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Jim Cornette on Discovering Wrestling In Different Territories
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Jim was a wrestling fan/nerd that actually became a part of the industry that he loved. He lived the dream.
How quickly ones dreams can morph into nightmares-
But he had the talent to do it. Very few people can talk like him
Smart mark
His hatred for initially being looked at, and being treated as, a "nerd", caused something inside of him to snap. He became the most frenetic, and the most venom-spewing Manager known to Wrestling...and who could blame him for that? Sometimes-Ya gotta do, whatcha gotta do! His different versions of The Midnight Express were one of the most awarded Tag-Teams of all time!
Like I am
I used to record the Columbus, Ohio house matches in the late 80s. Wish I had not lost them in the many moves of my lifetime. Could have uploaded several great US Express vs Shiek/Volkoff, Andre vs Big John Studd and even had a Killer Bees vs Bulldogs match which was great. Saw so many of the "Legends" of that era.
You mean WWF?
You know, I always wondered about Ohio wrestling history. I'm over in Canton and it really seems like a no man's land. It seems like although there's an ok population, that it was always just a filler show for various territories.
@@EclecticBuddha
Columbus, OH. was Big Time Wrestling territory ran by Sheik.
@@pauldavis7310 Sheik's Big Time Wrestling got taken off Columbus TV in 1969, but if you had a strong enough antenna you could pick it up out of Cleveland or Cincinnati up until 1980. That was the main program in addition to WWWF.
There was also the original Ohio Valley Wrestling (Lou Tillet's promotion) that ran from 1977-1980 on WCMH Channel 4, and that program was a mix of old Big Time Wrestling, Worldwide Championship Wrestling, ancient Haft and Barnett shows, and newer local house shows at the Memorial Gardens. Georgia Championship Wrestling bought their timeslot in 1980, so by then you just had Georgia (later Crockett) and WWF.
Columbus was simultaneously starved for wrestling and also swimming in it. Al Haft kept all of the big promotions off local TV unless they were giving him a kickback. But by the mid-sixties, cheap high gain antennas and microstrip antennas meant most people in Columbus could get TV from Dayton, Cinci, Detroit, Louisville and Cleveland. I used to be able to pick up Pittsburgh channels on clear nights. We didn't have local wrestling, but we had access to a large chunk of the country.
"And this was 20 years ago!"
Ron Howard: "In fact, it was 40 years ago."
That's a little cornball
In the late 1980s & early to mid 1990s I had a 12 foot antenna that could be extended to 14 feet & I could get all sorts of wrasslin from all around the southeast, plus, we lived on a hill anyways. I got to watch CWA, CWF, AWA replays, WWF replays, WCCW replays, various different Florida, Alabama & Tennessee shows, replays of WWC & others from Puerto Rico & my favorite the NWA/WCW shows & various others from the Carolina region. Which then I lived in Pendergrass & Gillesville Georgia. I had around 2,000 VHS tapes full of all kinds of wrasslin that I sold to another collector in the mid 2000s that also included every single VHS PPV & early special videos...
I was lucky. I grew up in the corner of SE Ky. I got Crockett, TBS, Southeastern Championship, Memphis and ICW when I was a kid. I saw Mid-Atlantic live in Kingsport, JC and Bristol. SE was in my local gym a few times a year. ICW as well. Plus in the Summers I'd go see my Grandparents in Atlanta. I saw a couple GCW TV tapings. What a great childhood I had!
And I do remember Terry Orndorff, Paul's little brother, he was a young up-and-comer, not quite as good as Paul but decent, he had a short four year career which was cut short in 82 by a drunk driver, he survived but his wrestling career was done. From what I've read he's been working as a official in the Boilermakers Union
Thanks, I was scrolling down the comments to see if anyone had anything about Terry.
He got in a bad auto accident in 1983
Never saw him-but I remember reading that Fritz brought him in around 81/82, where he had a short tag title run with Kerry, but that's about it
I live in San Francisco and back in 83-85,we had a public access station that showed WCCW twice a week.An hour a show and it was the recent stuff.
OMG! Jim Cornette mentioned Haysi, Virginia and WCYB! I grew up in the same county, and Jim nailed the cable situation there.
I grew up watching Memphis Wrestling hosted by Dave Brown and the great Lance Russell. It was Southern wrestling at its finest.
Absolute must see Saturday morning TV. I camped out with my bowl of Captain Crunch without fail.
I can relate. Growing up in Sycamore ,I'll. We received AWA all star wrestling on Rockford TV on Sunday morning. Then when we got a TV that received UHF channels we got Dick the Bruiser's Indianapolis show on one of those channels. Then we also got the LaBell's LA TV on a Spanish language channel. On still another UHF channel we got the infamous Bob Luce wrestling which featured both Gagne and Bruisers talent at times.
I bet that captain's hat drew a lot of heat.
Only from the Scientologists because Jim Cornette looks like he should be running the place with that hat lmao
It did, as it was part of Cornette's early persona as a spoiled rich kid whose Mama financed his wrestling career.
In my area of Lafayette, Ca I saw many territories from AWA, WWWF, TBS, Mid-South, NWA, GCW, WCCW, and etc. My earliest recollection was Hank Renner with the AWA as the play-by-play announcer.
Brian sounds like he's 15 here haha I didn't realize how much he's changed over the years
Almost like listening to young Paul E
I’m glad I was the last generation to experience VCRs. When I saw there were only DVD players it was a sad day. Then next thing you know Video stores are gone. Some of my favorite memories as a kid was going to our local video store College Park video, and looking for movies/comics. Man I loved getting Godzilla, and martial arts movies. Rest In Peace video stores. Streaming is nice, and all but nothing beats having an actual video tape. Part of the experience was browsing the store.
Last time I used a video tape was 2006...that was also the time when I started getting dvds
As a kid in 1985/86 just getting into wrestling all I was exposed to was WWF for a few years but maybe 87/88 found AWA on ESPN at that time and then NWA/JCP on TBS. Just finding out about those 2 companies was amaazing for me but to then find out there was all these other territories blew my mind.
I'm 47, so it sounds like you're around the same age as I am. I remember I was in the same boat until we got cable. Before that all we ever got was WWF programming. I only knew other wrestling organizations existed from magazines before that. I think ESPN had Universal Wrestling Federation matches to, but I could be wrong.
@@JimCornetteIsMyDad I’m almost 46 so yea same age essentially, funny you mention UWF I just found a channel with a whole bunch of UWF shows from late 86. Young Heel Sting and Rick Steiner. Terry Taylor, Dr Death, Michael Hayes.
Then 1 year later, boom all gone.
@@JimCornetteIsMyDad ESPN ran World Class for awhile, as well as the Global shows once WCCW/USWA bit the dust.
@@actionsub I remember ESPN try to make the AWA look like a boxing show.
I remember the days before vcr's and cable. If you missed a movie or something you'd have to flip through the t.v. guide and see if it on late night.
1978 , I saw Georgia Championship Wrestling from The MidSouth Territory . 1984 I saw World Class and Syndicated WWF Supetstars, 1985 AWA on ESPN ...6 hours of wrestling ....little later an outlaw called Wild West appeared in 88
I seem to remember reading in a wrestling magazine in the 80’s that Terry Orndoff left wrestling after being injured by Ernie Ladd. Now I realize that was a work to start heat, probably between brother Paul and Ernie. Anyone else remember this? I couldn’t get mid-south tv then, only saw the magazine article. Thanks
The territories were what made the WWF and NWA great. People also went from the WWF to the NWA and vice versa, and kept the talent circulating. Like water, without circulation wrestling has stagnated.
No the territories themselves were great. WWF was boring, WCW was decent.
Mike Bowermaster, you nailed it Pro Wrestling in it's current form is stagnated and stale even with the talent raid the WWE does to Impact Wrestling, ROH, & NJPW. Yeah while performers have recently and will sign with the WWE and were previously signed Impact Wrestling, ROH, & NJPW may attract attention it does not have any staying power. after a few months, those newly signed performers just becomes just another WWE employee.
It's like having McDonald's as the only restaurant in a state w/ Coca-Cola being the only soda to drink. While I like McDonald's and Coca-Cola, having every single week gets old quick lol.
Mike Bowermaster that’s what I have been saying what’s missing. Even in mid 90’s there was WCW, WWF, SMW, ECW, and USWA. Different places had different styles and guys could learn new things everywhere they worked. Because of the territories wrestlers new how to get over and bookers learned how not to get stale. WWE seems pretty stale now and I believe that one of the reasons that companies like ROH and TNA will never get bigger is because of instead of starting off like a territory and learning how to get over and learning to book they go from nothing to trying Run Nation wide on day 1.
AWA too
That's because at one time, the WWF was run by the NWA. It wasn't until 1983 when the WWF broke off from the NWA once and for all.
"Terry Orndorff is Paul's legitimate real life brother and just didn't share his brother's passion and left the wrestling business"
in north carolina when i was a kid u could only see wrestling late at night or sometimes mid day.it was mid atlantic wrestling.
I lived in the SF bay area 1972-2002 and we got, at various times, AWA, WWF, ICW, Big Time wrestling from St. Louis, Amarillo wrestling with Steve stacks, spanish wrestling from LA, and Roy Shire's promotion from sacramento/SF, TBS, I even saw CWF, they were using the song Skateaway by Dire Straits as their credits music at the end
I completely forgot about Terry Orndorff. The last time I remember seeing him was when he wrestled for Mid-South wrestling. He was in a feud with the Junkyard Dog and he lost a match with the stipulation was he had to wear a yellow mask for a month.
I remember renting vcr's and a kung fu movie or 2 for a weekend because we could never afford one. I remember when we first got cable, HBO started at 4pm in the afternoon and went off at midnight. I still remember the very first movie we ever watched on HBO - "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" with Donald Southerland, scared the shit out of me! LOL
Fishing, Gaming & Guitars
I remember visiting friends of the family that had ON TV and Select Tv. More or less the first pay services in LA that needed a set top box. Got very creeped out watching the long version of Apocalypse Now
And ESPN had the AWA
I remember renting VCR's too! Man I forgot about that. They came in a big plastic briefcase at the video store. That thing was guarded the entire time by my mom because if you damaged it you had to buy it and they would charge you like double what a new one would cost, and new ones were expensive already.
@@81ghale Never rented a VCR, but i do remember renting gaming consoles as a kid, the good ole days!!
Terry in fact, was Paul's real brother. They did team for awhile, but Terry had limited success after Paul began a solo career.
ah yes tape trading . the VCR was amazing for the times. i got mid south dallas and kansas city at the time
I grew up watching All Star wrestling in KC! Bulldog Bob Brown, Rufus R Jones. Good times!
Thank you for remembering when Ted Debiase being piledriven by the Freebirds live on TBS.
I live in the UK and started watching the WWF in the 80s because a friend sent me tapes when i got a VCR , then I got cable and started watching the NWA and world class, i miss those days
Back in my college years i got in a little trouble. So when i would go back to hometown i would stay at a friend's.. This would have been 98 or 99. Solidly in dvd era but he still had a vcr. One day he saus check out this tape i found. I'm thinking debbie does dolphins or something. Nope. Its the old tbs show. Very flashback inducing. And then i get to the main event. Big van vader vs ron Simmons for the world title. What a match to have recorded.
Terry is Paul's real younger brother
Malden, MO's Wrestling TV Jim talked about in the late 70's was on Ch 8 out of Jonesboro, Ark on Sat night. I used to watch it.
Although I grew up in the Paducah-Cape Girardeau-Harrisburg DMA, which was technically WWA territory out of Indianapolis, no channels in that market carried it. You got Wrestling at the Chase on Channel 11 in St. Louis, ICW on Channel 3 in Harrisburg, IL, and by 1983 or so you got WCCW on Channel 23 in Cape Girardeau. For a short time around 1986-87 you got Memphis Wrestling on Channel 23 in Cape as well. If you plugged in your antenna, you might be able to pick up Central States Wrestling Sunday night on Channel 30 in St. Louis, as well as World Wide Wrestling. My cable system didn’t get TBS until late 1986, when I finally got to see World Championship Wrestling. Ah, the good old days!
Living in St. Louis, I was so jealous of you all in the Paducah/Cape/H'burg market for having ICW. I'd heard a lot about the Poffos. All we had during that early 80s time period was Central States, who had taken over the STL territory in a hostile buyout. World Class came along not long after I'd moved back from Kansas City in 1982, but everything was on Sunday mornings which was either church or work until I got a VCR.
Heard Cape Girardeau and Malden mentioned. I live in that area in a town called Poplar Bluff. Seems like Poplar Bluff has always been passed over by even the smallest of territories though historically we have one of the final two ECW shows in January 2001.
@davidhadley: Porter Wagoner and Miss Dolly Parton had a Classic early Seventies Country & Western Duet called "Forty Miles from Poplar Bluff." Never in a million years would I have figured common ground for Porter Wagoner and say Tommy Dreamer. Dolly Parton and Francine Fournier maybe!😂😘😏🎤💃🎼🎵🎶🎸🎹🎻🥁B.W.
Here was the weekend lineup where I live in the Metro NYC area. Late '70's when cabe tv arrived. Saturday 6:am NWA/WWF Wrestling from the Olympic Auditorium LA on Chanel 47 (Spanish language ) 9 am NWA World Class Championship Wrestling Channel 61, 10 am NWA Worldwide also on channel 61, 11 am WWF All Star Wrestling (WWOR Channel 9 NY/NJ, 12 noon World League Wrestling & 1 pm NWA Championship Wrestling from Florida (both on a cable access channel called. SPN) 6:05 pm NWA Georgia Championship Wrestling WTBS, 12 midnight on channel 9 NY/NJ WWF Championship Wrestling.SUNDAY 12 noon AWA Southwest Championship Wrestling USA Network (pre All American Wrestling) Wednesday 8 pm NWA Mid Atlantic on cable access channel, Friday 10 pm NWA Wrestling from St. Louis at the chase on cable access channel. We had our fill here
I started watching wrestling in Louisville, Jerry Lawler was one of the first guys I'd seen and continues to be my all-time favorite, and there I saw a young Jim Cornette (looking very much like the picture above) managing among other people Adrian Street and Jesse Barr. Little later Street & Barr split up, Barr disappeared, and Cornette was managing the Galaxians. Few months after that I moved to Portland, Oregon and got introduced to Pacific Northwest Wrestling with Rip Oliver & the Clan, Billy Jack (Haynes), Stan Staziak, and lo and behold here was Jesse Barr. Not long after that I got introduced to the WWF and the wonders of Cable TV which let me see the AWA on ESPN, WCCW, Mid-Atlantic Wrestling/WCW, Bill Watts UWF, even a few episodes of California Championship Wrestling and Polynesian Pacific (Hawaii)
I had a 18 foot antenna that I modified into a 24 foot antenna that my grandpa actually helped put it up & I had extremely long chicken house curtain cable attached to it to stabilize it & also to give me the ability to turn it if needed lol. The good ol days lol, I could pick up actual cable TV on my regular antenna, MTV was on channel 6 on the weekends lol....
How many people could do something that would make you famous , something you love and something you just know you would ever get to do it. And make a great living on top of that. Truly living a dream. Jim got that needle in a haystack opportunity and ran with it! How cool is that
Listening to him talk about wrestling back then and making notes about it while at the matches when he was just a young fan. I see why he is the way he is about today's wrestling business.
I seem to recall, at one point, Watts had Shane Douglas working as Troy Orndorff, as a supposed younger brother to Terry and Paul.
This was before my time but I occasionally enjoy watching the different TV shows that various territories put out in the late 70's and early 80's. From what I've seen so far, Mid-South has been the most enjoyable. I also like that each one has something different to offer.
I grew up in the 80s in Oklahoma and we got prime World Class, Mid-South and some Memphis. I've been watching wrestling all of my life and this was by far my favorite wrestling time period. Being able to watch three different high quality promotions at the same time was just incredible.
We also got WWF and AWA but frankly they were pretty crappy at the time
I was lucky enough to be able to find a few on my cornette-like big ass antenna. And could go to family members houses every weekend and watch other territories. They also had cable so could watch other things like world class and AWA. First too.
The guy who taped Raiders of the lost Ark, was his name Brody?
Nice Seinfeld reference
my generation was the last to have UHF
stations be for cable even as a kid i would watch
pro wrestling with my uncle.we would watch georgia championship
wrestling
Grew up in WWF northeast and reading the magazine's. Was before cable so there was no way to see other territories. I still remember the first time I came across GCW and the Superstation the day cable was installed.. It was life changing as my weekend nights were forever altered.
I remember ICW being on channel 24 back in about 1978
After getting hooked in the summer of 1987, I perused the TV Guide searching for anything else that said such & such wrestling lol. NWA, WWF, CWF, CWA, AWA, NGWA WCCW, USWA, GWF, IWCCW, etc etc etc. There was other CWA & CWF territories too lol. etc etc... 😁
Jim looked like Issac’s protege at the concession stand from the love boat…
I remember when I was a kid, pre VCRs. If you want to see a movie but it isn't in the TV schedule, t s Elliot.
Man, I love these topics.
During my day is growing up the late seventies in St Louis during the summer time Sam muchnick when shutdown and they'd show out of town wrestling first several weeks and that's when I first got a chance to see the WWF but Strangely I don't remember anybody but the WWF airing
I remember getting a lot of Crockett shows and the occasional AWA during that summer break in STL.
@@actionsub what years
Growing up in the 80's in the NY metro area we only got WWF on channel 9, MSG, and USA. And NWA on TBS of course. I just don't remember if it was Georgia or Mid-Atlantic. There could have been more but I didn't know about it.
If it was before 1985 I believe it would be Georgia championship wrestling, if it was after 1985 but before 88 it's NWA/Crockett
That's not Fire Marshall Bill.
Still let him show you something
I used to do something similar trading Amiga computer games on floppy disks through USPS.
Nice picture of Charles Nelson Riley... Lol
He needs a pipe
Great pic - The Cornette and Tennielle
Jim looks like a school boy sailor here.
I'm trying to figure out what TV market a Malden TV show would have aired on. Cape Girardeau, maybe?
Hard to say. Malden's in the bootheel which was the southern fringe of the Cape signal and the northern fringe of Memphis. My brother-in-law lived in Union City, TN, a bit SE of Malden. When we went down for his wedding I was like "Heck yeah! Going to get to see some Memphis wrestling...whaddaya mean you get your TV from Cape and Paducah?"
I liked going to Daytona every year because Georgia wrestling was on. So not just wrestling from Tampa Armory. As a kid I thought Gordon Solie had a lot of driving to do.
Wrestling Marshal Jim.
Do you remember tape trader John Mcdams
Who is the nerd on the third mic (not Brian and Corny)? Do not want to hear from him.
I believe it's David Bixenspan... who is a terrific columnist for Deadspin.
@@ryanboman8211 Wasn't he recently blistered by Brian on an episode of The Experience or Drive-thru?
Yes Corny and worst Brian First trash him now
Gotta go look up Terry Orndorf now
what was the joe pedicino show that ran out of atlanta that showed a bunch of different shows ??
Pro Wrestling This Week with Joe Pedicino and Gordon Solie
TY
Don't forget Boni Blackstone
That's right! It was called 'Superstars of Wrestling' and used to come on channel 69 here in Atlanta from like '89 to maybe '93-94. That was my Saturday night as a kid! I used to watch it until it went off at 2AM with Calgary Stampede wrestling and USWA/Memphis wrestling! Loved those days! And I believe Boni and Joe Pedicino were married if I'm not mistaken. And don't forget Uncle Sammy and his puppet!
@@InazumaStudios1 Right-PWI had a blurb about it in 87 running down their lineup. I'll never get this order right, but they had WWF. UWF, WCCW, Continental, and as you said Stampede and Memphs
Terry Orndorff oh my I never knew such a man existed!!
You'd see his name in the magazines, with Mid-South or some other part of the western US; but rarely see photos and didn't see him on tv, unless you were in Mid-South. By the time I saw Mid-South he wasn't around.
@@jeffnettleton3858 There was a short-lived independent promotion in North Dakota in 1984, maybe lasting into 1985. That's the last I ever heard of Terry Orndorff.
Doesn't sound like Jim dated much
He was too busy getting Dennis Condrey"s sloppy seconds to worry about dating. Kidding aside Cornette has always been one of those always in a longterm relationship kind of guys.
Other young men was chasing skirts..Corny was chasing tights
Lmfao
Locker room pecker checker
Locker room pecker checker
hope corny won't take offense but to be honest the odds of that happening is astronomical. Anyway I'm looking at this picture....Exactly is this a unique captain and Tenille gimmick. Or the love child of Gilligan and the skipper. Kind of surprised neither caught on.
Spoiled rich brat whose family owned a yacht. He milked it for a couple of years and dropped it once he signed on with the Crocketts.
I liked Cornette, with his tennis racket in WCCW, but he never has anything nice to say about the Dallas territory. My kids grew up on the Von Erichs and Freebirds.
i was trading my WCCW with a person who had PNW
I grew up on PNW. Dutch Savage, Jesse Ventura Chief Bull Ramos, etc. I miss those days.
Corny looking like L Ron Hubbard as an atheist is hilarious irony!
TERRY AND PAUL THE REAL BROTHER BUBBA. I RESPECT THE THEM.
I ReSpEcT yOu BoOkErMaN...
I still don't get it. Why did he work as a photographer when his mom was rich? Why did she work - he's said this on some Podcasts - at the concession stands if she was loaded?
they enjoyed it maybe, not being lazy just cause u have money.
Corny exaggerated their wealth to get over. Don't get it twisted-the Cornettes were well off in Louisville-his dad was a higher-up at The Courier Journal, but "Mama" Cornette was a fictitious character. In reality, she indulged Jim and drove him to The Gardens every week
Terry and Paul Orndoff weren't blood related. It was a gimmick like Terry and Eddie Boulder (Hulk Hogan and Brutus Beefcake ) during that time
According to Online World of Wrestling you're wrong.
Duane Brandon possibly so. I found one that said they weren't brothers. It's been years since I've seen it. So I cant rebuttal with a reference
Duane Brandon I just saw a picture of them together. If I had to bet on it, I would have to agree with you
Wikipedia says that Paul Orndorff has two brothers. A younger brother named Ray who wrestled on the independent circuit. The other is Terry Orndorff who went on to have limited success as a tag team wrestler with partners the Junkyard Dog and Kerry Von Erich.
They are legit Brothers for Christ's sake
The shieks tv was the only tapes i saw
Whky 14 Hickory NC showed every territory they was
Jim " 35 fuckin stations" Cornette
Terry is Paul's brother. Just wasnt a fan of the business like Paul.
According to the great ONLINE WORLD OF WRESTLING website (here's the link: www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/bios/t/terry-orndorff/ ) Terry Orndorf WAS LEGIT Paul's brother; unlike "Mr. Wonderful", he wasn't passionate about the biz and left before big bro became a mega star.
Captain Corny
When did this originally air? Because Jim is talking about being impressed by cable 20 years ago which... wasn't very impressive lol.
Was this back in the day when he was just Brian Last? The Great Brian Last was soon to come
He was Paul's little brother