Is Prodeus Just Another Boomer Shooter?
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- Опубликовано: 1 дек 2022
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First person boomer shooters can be a dime a dozen these days, as welcome a trend as they are. Today's boomer shooter Prodeus, developed by Bounding Box Software and published by Humble Games, is the latest in the the long line of Doom Eternal clones. It's got green and red neon against industrial punk environments, the monsters resemble if the Doom enemy roster got stroggified like Quake. The guns feel great and all that but does the gameplay hold up over its runtime and does the game's movement and combat feel smooth or just the guns? Well, watch the video and find out, goofball!
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I dont like spreading bad info even if unintentional but I need to reframe this video. Prodeus was in early access in 2020, the same year Eternal released so its really not fair to classify it as a clone. It's probably got plenty of DOOM 2016 in its DNA and certainly resembles Eternal quite a bit visually but thats almost got to be incidental.
Guess seeing it pop up on Gamepass after full release and not really thinking of it as a full game till now had me wrongly mentally categorizing as a later product, especially since it seemed to ape Eternal's color palette. My bad (the rest still stands tho ;)!
P.S. Sorry to Josh "Dragonfly" Sullivan, who I mistook for his on-stream buddy when I introduced him in this video!
Bad medium! Bad!!!
@@ThePrimordialChronicles they dont call me Medium for nothing. Little bit a good, little bit a bad XD
@@HighFunctioningMedium BAD!
It's imitating doom, but rather brutal doom than doom (2016)
Very true. I totally misframed its inspirational source, as noted in pinned comment. Thanks for helping clarify!
Just finished the campaign, really enjoyed it.
Didn’t love that hunting for secrets was integral to gaining upgrades. Nothing a few walkthroughs couldn’t solve 😂
Yeah that part stung as I really couldn't find that many :/
You pulled out a stellar review in no time at all. Great job, man!
Riddled with errors but I appreciate it!
Yes it is. It has no captivating narrative like Ultrakill does.
Brutal! Not gonna lie, I like Prodeus fine but its a nice looking shooting gallery with no real hook in my opinion. Games dont have to explicitly have story but they do need place and some primal sense of agency like youre doing something that the world cares about and i didnt really ever feel that
As a gamer who enjoys boomer shooters and metroidvanias (and other genres, but these two are the most relevant), I'm starting to see that the saturated indie market is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it's great to have more games in a genre you love. I never want to go back to the dry years for metroidvanias. But I think scarcity is one of the magic ingredients that allows a game to become a classic. It's hard to build community and shared memories around a single game when we have so many options. If Prodeus released in 2018 and Dusk released today, would Prodeus be the modern classic and Dusk just the latest retro shooter?
To be fair, I get the impression that Dusk is the better game. It's not all about the release date. But more games means less limelight and community love for each game. It's a bummer because so many of these games deserve that audience.
Me too! I love metroidvanias especially. Yeah, every good idea ultimately spawns a bunch of annoying imitators. Like the Witcher 3 inspired the already bloated nature of AC games into even more a busywork checklist open world structure, there's always some risk that what was pretty decent or great on the first go will get diluted down to its basest components and farmed.
I'm super burnt out on boomer shooters and funnily enough, I haven't even played that many XD. They just all look like Quake multiplayer with the hyperactive shooting. That kind of thing just sort of desensitizes me to the import of anything I'm doing. I surprisingly didnt enjoy Turbo Overkill as much as I anticipated because I didnt feel like I had enough time to enjoy being in combat because any stopping to smell the roses or marvel at the spectacle meant I was losing ground. But I have enjoyed slower games where each hit seems to mean more and can be processed and corrected for more easily like Cultic and Adaca, for instance. I'm also interested in Wrath and Graven, though they've really kinda gone by the wayside unfortunately.
But yeah, I've watched Dusk gameplay to death and it's just so sweet. Dusk's still pretty much got the crown for boomer shooters to me from what I've seen and played. Project Warlock's neat but feels pretty gamey and segmented and Ion Fury's kinda stiff and weird to aim, though I anticipate enjoying that one well enough as I go on. Hard to hate the BUILD engine.
All that to say, boomer shooters have their moments but I'll be damned if there aren't just an oversaturation of them in general and many of them blend together.
Not really. There is a huge difference between these games that remains imperceptible to average players. Dusk was inspired by old games - graphics simulating old titles in a simple form were created, which, despite this simplicity, was used to present the action and leave many things for the player's imagination. The whole gameplay was seemingly like 30 years ago, but the developer tried to improve everything what the games developed over all these years. Not to mention something that is missing in many games - the Dusk developer created his own original game full of his own ideas.
On the other hand, there is a Prodeus, which at best can be called a doom clone. There are no improvements and gameplay impact, no inspiration - if they did not sell it separately, you might think that it is a mere mod. If you played the first level, you played them all, because they are all identical, only the corridor system changes. Honestly, Prodeus is one of the worst and most boring shooters I have played in recent years.
For each game such as Cultic, Dusk or Hrat, there are 10 shooters that are only clones like Prodeus, which were created at a cheap intellectual cost, without originality and inspiration.
Funny - we have the same subgenres - I agree in principle, but I think the big ones still surface to the top.
Yes, but people can make whatever derivative content they want to and it has a chance of selling due to familiarity alone. The only truly bizarre and unique thing to have come out in awhile is probably Cruelty Squad. Also that super shotgun was weak af, more like "chews-through-bullets-gun." I judge a doom clone solely based on whether it has a good shotgun. The plain shotgun is pretty good, but just doesn't feel visceral. In fact part of this game getting boring is the lack of crowd control weapons and the way enemies spawn in. It also commits the egregious sin of "monster closets" which I thought we had kind of moved on from. Some of the enemies look goofy too, like "Hedon: Bloodrite" goofy in terms of their design. The whole idea of buying abilities and weapons based on an easter egg hunt through level is not for me. I kind of just want to get through a level, not look around it for hidden stuff. Pace-killing should really be a warning on some of these games, I know it sounds stupid, but I'm just not going to hunt for loads of optional stuff in a videogame. Feels like an action RPG or something, and that's not what older first-person shooters were about no matter how arcade-like they were.
Yeah having your ability to experience the abilities and guns gated behind collectibles suuuckedd
Very cool, Discord chimes and all! Lol
Haha! Third person to point that out ;) It just means I'm crazy popular, dont ya know! Ok, I've got those damn notifications turned off entirely. NEVER AGAIN I SAY
i played this on game pass but didn't get very far. it was a blast at first but i got pretty indifferent on it rather quickly. i'd also say it's more of doom 2016 than eternal. it's a lot more grounded than the insane combat chess than eternal is.
still a good video!
Youd be right. See my pinned comment. Im a dingus about Eternal. Was so distracted by the neon XD
Yeah I Gamepassed it as well. Its got good bones but it really doesnt have too many tricks up its sleeve
Prodeus is what you'd get if Doom 3 played more like the original two Doom games. Prodeus is my newest game on Steam to set foot on my Perfect Games list on Steam thanks to me unlocking all of the game's Steam achievements. I'm right now from writing this comment am rocking 23 Perfect Games in my Steam library! Nice video review btw.
Unrelated, but if you say Doom 3 a total of 3 times in the mirror, I appear. Dunno if that's useful to know but im a superfan ;) danggg, ive not been an achievement whore for a minute but i can still recognize your dedication as impressive. Thanks for the compliment! This one was framed badly with the Doom Eternal stuff, but the actual commentary on what it is holds up. Fun review to make because its such a pleasing game to look at while you edit!
Isn’t that just doom64?
I like Prodeus alot. It's great fun. I just would like it a great deal more if there were more level variety. Like, how many labs are there in this game? There is absolutely zero penalty for dying. That's a problem. In fact it can even be beneficial in some situations. And the shop is wildly unnecessary. Just distributed the guns throughout the levels like any other old school shooter. Don't make me navigate the the Super Mario Bros 3 level select screen, load the shop, walk my ass to the other side of the map just for me to realize I don't have enough currency.
Good points all around. My basic ass doesnt mind the infinite respawn, mostly because the actions so stiff and its so easy to get clipped. Yeah the shop kinda felt like padding, didnt it?
@@HighFunctioningMedium it's like you already have secret areas. Just hide the guns there. Like in Doom 1993 you can get your whole arsenal super early if you are familiar with the few levels. The backpack in level 2 is a must have every playthrough. It doubles your ammo capacity.
Solid review man. It's weird how, despite being a massive boomer shooter and indie game fan myself, I've generally steered clear of a lot of these titles. I dunno the whole thing feels so oversaturated it's hard to tell if something is really worth buying.
A lot of them are. I probably should've spent some more time on this one complimenting it for being less of a hyperactive frenzy than the hundreth Quake Champions knockoff. But ironically, Prodeus's "feet firmly on the ground" feeling also feels somewhat flat
@@HighFunctioningMedium I've added it to the wishlist. We'll see what happens on the Christmas sale. It could wind up in the backlog for after I've finished Signalis and RE8.
@@arkham666 yeah its worth a playthrough. Very unique art style, the gore is intense, and the guns are pretty gnarly.
oooh nice. Re8. That was a really fun one. Very early into Signalis. I should probably start saying these are on Gamepass too. Anything new I play is pretty much on Gamepass, which is just absurd value
@@HighFunctioningMedium While that does sound like a very compelling argument for game pass please allow me to present a well constructed and equally compelling counter argument put together through intense imperical study and lengthy data analysis..... MICROSOFT BAD!
@@arkham666 some of my best friends are corporations. Theyre people too yknow XD
Great video man I might have to check this out
Yeah dude Gamepass that thang
@@HighFunctioningMedium Will do man!
The guy you showed at the moment you named josh(dragonfly) is jimmy. Josh comes in frame shortly after but it is a bit misleading
Thanks for the clarification! I got confused because I only saw Jimmys face in a couple Twitch thumbnails so I assumed that's who that was
It's hard to believe your Scorn video was only 7 days ago, and you put out another piece of quality work so quickly.
As an aside, I'm not a big shooter person, but your recognition of how the Doom of old and Doon Eternal have influenced the market was fascinating to me. Great stuff!
I wrote the script while Scorn was uploading actually ;) which may account for why I made some booboos! But thanks so much!
To keep it simple: Prodeus is yet another classic ego shooter. You shoot every ugly mug that roams in front of your crosshair and no story elements interrupts you. Each level is like a separate entity you can play as you like. Just rush through or search for secrets. Exactly the way I like it. But let us call is classic ego shooter. Then there is the arena shooter - Unreal Tournament, Quake had this in multiplayer mode, Call of Duty, Fornite. And story shooter like Gears of War and Call of Juarez.
I like it. Coining new terms is fun!
I was surprised too at the enemies staying dead after a checkpoint but then i noticed my ammo is the same as when i died so it sort of cancels itself out. If ammo was replaced but enemies weren't it wouldn't be a challenge and if enemies were there again and ammo wasnt then it would be a huge dick move. Its all good though you have killed what you killed but you still only have the same amount of ammo as if you hadnt died. Clear as mud 😁
😄 seems those checkpointsll never stop getting flack from both sides of the argument! Poor Prodeus
Great video, big fan of your editing and overall style 👍
Thanks for your encouragement, I appreciate ya!
i thought the A.I. was bad. I didn't feel the pressure that id had already mastered in 90's Doom.
Thats a pretty good observation. Its a good gun porn kind of game but has a very kind of flat plane feel to it which is awkward when youve got perched snipers and flying enemies. Lot of stuff sort of chills out or just bumrushes you. I do think those blue glowing creatures are pretty intense. The big bald bat looking things I thought were pretty obnoxiously tuned
Another great video thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Great review, thank you!
Youre so very welcome! Thanks for dropping by!
Its definetly mid but i like the replayability with custom maps. Its what i miss from DOOM 2016
Yeah its like i love the vibe-music, sound, graphics-but it is tough to stay invested in. Customization is way more supported than most games and i respect that
Its not like eternal
If you try eternal on nightmare trust me it will be a piece of cake for you in prodeus
Yeah, see my pinned comment detailing how I misframed the video. That said, it still reminds me a lot visually of Eternals color palette and contrast level and feel, which is all I was meaning. Prodeus is certainly nowhere near the complexity of Eternals actual gameplay
Great video.
Thanks so much!
is any game just a game? =)
Unpack that question for me!
Just please chill out a little with all the edits to memes my guy
I got you, my man. My later videos have decreased a lot in that regard due to viewer feedback so we are trending that way as it is
Ultrakill is not a Doom Eternal clone, I'm sure some of the others you listed are wrong as well.
If you're gonna state your opinions like facts, do your research.
Ironic for you to tell me to do my research while youve neglected to do the reesearch to know whether i was right or wrong about the rest 🎉
@@HighFunctioningMedium I commented on the part I have knowledge about, instead of getting riled up you should strive not to be a sloppy reviewer/critic.
Game is way too expensive
Dang, it is $25 isnt it. Its on Gamepass if you have that, tho :)
@@HighFunctioningMedium its a welcome addition on my game pass. Games like this are exactly why i subscribe. id never pay $25 for this but i am thoroughly enjoying it as a rental.
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Haha, man, you're a hoot :0
I didn’t like Eternal at all
Oh snap! What turned you off about it?
Wtf is a "boomer" shooter? Do you even know what a boomer is?
Genuine question or trolling? Cuz boomer shooters been a hella popular term for years now
@@HighFunctioningMedium genuine question. The term "boomer" gets thrown around all the time for anyone over the age of 30. I've never heard of the term "boomer shooter", nor do I care because it has no relevance. Again, do you know what the word boomer means?
DooM Eternal was great game and all the indie "copies" run together. This is where I know this video is going to be a garbage. Eternal was mindlessly repetitive arena shooter without any innovation apart from forcing unpopular and useless mechanics on player and pretty much any indie shooter that got inspired by it was leagues better at what Eternal tried to do because they didn't forget to do actual level design and not just bunch of rooms to lock player in and spawn random monster till player falls asleep.
K, love you
"Useless" already wrong. So GL
@@stealthbrawler Yes you are wrong if you think otherwise, thanks for confirming.
@@NeoWormNah, yours is simply a terrible take that shows a severe lack of game design knowledge.
You might not like Eternal and that's perfectly fine, but the reasons you gave for why you don't are just not well articulated.
@clvr51 funny thing is, Im not good at all at Eternal but outside of feeling like the default jump height needs to be higher so you can mantle up more easily without it always having to be about the meathook, Ill defend Eternals design all day as being good at what its trying to be, and what we rarely get: an actually tactics shooter. Im the opposite of a gitgud guy but Eternals one of the few games that filters out goofballs in a really useful way. The arguments against it are always emotionally based and not about tuning into the spirit of the game to start unlocking new levels of fun
2020 was tough for you. My state didn't play that shit. And if you still live and/or pay taxes in a state that locked you down, shame on you.
Well, good luck living anywhere then ;) mostly it was city limits that enforced it and the farther out ya get, the less people cared