's nothing at stake. It would take somebody at least 500 hours to watch every minute of there teams regular season versus 48 hours to follow a full regular season of an nfl team. You can follow every minute of 10 teams regular seasons in the NFL to 1 team in the MLB.
Who's Fabio ...... ? Ha ha ha lol his girlfriend was a 6
That one scout was pissing me off.
That first dude talking looks like John Wayne Gacy...
2:11 - 2:15
2:32
I still wonder why Brad didn't get the statue Oscar for this role even on net is written something else. But maybe someone saw the same as me in 2012. 😢