Why Theon Looked Like An Old Man After Ramsay's Games 😨
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"I am Iron Born." Reek answered, lying. The boy he'd been before had been Iron Born, true enough, but Reek had come into this world in the dungeons of the Dreadfort.
Such a cool name, the dreadfort! Lives up too its name as well
Theon lives again
@6starFenrir I agree. What a scary sounding place!
@@barkbentley4657it looks ridiculous in the books though apparently, being all pink and red.
@@nunyabiznes33eh compared to places like highgarden and the gates of the moon which are comically large/tall its not too unrealistic.
Just when I thought Joffrey was a monster...
Ramsey made Joffery look like a Boy's Scout
He was, but Joffrey could be placated, flattered, and distracted. Ramsey was single-minded, methodical, and devious, like his father, but somehow even more vicious.
Joffrey was just a spoiled brat who never heard the word "no". Ramsey on the other hand was a pure sadist and he relished in inflicting pain.
@@feonor26 But so did Joffrey..
Joffrey certainly wasn't as Deranged as Ramsey, and might have had a chance if his mother wasn't Cersei, but alas that is not what transpired.
For real
The first “Reek” chapter was such an “oh god” moment for me in thrones. For those who don’t know Martin titles each chapter after the character whose POV you are reading from. So the first time “Reek” came up you were meant to assume it was a brand new character, until you get into it. And slowly as he describes the hell he’s been through you realize it’s Theon .. was a terrifying moment in the books and some awesome writing.
After reading the Cersei chapters I felt like I needed a bath... but after reading the Reek chapters I felt like I needed therapy
Same! You've heard about the torture, and haven't had any Theon chapters in awhile, and then you turn the page... and your stomach just drops.
I think about that moment all the time.
@@dolorusedd2586 reeks chapters actually made me question grrms mental health 💀
@@joel5135Im sure George is cool and all but honestly, this man's imagination goes beyond limits like wtf 😭
@@Random-fz2rghe’s the master of shock value …a very important element in writing
What he has turned into is an insult to the Ironborn's belief that "what is dead may never die but rises again, harder and stronger".
Theon died in Winterfell. And he will never rise again, physically and mentally
maybe his eggplant will not rise again, but the rest is not impossible
Where we're left at in the story, he's doing alot better mentally. Physically he'll never be what he was, but he'll be better than reek.
He hasn't been drowned. Could turn things around.
As theons dad told him when he went back and before he captured winterfell, theon was already a disgrace for an iron born and then he defied his dad by cowardly seizing an empty cirt. Why his dad wouldn't reinforce him when he got captured by Bolton.
Reminds me of Griffith when convinces himself even after being mutilated beyond recovery that he rise again only to have his indomitable resolve shattered moments later as he’s flung from the carriage and his arm is broken and hanging vertically as he lifts it
Theon is the type of character that at first you think you would love nothing more than for him to suffer but then you get to the part in the book where you figure out that Reek IS Theon and all of a sudden you feel such sympathy and wish he'd never suffered this much
Nah, I was laughing. Theon earned it
@@Gokiza edgy
@@Taunt61 deserved
@Gokiza no one deserves that. One day you'll grow up
@@frozenwaffle206 maybe you should do the goofy shit Theon did to get put in the position to be Reek.
No need to grow more than I have, knowing that betraying the foster family that treated me better my own blood is as stupid as it gets is enough for me.
"Anyways, subscribe for more" feels here like something Ramsay would say.
Lmaooo
Even Joffrey wasn’t that evil
To be fair, Joffrey did have quite a few years left to perfect his chosen method of „entertainment“.
I believe he was that evil, just not that creative.😅
He tells sansa after executing her father that he would have flayed ned stark if he didn't confess and wasent her father. So if he lived long enough he could grow up to it...
@@Arcaryonyes he didn't get to live up to his full potential luckily.
Disagreed. Joffery just wasn't as creative. If he had thought of it, he would have done it.
3 stone is 42 pounds for anyone wondering
and he was already pretty lean to start :(
And 42 pounds is 19 kg
I thought it was 60 lbs, isn’t a stone 20? And then that would be 27 kilos
@@Kshthymyla that would make too much sense. A stone is 14 pounds
@@Kshthymyla no one stone is 14 lbs
Im not a fan of what Theon does in the books (or the show for that matter) but what he went thru in both is just inhuman. And while alot of people who I’ve discussed about the character say he deserves it for what he did to Winterfell and House Stark, I think he got a worse punishment than what I believe Ramsay will eventually get in the books
Euron better get his hands on Ramsay or it ain’t worth it
He literally had two innocent children murdered
I have little if any sympathy for him
@@jordanford9320 Again Im not a fan. But you also have to remember the theory that he may have killed his own sons, which he reflects upon while imprisoned
@@Thatoneguy48147 which is even more cruel I'm sorry my guy I can't with theon I will always try to find the best in people and give them benefit of the doubt but I just can't with theon
@@jordanford9320 fair enough. But my theory still holds that Theon will get a worse fate than Ramsay is gonna get
Theon’s story in the books is the saddest for me. He shamefully betrayed the Stark’s and his own conscience. Living as Reek is worse than dying with the Stark’s would have been. But there is some hope of redemption at the end. I’m nervous that Ramsay will catch him again.
Not to mention falsely believing he would be welcomed back in the iron isles as a prince and basically being dismissed... when he betrayed the Starks to earn their respect. His story line is ridiculous.
@@laurabishop7588 Theon was essentially just a boy wanting to earn the love of his father whom he hasn't seen in over a decade. He tried to fit in with the iron born by being ruthless and betrayed the Stark.
@@SCL111 Tellimg in itself, because he wasn't as ruthless as he pretended to be. He took Winterfell, but let Bran and Rickon live. He really was a BOY. It explains so much about his mentality.
I hated Theon when he betrayed Rob but during the torture through Ramsey I just felt sorry for him😭
It isn't just hinted. On Ramsay's wedding night, Theon was made to do more than just watch.
Yeah, he was made to "prepare" Jeyne (Or Arya)
I thought that moment was to also bring up that Ramsay flayed and then cut off his penis too.
Theon never contemplates the loss of that in any other moment than that one
That's what time with a Bolton will do to someone.
He can use a bow. He kept the bow fingers on his main hand. That's why people think Theon will kill Ramsey with a bow
Theon is one of the best written characters in asoiaf. People just start hating him after he betrays Robb and decides to try being awful at Winterfell, without trying to understand him and why he decided to act like that. As a reader is simple to just sit down and judge him, but as a persom who lives in that world, grew up with the Stark knowing that he would have never been one of them and also never been a real Greyjoy, is not to simple to take the right decision. Theon desperately wanted a place in that world, and people to call family. He thought that there was still a chance to gain his father approval, and showing hinself worthy of the name Greyjoy. And he betrayed Robb for this, repeating himself he always was a prisoner, a hostage for the Stark. When he realized what he had done it was too late, and the punishment he suffered because of his actions is atrocious.
And just before all this mess, Theon really considered to give up on Winterfell and wear black...
All he had to do was swallow his pride and ride with his men and Asha back to Deepwood Motte, as she told him.
Theon was a confused kid who was split between trying to make his father proud and loving the Stark’s for being like a family to him. He regretted what he did to winterfell. He may not have been a great guy but he didn’t deserve any of this
Agree❤ I miss my sweet Iron Prince
To feel such empathy for a fictional character, I truly empathize with anyone that has truly been in Theon’s position irl. Mind, spirit and body fractured and broken. So much time taken. Here is a fate worse than death.
Reading Theon's ADWD chapters made me sick. So dark but so well written
Was the best parts of the book
He can still use a bow and hood a dagger. It’s stated in the books that Ramsey did this intentionally.
Theon would suffer for years until Babba Yaga would come to finish him off....
Bruh
Just imagine Alfie Allen looks like the Theon in the books
Medieval torture was brutal man. Being implied while alive and left to slide down a pole for days sounds like hell
theon's story is one of the most traumatizing part of the series.
Ramsey got his just due in the end… except for the fact that his death was far too quick. Theon was no Angel, but what Ramsey did was unspeakable
In the books, he’s still doing just fine unfortunately. The only person who was ready to stand up to him was Jon and then the Night Watch killed him for it
@@lindsay9838Stannis the mannis can still beat his ass
There are actually people who unironically ship it, which is wild af.
That's actually really sad. I feel bad for people like that
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@@JackieBOYoBOYwhat does ship mean
@@Frodo1000000 it's where you pair two fictional characters in a non canon romantic relationship
Alfie Allen was robbed from his earned Emmy awards!
Alfie and Lena both should’ve won at some point for sure. Peter Dinklage is of course very talented but it felt like they just gave him the award every year because Tyrion was a beloved character.
Theon's torture in books is brutal. They couldn't show any of it in the show.
Why not? They showed be headings and other gruesome content.
@@tonshmarBeheadings are tame. Theon in the books went through something so horrible no program would ever be allowed to show it. It's at the same level of outrage as showing the rape of small children. Some things are so inhumane to look at that society would rather close its eyes to it rather than confronting the cruelty of the world.
@@icebox1954except they did show rape, and specifically the rape of children in the show (sansa, she was underage so yes, she was a child). A completely pointless scene that wasn't even in the books. Sure wonder why that's where they decided to draw the line at what is "too much"
We don’t actually see any of the torture Theon goes through in the books. He disappears for a book, and then returns as reek. It’s all just implied or alluded to, never shown directly
@@tonshmarDepictions of extreme torture and sadism isn’t what many companies want to put out. Even if it’s a super adult program you’re essentially making your audience watch cartel level torture.
He's comeback gonna be crazy, a reoccurring theme in ASOIAF is characters losing their best tools and being forced to get out of their comfort zone, for Jaime it was being a Great swordsman and he had to become cunning and for Theon it's his Charms and way of thinking, i cannot say however how GRRM would write him after he overcomes his Reek stage.
Past-E is something you eat.
Paste-E is when someone is lacking colour in their cheeks.
It’s an AI no point in correcting it
It's like Ramsay was MADE for House Bolton. Him getting legitimized was horrifically perfect. I can't imagine a more greater match between temperament and sigil.
This Karma was disproportionate.
Not when you factor in. He had two innocent children murdered
@@jordanford9320that’s like the biggest factor, nobody is forgetting it. But do you think murdering someone else or two is worth ten lifetimes of suffering that nobody could even imagine? Up to you to decide.
@@ogiebear8484 ask the two dead kids (possibly theons bastards)
@@ogiebear8484Thing here is, kinslaying is a big no no in Westeros. It's implied that the miller's kids are his, and when he killed them, you can bet that even the Drowned God is disgusted with him.
@@ogiebear8484 Yes. Evil must be punished in the harshest terms.
No one outside that cursed isle knows how much a “stone” is
Jeez who hurt you?
Lol
Jealous ?
Not going to lie but I think even Ramsay dogs have their way with Theon it was hinted in the book
Where ?
@@stormbringer2840 it was a long time ago when I read it but Theon was sleeping with the dogs in their cages and he mentioned one of them was very rough
It wouldn't be the least bit surprising to think that Ramsey SAed Theon, he's just that depraved.
I missed that bit
@@CarolDowning-lm7fmHe did either way, because if I remember correctly, Theo was involved in Ramsays Wedding night to perform acts on Jayne Pool. The latter has to act as a fake Arya and also has to perform acts with Ramsays dogs...
I be dead before he even started to torture me
How?
@@tonysmith5566by pressing alt then f4
Ramsey is trying to make the next Griffith 😂
If Theon founds a Behelit in TWOW, it's game damn over!
Except you have to sacrifice what’s dearest to you in order to become a demon. Ramsay seemingly holds nothing dear
That lighthearted “anyway subscribe for more” after all that caught me a bit off guard
I recall that all his (remaining) teeth are shattered so that eating causes agony, but it has been years since I read
Yeah
What are the odds that somehow theon will meet euron greyjoy and be reborn after a blood magic sacrifice just like griffith?
Low. Euron is leagues away. Far far away in the south. And Stannis isn't going to let Theon get away, unless someone escapes with him (Asha?)
What is dead may never die
Didn’t mention the castration
That happened in the books,too?
We don’t know if book Theon was castrated
@@lindsay9838
It isn't even implied?
@@terminallove3531I’m pretty sure it’s implied, just not outright stated, so can’t be sure
@@terminallove3531 Maybe🤷🏼♀️? You could assume, I guess, since he’s lost so much else. Never really ever talked about though. But Roose wanted him “whole”, even as a hostage, because Theon is basically worthless to the Iron Islands king if he can’t produce heirs, which makes him a worthless bargaining chip for Roose if it’s ever needed. Also, here’s part of Theon’s thoughts when a woman sits down in front of him during a feast and is annoying him:
“He wanted to hit her, to smash that mocking smile off her face. He wanted to kiss her, to fuck her right there on the table and make her cry his name. But he knew **he dare not touch her, in anger or in lust**. Reek, Reek, my name is Reek. I must not forget my name. He jerked to his feet and made his way wordlessly to the doors, limping on his maimed feet.”
He wants to bang that woman but knows he’ll pay the price if he even touches her so he removes himself from the situation. Seems to imply there ARE still some organs down there
He had a fate far worse than death
Peng is like the mirrored version of Bkc they’re so polite but they disagree on a bunch
Ok, we really need to start asking wtf with Martin.
For all the characters who didn’t get pusnished enough in those books, Theon was the only one I thought got punished to much. I mean ya he deserved to be punished but holy crap that was above and beyond what he deserved. Those chapters were painful to read. Bolton was a sick MFer
It was actually a torture technique that the communists in the Soviet Union used to do. The months of stress and torture on your body bleaches your hair. After months of starving and slowly wasting away to the point of being unrecognizable or even corpselike, the torturers would drag you to a mirror so you can see just how you've fallen as a final method of breaking your spirit completely.
Didn't they do that in Orwell's 1984 too?
@@DeMonfa13 yes Orwell took inspiration from the rise of both Hitler and Stalin
Is that what your capitalist overlords taught you at school mate
Proof?
@@DeMonfa13yeah, I remembered that from the movie
Damn I thought tv series Ramsey was bad. Book Ramsey was just psychotic.
Give me five reasons why house bolton shouldn't go extinct.
I only have one reason: "Domeric Bolton", the only GOOD one in his f-ed up family. It's too bad there weren't more like him, but it kind of gives them hope that good men like him could still be possible in the family. But that's it... XD
Probably the worst fate of anyone in the book
Martin is a master of shock value
“His lips look like two worms fucking”
Theon’s thoughts about Ramsey lips lol
Theon is one of if not my favorite characters up there with Vic and the Mannis.
Joffrey was a Monster but Ramsey was the devil.
When I read the people on post like these that argue that this kind of torture is an appropriate punishment for anything (torture should never be ok, it’s considered inhuman for a reason) I get seriously worried about the world we live in and the people in it.
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@@Revenant76Edgy Boy
I just read the chapter where he decided to take the black and yield to Ser Roderik. It was so sad knowing that would have been him living his best life
"Subscribe for more" I think not 💀
I always wondered what would happen if Theon and Joffrey's fate were swapped. Theon died of poisoning and Joffrey was handed over to Ramsay to become his new Reek. One of those What If scenarios.
I think sansa should have given captive ramsey to theon to decide what to do with with him.
I think Theon is too scared of Ramsay and I think Ramsay would manipulate Theon into releasing him. Not that he has anywhere to go tho
@@Random-fz2rg but didn't theon was changed around that time? Like he regained his old self ?
@@riderboyrj8017 Theon didnt come back fully. He was still like quiet and shaky and just really fearful. Its even worse in the books. His entire survival instincts are flipped
Theon has identidy crisis before he met Ramsey. An iron born raised by the Stark. He tried to earn the respect of his father and the other iron borns when he should have said F them and sided with the family that he grew up with.
Have you ever seen that photo of a guy who was in an experiment where he wasn’t able to see light for like month? well that was Theon Greyjoy.
Theon did some fucked up shit, as did a lot of the other characters in the series. He deserved punishment and the chance to atone for what he did. But this punishment was far too much.
Did Theon really give his life for Bran the Broken.
Hard to feel bad Theon after he betrayed the Starks.
“My real father lost his head in kings landing”
Feels like what Grifith endured in Beserk, but 10-fold.
great video, will you be crediting any of the artists like at all?
He gave them the Tokyo Ghoul Jason torture treatment
I’ve listened to the audiobooks at least 8 times over I can’t believe I’ve missed that. Love the books can’t wait for the next to come out.
Yeah, in 30 years
Pasty lmao
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@robinbettschnitt3823 i honestly didn't expect anyone to understand the reference i thought someone would say who the hell is glokta and i would reply will he is jaime lannister if George didn't stop at his hand basically jaime with theon's torture
@@mix-jk3ysi loved the book series nine finger and glokta beeing my favorite 2 chars😂 Re- read it about a year ago still great books
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Now hes in the true kings hands.
And i also think he will kill Ramsya with a bow while he is trying to flee.
He can still use a bow he has enough fingers.
Theon in the book suffered so much it was hard to read. His injuries were so phtsically intense, it was amazing he survived. Ramsey 💯 abused him in EVERY way. Ramsey went beyond inhuman on him. DAN & David's GOT version of Theon was so toned down.
Well if they showed the book accurate torture then half of us would be vomiting
George was really cooking with this one
He's like an evil genius
"His skin has turned pasti 🥗"
Well, at least he finally escaped sort of
In the show after Ramsey died he was all okay again which is stupid no consequences
Typical D&D, as always.
He lost his bits, so that's not nothing, and he never really recovered fully from the abuse. He just rediscovered his courage. The Fallout of Ramsey's abuse may not have been nearly as horrific, but it was far from being without consequences.
Lol no he wasn't "all OK again." Did you not see that scene where he's with his sister at a brothel in volantis? Or that scene where he's on a ship with yara and ellaria? Or that scene where euron is cutting out yara's mens tongues and theon gets shit scared and jumps in the water? If anything they emphasised his trauma too much. Once he was free of ramsay he should have grown his metaphorical balls back quicker. Of course he was mostly fine for season 8, but in season 6 and 7 he was still reek, just reek who calls himself theon.
He also called him "my sweet Reek" before hugging and kissing him on the cheek. Plus he wanted to put Theon in a princess dress, so Ramsay wasnt that evil after all.
😂
Bruh what?!
😂😂😂😂
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It's either a troll post or a delusional post. Either way, wrong take.
1 stone = 14 pounds
Betray the starks.... that's your punishment
He's a Greyjoy, not a Stark. Who cares if he "betrayed" them? The world doesn't revolve around them. GRRM would sooner have his darling Blackwoods rule the world than the Starks anyway.
Damn right.
"My name is Reek, it rhymes with meek"
My skin turned steak bake
Ive never heard someone pronounce pasty like that
It's not hinted at all. It's spelled out in great detail.
Ramsey was def gay in the books and def SA theon
Im curious in the show I think I remember ramsay flaying one of his fingers but I can't remember if he lost all the fingers that had been lost in the books
The difference between Joffrey and Ramsay is the difference between Lawful Evil and Chaotic Evil.
In the show they just made it look like he got in a really bad horse accident or something. Always bothered me that they didn't go full out on his look from the books.
Living with the starks wasn't so bad after all was it Theon?
😆 🤣 😂
He took Winterfell because he wanted to compete against his sister for his birthright to the ironborn throne.
He had it coming for his betrayal of the warrior king of the north😂
The Theon stuff is just sick.
Reminds me of Aerys in Duskendale
With Theon with Rob Stark instead of the Greyjoys and eventually the Bolton's, Rob could've easily defeated the Lannisters, made peace with Stannis, and made a deal with the Tyrells. His betrayal lead to so much worse for all of king's landing and westeros. He finally had power, real power and respect from the starks and he used it to break House Stark and make everyone's life on the continent worse for it. That being said, he should've been executed instead of this treatment.
I don't think Robb would have been able to make peace with Stannis unless Robb bent the knee and swore fealty to Stannis. Because the Mannis is just uncompromising in his decisions. It's his way or no way at all.
@@philippeblais8594could've been another Dorn situation, where they were kind of vassals of the IT, but still autonomous
@@bitterfox518 Nope. Stannis does not bargain. His way, or the pyre.
Lmao no. If theon was with robb, robb would have eventually lost. Once the tyrells joined the lannisters, that was the match set. Everything after that was a dead king walking.
Stupid ironborn squid
Sickening just to read this. Martin's mind is....somehow troubled.😢
"sexually abused"?? The book is clear that it was much worse than that. The TV show goes farther than the books, which is one of the worst things about it.
What's crazy is that most people would be happy that Ramsey tortured him because he betrayed the Starks, but I haven't really seen anyone happy that he got tortured.
A lot of people are of the idea that Theon somewhat deserves this fate for his betrayal against House Stark. But, keep in mind, not even the Starks, the betrayed party, would have punished Theon as grotesquely as this.
So Theon is like a discount version of Griffith then?
The way you said pasty. Is he turned into somebodies lunch?
did George take notes from berserk? Yeesh!