I'm glad you've decided to give yourself a break and simply upload regular Fire Emblem gameplay over some crazy challenge using a difficult unit. This montage is giving me great flashbacks of my own January. Time flies. Elder enthusiasts eating good tonight.
He's not an insanely powerful unit that keeps up like Titania or Seth, but he provides what only Louis gives you within the first chapters, which is a front line damage soak and damage dealer. Without Vander you're in for a terrible time on the highest difficulty. He weakens foes down and can tank the blunt force of a loaded enemy phase which is super helpful early on where you don't have access to broken Emblems yet.
Fun video. I really disagree with anyone putting Vander bottom tier, even if he only contributes to the early maps in an "efficient" playthrough, thats better than being bad throughout the game.
Even if he’s not a great combat unit past Ch5, his high HP pool makes him a very good unit in taking hits to be healed by Micaiah Great Sacrifices or group Mends, and so he does help to provide exp to other units. He’s the only solid axe unit who can be broken in early game and so is great at baiting sword breaks immediately through to at least Ch10 whereas Bouch is just too weak without a training arc, Jade can’t be broken and other axe users need second seals/master seals to exist at a point where they’re scarce. He’s also a early promoted unit who can be second sealed into Griffin or Royal Knight for extra high move staff bot duties without needing a master seal, which can situationally make him a valuable support unit on teams where second seals aren’t in high demand, such as if using a ton of the royals who mostly want to stay in their unique classes. Also old man is funny,
Unironically this was similar to my experience using Vander. Decided to give the dude a try, slapped Hector on him, gave him Starphere and used Legacy for a boost to Arena exp since he gets normal arena exp and more with that, then Canter for normal maps, and he was just as good as the other units I did that with. He even looks slick as hell engaged with Hector, so I like using the guy.
Before you ask: I am sure the devs are actually at the wisest when designing this Jagen archetype character. The manage to figure out how to make a "well-balanced" Jagen archetype character here in mind when "tanks enemies and nearly ORKOs them so that your weaker units can killsteal for EXP" thing factored. Vander might have low growths but he does maybe possibly catch up if you give him a lot of skrimsh exp later on. His growths are at least not exaggeratedly bad like the early FE games' Jagen archetypes. In fact, Vander is actually built perfectly for a Jagen type character: his stat build is so bulky. Boost his Def, Res and HP more, and he will survive attacks you think he can't otherwise. He's not speedy, but he will hit like a truck with Silver Greataxe.
I found Vander very useful as a tank after I gave him a dawn engraved iron greataxe, so it's cool to see that pushing that idea further works even better. That Ike montage was worth the buildup
Honestly vander perfectly fits the “crutch character” idea that jagens are “supposed” to be. He’s a bulky unit for new players to rely on but as players get better they’ll lean on him less in favour of other units (and by other units I mean Chloe). I just wish his hitrates were better and his personal didn’t make him more likely to steal kills.
ignoreing... this calling a jeagen bad is like calling your mom bad because she "falls off" in the late game like bro she took care of you when you at your weakest show some respect
Making him as Great Knight and pair him with Ike Ring, along the Anti-Follow up attack skill is like making a Walking Fortress with Hard Counter. Vander never be benched on my playthrough xD
That was an INSANE video, jeez, he could tank crits just like Brom ! Honestly, it's also funny t osee that you almost managed to recreate the trailer moment where he crits....or maybe it's scripted I dunno? Or that random dude getting 2 23% crit Also emblems are really busted, also is it me or it's the second time some manages to get Aether and rekt everyone ? (we don't forget Roderick here)
Super super impressive video as always but like the most impressive thing to me is that you kept him paladin the whole time i went in expecting a switch to warrior or maybe wyvern but holy shit that was phenomenal
Dude your savs bugged it says paladin when he's a general. Taking 1 x 9 like it's nothing. Oh its double bugged since he is getting more crits than a berserker.
Of course one of my favorite characters in Engage would be a Jagen in one of the worst possible games for Jagens. Still love him to death, I’ll make to sure to give him a good build in Heroes when he is released and in Engage if I buy the game.
Trying this without dlc and using Great Knight Vander instead My guy is still slaying, right now he can oneshot Griss' entire team in ch17. Never Slander the Vander
I think some Old School fans haven't accepted that Engage has made it EASY to make even VANDAR a JAGAN hard to fall off if you devote yourself to keeping them viable! Feels like they expect EVERYONE to play Maddening (I prefer Hard/Classic! It's a BALANCED setting that keeps it hard, but not unwinnable IF I'm smart, Maddening is good EARLY on, but DEAR GOD is it aggravating! I feel Maddening in the future SHOULD balance the "Extra Skill" Unbreakable/Veteran+ to be more REASONABLE! Veteran+ makes me think Veteran was suppose to be on Hard which is LESSER and still allows Effective damage to an extent! And not 100% remove Break! I really feel that would have been WISER for Hard! What I liked about Maddening in Engage was it felt like it barely increased enemy stats and convinced you to be smarter then "be more overpowered" but then the DLC went into "SNK Boss" mode on me the moment I made the mistake of waiting till Level 20 to do Hector and saw that DEF stat of his and realize you HAVE to do ALL the DLC the moment they are unlocked and get the Bracelets, Soren, Hector, Chrom and Camella especially or you will REGRET IT) Feels like they judge them on you going into Maddening and never equipping a Ring on characters to judge them, then are surprised. I kept hearing SOO MUCH about Kagetsu and frankly was disappointed! On his join map he's good against the final stretch enemies on Chapter 11. and maybe a slight bit on Chapter 12, but he struggled for real damage on chapter 13! This is without rings and was little different then Lapis who I love using more! Then I used the rings and he was about the same as Lapis! Low Investment really doesn't get explained WELL to understand what it means. Frankly it feels like "you use less books" but you STILL have to raise those bond levels and FORGE. Frankly every character has something you must work on! And the fun is seeing the FRUITS of your labor Vander for example is NOT SO GREAT in the Doubling Department, and is likely to get doubled himself! BUT his damage is on point and he can take hits. So work around that (same applies to Bunet! Choose what to make em and stick to it (You can even help with DEFENSE on Vander via making him a Great Knight! and now he has a second weapon....really feel two to three weapons needs to come back! Hated how Paladin was stuck with ONE weapon)
vander is not a bad unit per se i think if he is so low in the tier list it is because he is a very good tank at the beginning but he will be replaced and when we try to play him again it will be less strong
Not to be rude or anything, very impressive that you made him work, but isn’t this just putting a lot of effort into something other units can do better and with less effort…?
Игры
Vander being paired with Sigurd despite his old jagen role is a reference to how all Genealogy fans are in retirement homes
Old man voice: piss off
The developer of this game made the Vander unqiue battle convos for Emblem Sigurd and corrupted Lumera just for this video
The only thing this video is missing is the tier list fading back in at the end with Vander at the very top of S tier.
I like Vander a lot too. He's a good argument for "HP is the best stat" and he's got like 94 of it in my file
Gunther's legacy lives on.
Seeing THE Vander take only 4 damage from Sombrero's AoE while everyone else took lime 20-40 damage got me good lmao.
This is the mission of the stewards
my favorite part of Engage maddening is figuring out ways for Alear to feed kills to Vander
When we needed him most, he returned.
Jagens never fall off, it's a skill issue.
I'm glad you've decided to give yourself a break and simply upload regular Fire Emblem gameplay over some crazy challenge using a difficult unit. This montage is giving me great flashbacks of my own January. Time flies. Elder enthusiasts eating good tonight.
he really vanded all over those guys
We do not tolerate any _Vander slander_ in this household
Old Man with a Comically Large Axe gameplay
I love Vander
He is a good unit with the feeling of bad unit. It's a good unit as a Jagen but its fun training as a bad growth unit lmao
Least Cracked Silver Greataxe User:
This was inevitable since everyone started trashing on Vander
He's not an insanely powerful unit that keeps up like Titania or Seth, but he provides what only Louis gives you within the first chapters, which is a front line damage soak and damage dealer.
Without Vander you're in for a terrible time on the highest difficulty. He weakens foes down and can tank the blunt force of a loaded enemy phase which is super helpful early on where you don't have access to broken Emblems yet.
damn he didn’t even need lyn
I thought you were going to make Vander a hero build with dual assist + but congrats on making Vander an actual combat unit!!
Fun video. I really disagree with anyone putting Vander bottom tier, even if he only contributes to the early maps in an "efficient" playthrough, thats better than being bad throughout the game.
Even if he’s not a great combat unit past Ch5, his high HP pool makes him a very good unit in taking hits to be healed by Micaiah Great Sacrifices or group Mends, and so he does help to provide exp to other units. He’s the only solid axe unit who can be broken in early game and so is great at baiting sword breaks immediately through to at least Ch10 whereas Bouch is just too weak without a training arc, Jade can’t be broken and other axe users need second seals/master seals to exist at a point where they’re scarce. He’s also a early promoted unit who can be second sealed into Griffin or Royal Knight for extra high move staff bot duties without needing a master seal, which can situationally make him a valuable support unit on teams where second seals aren’t in high demand, such as if using a ton of the royals who mostly want to stay in their unique classes.
Also old man is funny,
average vander constitution enjoyer
Vander content with Knights of Cydonia playing in the background? Can I like a video more than once?
Seeing Vander do well especially in Maddening is amazing, i used Vander as my Enchanter for my savefile
When the world needed him most, he returned..
Finally, the Vander sweep is upon us
The great aether compilation is unironically one of the hardest things I’ve seen come out of this game. Fantastic work as always
I had a blast with it haha, glad you enjoyed.
I know this video was about Vander and I digged it, but need to know about this Halberdier Yunaka
It makes me happy to see people still play this game even with how much everyone complains about it.
It's the story and writing people didn't like. The actual moment to moment gameplay is easily some of the best in the series.
Knights of Cydonia works so well! Great video as always
It would seem that someone hacked their insulin regulator.
Unironically this was similar to my experience using Vander. Decided to give the dude a try, slapped Hector on him, gave him Starphere and used Legacy for a boost to Arena exp since he gets normal arena exp and more with that, then Canter for normal maps, and he was just as good as the other units I did that with. He even looks slick as hell engaged with Hector, so I like using the guy.
Thanks for reminding me how much fun this game was. Banger video as always
Before you ask: I am sure the devs are actually at the wisest when designing this Jagen archetype character. The manage to figure out how to make a "well-balanced" Jagen archetype character here in mind when "tanks enemies and nearly ORKOs them so that your weaker units can killsteal for EXP" thing factored.
Vander might have low growths but he does maybe possibly catch up if you give him a lot of skrimsh exp later on. His growths are at least not exaggeratedly bad like the early FE games' Jagen archetypes.
In fact, Vander is actually built perfectly for a Jagen type character: his stat build is so bulky.
Boost his Def, Res and HP more, and he will survive attacks you think he can't otherwise.
He's not speedy, but he will hit like a truck with Silver Greataxe.
Exquisite taste in music and units, as always.
1:02 That's a weird way to spell Vander...
Vander's so good that he don't need experience from kills so he gave that to Bouche
Heck yeah! Love to see someone using the DILF!
Not only do we share our love of Bord, but also our favorite unit in fe17.
my beloved
Vander the Demander asks you nicely to not bench him. These are the results.
My Vander is now Enchanter, somehow he has great crit chance and quads a lot
I found Vander very useful as a tank after I gave him a dawn engraved iron greataxe, so it's cool to see that pushing that idea further works even better. That Ike montage was worth the buildup
You crazy son of a
you did it :)
Honestly vander perfectly fits the “crutch character” idea that jagens are “supposed” to be. He’s a bulky unit for new players to rely on but as players get better they’ll lean on him less in favour of other units (and by other units I mean Chloe). I just wish his hitrates were better and his personal didn’t make him more likely to steal kills.
ignoreing... this calling a jeagen bad is like calling your mom bad because she "falls off" in the late game like bro she took care of you when you at your weakest show some respect
He couldn't even one round the first enemy's in the game. One of the jagens of all time
Zased beyond belief
Jagens fans rise up
This is literally how I played the game all the way through. I loved Vander too much.
Vander is not trash tier, of course he will have less stat than other defensive unit in the game but he's still doing good job-
Making him as Great Knight and pair him with Ike Ring, along the Anti-Follow up attack skill is like making a Walking Fortress with Hard Counter.
Vander never be benched on my playthrough xD
first time ive ever seen vander in solm :/
anyway, 40 base hp and base S axes is really good. who knew
Great Knight will do the trick and make sure he is deployed during skirmish since it’s scaled at high level than chapters
This was a beautiful video
I used vander until chapter 10/11 on maddening lol. he was pretty good, kinda needed a compact axe +2 or 3 tho
PEAK, AS ALWAYS
That was an INSANE video, jeez, he could tank crits just like Brom !
Honestly, it's also funny t osee that you almost managed to recreate the trailer moment where he crits....or maybe it's scripted I dunno? Or that random dude getting 2 23% crit
Also emblems are really busted, also is it me or it's the second time some manages to get Aether and rekt everyone ? (we don't forget Roderick here)
Super super impressive video as always but like the most impressive thing to me is that you kept him paladin the whole time i went in expecting a switch to warrior or maybe wyvern but holy shit that was phenomenal
The True Ending has been unlocked >:)
what godawful tierlist at the start is putting Anna in A tier?
In his defense, this tier list was put out like right when the game came out, he has done multiple since then and his opinions could have changed.
Maybe he's not the best unit, but man is it fun to make him op and watch everyone drop against him :D
Dude your savs bugged it says paladin when he's a general. Taking 1 x 9 like it's nothing. Oh its double bugged since he is getting more crits than a berserker.
Of course one of my favorite characters in Engage would be a Jagen in one of the worst possible games for Jagens. Still love him to death, I’ll make to sure to give him a good build in Heroes when he is released and in Engage if I buy the game.
Trying this without dlc and using Great Knight Vander instead
My guy is still slaying, right now he can oneshot Griss' entire team in ch17. Never Slander the Vander
Vander looking dummy thicc
I think some Old School fans haven't accepted that Engage has made it EASY to make even VANDAR a JAGAN hard to fall off if you devote yourself to keeping them viable! Feels like they expect EVERYONE to play Maddening (I prefer Hard/Classic! It's a BALANCED setting that keeps it hard, but not unwinnable IF I'm smart, Maddening is good EARLY on, but DEAR GOD is it aggravating! I feel Maddening in the future SHOULD balance the "Extra Skill" Unbreakable/Veteran+ to be more REASONABLE! Veteran+ makes me think Veteran was suppose to be on Hard which is LESSER and still allows Effective damage to an extent! And not 100% remove Break! I really feel that would have been WISER for Hard! What I liked about Maddening in Engage was it felt like it barely increased enemy stats and convinced you to be smarter then "be more overpowered" but then the DLC went into "SNK Boss" mode on me the moment I made the mistake of waiting till Level 20 to do Hector and saw that DEF stat of his and realize you HAVE to do ALL the DLC the moment they are unlocked and get the Bracelets, Soren, Hector, Chrom and Camella especially or you will REGRET IT)
Feels like they judge them on you going into Maddening and never equipping a Ring on characters to judge them, then are surprised. I kept hearing SOO MUCH about Kagetsu and frankly was disappointed! On his join map he's good against the final stretch enemies on Chapter 11. and maybe a slight bit on Chapter 12, but he struggled for real damage on chapter 13! This is without rings and was little different then Lapis who I love using more! Then I used the rings and he was about the same as Lapis! Low Investment really doesn't get explained WELL to understand what it means. Frankly it feels like "you use less books" but you STILL have to raise those bond levels and FORGE. Frankly every character has something you must work on! And the fun is seeing the FRUITS of your labor
Vander for example is NOT SO GREAT in the Doubling Department, and is likely to get doubled himself! BUT his damage is on point and he can take hits. So work around that (same applies to Bunet! Choose what to make em and stick to it (You can even help with DEFENSE on Vander via making him a Great Knight! and now he has a second weapon....really feel two to three weapons needs to come back! Hated how Paladin was stuck with ONE weapon)
Hell yeah old man gaming
I turned him into a sage because the outfit looked cute on him. 😊
How did your Vander become this overpowered?
vander is not a bad unit per se i think if he is so low in the tier list it is because he is a very good tank at the beginning but he will be replaced and when we try to play him again it will be less strong
"I SHALL SLAY YOU!"
Probably my favorite crit quote in the game. Way better than the classic "Pick a god and pray." IMO.
I SHALL SLAY YOU!
He then proceeds to do the most busted attack ever coming in at 156 damage
It's been too long.
Not to be rude or anything, very impressive that you made him work, but isn’t this just putting a lot of effort into something other units can do better and with less effort…?
thats literally the point, yes
True, but none of the other units look as or sound as cool as Vander. CHECKMATE!
@@jimmyfe6746 Factually correct.
Honestly if you reclass him back to axe cav amd get him to lv20 and promotes as a normal unit he's better than every horserider and axe user
Vander>Lapis
All jagans can be useful if you put time into them, but that's a waste of time and they're boring characters
Wrong!
Your opinion is incorrect